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Acidosis: Part of our mission to save 1million innocent catholics in Nigeria.
(most especially the aged and elderly ones who fell ignorantly)

Their mission is to Save Catholics?

Acidosis: Okay I'm waiting for the next ed.iot so I can unleash my words..

"Ye shall know them by their fruits" Matt 7:16

Acidosis: Part of our mission to save 1million innocent catholics in Nigeria.
(most especially the aged and elderly ones who fell ignorantly)

Their mission is to save catholics?

Acidosis: Now

When I say you're a re.tardo, a mentally sluggish slow-pok£ of the highest order,

The mods will then BAN me, right?

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account" Matt 12:36

POPE II: How do they select mods for this section?

Do we have a Catholic mod? If no why is that? We are without any doubt the biggest Christian congregation/denomination. Abeg Italo ,ube, syncan you guys should do something

Selection of mods is entirely Seun's call, during the last selection, I tried to make a push for striktlymi but that is history. Sal C is right, the criteria seun used was "born again", and all it needs is such a selected one to actually be a christian in deed, sentiments apart. Despite excusable frailties, they really aren't doing badly, with the enormity of the task they face. So far, only Muslims have succeeded in discussing in peace.

italo: Is it against Catholic doctrine to report trespassers to the authorities?

Why do we allow people derail our threads when we can take them to the moderators (even though the mods too might have anti-Catholic bias)

If this organism came into Catechism class or a venue for Catholic meeting spewing his trash, would we not hand him over to security/Police?

Well you've got a point...but somehow I saw myself praying for him this morning...that Divine light should guide his path.

Sal C: Good morning Brethren. May this day be highly favoured for us.


@italo I see up post up there but can't reply adequately now, my battery is running down, just ignore the unreasonble threads out there and reply the ones you can, Don't let anyone rope you into doing their bidding.

Am sorry about the meditation thread, I will do my best to ignore silly post there henceforth.
@Damerry pls take note of that too, let's bring back the sanity of that thread.

@ POPE11 welcome back.
@Woky, Syncan, Uben, Rich4god and all, do have a nice day ahead.

God bless you as you get stronger by the day. Good morning all and a nice day to you all, my special thoughts in prayer still goes out to Rich4God and family...not forgetting Mr Al.

Sal C: Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with YOU, blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb JESUS.

HOLY MARY MOTHER OF GOD. Pray for all sinners, now and the hour of our death.
Amen.

*on my morning devotion*

Amen.

Msgamble: Then tell me on which principles(set of rules) 1. Elections of Pope based on 2. Cannonisation(chosing) of Saint..ask ur priest, Dogma is a set of principles laid down by d church Authority which guide their actions

1. Election of Popes is based on rules set by those involved " college of cardinals". The apostles elected someone to replace Judas didn't they?
2. Cannonisation involves declaring that humans have borne witness to a holy life led by an individual and that God has been pleased to affirm that via verifiable miracles connected with them. It involves a process of research into the life of the individual and confirmation of the veracity of the claimed miracles.

Just simply put, Dogma means something, but we are saying, it is not a book like you claimed.

Msgamble: why insult n abuse ur fellow christain? Frustration? Permit my spelling nt dodgma buh 'Dogma' u're just trying to obstruct d truth by laying lame emphasis on dodgma u know what i mean even with spelling/typing error..am sure if i was there wen Christ turned water to wine, u ppl will b saying 'Msgamble pray for us' lyk am God or Christ that livest forever, hmmn

Do not hide ignorance amidst sarcasm, that's arrogance. A good example of what I mean again. Dogma or Dodgma, we have no such book.

truthislight: We all sometimes tell ourselves what that makes us feel ire.

But that does not chancge the truth.

The word "Christian" has the word 'christ' in it and means > followers of christ.

But i dont know on what basis the word catholic takes the place/superseeds the word christian or follower of christ.

How can that be possible ?

What will you call those who refused to follow the dictates of the Jerusalem council in acts 15, but still follow christ, yet preaching and demanding circumcision as contained in the sacred books, as pre-requisite for God's people? Christians too?

truthislight: We all sometimes tell ourselves what that makes us feel ire.

But that does not chancge the truth.

The word "Christian" has the word 'christ' in it and means > followers of christ.

But i dont know on what basis the word catholic takes the place/superseeds the word christian or follower of christ.

How can that be possible ?

What will you call those who refused to follow the dictates of the Jerusalem council in acts 15, but still follow christ, yet preaching and demanding circumcision as contained in the sacred books, as pre-requisite for God's people.

Sal C: If actually I understood all the grammar up there, then am ok even with the "us"

hahaha, I am ok with "us" too o, abeg o

Enigma: OK my crybaby takes the invitation of Ubenedictus to insult me (behind my back) in their enclave. Well I am not afraid of coming to the Roman Catholic enclave.

Meanwhile this is the same mumu dunce of a crybaby that I thoroughly schooled on his ignorance about his own Roman Catholic organisation's rubbish doctrine of papal "infallibility" ---- even with documents that the mumu supplied!

Hmm, proves me right again. Permit me to ignore you again.

Ubenedictus: E newest catholic in our midst welcome. i actually brought it up becos ur methods seem insincere at best and i really need a charitable way to deal with your monologues with half truths. Do u wish to discuss honorius? And to what end?

Could the two of you kindly do that else where?

Ubenedictus: so what about the canons before 382ad?

It has always been a process of getting a complete collection. There has been additions and subtractions, however, after the 382 AD works, there isn't any proof that something was added, or subtracted from it, with what we have now. It is said that Trent collection of Canon is a duplicate of 382AD. Except you have another info about this.

Ubenedictus: Now a more interesting question. Wen was d catholic canon set?

I believe in 382 AD as the date. The synod of Rome.

Ubenedictus: syncan. Syncan syncan. How many times did i call you? U were playing fella with me abi? Who kill dele giwa na baba who come put gida na him know. Who cause d trouble na 'us' who come put ubenedict na him know abi.

Na only three times you call me o, ohoo, you see, na fela talk am sef.

Ubenedictus: Let me take a little diversion. What is d right way to deal with the guy called enigma. D guy don tire me small. E prefer to call me liar than discuss with me. Weytin una think?

Dearest, the boy is just incorrigible, He quotes from a biased historian who is out to paint the church black no matter what. His manner of speech is appalling and he cares not about christian charity in his speech. I simply ignore him as he copies and pastes along. The only Input he makes in his posts seem to be the insulting contents. His posts are filled with twisted half truths, while he keeps shouting obscenities against Catholics. How do you deal with someone who has so much "info", and still remains an Anglican...with its infamous origin. It simply tells you the person is not honest, so Ignore. Or if you care, refute without caring about his comments.

Sal C: Pardon my curiousity but is it possible for a pope to keep mute over raging issues during his papacy and not held accountable for them?

Do understand that I am not giving you an answer with respect to Infallibility, since that will entail some other things coming into consideration. The Command of "feed my Sheep" carries a moral burden. A burden, that the good shepherd does not hesitate long in guiding the sheep on the right path. He has a mandate to show the way, remember what Christ said "I lost none of those you gave me.." John 18:9. That is Christ "submitting his report card", same will be demanded of each shepherd, so the more you delay, the more you lose. However, Will Power to follow Divine illumination is not always instantaneous due to human frailties, you can see that from Peter on the issue of circumcision in the Acts. Also careful and prayerful study is made and reaction time depends also on the complexities involved. If it is very clear what he is to do; and he does not do it, then comes the condemnation which could only come from a later authentic magisterium,(Not like Hypollitus)...another "us".... Outside this, God will be the Judge.

adsonstone: I asked because I dont wanna make a wrong conclusion of your statement.

Positive and negative.....do u mean right teachings (from the catholic church) and wrong/questionable teachings from other churches outside the catholic church?

I'm open to corrections.

I mean when you see a virtue exhibited, eg He said something like, I am sorry, you are right. Its such a rare virtue among Christians in NL. I expected an acknowledgement. You did refer to it in a way later, and that's why i said your post seems to have a balance now. More so, you left some of his expose and commented on those you find faulty. The ones you left, are they wrong or right?

Sal C: That means he was merely indifferent to the heresies of his time not that he taught them.

He wasn't exactly indifferent, he spoke. But as one who is a custodian of the deposit of faith, he ought to have been more direct and clear on his stand and guide the flock on the way to go. His hesitation, followed by his agreement with those who sympathize with the heretics, suggests that he was at least inclined towards not condemning them...and this is against the belief handed down to him.

Ubenedictus: eh eh! So na my name end with us abi? So na me cause am? Syncan i don begin vex.

I am sorry for me o abeg. Who said that your name end with us, Sal C is it you? Pls no vex, no be your type of "us".

adsonstone: kindly explain your observation.

What do you mean by 'positive and negative'?

I believe you know, for your later posts suggest a balance.

Sal C: Syncan please come and finish what you started.

But oga Uben: if you are a lecturer, your students will surely work hard to pass,

Sorry Sal C, I could not come back till now. However, I no start anything ma'am, all those involved in the matter get "us" as suffix for their names, honorius, sergius, theodorus...if you check our names, you go see who im own end for "us", na that person you go hold o.

no be for my mouth you wan hear am.

Rich4god: Need your prayers brethren... My dad is sick and I dont even know what is really wrong with him.

May the health of the sick intercede for him at this time. Be calm and know that HE is God.

Ubenedictus: But pope honorius taught heresy, how do u reconcile that?

Pope honorius did not "teach" heresy. He merely failed to condemn one, hence did not stop, even encouraged, its spreading by his silence. Moreso, he never claimed his stand on the matter was binding on all catholics, which is a pre-requsite for infallibility as I earlier stated.
He neither made his opinion binding on all, nor condemned the other opinion. Infallibility claim cannot be invoked here.

This is to the best of my knowledge.

Ukuts gp: I am following.
I wonder if the book of macbeth is in the bible? Just asking o.

I will suggest you particularly should follow quietly.

lacum: you are paying for what u refused to pay when u where supposed to. for instance: are u in cyon, did u participate actively and pay monthly dues? this is for u n ur frnd individually in order to obtain clearance. for ur info, it happens in every church. when i used to work in d church, i was told by a man about to wed dat more will even b demanded from u in anglican. when i was about to enter d seminary, i also obtained clearance from cyon. so its not only for marriage.

So even to go and "suffer" you need clearance

Ubenedictus: does this mean the pope can make doctrines in the church? Does this mean he is infallible when he teaches without recourse to d deposit of faith? Besides you got it right. Where does scriptures and tradition teach papal infallibility?

The pope can only throw new light into the meaning or understanding of, or affirm in stronger words, what the church has recieved via sacred tradition ( oral and written). The magisterium is there to aid him. Christs mandate to the church to preach to all nations, his specific order to Peter to feed the sheep, his promise to be with the church till the end of time, and that the gates of hell shall not prevail, all depicts infallibility. The fact that the apostles in acts 15 chose to say " it has pleased us and the holy spirit" means they understand it so. Also scripture calls the church " pillar and foundation of truth" When the pillar of truth declares, there is no room for error. God has made it so, He is omnipotent, He can do it. The various anthemas in the early church and condemnation of heresies showed that the early fathers understood it so.

The thread is moving fine so far, @adstone I wish you could be able to see both positive and negative, for now it seems you are blind to one.

just an observation

Ubenedictus: Without checking the net and books, what is papal infallibility?

The pope cannot err when he speaks "ex cathedral" as the shepherd of the universal church, in matters of faith and moral.

woky: 12 children
*coughs*

sorry dear, take water. Na water me I drink too.

amyg: @Italo,Frm d onset of MY thread,u depict ANGER,BITTERNESS &UNHAPPINESS as a priest.am wicked,stingy,inconsiderate&a thief?thank GOD its a faceless forum else u would v slapped me as well or even cursed me.sorry u r nt God.u must really b guilty cos u r trying so hard.a while ago,u wanted 2 know wot can b done 2 salvage d situation&even feigned ignorance.how much did d church charge u 4 ur ordination?u feel couples r better opportuned and lucky 2 be married while u chose 2 suffer as a clergy so they ought 2 b purnished as well.both married laity&clergy r a vocation,no compulsion.u v ur holy order,they get dr holy matrimony. I repeat,HOW MUCH DID U PAY 4 UR ORDINATION?

@amyg, I hope you know it was you who provoked that reaction, though I do not support it for a sister. Several posters have tried to speak kindly with you on the subject and even professing to help out, yet you seem determined to paint the church and her priests black with your posts. Do you want to solve a problem? Do you understand the problem? Is this the best place to solve it? Just take a moment and consider this: supposing Italo is not a priest and someone else is ...eg me, will you say it is fair to me what you just wrote about priests not happy for you being able to marry? Is that how you feel about priests? That's why in a faceless forum like this we are careful not to generalize issues. We all have a part to play in making the church better for us. 7k as you propose can still be too much for some people to pay, what do you then do? What determined your 7k, minimum wage? I have said it before, no couple wanting to wed will not wed in the catholic church because of wedding fee. There is even mass wedding in the catholic church. Take it easy amyg.