ademola2017: In 2017, i expressed my deep concerns on nairaland about my now ex wife double dating game before we got married, her attitude towards me and how the relationship was one sided.
I got several advices to let her go but decided to give the marriage another chance but it eventually crashed in March 2022. We did all we could to save the marriage but to no success. We were done patching. No child was involved and absolutely nothing to show for the marriage after 8years of being together. I still feel the pain but it gets better everyday. I credit myself for not cheating on her till our last days together and even months after our separation.
After several months of being celibate, I had sex with a young 25year old lady. I met her through a family friend 2 months before she got pregnant
Just one intercourse, she became pregnant. At first, i doubted it because I laboured very hard to father a child for 8yrs and with just one sexual intercourse, someone is carry my baby?? with me being very knowledgable about calculating ovulation dates and timely intercourse, it conformed so I had to accept the pregnancy as a sign from God.
Deep down, my new partner and I do not love each other but the respect for each other is on point. We have ZERO expectations from each other. We communicate well and have started living together in peace. No arguements, no drama and no issues at all.
I changed my mindset by taking her as my younger sister and she does same by taking me as an older brother.
It feels strange to be at so much peace with someone that I dont love at all. Our baby is coming and I am scared things may change when the true reality sets in.
What do you guys think?
I do not know how kindly I can put it, but it looks like u have mental issues. You have to really think about yourself. First sign is that you wifed a whoring partner. Another is that u claim your present partner isn’t expecting anything from u and that you guys are leaving together. You are not yet living in reality. In a few months this your house built on delusion will come crashing down. Then u will realize you have found for yourself another complication. You will know that your life with this your new partner is so intertwined that you can’t go on expecting nothing from each other. She is carrying a part of you. Your DNA has somehow forever mixed with hers. I pray Hod help u to find good knowledge for your life
Againstallodds: who is the Israel of God? Please read verse 8 and tell me it's not this present Israel that Isaiah is referring to ?
BIBLE UNDERSTANDING IS THE KEY WORD HERE. “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones God’s messengers! How often I have wanted to gather your children together as a hen protects her chicks beneath her wings, but you wouldn’t let me. And now, look, your house is abandoned and desolate. Matthew 23:37,38;
Jeremiah 22:5 “‘But if you will not obey these words, by myself I do swear,’ declares Yahweh, ‘that this house will become a devastated place.’
Matthew 21:43 This is why I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits.
Tell me what Godly fruits this present Israel is producing to give u the audacity to think God still supports them? There is now a new Israel and a new JERUSALEM under a new COVENANT
Againstallodds: Islamic terrorist I want you to read this passage and see why Israel is untouchable.
Isaiah 62:5-12 [5]Your children will commit themselves to you, O Jerusalem, just as a young man commits himself to his bride. Then God will rejoice over you as a bridegroom rejoices over his bride. [6]O Jerusalem, I have posted watchmen on your walls; they will pray day and night, continually. Take no rest, all you who pray to the lord. [7]Give the lord no rest until he completes his work, until he makes Jerusalem the pride of the earth. [8]The lord has sworn to Jerusalem by his own strength: “I will never again hand you over to your enemies. Never again will foreign warriors come and take away your grain and new wine. [9]You raised the grain, and you will eat it, praising the lord. Within the courtyards of the Temple, you yourselves will drink the wine you have pressed.” [10]Go out through the gates! Prepare the highway for my people to return! Smooth out the road; pull out the boulders; raise a flag for all the nations to see. [11]The lord has sent this message to every land: “Tell the people of Israel, ‘Look, your Savior is coming. See, he brings his reward with him as he comes.’” [12]They will be called “The Holy People” and “The People Redeemed by the lord.” And Jerusalem will be known as “The Desirable Place” and “The City No Longer Forsaken.”
Those words are for the Israel of God, not this modern day contraption
immortalcrown: Nigeria is gone. The solution is simple but a government hijacked by the agents of the devil cannot implement the solution.
Some of the solutions are: 1. If a station detains someone for more than 48 hours, the DPO should be sacked and his picture with his name should be published on a national newspaper.
2. If the detained person gets injured or killed in the police custudy, the DPO and all the police officers on duty when it happened should be given life imprisonment.
3. If something like the case narrated in this post happens in a State, the commissioner for police in that State should be sacked and his identity should be published on a national newspaper.
4. The police officers at every checkpoint must have their police station boldly printed on their van, so that if anything goes wrong at that checkpoint, the DPO in charge of the station will either fish the officers out or get imprisoned.
That guy may have voted in this present government. People do not know that they are actually shooting themselves on the foot with their unwise decisions at elections. The me we have now can’t do anything about this evil. Nigeria will not change because we have always been repeating same things at elections. We allow the person that can share the most money and people that corrupt further the police at elections to win
Melagros: The political dynamics in Nigeria is dramatic and full of setbacks, some governors resisted the gentleman's agreement they had with their godfathers and made headway, unfortunately, others could not! Please permit me to be brief/to summarise
ADAMAWA STATE: Atiku vs Haruna; when Atiku became the vice president and he wanted to dictate leadership for Boni Haruna but the later resisted and served his people
GOMBE STATE: Goje vs. Dankwambo; after Goje worked hard for Dankwambo to succeed him to pilot the affairs of the state thinking is gonna be a smooth ride but his boy rebelled against his boss which till date they are not in good terms
AKWA IBOM STATE: Attah vs. Akpabio; Akpaboi who's the current Nigeria's senate president also had altercations with his former boss
AKWA IBOM STATE: Akpabio vs. Udom; Udom had dished out what Akpabio dished to Attah
ABIA STATE: Kalu vs. Orji; when Kalu wanted to remote-control Orji, but Orji almost killed the political career of Kalu in Abi State
ANAMBRA STATE: The Ubas vs Ngige; if Ngige is not a strong politician the Ubas could have messed him up in that state
EDO STATE: Oshiomhole vs Obaseki; Obaseki warned Oshiomhole that Edo State is not Lagos, immediately Oshiomhole behaved himself
RIVERS STATE: Ameachi vs Odili; Ameachi silenced Odili's political career in Rivers State
RIVERS STATE: Obj vs Ameachi; Ameachi defied Obasanjo's 'K leg' syndrome and became a governor
DELTA STATE: Uduaghan vs Okowa; when Okowa became governor citizens thought that Okowa would become a 'boy-boy' for the former, but Uduaghan was silent throughout the tenure of Okowa
RIVERS STATE: Wike vs Fubara; currently Fubara is on the final phase of sealing political domination of his predecessor
KADUNA STATE: El'Rufai vs Uba; Uba has already sent El'Rufai packing from the politics of Kaduna State and El'Rufai is on exile right now
KANO STATE: Kwankwaso vs Ganduje; unless it takes the intervention of God Ganduje has shredded the political career of his former boss
IMO STATE: Okorocha vs Uzodinma; Uzodinma has sentenced the political structure of Okorocha to life imprison
However, the case was different for some governors who tried to defy their godfathers orders and those governors received the greatest humiliation of their life/political careers
LAGOS STATE: Tinubu vs Ambode; Tinubu dealt with Ambode mercilessly to the extent that Tinubu forbade Ambode from succeeding for second term
LAGOS STATE: ...what was the circumstance that led to the elimination of Funsho Williams from the political arena of Lagos state?
LAGOS STATE: Tinubu vs Osinbanjo; Tinubu prevented Osinbanjo from succeeding Buhari
OYO STATE: Ibadan big boy vs Ladoja; when Rasheed Ladoja tried to challenge his godfather, Ladoja was humiliated with impeachment
OYO STATE:...what was the mystery behind the assassination of Bola Ige?
OGUN STATE: Obasanjo vs Osoba; Obasanjo allotted only one tenure for Osoba for trying to defy his orders
OGUN STATE: Obasanjo vs Bankole; Obasanjo vowed that in his life time, Bankole will never rule Ogun State and it's playing out
OSUN STATE: Aregbosola vs Oyetola; when the later dared the former, one term became his national anthem
KWARA STATE: Saraki (sr) vs Adesina; since godfatherism exists in that state, Lam Adesina served that state only one tenure, Saraki (sr) removed him and replaced him with Saraki (jn)
Distinguished ladies and gentlemen Thank you all
The last case you mentioned which is Kwara is very wrong. Saraki Junior took over from Lawal
Ginaz: I moved into a new neighbourhood and i stay alone. Luckily I came across my childhood friend one fateful day on my way to fill up my cooking gas.
we exchanged contact, I found out we live closed to each other. she now has 6kids with her husband, the eldest child being 13yrs old.
As formal friends and now neighbours I tried to assist her with whatever little I could as they're not doing so great in financially.
I noticed whenever I enter her house, she's somewhat uneasy as she would apologized for the messy state of her house, the dirty floor , the roughness of the building which i don't even care to notice as I am not judging her.
I reduced my entrance into her house due to the fact I didnt want her to feel bad about whatever she might be thinking of her house. it was making feel uncomfortable to hear such complains too.
I usually send her kids on errands, which I give them monetary compensations. I called her on phone one day to send her second daughter to me that I wanna send her on an errand, she replied yes she would but I didn't see the daughter.
I was cooking rice, the kids came. I dished for them and I asked the daughter why she refused to come see me the day I sent for her. she told me it was her mother who told her not to come.
I was shocked ! if her mother didn't want me to send her on a errand she could have told me. I felt like I was disturbing her kids so I blocked her number and stop sending the kids message to run for me.
now she has been calling me but I've refused to answer her calls. am I wrong in wanting to end the friendship?
Why u go just block somebody straight like that? I think it’s good u too should just avoid each other. Because I doubt your sense of judgement myself. It will sooner or later turn sour
Odewaleadesoye: Nollywood actor Yul Edochie has revealed how his life was miraculously saved after he was involved in a ghastly car accident in 2019.
The thespian claimed that he died after the accident, but God gave him a second life and instructed that his new life would be for his glory, his word, and for humanity.
Edochie disclosed this on his Instagram page recently, promising to shed more light on his claim later.
Hmmm everything is now clear. Yul was changed after he hit is head in this accident. The old lovable Tul never survived that accident. The MAN really died
Blakjewelry: Then you must know that the oldest form of written history is from Mesopotamia and it predated the Bible story by thousands of years. Now here is the fun part, while the Mesopotamia story of creation and it early rulers king matches and shares similarities with the Bible book of genesis, it is obvious that the book of genesis is a modification of the stories from the ancient people since even the Israelites themselves trace their origin back to ur a Mesopotamia city.
Also, the isrealite worship most of the old gods their capture by nebuchadnezzar. Infact yahweh, El the one you know as El Elyon, El Shaddai are all different deities that fused together that you are worshipping today. Just try get your hands on the ugarit text and you find a lot of similar the book of psalm and the ugarit. It's a common knowledge among scholars that the different cannannite gods were fused together to form the modern God you are worshipping.
One basic fact that you like many Christians and even pastors do not understand the ancient Israelites and their God. What should interest you really is that when you consider not only ancient writings about creation and the flood that you have in the folklore of of not only Mesopotamia, but even also in places like ancient Phoenician around Palestine, the civilizations in Indus Valley, Babylon, Elam, Egypt, China, Arabia and even mesoamerica, and u consider the similar pattern and themes they follow, you will come to the conclusion that there may be some elements of historical truths in those narratives. They may all source those stories from factual ancient pool of human history. The Bible that claims its inspiration from God gave us it’s on narratives. And science have been able to show us that many of this narratives are plausible. How? I give you points to look at: -one point is the what we have been discussing and it’s the prevalence among old cultures from places even far apart of similar narratives about creation, first human parents, giants, flood and a single survivor family. - the fact that the earth is more water then land, which is unlike many other planets may point to the fact that the earth was flooded at some point. -research, genomics and anthropology, suggests that humans could very much have had single parentage. -there are cultures even in Africa that suggests that some aliens visited the earth at some points back in history. -the account of creation in Genesis agrees with the established scientific timelines. -Bible from early time suggested that the earth was sphere when many traditional and popular scientific knowledge of that time thinks otherwise. -Bible pointedly said the earth hangs on nothing even at a time that people had no idea that something like that is possible. -the Bible explained water cycle that causes condensation and precipitation (rain)
Then back to my first point. The word Elohim that is from the root word El is the way the ancient tradition ms around Mesopotamia and Arabia call “God”. El means God. It’s from this root word you have Aramaic Ellah, Arabia Allah [Al-illa] and Hebrew Elohim (or Elohe). There is nothing that says Hebrew or the ancient Israelites adopted Mesopotamia gods unless at occasions were the Bible already stated that they went away from their real God. Good understanding of the Bible will lead one to know that though ancient Israel admitted that there were several gods, they only worship one God who they called Yahweh (or Jehovah) and they have other titles that they used to magnify the personality of this God, like Jehovah Jireh which means Jehovah our provider and Jehovah El shaddai which means Jehovah is God almighty. So Jehovah the God of ancient Israel was well differentiated from the other gods around
baralatie: Is there a relationship between been submissive , cheating and self centeredness
I think there is a relationship between being submissive and self centered ness. I am not sure about cheating. You see being submissive is about acknowledging Gods arrangements. It consciously and with the needed effort, putting somebody’s before u
I am not married but the points I noted from your post is that.
1. Don’t teach women how to fish, give them fish instead. When giving them the fish, make sure it’s only the head and the tail.
2. Most women will hate you if you are nice man. I don’t know where the hate comes from. It seems natural. You have to be cruel to them, always make them remember the wrong things you did instead of the good. They’ll love you more.
3. If your wife pushes you out with her nagging and disrespectful behavior, and you really go out and start cheating/fornicating, it’s a trap. When you fall into the trap, you’ll fall so hard that you’ll lose more than you can ever recover. This is the ultimate test most men fail
4. About your last born. Only God and DNA test knows the answer. Or you can simply approach your sister in law hubby and ask him if he mistakenly slept with your wife. Just be polite with the question.
If u are courting and u notice the lady won’t be submissive, do not wife he even if you disflowered her whole generation. That’s one mistake u did. Concerning the child, guilt is making u find a sin mate. You want proof to see that you are not the only one that have been unfaithful. From your writing, you are relatively well of. Do DNA for all your children secretly to calm your mind. Do not bring it up with anybody
Na formation APC dey set up. Secure a foothold in the most important city in the south, Lagos. Hold influence in port harcourt and Imo in the south south and south east. Secure the most important city in the north, Kano. And get a good footing too in the center, Plateau. MARADONA TINUBU What INEC couldn’t finish the court is finishing it.
Reasonable people with good head will be scared. I am scared to my bones😱
This is a video story shared by Brekete Family. It is about the ordeal of a Nigerian citizen in the hands of the Nigerian Police Force.
Solomon Bawa hails from Ajaga Family in Karo LGA of Nasarawa State.
In 2019, he was on his way to repair the tyre of his pickup when he was accosted by the Police who asked him if he knew any Bawa Gambo. He replied in the negative but they asked him to enter their vehicle to follow them to the station at Masaka.
On reaching there, they asked about his identity again and he told them his name, Solomon Bawa. After pressuring him to identify as Bawa Gambo and not getting a result, they took away his belt and shoes, then locked him up in a cell until daybreak.
He kept asking why he was locked up and got no response. Instead he got beaten and later transferred to State CID, Lafia. Here, he was beaten repeatedly and forced to identify as Bawa Gambo or tell them the whereabouts.
An Igbo trader who saw him, travelled to Solomon's home on his behalf, to inform his family of what is going on. His mother came to attest that his name is Solomon but was given no attention. Instead, he got beaten by one Inspector Usman Amgbashi to the extent that he got his forehead injured and lost his entire right arm to shrinking and paralysis.
Another Policeman, Inspector Ado Bature, advised him to accept the identity of Bawa Gambo or face more beating, especially as it was getting too much and may lead to his death and nothing will happen. Solomon had to accept, in the hopes that when he gets to court, he can explain himself. But this was not to be as he spent some months there. The only visitor he frequently had, his mother, died about 2 months after he had been held at the State CID.
After then, no one visited anymore and Solomon could not help crying everyday, at his loss. He was then transferred to Lafia Prison without being charged to court. He spent about 3 years in prison until he met with the Comptroller and explained his situation and ill-health. He was then transferred to Keffi Prison, where he spent another year but was getting some form of treatment on the now deformed hand.
Respite came in the form of a human rights lawyer, Barrister C.Y. Masha, who listened to his story when she came to the Prison. She took it upon herself to verify his identity by going to his hometown and retrieving his certificates, then pursued the matter until he was due to appear in court. It turns out that the said 'Bawa Gambo' had already appeared and bailed himself at the State CID while Solomon remained imprisoned.
After the first court session, the police never showed up again, despite Musa making multiple appearance with his lawyer, Barrister C.Y. Masha. He was then asked to provide two surety so he can be bailed, which he did. He went to retrieve his phone from State CID. He saw Inspector Usman Amgbashi, approached him and greeted him. He proceeded to tell him that he came for his phone but was warned never to step his foot there again or get beaten.
On October 4, after another no-show at the courts by the Police, he was advised by the same Igbo trader to go to Brekete Family to tell his story and possibly, get justice.
Today, the matter is being handled by the IGP himself, who called for a thorough investigation.
It's a bag of mixed fortunes ahead for Solomon, who now has to get justice with a deformed right hand, a permanent scar on his head, a late mother and four years of his life gone 'for nothing'
Supremos: Kindly make your point without sounding hurt or pained. Don't take it personal.
Elections are over. The way forward is my priority.
Peace ✌️
Election is not over. How can you say this lie? Election consequences is continuing everyday to stare us in the face and you said it’s over. See the elections in Kogi and Imo. Aren’t they offshoots of our choices in the last general election?
Righteousness2: The Islamist, King David the man after GOD'S Heart was an Expert in these kind of Operations.
Operation Pursue, Overtake and recover all!! Israelites of today are taking after their Fore Fathers. Infact they Have Continued from where King David stopped.
GOD Bless the Nation of Israel.
You are grade one olodo. David knew God. What God does this Israelites know? Israel wey u suppose they cry against like Jeremiah of those days but you are here praising them. You are a false prophet. You do not know God
immortalcrown: God will not come down to the earth to conduct the baptism on anybody. Conducting the baptism is solely left for man. The spiritual essence of baptism is salvation, which means to enable someone inherit the kingdom of God after leaving this earth. The salvation is between God and the baptized person. Another explanation is the holy ghost baptism. A priest conducts the baptism but is not responsible for the manifestation of the holy ghost baptism. So in this case, the Church does its own part by baptizing those who claim they need baptism. Whether the baptism is effective enough to take those people to heaven or not is left for God to decide. In conclusion, you have no biblical fact against what the Pope said.
Baptizing isn’t salvation. In the Bible it was an action people take after repentance and conversion or to start a serious ministry. A professed gay or somebody that remains in same sex union would never get baptized in the Bible. This my Bible position was just until very recently the Catholic Church position. But gradually gradually they are giving ground and shifting. Gradually gradually they are conforming to the world. Why? Because they do not based all their doctrines and practices on the Bible, hence they have no clear boundaries
Emeraldicon: This link doesn't show anywhere the pope mentioned same sex marriage. Blessing of individual and blessing of marriage are two different things. So don't get confused. I state again the Catholic Church will never wed gay people. Not in our life time and even beyond.
What you guys are trying to do is to just pick a snippet of the Pope's untterance without fully reading and digesting everything he said and run to create sensational headlines to discredit the Catholic Church.
We have had very very bad popes in the church that did extremely abominable things but the church is still standing.
The Pope was a priest, Bishop, Cardinal and then pope, He's not the last Authority in the Catholic Church, Jesus Christ is the final authority.
The Pope can make an error as a human. If he makes any pronouncements as in his personal capacity as a priest, it's not binding on the church unless when he speaks ex cathedra.
To say that the pope is infallible does not mean to say that the pope as a person is completely free from error. The only statements from the pope that are considered infallible are ex cathedra statements. The definition of an ex cathedra statement was solidified at the first Vatican Council. In order to be an ex cathedra statement, the statement must fulfill the following criteria: the pope must be speaking for the Church as a pastor and doctor of all Christians; he must be teaching on a doctrine of faith or morals; he must intend to determine a point of doctrine in a final way; and it must be clear that the pope means to bind the whole Church through the statement he is making.
Did you read where it said the VATICAN may be open to same sex marriage. God bless you for admitting there have been terrible popes. But I hope you know now that transgender and gay will start getting baptized? Getting baptized is different from attending church oh. So you won’t ask me if they should be thrown out. This are small small shifts I mentioned. Small small giving of grounds. This was unthinkable just some couple of years ago. Now I tell you that same sex marriage from developments now isn’t anymore unthinkable
Emeraldicon: Another thing I want to correct is this, John the Baptist wasn't Baptized, he introduced Baptism, he even told Jesus that he John should be the one asking Jesus for baptism. When the Jews were coming to John for baptism, they Bible didn't record their names and ages, so it's possible children too came and they didn't come as righteous people, they came as Sinners, it was after listening to John that they repented and got baptized.
It's not only the Catholic Church that baptises infants, even Martin Luther baptises infants.
Infants baptism started thousands of years and no one complained. Even the person that brought Reformation didn't condemed it.
Now I will show you my heart and the way I argue and my readiness to admit mistakes. You are right that John wasn’t baptized. We first read about baptism from his activities. However, it appears it has become a culture for people to go to public streams to show publicly their conversion. Still, those coming even from John to Jesus to get baptize even if their are children among them, are there babies? Martin Luther as a former Catholic inherited a practice that isn’t supported by the Bible. He attempted to cleanse the church but we can imagine he may not know everything that needs correcting
Emeraldicon: 1st and foremost, Jesus didn't meet the Bible, he met the Thora which is the old testament in the Bible today. Then it's just book by book not binded together in one book.
Secondly the Bible as we have it now came into existence some 300yrs after Jesus, so the earliest Christians didn't have the Bible, infact most are illitrates so they couldn't even read. They were taught and they believe what they listened to.
Thirdly since there's no where in the Bible that said only Adults should be baptized or baptising kids is wrong, why are you against that. Baptism is like immunisation, we immunise our kids without their consent because we know it's good for them. Baptism is the new convenant that replaces circumsition. Jews don't circumcise adults but children. (This is just an analogy). They fact it's not explicitly stated in the Bible doesn't mean it's sinful or wrong to baptise a baby. Remember Jesus himself said don't stop babies from coming to him, or do you want to disobey Jesus?
Fourthly the Pope never said the church will wed gay people. Go and read carefully what he said
(What Pope Francis’ Statement About Possible Blessings for Same-Sex Couples Could Mean BY SOLCYRE BURGA OCTOBER 4, 2023 10:22 AM EDT A response letter to five conservative cardinals who were asking Pope Francis to clarify whether blessings of same-sex unions are permitted went public on Monday, signaling a slight shift in the Catholic Church’s previous stance on LGBTQ+ unions.
“We cannot be judges who only deny, push back and exclude,” Pope Francis wrote in a July letter. “As such, pastoral prudence must adequately discern whether there are forms of blessing, requested by one or several people, that do not convey a wrong idea of a matrimony. Because when one seeks a blessing, one is requesting help from God.” It's a step back from a 2021 Vatican statement—made by an official who Francis has since removed—that said blessings of same-sex couples were not permitted. )
This is a suggestion, that a priest based on his discretion can bless not the marriage but the individual or individuals who seek for blessing. We Catholics normally present ourselves or sacramentals for blessing by the Priest.
Are you saying the priest should refuse to bless a transgender or lesbian or gay who ask for the priests blessing?
Most are even getting blessed because they hide their identity.
Your argument stems from Satan attempt to confuse things. Bible or scripture is synonymous. Bible from the word biblia simply means book. This very word for book overtime has been used to refer to Christian scripture which contains the Torah and the gospel. So 1) Jesus met the Torah which is part of the Bible. More than 2/3 part actually. And by the time Jesus was here, the Torah had already been canonized and compiled. The Sanhedrin some centuries before Christ had appointed about 72 people to see to it. Study history and say only things you know. Jesus could easily fetch Isaiah in the synagogue because these books were available and they have been canonized. 2) the ancients weren’t mostly illiterates. They passed on knowledge to themselves. They attended the synagogue from young and they memorized as many Bible verses as they can just as muslim children do till now (it’s a practice they inherited from ancient time) kids were home trained to read. Timothy was him trained for example. It then either an intentional lie on your part or ignorance to say the Bible as we know about it now came 300 years after Christ death. The last book of the Bible was written by John an Apostle of christ. By about 50years AD Bible wetting have already been completed. First century Christians had access to the Bible. What happened in 300 ad was canonization. It’s an effort by the church to seave out books that had already started cropping in with pseudo names and formalize the books. Old Testament like I told you had already been canonized.
3) like I told you you may not have basic knowledge of the Bible. -we do not only follow what is explicitly said in the Bible we also follow example and study instances. That’s why a book in the Bible was specifically called ACTS OF THE APOSTLES or PRACTICAL EXAMPLES BY THE APOSTLES. In all of the Bible kids were not baptized. Or we could very much then baptize the death as some churches even do. I tell you that if churches go beyond Bible then boundaries are broken. You won’t just know when to stop. You will be moving away step after step. You notice what you quoted at the last when you said “a shift from former stance”. That is how shifts (gradual or fast) will be happening without something to use to measure which the Bible is. -how can you equate children coming to Jesus to baptism? Jesus made that statement when he castigated people from trying to pursue Children from approaching Jesus to listen to him. Ofcourse children go to church and listen. Children that make informed choices to repent and get baptized aren’t babies. Babies do not have that ability. - and baptism isn’t anything like immunization. It’s a public display of repentance and conversion.
3) are you saying BBC reportage of the Vatican saying they are open to sane sex is wrong? Why living in denial? Aren’t you seeing the church is shifting to accepting this things and hence conforming to the world? Anybody ofcourse can come for blessing. But the church of God will never even envisage joining together man and man
Does the Bible authorize you to confirm people's holiness before allowing them into the Church?
Answer these two questions if you believe your opinion against the Pope is in line with the Bible. If you don't answer the questions, you have no biblical facts against the Pope in this case.
1) no the Pope didn’t say that gay is not a sin.
I do not even know how u brought up that question. I am saying the Pope do not conform with the Bible by baptizing professed gays. Or intending to perform same sex marriage
2) no the Bible does not authorize.
But then the only instances of baptism in the Bible is that of people that have repented. So a priest will not baptize A PROFESSED GAY. I may be gay now and a priest can baptize me so far as I say I have repented. But a priest will not baptize me when I still profess I am a gay or when I remain in sane sex union. It didn’t happen in the bible
Emeraldicon: You're deliberately being ignorant. Jesus is the head of the church and no man can replace that.
The day a Pope will say something contrary to the Bible or teaching of the church, the church which are we the people will reject him and his teaching.
The Pope didn't say the church will wed gay people. Don't just pick up something on the internet and rush to rubbish the church.
This is a church that stood all forms of scandals and it's still standing strong because the gate of hell can't prevail against it.
Kindly watch this to know what exactly the Pope has said and the teaching of the church about marriage.
Marriage is between a man and a woman and no Pope or anyone can change that.
Please endeavor to watch that so not to continue to say what the Catholic Church didn't say.
They only people to bring about any doctrinal change in the church is not the pope but the college of Cardinals even them can't change some certain truths about Christianity.
Emeraldicon: There's no where the Pope said it's possible to join same sex in marriage. What might be possible is baptism.
I don't have strength to argue about other things that Catholics do that's the Bible condemed.
Can you mentioned one place in the Bible that said baptism is only for Adults?
The same Bible said Peter baptized Cornelius and his entire household and it's not very impossible there might be children in that house hold.
Jesus said suffer not the children from coming to me for the kingdom of God is for people like them.
The sole aim of Baptism is to cleanse us from original sin which both kids and adults have.
Secondly the church came before the Bible, there are people who will never be able to have access to the Bible or those who won't be able to read the Bible due to illiteracy. So how do they get to hear the word of God. They do through those God appointed.
The Jews we inherited Christianity (most of our beliefs) from, during Jesus's time don't have the old testament to read, they listen to the scripture when they go to they synagogues.
They Bible is for teaching and reproach but it's not the only authority given by God.
When Jesus was sending the disciples, He even commended them not to take anything with them not even money.
God's law is already engraved in each of our minds.
The instances we have of every baptism in the Bible is that of adults. Jesus the don of God and John the baptism themselves weren’t baptized when they were young though they had access to the temple and synagogue. Every instance is baptism of adults. And it’s this argument of Catholic that Bible is not the only guidance that has made the church not to have boundaries. But Timothy said the Bible is complete and able to reprove and direct. All the early Christians and Bible people were directed by the Bible. Their life conformed with the Bible. The Bible as Gods words was the “lamp” to there feet. And let me tell you, the Bible was before the church. Jesus met the Bible. He quoted the Bible. The church is beget from the word. The word which is the Bible is the stamp on the church. How can I prove this? Jesus said people will know that you are my people if YOU OBEY MY COMMANDMENTS. Where is the commandments? In the Bible. A church that do not follow this is not Christ people. The church is not a Christian and it in actual fact not a church. I have cut out the part we’re the Vatican said the church is open to gay marriage.( Do you read with open mind?) ...In October, he suggested that the Church would be open to bless same-sex couples, as he told a group of cardinals "we cannot be judges who only deny, reject and exclude".
Emeraldicon: The Catholic Church has produced countless of people with impeccable character, even athiest and non Christians can't deny their sanctity.
There's no one saint in the church that even you can question his or her holiness. Today the church still has millions of holy people all over the world.
If you are waiting for the church to start pronouncing saints on Earth then I don't think that will ever happen because ordinarily we are all supposed to be saints on earth
The way you guys can defend things? Who is Roman Catholic Church today? Who is that one person that represent Roman Catholic Church? Who is that one authority? Isn’t it the Pope? He is the head! If the head is sick the whole body is sick. The head of the church (in essence, by implication the church itself) has said transgender and couple in gay union can be baptized and it has said that there can be marriage of gay in the church. What other defense do you have for this? Can you still say this church is Bible based?
immortalcrown: I have been using facts against your emotional points in this arguement. I repeatedly asked you if the Bible instructs you to confirm the righteousness of a person before allowing the person to enter the church. You refuse to answer the question. Let me ask you another question. Should the Pope assume the position of God and cast those he considers sinners away from the church? You have not been able to use any Bible quotation to prove what I said wrong. You are just using your sentiment against the Bible facts that I presented. Point out any biblical instruction that says we should confirm the righteousness of our fellow humans before allowing those fellows to enter the church, and I will agree with you that the Pope should ban gay couple and transgender people from the church. If you're unable to point out that biblical instruction, it clearly means that you wrongly expect the Pope to be in the position of God to cast gay people into hell.
Do not be half wise. Take time to listen to yourself. I do not say gay should be thrown out of the church. Arguing with a lot of people in this modern age is draining as you will just be going in circle. I have answered your questions well all this time. Again: (1) The church like an hospital welcomes all. Gay are welcome. (2) There are things that aren’t for everyone though in the Bible; i, communion are for those that have in their mind ascertain that they are right with God. ii, Baptism is a sign of conversation. How do I know this? It happens everytime in the Bible after people have repented and converted. I can actually give you tens Bible instances to support my argument. *Again so it stick with you. The Pope or pastor do not ban gay or transgender. But the Pope or pastor do not join them together in marriage. * you may baptize somebody that says they have repented and converted, but you do not do like the Pope and baptize a proffers transgender or somebody that’s in a same sex union. Just listen to your argument. No Catholic would have imagined being in your position just a year ago. Catholic on marriage especially was conservative. You do not have to find things to defend everything. Again, have I answered your question or not?
Emeraldicon: The church baptises Sinners but the Bible made it clear that if you say you are with no sin then you are a liar. John 1:18.
The church doesn't baptized us as saints but during baptism we are admonished to reject Satan and all his ways.
The point is the Holy Spirit promises to be with the Church till the end and Jesus won't allow any man, Pope or not to scatter His sheep by promoting false teachings.
The day the Catholic Church permits same sex marriage, then it's not the church of Jesus Christ.
It’s your last statement you should listen to. It’s the number one question you should ask yourself. The Pope as said it’s possible to join same sex together hasn’t he? He has! So it’s the head of that kind of a church a Christian/Christlike? Is the church he heads a Christian church in deed? When will people like you have the courage not only to ask pertinent questions but to react to it? And you may not know the Bible very well. Infact Catholic for years have been practicing things that aren’t Bible based it’s just that with time it is getting more grievous and pronounced. First baptism as obtains in the Bible is for those that have renounced their sins and converted. We had many of them burnt their magic books just before baptism. This Bible fact in itself has first put to question the fundamental Catholic practice of infact baptism. Importantly, sinner in the Bible are not baptized. Please go back and really research the Bible. Quest your church. Roman Catholic like many other church is not bringing out fruits that will make somebody that understand the Bible say it’s a Christian church or Bible based church.
Emeraldicon: We are all Sinners and have fallen short of the Glory of God.
The Catholic Church is not encouraging people to become Gay or Transgender.
What the Pope is trying to do is give room for LGBT community to know they can seek for God who's all Merciful.
The Church will never permit marriage between two same sex. The day that will happen if I'm still alive I will be leaving the Catholic Church.
Secondly when it comes to the matter of doctrine, the Pope doesn't just order Catholics like slaves.
That's why the caveat as long as it doesn't course confusion or scandal. This means the local priests have the final say to decide if the said Trans deserves to be baptized or not.
You might not know his conversation with the priest.
Are you condenming Gay and Trans that they can never repent and come to Jesus? If you are not, then how can they come to Jesus if the church abandon them.
The caveat shouldn’t be as long as it doesn’t cause scandal, it should be as long as it doesn’t go against Bible injunction. Besides what scandal is bigger than the worldwide own that has been caused right now by the position of the Pope. It’s self denial on your part if you say Catholic will never carry out sane sex marriage because the Pope has actually said that it is possible in the near future. The church of God welcomes all still the church of God do not baptize people that are evidently sinners or plan to marry a man and a man.
immortalcrown: I didn't intentionally skip marriage here and I am going to prove it to you now by addressing the issue of marriage and what the Pope said concerning the church allowing the presence of transgender couple. But I hope you won't deny the facts I am going to present now.
The marriage of someone who identifies with the Church deserves the recognition of the Church when the person meets certain requirements. The question now is what are those requirements. The requirements include transparency between the couple and the consent of the parents of each member of the couple. This means that the bride and the groom have to be open (not being dishonest) to each other and each of them has to get the consent of his or her parents for the marriage. Now, transgender people that want the downfall of Christians try possible ways to make the church sin against God. This is why they enter the church to tempt the Christians. If Christians overreact to the presence of transgender people in their midst, it will be a sin on the part of those Christians. This is a case of someone pushing you beyond your limits. If you are wise, you will stay within your limits and resist the urge to go beyond the limits. This is the situation of the Pope. This is why the Pope instructs the church to give those people their doctrinal entitlement which is wedding them, provided those two transgender people that call themselves couple are open to each other and their parents consent to their marriage.
Please, has the Pope in any way said that transgender or gay marriage is not a sin? Also, did the Pope wake up one morning and say those things? They tempted the Pope by asking him certain questions before the Pope made the statements. The Pope knows that transgender and the gay marriage are sinful but he's being careful not to go against God when reacting to the issue. That is why he does not want the church to assume God's position and begin to cast those gay people out. Again, there's a saying that, "If you chase a sinner away, how will he repent". The Catholic teachings tell us that every saint had a past and every sinner has a future. This means that those of us who think we are better than the transgender people now might become worse than them in future and those transgender people might repent before leaving this earth.
Those transgender people understand the Bible and the doctrines of the church more than you do and that is why they manage to subtly do a lot of things to undermine Christianity. That is also why they have entered the church to tempt the Pope because they know the doctrines of the church and the Bible and they know when the Pope goes beyond the doctrines of the church and against the Bible. They are not ignorant of their own actions, they just want you to follow them in going astray.
Listen to your self friend. It took great strength to read through that your write up. You have painted a witless conforming church. A blackmailed church. It’s unthinkable that the first century Christians will join together a man and a man. What is the fear. If a dinner must leave the church let him. It’s the height of sacrilege for the alter of God to be used to join a man and a man. Who is your God friend? You and Roman Catholic Church aren’t people based on the Bible. This is my original argument. You people are people polluting Gods name and alter. A church of God will not judge the same way it won’t join a man and a nan together. Do you read your Bible at all? The same sin sodom was destroyed for in the church? CHAAAAAAIIIIIIII. Devil strong
immortalcrown: The punishment administered by the Church is limited to actions that are within the power of man. Let me give some examples. The Church may punish a member by assigning a back seat to him or her for a certain period of time but will neither declare that the person is no more a member of the congregation nor stop the person from entering the Church building. The Church may sanction a person but will never go to the extent of tampering with the person's salvation by saying that the person is no longer a child of God or that the person will never make heaven. This is why the Church does not deny a baptised member who is no longer a kid the Holy communion, even if that member was caught in the act of sin a moment before the sharing of the Holy communion. The Church only refuses to give the Holy communion to unbaptised adults or baptised children that are below a certain age. In this case, the baptism is a physical demonstration of the person's willingness to be a Christian. Giving an unbaptised member or a baptised infant the Holy Communion is like forcing the person to accept Christianity. This is why the Catholic Church, despite conducting infant baptism on babies, wait for the child to attain a certain age and undergo Catechism before giving the child the Holy Communion. The issue of baptism has to do with salvation. Therefore, there a limit to what the Church should do about baptism. If you willingly undergo the catechism and willingly go for the communion but decide to abuse the baptism and the decommission, you will be punished by God, not by the church. This is why the Pope said what we are discussing now.
Again, you have so expertly avoided marriage. Now to make this simple. Isn’t it the role of a church to not join together same sex person?
immortalcrown: There is no fact you stated here that I have in any way denied. You are the one denying the facts I give.
The duty of the Church is to teach people what is right and what is wrong. It is not the duty of the Church to reward the doers of good and punish sinners. Similarly, the duty of the Church is to ensure that the person that wants to be baptised understands the meaning of baptism and has completed the training required for baptism, and that the baptism is conducted by a priest. It is not the duty of the Church to confirm the righteousness of the person or tell the person that he or she is a sinner who doesn't deserve to be baptised. God is the one that will punish the person if the person gets baptised and decides to abuse the baptism.
You have been dodging my question. Is there any biblical instruction that says the priest should confirm the holiness of a person before baptizing the person? Answer this question. And if you answer is no, what do you have against the Pope in this case? If your answer is yes, point out that biblical principle. Another question is this, did Pope instruct the church to skip the necessary trainings and spiritual recitations that accompany baptism when transgender people are to be baptised? If your answer is yes, what are those trainings and recitations the Pope instructed the church to skip for the transgender people? If your answer is no, what do you have against the Pope in this case? And if your answer is no, you are obviously blaming the Pope for not assuming the position of God to cast some people into hell and direct some people to heaven.
Thank you that you mentioned you haven’t gone against what I have said. The church punishes though my brother by excommunicating. You will start to understand the role of a church when you view as what it is really which is a spiritual family. The church should give truthful guidance and healthy spiritual food. While the church welcomes transgender and gay. The church do not do what the Pope is urging Catholic to do now. Now pay attention. The church by its head the Pope is saying that “transgender and those in same sex” union can be baptized. What more vetting do one need again? To give an illustration. The church may not know if somebody that has shit robbed on his body but with a robe on comes for baptizing. But what the Pope is saying is that baptize someone that has it shit robbed on his robe. Someone that even calls your attention to the shit. You should understand the sacrilegious thing the church is doing now. And I think I have answered your question exhaustively. The priest isn’t confirming anything in catholism now. The Pope is directing them to “baptize transgender and people in gay union”. It’s a specif directive. And you are actually the one dodging issues. You have only based your argument on baptism. How about the marrying of man and man? Is the priest too unable to vet that?
frbona: soldier go, soldier come……. Whether you stay or leave, the church waxes stronger everyday. You believe it’s all rosy and perfect were you are and the leaders of your present church all saints and angels with no shortcomings?! Wake up!
Salvation is a personal race, do not allow one person be the reason you backslide, we all must have faith stronger than that. Those clergymen who commit atrocities will answer to God who called them, as will you, and I, and every single one of us alive or dead.
Do your best and live a Godly life, notwithstanding your denomination or who heads your church. Whether Catholic or winners, be law abiding citizens too while at it.
My peace I leave you
Lies Satan have told. Salvation is more than personal thing. Salvation entails going to join yourself to a spur family that will feed you healthy food. The Bible said something like “go yea out from them and touch not unclean things”. Salvation entails fellowship with brethren that will exhalt u to doing acceptable things. And progress in the sight of God is not about how much a church has or the number of the congregants. Success of a church is if it’s fulfilling its spiritual role which is truthful guidance. Catholic is failing in an epic way in this role
lecoeur: While growing up, sometimes my father takes me out with him and during those times he teaches me certain things that a man should know. Thing is, something happened I can't recall but that thing made him tell me he preferred my younger brother to me (We are 3 boys tho), I even noticed it because he took him out more and bought things for him. I was this kid that's so quite, reserved and always on my own and he never liked that. On the other note, my brother is very agressive have this agbero type of behaviour lol. My dad fell ill and I took care of him both at home and in the hospital to the point of his death I was with him, I didn't take what he said to heart and he never apologized but I did all that because I loved him very much, I saw him as a hero, even the person that he preferred wasn't interested in taking care of him as much as I was. I totally forgot about this whole thing until this my younger Bro accused my Mom of been bias towards him which is true but as the first and oldest son I always stand for him whenever that happens because I know how it feels. Please I urge present and future parents to do better with hiding or avoiding this favourite child thing, it's not really ohk.
When I notice it I do not care. My Dad loved me till his dead. But I see my mum loves our last born more and na him no even care pass. I just excuse my parents because I understand human weaknesses. It’s a human thing to love something more than the other. I do not let it get to me
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