MaxInDHouse: This is the dogma Satan is using to blind people {2Corinthians 4:4} because you will continue to argue (blindly) in support of this worthless and hopeless dogma yet adherents of this dogma are SCATTERED spiritually speaking! Luke 11:23 That's why you detests what Jesus himself said:
"And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be ONE, even as we are ONE" John 17:22 ~ Holy Bible
How can you claim you're ONE with other trinitarians when politics and racism is breaking the ties of faith you're claiming? Jesus and his father are separate entities but they're both ONE (united) just as you rightly said. Can anything separate Jesus and God as politics and racism is disrupting the peace among trinitarians everywhere?
For your information the major religions in Russia and Ukraine are trinitarians claiming Christians yet they're killing one another today {Revelations 6:3-4} so are you people ONE as Jesus said in that Bible book of John 17:22?
the Trinity is not a dogma it is there in the bible.
It does not matter what you think, the scripture is clear on the deity of Jesus, the Father and the holy Spirit.
MaxInDHouse: Ye are my WITNESSES, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Isaiah 43:10 ~ Holy Bible
The only proof of faith in God is the presence of an organized people doing God's will, if you can't identify God's congregation then there's no way you can worship God acceptably because you must worship Him (do His will) in the midst of His organized people. Hebrews 2:12; Psalms 22:22 The idea of faith in God without acknowledging His organized worshipers means lack of faith!
Israel is Yahweh's witness in old testament and Jesus is Yahweh's witness in New Testament. However Jesus said his church would be his witness.
Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Jesus never establish Jehovah witness organization, it was formed by Taze rusell. Jesus already spoke about theifs who would come after they would not go through the door but climb through the window.
John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Jehoavh witness organization is simply a theif and a robber, they claim to witness directly to Jehovah not to Jesus hence by passing the door who is Jesus Christ.
*1 Do you believe in John 14:1, according to Jesus Christ? Stick with holy scriptures, not man made distortion of holy scriptures. alias "believe in Jesus your lord and personal saviour" which you can clearly see, is different from John 14:1 & John 17:3.
*2 John 20:17, did Jesus Christ worship 3 deities? His God and Father is our God, says Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ repeated this same doctrine at Revelation 3 12, written by John
Who worship 3 deities
God the father God, Jesus is also God John 1 vv1. There is one God. So both Jesus and the father are one God but different persons. Trinitarians do not worship 3 Gods but one God however this one God is in 3 persons. The father is a distinct person from the Son. However, the roles of the father, Son and holy spirit are different.
Janosky: John 14:1 "believe in the God ,( Father of Jesus Christ) & also believe in Jesus Christ."
Also,in John 17:3,both verses spoken by Jesus Christ.
All JWs stand with John 14:1 & John 17:3.
Jws do not believe in God they only believe in their organization.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
This is the will of the father. That anyone that sees Jesus would trust in him. To believe God is to believe all that he reveals concerning Jesus and to believe is to believe what Jesus says about himself and about God his father.
SucideIsreal: Am a 29-year-old guy, who dropped out of school for no reason in 2015,tried to get me in line back but things just go from worse, I stay with my mum but things are not rosy between us that she dislikes me so much, to say the least, have tried working legit jobs, tried scamming and at the end it turns out to be from one misfortune to another, I don't smoke or drink, I turned to gamble and it has gotten me into debts that I can't even mention it here..have prayed and fast but it seems am doomed..have attempted suicide twice but I feel God failed to take my life. am depressed, and I feel darkness all around me, I know for sure it's a spiritual battle but at this point, I can't fight it alone, my life was bright a few years ago now am at risk of taking my life every morning I wake.i am not here begging for help because even people around me that can help just won't, because of reasons i don't understand..i need help or the devil might eventually win this time...please people
life is full of challenges and disappointments. Instead of trying to scam and other things why don't you learn a skill, get a job re organize yourself and get a degree. Life is not competition but must be purpose driven.
When you believe in the Lord Jesus christ as your saviour God gives you a new purpose which is in christ Jesus.
Ken4Christ: Jesus said that all power is given to him in heaven and on earth. He did not include hell.
Jesus have the keys of hell and death this means total authority over hella and death
Revelation 1 vv 18 says Jesus have the keys of hell and death meaning he has authority over hell and death.
Him having the keys of hell and death means he can determine who goes in and out based on his righteous judgment and some elements of mercy.
the key is a symbol of authority right? So Jesus has authority over hell and death. Keys means authority, when Jesus said he gives the keys of the kingdom of heaven it means the heavenly authority.
Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
It means he is given the authority of the kingdom of heaven. With this authority things can be effected in heaven. Jesus also has the key of David meaning the authority of the davidic throne belongs to Jesus. In the bible having the keys to something means total control over it. Jesus totally controls death and hell, when he died he rose because he controls death and he will raise his own when he comes.
But, once you are in hell, Satan is in charge.
Satan can be given the permission to affict just like Apostle did on two occasions when he handed people over to Satan.
was apostle Paul dead when Satan afflicted him. Satan's power only ends in this world.
purely base of speculation, oga give scriptural evidence same way jehovah witness speculate and assume things.
The fact is the idea that demons torment people in hell is purely unbiblical.
The devil does not have power over hell rather it is Jesus that has that power.
Ken4Christ: The scripture says that the thief comes to steal, kill and destroy - John 10:10. The devil is a killer.
Who afflicted Job when he was on earth? The devil of course.
So, what do you think he will do when you are in his very domain? You think he will be laughing with you.
Just as heaven is the domain of God, hell is the domain of Satan.
And by virtue of his nature which is wickedness, he will certainly torment those in hell.
If he can afflict people on earth, why won't he torment them in hell?
You have still not presented evidence that Satan is the one who torments people in hell
Where is it written that hell is the domain of Satan?
You have not presented one evidence from the bible in your assumptions. On the other hand the scriptures reveals that it is Jesus who has the power and authority over hell and death
Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
The scripture is clear that Satan's power only ends at death and he has no power beyond death. .Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
It is God that has power to kill and cast into hell.
The adamic power only ends in the physical realm and does not extend beyond it.
Ken4Christ: Your problem is unbelief. Satan is and his demons are the tormentors in hell. Hell is the present domain of Satan.
But because he is still operating with Adamic authority, the fire of hell has no power over him.
The fire that will eventually torment Satan is the Lake of Fire.
present scriptures that says that the devil is the one tormenting people in hell? Why is it hard for you? Scripture should never be jettisoned for experience.
You just gobble anything without scriptural support.
Ken4Christ: Tongues are both for personal edification and for congregational use. It is only when it is for congregational use that interpretation is required.
You can speak in tongues in church for personal edification and to God.
Even Apostle Paul said that when he speaks in tongues, he does not understand what he is saying - 1st Corinthians 14:14.
Apostle Paul didn't discourage anyone from speaking in tongues. Rather he said, ".. forbid not to speak with tongues." (1st Corinthians 14:39).
He even boasted he prays in tongues more than everyone in his days.
Nobody said Paul discourage people from speaking in tongues but there must be interpretation.
Paul said he will pray with the spirit and pray with the understanding.
Paul speak in tongues more anyone else in his days yet he said he will rather speak five words with his understanding than speaking in tongues.
1 Corinthians 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
If everybody were speaking in tongues in church will an unbeliever not say they are mad?
1 Corinthians 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
I think the mystery of iniquity is a civilization that is against God and against christ. An antichrist civilization and world order. I believe it is an anti Christian civilization. At the time of writing, this mystery has already started working. This present world order/civilization, the era of elightment has already started taking shape as at the time Paul wrote this verse.
I believe this civilization has not yet fully unfold it will fully manifest when the antichrist comes.
Ken4Christ: Chapter Six - Activity in Hell (Excerpt from Divine Revelation of Hell by Mary Baxter)
Ahead of us I could see a dim, yellow light. Jesus and I had come out of the tunnel of fear and now stood on a dirty ledge overlooking the belly of hell. As far as I could see, there was a great amount of activity going on in the center (the belly) of hell.
We stopped, and Jesus spoke. "I am going to take you through the belly of hell, and I am going to reveal many things to you. Come, follow Me." The two of us walked on. Jesus said, "Ahead are many terrors. They are not the figment of someone's imagination—but they are real. Be sure to tell your readers that demon Powers are real. Tell them also that Satan is real, and the powers of darkness are real. But tell them not to despair, for if My people which are called by My name will humble themselves and pray and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and heal their lands and their bodies. Just as surely as heaven is real—even so, hell is also real."
God wants you to know about hell, and He wants to save you from that place. God wants you to know you have a way out. That way is Jesus Christ, the Savior of your soul. Remember, only those with their names written in the Lamb's Book of Life will be saved.
We came to the first activity in the belly of hell. It was to the right of where we had entered and up on a small hill in a dark corner of hell. I remembered the words of the Lord when He said to me, "It will seem sometimes like I have left you, but I will not. Remember that I have all power in heaven and in earth. At times the evil spirits and lost souls will not see us or know we are here. Fear not. What you are about to see is real. These things are happening right now and will continue to happen until death and hell are cast into the lake of fire."
Reader, make sure your name is written in the Lamb's Book of Life. Ahead of us I could hear voices and the cries of a soul in torment. We walked up the small hill and looked over. A light filled the area, so I could see clearly. Cries like you have never thought possible were filling the air. They were the cries of a man.
"Listen to Me," said Jesus. "What you are about to see and hear is true. Take heed you ministers of the gospel, for these are faithful and true sayings. Awake, evangelists, preachers, and teachers of My Word, all of you who are called to preach the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. If you are sinning, repent or you will likewise perish."
We walked up to within fifteen feet of this activity. I saw small dark-clothed figures marching around a boxlike object. Upon closer examination, I saw that the box was a coffin and the figures marching around it were demons. It was a real coffin, and there were twelve demons marching around it. As they marched, they were chanting and laughing. Each one had a sharp spear in his hand, which he kept thrusting into the coffin through small openings that lined the outside. There was a feeling of great fear in the air, and I trembled at the sight before me.
Jesus knew my thoughts, for He said, "Child, there are many souls in torment here, and there are many different types of torment for these souls. There is greater punishment for those who once preached the gospel and went back into sin, or for those who would not obey the call of God for their lives." I heard a cry so desperate that it filled my heart with despair. "No hope, no hope!" he called. The hopeless cry came from the coffin. It was an endless wail of regret. "Oh, how awful!" I said.
"Come," said Jesus, "let's go closer." With that, He walked up to the coffin and looked inside. I followed and also looked in. It appeared that the evil spirits could not see us. A dirty-gray mist filled the inside of the coffin. It was the soul of a man. As I watched, the demons pushed their spears into the soul of the man in the coffin.
I will never forget the suffering of this soul. I cried to Jesus, "Let him out, Lord; let him out." The torment of his soul was such a terrible sight. If only he could get free. I pulled at Jesus' hand and begged Him to let the man out of the coffin.
Jesus said, "My child, peace, be still." As Jesus spoke, the man saw us. He said, "Lord, Lord, let me out. Have mercy." I looked down and saw a bloody mess. Before my eyes was a soul. Inside the soul was a human heart, and blood spurted from it. The thrusting of the spears were literally piercing his heart.
"I will serve You now, Lord." He begged, "Please let me out." I knew that this man felt every spear that pierced his heart.
"Day and night, he is tormented," the Lord said. "He was put here by Satan, and it is Satan who torments him."
The man cried, "Lord, I will now preach the true gospel. I will tell about sin and hell. But please help me out of here."
Jesus said, "This man was a preacher of the Word of God. There was a time when he served Me with all his heart and led many people to salvation. Some of his converts are still serving Me today, many years later. The lust of the flesh and the deceitfulness of riches led him astray. He let Satan gain the rule over him. He had a big church, a fine car, a large income. He began to steal from the church offerings. He began to teach lies. He spoke mostly half-lies and half-truths. He would not let Me correct him. I sent My messengers to him to tell him to repent and preach the truth, but he loved the pleasures of this life more than the life of God. He knew not to teach or preach any other doctrine except the truth as revealed in the Bible. But before he died, he said the Holy Ghost baptism was a lie and that those who claimed to have the Holy Ghost were hypocrites. He said you could be a drunkard and get to heaven, even without repentance.
"He said God would not send anyone to hell—that God was too good to do that. He caused many good people to fall from the grace of the Lord. He even said that he did not need Me, for he was like a god. He went so far as to hold seminars to teach this false doctrine. He trampled My Holy Word under his feet. Yet, I continued to love him.
"My child, it is better to have never known Me than to know Me and turn back from serving Me, said the Lord. "If only he had listened to You, Lord!" I cried.
"If only he had cared about his soul and the souls of others."
"He did not listen to Me. When I called he would not hear Me. He loved the easy life. I called and called him to repentance, but he would not come back to Me. One day he was killed and came immediately here. Now Satan torments him for having once preached My Word and saved souls for My kingdom. This is his torment."
I watched the demons as they continued to march around and around the coffin. The man's heart beat and real blood ran from it. I will never forget his cries of pain and sorrow. Jesus looked at the man in the coffin with great compassion and said, "The blood of many lost souls are upon this man's hands. Many of them are in torment here right now." With sorrowful hearts, Jesus and I walked on. As we left, I saw another group of demons coming up to the coffin They were about three feet high, dressed in black clothes, with black hoods over their faces. They were taking shifts tormenting this soul.
I thought of how pride in all of us at times makes us unwilling to admit mistakes and ask for forgiveness. We refuse to repent and humble ourselves, and we go on as if we alone were ever right. But listen, soul, hell is real. Please do not go to that place.
Then Jesus showed me a giant clock, stretched out across the whole world. And I heard it ticking. The hour hand was nearing the twelve o'clock position, and the minute hand raced around until it stopped at three minutes before twelve. Stealthily the minute hand moved toward the hour. As it moved, the ticking became louder and louder until it seemed to fill the whole earth.
God spoke like a trumpet, and His voice sounded like many waters. "Listen and hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches," He said. "Be ready, for at a time you think not, I will come again. I hear the clock striking. It is twelve o'clock. The Bridegroom has come for His bride."
Are you ready for Christ's coming, my friend? Or will you be like those who say, "Not today, Lord? Will you call upon Him and be saved? Will you give your heart to Him today? Remember, Jesus can and will save you from all evil if you call on Him today and repent. Pray for your family and your loved ones that they will come to Christ before it is too late. Listen as Jesus says, "I will protect you from evil. I will keep you in all your ways. I will save you. I will save your loved ones. Call upon Me today and live."
With many tears, I pray that all of you who read this book will realize the truth before it is too late. Hell is for eternity. I am trying to the best of my ability to reveal all I saw and heard. I know these things are true. As you read the remainder of this book, I pray that you will repent and take Jesus Christ as your personal Savior.
I heard the Lord say, "It is time to go. We shall return again tomorrow."
story about journey to hell and heaven are not the gospel.
Satan tormenting people in hell is unscriptural.
While people who are saved eventually stop sinning however it is not a requirement to be saved the only requirement is faith in Jesus plus nothing.
Ken4Christ: When Peter was sent to the household of Cornelius, the Holy Ghost fell on them and they all spoke in tongues.
They had church and Peter did not stop them.
Church is not a physical building. It is where two or three people are gathered in his name.
Are you saying that the Holy Spirit made a mistake in falling on them in a church gathering?
Acts 10:44-45 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
If you are filled with the Holy Ghost, you can both speak in tongues and also pray in tongues.
Praying in tongues is speaking to God in tongues.
Just the same way when you are praying in English, you are also speaking to God in English.
It is no problem for a new convert like Cornelius to speak in tongues for the first time without interpretation but subsequently he would need an interpreter.
The scripture is clear if you cannot interpret then keep quiet.
Read 1 Corinthians 14 1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the LORD.
14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
14:30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
14:31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
Kei144: You have written according to the extent of your knowledge. Where did the Bible teach that God took the form of a man? Everything the Bible says about man before the fall the Bible also says about Jesus Christ before he was glorified. The difference between Adam and Jesus Christ is the outcome of temptation by Satan. Adam fell from glory, whereas Jesus Christ increased in glory, so much that he could eventually sit on the throne with God.
Ps. 8:4 what is man that you are mindful of him, the son of man that you care for him? Ps. 8:5 You made him a little lower than the heavenly beings and crowned him with glory and honour.
He. 2:6 But there is a place where someone has testified: “What is man that you are mindful of him, the son of man that you care for him? He. 2:7 You made him a little lower than the angels; you crowned him with glory and honour He. 2:8 and put everything under his feet.” [Psalm 8:4-6] In putting everything under him, God left nothing that is not subject to him. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him. He. 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honour because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.
Ps. 8:4-5 talks about man (Adam). He. 2:6-8 cites what was written about man in Ps. 8:5-6. He. 2:9 now compares man (Adam) and Jesus Christ; Jesus, like Adam, was also made a little lower than angels. But for some reasons, Jesus Christ is now crowned with glory and honour. What is the reason? Is it because God came into the world in the form of Jesus Christ? Ph. 2:5-9 gives us the real reason:
Ph. 2:5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Ph. 2:6 Who, being in very nature [Or in the form of] God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, Ph. 2:7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. Ph. 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death — even death on a cross! Ph. 2:9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name.
Look at verse 6. Jesus, like Adam, was in the same form as God, because God breathed into them His Holy Spirit and they became living souls. Jesus Christ did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, as Adam and Eve tried to do in Ge. 3:4-6, after Satan deceived them. Instead, Jesus Christ humbled himself and became God's servant, even to the extent of offering himself as a sacrifice of atonement for the sins of humanity. God raised him from the dead and promoted him to a level higher than angels. We learn from Jesus Christ that the way a human being could provoke God to promote him to great spiritual height is by becoming a perfect doer of the will of God. Perfection is possible, but not easy.
Jn. 8:29 The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.”
Col. 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fulness dwell in him,
God being pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Jesus Christ is not the same as saying that God came into the world as Jesus Christ. God only so increased the anointing in Jesus Christ that Jesus Christ operated very close to the level of angels. While he was in the world, Jesus Christ was below the level of angels.
I need not to argue with you, even the scriptures you presented said Jesus was in the form of God. Any doctrine / revelation/ new light that contradicts the doctrine of the Christian church as stated in the bible is of the antichrist. The abrichrist elevates himself to the position of God, the ministers of Satan are already teaching that man can become God so that when that time comes it would seem the antichrist is right.
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Imagine the teachings that is sneaking into the churches now, teaching that anyone fathered by God is God not gods but equal with God, these men are satanic.
2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
What you are teaching is gnosticism. Gnostics believe man can become God or ascend to the level of God through some special knowledge. The bible warns against such teachings as they are spread by demons, many of these preachers and teachers who teacher these things are satanic. Many pastors and teachers teaches occultism. Ascension is taught by the occult as a way of man making himself divine.
They teach that Just only came to show man the way to become like God.
It is disgusting that many churches has adopted this abomination as a form of new light or illumination.
The bible teaches that Jesus was God who took the form of man, he was not a man who became God.
The bible records that Adam was a little lower than the angels, meaning angels are higher than man, the devil was not satisfied with his position and wanted to become like God.
Godhood is not attainable, God is God all by himself there is non like him neither can there be. It is this lust of becoming like God he projected to Eve, the result of these is that humanity became much more lower, they became like the animals.
Unlike the devil, Jesus was God but he humbled himself to take the nature of man and subject himself unto death on the cross.
The father exalted him due to his humility. Beware of false teachings!
Ken4Christ: 1st Corinthians 14:28 But IF THERE BE NO INTERPRETER, let him keep silence in the church; and let him SPEAK TO HIMSELF, AND TO GOD.
The above verse says you are permitted to speak to yourself and to God if there be no interpreter.
So, I can be in church speaking to myself and to God. And when you speak to God in tongues, it becomes prayer.
nope, tongues should not be spoken in church if there is no interpretation. Yes praying in tongues is speaking in tongues to God but for the sake of clarification set a distinction between praying in tongues and speaking in tongues to men.
Ken4Christ: If you are a Yoruba, you can should be able to speak on Yoruba and also pray in Yoruba.
When you are baptized with the Holy Spirit, the first visible sign is the unknown tongue you speak.
And if you can speak in this unknown tongue, you can also pray in it.
So, I don't understand why you are trying to make irrelevant differences between both.
They are both from the same source. And the experience is one, not two.
Read carefully they are not the same. One is speaking in tongues the other is praying in tongues.
If one should speak in tongues in the church he or she needs to interpret because speaking in tongues in the church has only one purpose and that is for communication.
1 Corinthians 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
When praying in an unknown tongue, the spirit is praying, there is absolutely no understanding however it is possible to pray with the spirit and pray with the understanding. Without understanding one cannot guide his or her prayer.
These days, it is easy to often hear that speaking in tongues is a must when one is filled with the holy ghost. However a careful study of scripture does not support such notation. There are times when the baptism of the holy ghost was accompanied with speaking of tongues while there are other times it is absent.
Take note speaking in tongues is not the same praying in tongues.
Praying in tongues is not the sign holy ghost baptism but rather speaking in tongues. But however.
Why was speaking in tongues common in the early days of the church? It was a sign to the Jewish nation that the belivers in Jesus were of God and God was judging the Jewish nation. Isaiah 28 vv 11. Speaking in tongues is not the only sign that one is of the Lord. So, what happened is that whenever a man is converted and baptized in the holy ghost the holy spirit gave them a sign, this sign is relevant to the Jewish community. Infact Jewish Christians who had reservation concerning the salvation of the gentiles gave glory to God when the gentiles spake in tongues just like them. Mind you speaking in tongues is not learnt, it is not copied, it is not a product of feeling or trying to blend in, it is spontaneous and free itself. People who does not even know what is called speaking intongues and have not heard anyone spoke all of a sudden begins to speak after laying of hand or hearing the word.
Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
From this verse verse we can count upto 5 signs here. 1 .casting out demons 2. Speaking in tongues. 3. Taking up serpents without suffering harm 4. drinking deadly things without getting harm. 5. Healing the sick.
Every true Christians must have at least one of these signs.
Paul said speaking of tongues must be accompanied by interpretation in the church. Because speaking is for communication but praying in tongues is for self edification It is the speaking of intongues that majorly accompanied the holy ghost baptism in the early church because it was a sign to the Jewish Community not praying in tongues.
englishmart: The deal was that he who knew no sin, would die as a recompense for sin. After dying to save the world, he resurrected on the third day. Didn't his resurrection invalidate the deal?
The question is did he die or not? If he died then that is the payment for sin.
For example, I hired and paid an assassin to get someone eliminated, few months later, I found out the person didn't die after all. Don't you think the deal falling through will trigger a refund?
Since he killed the person he has fulfilled his part of the bargain, whether the person later can back to life or not is never the issue.
If a mechanic repair your car and after confirming it was OK, and you spoilt it again will you say the mechanic did not repair it?
After Jesus had satisfied the father with his death he was raised.
Courz: Max and his hoodlums identify with the character of Watchtower. People join that Cult for different reasons. It is not every JW that likes truth. The ones that value Truth are the ones that wake up! The Cult also attracts Mentally unstable people. Look at the first pic below. A Psychiatrist revealed that most of her patients are JWs. Most JWs just love to hear what they like to hear. They don't care that Watchtower teaches truth or not. No matter how many times their doctrines change. If Watchtower comes out today to tell JWs the truth that they have been scammed, there are JWs that won't believe them. They really need everything they have been taught to be true else everything they have done for Watchtower has been a total waste. But they don't know that they have actually wasted their precious time, emotions, and money working for a Book publishing business that is tied to Satan. I can assure you that more JWs are leaving the Cult especially since the pandemic. The leaders are afraid and are constantly warning JWs to stay away from negative news about them in their Broadcasts. Calling the negative news Apostate lies without giving proof that they are lies. The way their leaders are focusing on Whistleblowers that expose them even going as far as monitoring social media and ExJW forums, tells you some things are happening in the background and more JWs are waking up. The cult is not growing. It is dying a slow death. Many congregations have been dissolved and Kingdom halls sold in different parts of the world. It is only in Africa that they are taking the dead Cult seriously.
Courz: Actually, the pyramid tombstone was built separately from where Russell was buried. Watchtower built it because Russell instructed them to do. If you look at that particular area very well, you will see a separate tombstone where he was actually buried and that pyramid tombstone built close to it.
As for the All seeing Eye, that wasn't the headquarters. That was actually a Convention venue in Denmark. The Bethel Headquarters wasn't designed that way.
I just remembered an EXJW couple that have a 32nd degree Freemason as a friend. Their friend explicitly said that the pyramid tombstone built for Russell is actually proof that he is a Freemason. Nobody can try to deny or twist it because the pyramid has already exposed him. Secondly, he said there is a Hat Russell wears, a White Hat. He said that Hat is also a sign that he is a very high ranking Illuminati member. He says that particular Hat is worn by illuminati members. This tallies with what a former CIA agent said about Russell's family being an Illuminati Bloodline family. This tells you where Watchtower stands in the world. They are part of the Power players of the world. They are part of the Beast system. So, if you really want to know the truth about Freemasonry, just find the members who can anonymously speak to you or the bold ones who are not afraid to die like this 33rd degree Freemason in the below video. Freemason whistleblowers have been exposing Freemasonry for years. No one has any excuse to be deceived by hard core Masons because there are other masons who have spoken out! The hardcore Freemasons hiding or denying the masonic links are just doing what is required of them: Secrecy. They won't tell you the truth. This 33rd degree Freemason in the video explained in details why other Masons deny or hide Masonic links. I am just happy that this video was made last year.
Every outdoors Events Centres & amphitheatres use that basic design of pyramid shape. You are very deluded to make FALSE claims on this thread. The occultic pyramid & cross symbols in deeper life church building & other buildings of Christendom is exactly the same with freemasonry symbols posted by Courz.
Mr Russell was not buried in that place you are posted on this thread.
Go and do research. Taze rusell was buried by a pyramid, however after an uproar watch tower removed it. Have you checked the top view of watch tower head quarter? Did you not see the all seeing eye and the pyramid? How about the ring governing body wore? Tazr rusell was a free Mason.
Janosky: Steep sheeple Rooster and bull rant. The same man wey get the same Satanic Cross & pyramid in his Church & his home.
Whereas ,JWs have none!
My church do not use occultic cross and pyramid. However below was the grace Russell was buried. The head quarter of jehovah witness organizationisation with the all seeing g designs. Jehovah witnesses governing body with masonic hand shake.
Christianity Etc › Re: Satan Using The Elites To Lead People To Destruction. by Steep(op): 10:18am On Oct 22, 2022
