Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is Sin Inherited But Salvation Isn't? by sonmvayina(op): 12:54pm On Apr 08, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: How much of scripture is based on "eye witness" accounts?  You'd have to ask the Catholic Church about that. What I know instead is that All Knowledge, be it of Good or of Evil, belongs to God, and so is all inspired by Him.  Given that the Jewish scriptures do in fact speak of the coming of a New Covenant and that Jesus Christ arrived a the New Covenant initially with a mission to only the lost sheep of Israel, and then upon His resurrection, to all of the worlds, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure the New a continuation of the old stories.  So why are you wasting your life on it...the best any one can do is use it as a guide...not worship a man as god. The new convenant is God making his laws easy for us to obey. He never said somebody was coming to die for sins. The messiah is an ordinary man like you and me, with father and mother...not a demi god... |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is Sin Inherited But Salvation Isn't? by sonmvayina(op): 9:40pm On Apr 07, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: Maybe you should ask better questions then.  Ovbiously, the gospels are not eye winess account. And the fact is nobody really knows who wrote them. Where did the catholic church get the idea thst they are inspired and that it is what God wanted when no such idea emanated from the jewish bible ? Why did they add it at the back of the jewish scriptures? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is Sin Inherited But Salvation Isn't? by sonmvayina(op): 9:09pm On Apr 07, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: Read again... what I posted in response to your earlier post... What is wrong with that as far as convictions go?  Shallow and hollow... |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is Sin Inherited But Salvation Isn't? by sonmvayina(op): 8:19pm On Apr 07, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: You already pointed out in your previous comment that you are indeed aware of what God said of His New Covenant through His prophets, so why do you need me to give you what you already have?  And since you already conclude that Jesus is not the New Covenant, how do you intend to show that any of what I have stated so far about the New Covenant experience is untrue?  I just.want to understand what your.convictions are....maybe there is something i have missed. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Man Is The Rib Of The Woman by sonmvayina(m): 8:15pm On Apr 07, 2021 |
These stories where all written by men. So trust them, if there is one thing men are good at, it is to lie....so one will normally take this stories with a pinch of salt...
The word Adam is from the root word meaning "taken from the ground?. Showing that Man is God spirit + dust of the earth. Eve means woman which simply means taken from man...
Some other cultures have the woman created first.....
But the message in the jewish story is that a man needs a woman to be complete. That is why men are commanded to get married, women come already complete. Hence they are not oblirged to get married. And if you are seeking a female life partner, you should look out for her inner attributes and not superficial like big boobs, big ass or hips or legs. But you should be drawn to her inner beauty...
My 2 cents.. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is Sin Inherited But Salvation Isn't? by sonmvayina(op): 8:00pm On Apr 07, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: I referenced some of the books from where you can find the claims I made, did I not?  Genesis, Deuteronomy, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jeremiah.... 
As for God writing His laws in our hearts, that is exactly what is the New Covenant... His law is written, by His Spirit, in the heart of those who belong to Him, this a departure from the Old Covenant way where God had individuals teach their neighbors, children, etcetera, about God and His laws. God set Himself up as one and only Teacher, Shepherd, Master, etc... over His flock in this case, just as He declared through His prophets.  Show me specific chapters and verses...lets analyse them together.. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is Sin Inherited But Salvation Isn't? by sonmvayina(op): 7:58pm On Apr 07, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: I referenced some of the books from where you can find the claims I made, did I not?  Genesis, Deuteronomy, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jeremiah.... 
As for God writing His laws in our hearts, that is exactly what is the New Covenant... His law is written, by His Spirit, in the heart of those who belong to Him, this a departure from the Old Covenant way where God had individuals teach their neighbors, children, etcetera, about God and His laws. God set Himself up as one and only Teacher, Shepherd, Master, etc... over His flock in this case, just as He declared through His prophets.  I still cant see the importance of jesus, the prophet where all teaching Gods laws already. For you to still teach people about it means the new convenant has not been established.. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is Sin Inherited But Salvation Isn't? by sonmvayina(op): 7:55pm On Apr 07, 2021 |
GeneralDae: I wonder what belief in Jesus mean to some Christians. I used to think if someone takes the teachings of Jesus seriously, then he believes in Jesus. Did God ever asked any one to believe in another man other than God himself? Will God ever share his glory with any other person or thing ? Did any prophet ever asked anybody to believe in the death of the messiah as against obeying Gods commandments? There is so many conflict between what God commanded in the jewish bible and the christian bible. Why so? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is Sin Inherited But Salvation Isn't? by sonmvayina(op): 7:48pm On Apr 07, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: God may have given your forefathers rules and commands to pass down to you, but when I arrived on the scene, the information was long lost. Instead, what was left to pass on were nothing doctrines and commandments of men, ..that which we refer to as culture and traditions,meaningless lies of men that have nothing to do with God or the things of God. 
The jews may have written God's command to them down in their Torah but you and I are not jews for us to pretend that what God gave specifically to the Jews automagically should apply in any way to us. God even made this clear in His agreement with the Jews that only those of the blood of Jacob can lay claim to any of that which He has given to them. Even the foreigners who live in the land of Canaan do not benefit as much. So, I don't why anyone who is not of the blood of Jacob, and does not live in the Canaan should pretend he/she can steal that which God has given only to His people, Israel. 
God, from the time of Abraham, promised that He would bless the nations through the seed of Abraham, and the world waited to be blessed by God too. In Deuteronomy , He promised to send another like Moses, a Law giver. Then through His prophets He declared that indeed a New Covenant was to come, like the Old Covenant but different in many ways. And that New Covenant arrived in the person of Jesus Christ to bless the Nations.  I dont see you support your opinion with old testament scriptures. So you mean you prefer the lie of the romans who created the jesus character as there is no where it was reported on such a thing happening in the old testament. The new convenant is still with the jews and it entails God writting his laws in our heart that it becomes effortless to keep. Not human sacrifice... |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is Sin Inherited But Salvation Isn't? by sonmvayina(op): 5:30pm On Apr 07, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: if there really is such a thing as an "inherited nature of sin" then surely God is not justified in His anger against Man's sins. 
The idea is foreign to scripture and so only established in the minds of men.  God gave Mankind his laws to guide them in their journey through life. The same laws that our forefathers passed on from generation to generation through parables, stories and proverbs. The jews wrote their down and called it the torah. From time to time God raised prophet to warn the people when the evil in the land was getting out of hand. .He enjoins men to forsake their evil ways and atone for their sins some with animal sacrifice and some with other farm produce. All of a sudden the jesus chatacter is introduced to man. My question to you specifically is what is the purpose of the jesus character and of what importance is he to God or to man. So give me old testament quotes that says the gentiles are to believe in the "son of God" in other to gain salvation... |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Easter A Pagan Holiday? by sonmvayina(m): 5:16pm On Apr 07, 2021 |
Easter is derived from ishtar, the goddess of love and war. She is lucifer, also known as inanna, aphrodite, venus, kali and mary the mother of jesus..
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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is Sin Inherited But Salvation Isn't? by sonmvayina(op): 3:51pm On Apr 07, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: So from whom did Adam, your "Son of God", inherit the "nature to commit sin" from? 
Why was Abel, Adam's son, able to beat this "nature to commit sin"? Dont mind him... So what is your own opinion..? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is Sin Inherited But Salvation Isn't? by sonmvayina(op): 10:29am On Apr 07, 2021 |
More attempt at the question is still being expected. .
What some people like MaxinDhouse are scared to accept and acknowledge is the fact that God created everything in twos. It is called the principles of duality. It does not mean that there is a seperate God for light and another for darkness. There is only one God and one power. That is why it is called a universe.
Whether life or death, they are both created by God and he has placed both in front of us. We are expected to choose. Life is a choice, just as death is a choice. Both are the same thing. As we are spiritual beings. The only difference is a change of world. In other for us to have a fulfilled life and more purposeful life, God gave humanity his laws to guide us in the journey. Sin is simply a missing of the mark. Like for example, we know how bad and disgusting to insult our parents, but due to a moment of weakness we insult and dishoner them, thereby breaking Gods commandments. God enjoins us to appoligise to our parents and repent and forsake our sins. He said he will forgive and remwber our sins no more. Ezekiel 18..
What we have also failed to grasp is that it is God who created us like this. With the ability to sin he did this with the intension that we learn from it and grow. So for those who think the death of a man brings salvation should think again. Sin is not transferable and salvation is neither....
Every man has to work out their own salvation. By learning Gods laws and trying to keep it.. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is Sin Inherited But Salvation Isn't? by sonmvayina(op): 9:27am On Apr 07, 2021 |
shadeyinka: Point of correction. Sin is not inherited! The nature to commit sin and the consequence of this nature is inherited.
If viruses don't spread infections, there would have been no need for antivirus!
Why is sickness natural but Hospitals aren't? Why is death inherited but living requires energy? Why does a Farm require weeding when only good seeds are planted?
Why is entropy always increasing unless deliberate effort is applied against it?
BTW, So many other things are inherited apart from your biological features! Why is the cure optional? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is Sin Inherited But Salvation Isn't? by sonmvayina(op): 9:27pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker: By inherited, we mean "Repetition" not Transfer from he who has to he who had not!
Therefore, every soul commits there own sins.
And every who commits sin would require an escape (salvation) from He Whom they have offended! Who is the "we"?.. Try and read your comment before you click submit... |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is Sin Inherited But Salvation Isn't? by sonmvayina(op): 9:26pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: God did not "give" you any solution in the Old Testament... You are not of the blood of Jacob so how can you lie to yourself that God gave you that which He instead gave to Israel?  You are not called by His name, so how can you claim Him when He does not claim you at that?  So where did the authors of the jesus tale get the idea of "son of God" atonning for the sin of gentlies? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is Sin Inherited But Salvation Isn't? by sonmvayina(op): 7:12pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: Why don't you tell them yourself... you have a mouth on you, don't you? Tell them not to come at you with that which is not even in their own bible....  There, you have a bullet there to silence them with. I quite agree with you. So what is jesus saving us from or what is the reason for the jesus character.? God in tbe old testament already gave us a solution to the problem of sin. In 2nd chronicles 7:14 "if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and confess their sins and turn away from their evil ways, i will hear from heaven and forgive their sins and heal their land "... So all that was needed is a sincere repentance. Even when sacrifice was sort, it was a female goat less than 1 year without blemish.. If you say it was for the jews only, why did the writters of the jesus tale make him come from israel?.. God laws has already given us all we need to be righteous before God? |
Christianity Etc › Why Is Sin Inherited But Salvation Isn't? by sonmvayina(op): 4:58pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
It's a market strategy... They invented the genetic disease (sin) to sell the cure (salvation). They just have to convince you that your sickness was inherited and as such you need to buy the cure. I don buy the idea of original sin..it never occured anywhere in the old testament.
Christians over to you.. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Schorlar, Proffessor Bart D. Erhman Leaves Christianity (vid) by sonmvayina(m): 12:02pm On Apr 06, 2021 |
Mikecold: can you tell me your religious beliefs let's start from there? If you understand this....you have achieved everything..
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Christianity Etc › Re: What If Jesus Did Not Resurrect? by sonmvayina(m): 11:57am On Apr 06, 2021 |
What if the story is all made up by the Romans to deceive people...stop this madness of trying to make sense of the white mans bull shit. It was never written to make sense, it was written to be believed without questioning...
Whether 1 jesus died or 1000 + it has got nothing to do with the creator of heaven and earth.. He never ordered or condoned human sacrifice or somebody dying for the sin of another.
So everything about christianity is all paganism rebranded.. |
Christianity Etc › Re: End-time Bible Teaching: Preparing For Rapture, Part 2 (washing Your Garment) by sonmvayina(m): 6:48pm On Apr 05, 2021 |
This is actually delusional..
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Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Didn't Come For The Sinners But To Call Sinners To Repentance by sonmvayina(m): 6:46pm On Apr 05, 2021 |
The Torah already gave us the opportunity to be righteous....
Maybe the father of "jesus" and the God of the Tanakh are two different gods..
He would have known., well the writters of the jesus myths are not jews. They are Greeks who have no knowledge of God or his laws or the judaism.. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Exist Why Does He Delay by sonmvayina(m): 6:35pm On Apr 05, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: I don't have time for what i can see from all indication that is nonsense. For your information, it's after you've convinced a right thinking person that he/she will consider going further with you. Since i've know you on NL there is nothing sensible that you've ever said before, so what is it that could move me to waste my data on those teaching you?  Let me enlighten you a bit! I am one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES today not because they show me any video but they came to my house and beat my intelligence with their teachings that's why i decided to know more from those teaching them. But from all indication there is no sense in you definitely those teaching you have nothing to offer!  So you got initiated into a cult. Odikwa nu risky. .do they even count jehovah witness as part of christianity?...i dont think so... When you grow up, and have sense like me....you will undetstand what i know and believe. And you will appreciate me....and ask to drink in the fountain of my knowledge...i will surely oblidge you.... |
Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Exist Why Does He Delay by sonmvayina(m): 4:44pm On Apr 05, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Me, watch video, shebi you don watch am tire wetin dey your head pass confusion? Abeg go and meet Nnamdi Kanu he needs boys to fight for him joh!  Lol..are you scared of getting sense? You should not be scared... |
Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Exist Why Does He Delay by sonmvayina(m): 4:30pm On Apr 05, 2021 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: What If Jesus Did Not Resurrect? by sonmvayina(m): 4:28pm On Apr 05, 2021 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Exist Why Does He Delay by sonmvayina(m): 4:08pm On Apr 05, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: I'm OK Sir i don't need reincarnation!  Lol...This earth don tire you?.. Wahala, no dey......just sleep with your ancestors.. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Exist Why Does He Delay by sonmvayina(m): 4:05pm On Apr 05, 2021 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Exist Why Does He Delay by sonmvayina(m): 3:59pm On Apr 05, 2021 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Ozo Title And Christianity by sonmvayina(m): 2:57pm On Apr 05, 2021 |
My Dad is also an Ozo title holder....i definately will take when i meet all the criteria. Your kinsmen want to elevate you. You are talking about a dead jew you read in a book that the people who came to enslave your ancestors gave you...
I pray for the day, foolishness and white mans bull shit will end in our land.. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Exist Why Does He Delay by sonmvayina(m): 2:46pm On Apr 05, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Of course He only knows about those who are striving to draw closer to Him, He doesn't know all other things happening on planet earth and there is a reason for that!  Lol. Because you have the wrong idea of the creator. You will always fall at every huddle.... So to admit that God is responsible for whatever happens, is proving difficult for you. So you guy created the devil as the fall guy... Sound leggit.. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Created The Devil? by sonmvayina(m): 2:39pm On Apr 05, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: GREAT! Since those two cities were burnt to ashes there is no evidence to prove they existed, and the book mentioned them and reason why we can't find them again today. But the point is clear from the recorded event that God doesn't know all the things that's happening on the surface of the Earth!  You are really a moroon...are we talking about man or The creator of heaven and earth? |