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Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People To Be Homosexuals, Transgender, Pedophiles, Non Binary Etc by Steep(op): 2:17pm On Dec 08, 2022
AndroidAI:
There is no one answer to this question, as people have different beliefs about God and the nature of sexuality. Some people believe that God created all people as they are, including those who are homosexual, transgender, or non-binary. Others believe that God does not create people with these identities, but that they are a result of other factors, such as genetics, upbringing, or personal choice. Still others believe that God does not exist, and that the concept of God is a human invention.

Ultimately, what matters is how we treat each other, regardless of our beliefs about God or sexuality. Everyone deserves to be treated with dignity and respect, and to be free from discrimination and violence. It's important to remember that people with different sexual orientations, gender identities, and beliefs are just as valuable and deserving of love and acceptance as anyone else.
sexuality is not a belief. You don't belief you are a man or woman.
Telling you the truth is not hate but love neither is it violence.
Jesus came to save men's this is only possible if they know the truth.

Jesus is a real historical figure and Christianity is founded on this man who is real not false religions that are based on human imaginations.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People To Be Homosexuals, Transgender, Pedophiles, Non Binary Etc by Steep(op): 12:40pm On Dec 08, 2022
NNTR:
Did God Create People To Be Homosexuals, Transgender, Pedophiles, Non Binary Etc

It is true that God didn't create people to be a paedophile but rather, yeah shit happens, and that's simply because of how fractured the world became after the fall from grace to grass

It is the same the God that created Judah, created Tamar, created Rahab, created king David and Bathsheba, who created everyone human being, and allowed them to exist and behave according to their nature

Homosexuals, Transgender, Non Binary et cetera shouldn't necessarily be anyone's bugbear, however being and having paedophiles should.

God uses, for His purpose, the foolish things of the world, to shame, those who think in their eyes, they are wise (i.e. like on this thread, shame, to reveal OP's ignorance), and God selects for His purpose, the weak things of the world to shame those who think they are powerful and strong (i.e. uses it to reveal their self righteousness, reveal how shallow in thinking some posters are)

Go educate yourself on epigenetics. Quit publicly displaying your ignorance and arrogantly showing your poor biblical literacy

Is it immoral to love one person, one human being for life?

Yes, fidelity, whatsoever the relationship one finds oneself in, matters.

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Homosexuality is vile, unseemly, an error.

God never created anything vile or unseemly.

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Nothing impure, vile unseemly will enter into God's kingdom.

Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

#Jesus is not a story teller, theology is the teachings about God and his way#
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People To Be Homosexuals, Transgender, Pedophiles, Non Binary Etc by Steep(op): 12:30pm On Dec 08, 2022
Maynman:
First, you have to answer what Paul means by “For this cause…” in verse 26. What “cause”?

Read what Paul wrote in the preceeding verses, what was the “reason" and does it apply to any LGBT people today, or ever?

Rom 1:22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools,

Rom 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Rom 1:24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,

Rom 1:25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

Paul is writing about idol worship, “images of mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things,” and the temple prostitution that existed in his culture, his society, not Gay and Lesbian people today, or ever. Not transgender people, who we are only beginning to understand
there is no word in ancient Hebrew or Greek for homosexuality;
. Not the variety of normal (not immoral) sexual orientation that we experience.

Any sexual expression can become immoral. The porn sites are full of heterosexual sexual immorality.



Leviticus says not to eat shellfish (Lev. 11:9-12), use mixed seed or fabrics (Lev. 19:19), harvest the corners of fields (Lev. 19:9), It also has something to say about not cutting your hair or your beard. In fact the bible says a lot of things most of us would find abhorrent.

Also, Leviticus 1:2 says, “Tell the children of Israel . . . .” That means the whole book only applies to Jews.



Note the conspicuous absence of any reference or allusion to homosexuality or sex in general?
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People To Be Homosexuals, Transgender, Pedophiles, Non Binary Etc by Steep(op): 9:32pm On Dec 07, 2022
Maynman:
31. without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful.
Is it part of “unrighteousness” too?

Note the conspicuous absence of any reference or allusion to homosexuality or sex in general?
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Not convent/improper/unseemly.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People To Be Homosexuals, Transgender, Pedophiles, Non Binary Etc by Steep(op): 8:38pm On Dec 07, 2022
Maynman:
First, you have to answer what Paul means by “For this reason…” in verse 26. What “reason?”

Also, “those who practice such things deserve death” is in Verse 32, and the “such things” that deserve death are:

29. … all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful;

Note the conspicuous absence of any reference or allusion to homosexuality or sex in general.huh
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People To Be Homosexuals, Transgender, Pedophiles, Non Binary Etc by Steep(op): 7:09pm On Dec 07, 2022
Maynman:
No where in your verses said anything about Homosexuals, Transgender, Non Binary.

Not to forget all the virgins your god said they should rape in the tanakh.
Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People To Be Homosexuals, Transgender, Pedophiles, Non Binary Etc by Steep(op): 6:55pm On Dec 07, 2022
The solution to this is to turn to Jesus.

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

No matter the rebellius heart, no matter the sin,
God can wipe away the sin, the wickedness give a new heart.

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People To Be Homosexuals, Transgender, Pedophiles, Non Binary Etc by Steep(op): 6:47pm On Dec 07, 2022
In the days of Noah God abandon the people of Noah days before destroying them.

Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Christianity Etc › Did God Create People To Be Homosexuals, Transgender, Pedophiles, Non Binary Etc by Steep(op): 6:41pm On Dec 07, 2022
No God didn't create people to be these things but rather.

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.


These things are a product of rejecting God's truth.

This is a very clear description of this post modern world.

They are unthankful, rejects the truth of God to embrace lies such as evolution, and other strange ideologies, rejecting God's order for families and society because they think they are wise or civilized or evolved better.

In stead to worshipping and glorifying God they glorify human being, human institutions, ideologies of men, science and technology, governments,etc


The result is ,God also would abandon them to do foolish things.

So the foolish things that are pooping up every day is a sign of God giving up people to do it.

Take note morality does not originate from humans but from God.

Proverbs 1:24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;

1:25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

1:26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

1:27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

1:28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

1:29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
Christianity Etc › Re: the Bible says both body and soul will go to hell and heaven by Steep(m):
smadas:
If only the soul goes to hell or heaven, why did Jesus say in the Bible"don't fearthose that can kill the body but not the soul, but fear he who can destroy both body and soul in hell" here Jesus is inferring that both body and soul will go to hell. From this, we can say that in heaven and hell, both body and soul will be together.
when a sinner dies his soul is cast into hell but he would be resurrected body soul and Spirit in tact on the day of judgment where he would be judged and cast in to the lake of fire.
Christianity Etc › Re: I Confused About This by Steep(m): 10:32pm On Dec 05, 2022
smadas:
If holy spirit is God, why does it need to search the mind of God. It means that they different persons.
yes the Holy Spirit is a different person from God the Father.
Most times the word " God" is used in reference to the Father.

The mind of the Spirit is God's mind
The mind of the father is God's mind
And the mind of the Son is God's mind.
Because they are distinct persons God the father could search the mind of the Spirit and vice versa because the Spirit could reveal the mind of the Father and same with Jesus the Son.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus Weeping For People In Hell? by Steep(op): 8:07pm On Dec 05, 2022
God is a just and holy God all his Judgments are righteous and true.
Christianity Etc › Re: Trinity Is Not Biblical by Steep(m): 7:55pm On Dec 05, 2022
Aemmyjah:
I'm not
Nowhere in the scriptures refer to Jesus Christ as God
Nowhere in the scriptures present the holy spirit as God

How does Matthew 28:19: support Trinity

Remember that it did not say, God the father, God the son, God the HOLY SPIRIT
But Jesus is God John 1 vv1

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Holy Ghost was described as a person whom the father will send to teach.



The holy Spirit has a mind of his own

Romans 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God..

The holy ghost speak too

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

The Lord was distinguish from his Spirit both send someone.


The Hily Spirit is God, he is a person,
Jesus is the word of the Son he is a person and he is God
And The father is a person and he is God.
This is the Trinity.
Christianity Etc › Re: In What Way(s) Are The Days Of The Son Of Man Like The Days Of Noe And The Days by Steep(op): 7:44pm On Dec 05, 2022
Aemmyjah:
Exactly
They say God was so wicked to wipe out men
They did not see that it was men who were wicked
A landlord has every right to evict a bad tenant from his house and who can blame him
If Jehovah chose to wipe out wickedness from the earth he made, who who blame him?
They will not see the account of Jonah and Nineveh where Jonah was mad that God showed them mercy

They scoff that the wicked will be destroyed but they listen to scientific warnings of a global destruction by either nuclear 'armageddon' or environmental armageddon
Science now says concerning the global climate change that it can affect the water bodies and large portion of inhabited land will be covered with water. They blame recent flooding on climate change caused by man's recklessness
If humans can cause harm to his environment to the danger of wiping out all life, how foolish to think that the Creator himself cannot bring about a global flooding
like the tower of babel they want to Create a world outside God under the banner of humanity and common sense or science.
They claim man is evolving that elightenment is the answer, meanwhile humanity is denegerating as the human beings gets elightenment.

The holy Bible said men love darkness rather than light because their works are evil.

And also the left the creator to serve the created.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.


Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Christianity Etc › Re: Trinity Is Not Biblical by Steep(m): 7:36pm On Dec 05, 2022
Aemmyjah:
Neither was or is he divided in three persons
He is unique as God, has no equal and everyone is under him
You are contradicting yourself.

Are these below not your own words

Aemmyjah:


Nice

Note what Jesus said and note that the use of the word 'and the' showing separation or three distinctions

Trinity simple meaning is this: the father is God, the son is God, the holy spirit is God- yet there are no three Gods but only one God. All are equal and indistinct.


Matthew 28:19 does not promote trinity
@bolded is the definition of Trinity but again you contradicted yourself by claiming the bible does not support the Trinity after clearly seeing that Mathew 28 :19 is talking about the Trinity.
Christianity Etc › Re: Trinity Is Not Biblical by Steep(m): 5:01pm On Dec 05, 2022
Aemmyjah:
Prove it from the scriptures
There's only one God
who said there is more than one God?
Christianity Etc › Is Jesus Weeping For People In Hell? by Steep(op): 4:56pm On Dec 05, 2022
No, Jesus is not weeping for people in hell rather the anger of God rest upon them eternally.
These people had the opportunity to seek God, they enjoyed his goodness while they were alive, whatever situation they might have being through while alive was to drive them to seek God, the earth with all her glory is to drive men to seek God, but they rejected God and his wisdom.

No, Jesus would not weep for them but his anger would be kindled on them and on the final day of Judgment they would be cast into the lake of fire.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Don't waste God's resources by dieing in unbelief, if you die without christ you die in your sin.

Psalms 24:1 The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.

Psalms 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.


Luke 12:16 And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully:

12:17 And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits?

12:18 And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods.

12:19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.

12:20 But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?

12:21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.










Acts 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Christianity Etc › Re: Trinity Is Not Biblical by Steep(m): 4:42pm On Dec 05, 2022
Aemmyjah:
Nice

Note what Jesus said and note that the use of the word 'and the' showing separation or three distinctions

Trinity simple meaning is this: the father is God, the son is God, the holy spirit is God- yet there are no three Gods but only one God. All are equal and indistinct.

Matthew 28:19 does not promote trinity
@ bolded that is what Trinity means.
Trinity is not tritheism.
Trinity means one God in three persons or three persons in one God.
Christianity Etc › Re: In What Way(s) Are The Days Of The Son Of Man Like The Days Of Noe And The Days by Steep(op):
Aemmyjah:
Today, people don't care about God
They follow what is trending and bring pleasures to them
Many are hypocritical
Evolution theory has promoted lack of love for God
Many scoff at the idea or God or that we are in the last days
They say that our father's had been hearing the message of judgment on the earth but that is another fulfillment of prophecies in the time of the end
Like those in Noah's day, despite seeing all the signs, they won't accept righteousness until it becomes late for them
Trend and pleasure seeking rather than seeking the kingdom of God and its righteousness.
Christianity Etc › In What Way(s) Are The Days Of The Son Of Man Like The Days Of Noe And The Days by Steep(op): 3:37pm On Dec 05, 2022
Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.


Luke 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.


17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


They they ignored the word of preachers and continue their usual life activities.
1.Marrying
2.Eating and drinking
3 . Commercial activities

There was a total disregard for God and his warning.

They continued their life activities without repentance.

Today, it is even worse,
Jesus the Son of God literally came to this earth many people do not even deem it worthy to know why the Son of God came neither would they give his message and that of his apostles a listening, they claim they are wiser evolved better, more educated and stronger, and so do not need any archaic book or preachers who they call all manner of unprintable names.

In Noah's and lot's days destruction came unexpectedly so also in the days of the Son of man.

The Lord calls for repentance and for all to believe in the Lord Jesus for our salvation so that we could get forgiveness of sin deliverance on that day.

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
Christianity Etc › Re: What I Was Offered By An Occultist While Preaching In A Bus Park by Steep(m): 12:38pm On Dec 04, 2022
jesusjnr is not a Christian. Beware of this Satanist.

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Are The “realistic “ Benefits Of Being A Christian Instead Of Irreligious? by Steep(m):
Workch:
When I mean benefits, I mean measurable benefits and not some sort of claims that cannot be verified?

What benefits do you Christian gain that irreligious people can’t?

Can you articulate those benefits for us?
of what use is this?
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Klaus Schwab The Antichrist? by Steep(m): 9:31pm On Nov 26, 2022
He is an antichrist just as mohammed was an anti christ and many more but not the anti christ.

Anybody who deny that Jesus is come in the flesh or that Jesus is the Christ is an antichrist.
Christianity Etc › Re: Historical Inaccuracies In The Quran by Steep(m): 9:00pm On Nov 26, 2022
The Koran is rubbish.
Celebrities › Re: Irene Cara Dies Aged 63 by Steep(m): 6:56pm On Nov 26, 2022
Psalms 103:15 As for man, his days are as grass: as a flower of the field, so he flourisheth.

103:16 For the wind passeth over it, and it is gone; and the place thereof shall know it no more.


Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Was The Prophet Like Moses: Jesus Or Muhammad? by Steep(m): 8:39pm On Nov 24, 2022
Definitely it is Jesus.
Christianity Etc › Re: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Pretribulation Rapture Departure Or Apostasy From The Faith? by Steep(m): 8:46pm On Nov 23, 2022
Yes there would be a great fall away or apostasy before the antichrist surfaces, this fall away is already casting her shadow.
The rapture will then take place giving room for the antichrist to surface.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Didn't Die for Anyone's Sin nor to save everyone from sin by Steep(m): 7:07am On Nov 22, 2022
sonmvayina:
Read a better translation.
translation again confirms that the suffering servant was a sacrifice for sin.
You have no excuse.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Didn't Die for Anyone's Sin nor to save everyone from sin by Steep(m): 7:05am On Nov 22, 2022
AntiChristian:
You said Jesus is the servant of God Isaiah was talking about but Jesus was not called servant throughout his biblical life!
Yes Jesus was a servant of God, I didn't tell you Jesus said he was a servant of God.
@ bold but Jesus was called a prophet was he not? And is a prophet not a servant of God?
Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Bible God's Word? Why The Contradictions? by Steep(m): 6:03pm On Nov 21, 2022
After abandoning the former threads he opened another one that would be bursted.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Didn't Die for Anyone's Sin nor to save everyone from sin by Steep(m): 5:25pm On Nov 21, 2022
AntiChristian:
That means Jesus never called himself a servant of God in the Bible, so you are a liar!
Where did I essay Jesus called himself a servant of God? Moses never called himself a servant of God also.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Didn't Die for Anyone's Sin nor to save everyone from sin by Steep(m): 5:01pm On Nov 21, 2022
AntiChristian:
I am not a Bible reader! Jesus never wrote one verse of the Bible. Most of the Bible verses were written by some third person!
Since you are not a bible reader why saying what you have no knowledge of?

There Jessus does not need to say everything because there were prophets who wrote things concerning him.

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