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Interesting to note that Oando is now going through a third rights issue in about 3 years after reporting vey significant loses. I am suprisd no heads have rolled yet and investors are still going to over subscribe to the new offer despite the pice crashing to N6 resulting in loses for investors who have invested in the last 2 rights issue.

I still have concerns for Oando especially given they are yet to impair the assets acquired at the height of the oil price boom from ConocoPhillips.

God did not put us in this position, Nigerians put ourselves in this position.

trillville:
Chai, if only Jonathan had built refineries with the sure-p funds rather than Choping the funds, we may not be in this position today.

Even worse is the fact that yaradua had already put plans in place for building three new refineries before his demise.

God put us in this situation and he will deliver us from it.

I remember reading this a few days ago and read he was returning from Canada and now it has changed to America?

Hey hmohammed, re your post below, in addition to looking at the skilled migrant programs on this forum which has a lot of information, another option you can try concurrently is to try to transfer to the Canadian office of your big 4 firm.

It's not an easy process and requires luck and networking but it is possible. No harm putting your self up for global mobility to Canada within your firm for either a secondment (which can be made permanent) or transfer while networking to find someone in the Canadian firm who can pull you over, and at same time working on the skilled workers programme.


House, please I need advise on steps to be taken to relocate to Canada. I have over 5 years work experience in Nigeria in one of the Big 4 accounting firms in the world. Thank you as you help a brother in need of your experience on the subject matter.

What schools did they attend?

I definitely agree that it is difficult to get a job in the UK no with the changes but my point is it is not a case of the UK will not allow you stay but has raised the bar for those able to stay therefore the days of going to the cheapest university with low to easy entry requirements and banking on post study worker is gone. If your aim is to stay then we must raise the bar if not Canada an australia have more favourable requirements at the moment. I would advise poster to look at Canada or Australia instead of Dubai.

Even with the UK high requirements, it is still a better option that Dubai to me.

onila:
most of my friends that studied in the UK are all back in Naija

and I know many were gifted students yet cldnt stay

No exactly true. The UK will allow you stay if you get a job with a company who sponsors you. This means attending good universities and being competitive enough to get into such companies who can pay the salary threshold.

if the poster is targeting good schools and believes he is competitive enough he can definitely work in the UK but if he is targeting just the ok schools which are cheap and have easy entry requirements then he will probably not be competitive enough for the top companies able to sponsor for work permit then the UK is not an attractive option.

I do not think Dubai is more attractive than the UK for international students at all. The universities in the UK are better than Dubai and there are far more job opportunities in the UK but you need to be aware that there is a lot more competition from not only Europeans but many other nationalities such as China, India etc

onila:
but UK wont let u stay n work

No that's not the Nigerian Embassy in London.

Nigeria house in London is in a corner building and doesn't have a wall like the one in the pic.

Capnd143:
that's Nigeria embassy in uk

He already fought for Britain in the commonwealth and is regarded as a future British heavyweight champion.

ikbnice:
more belts to you waist ... Hope he claims Nigerian nationality before we begin pouring accolade on another lost talent.

It all depends on your objectives after your Msc.

South Bank is not a good university in m opinion but depending on where you are coming from and where you are going it may or may not work for you. If you have better options I woke consider if not then it's what it is.

I would rate South Bank with London Met and East London universities, and considering our new finance minister attended East London it's not all doom I guess.

imbobby:
Does anyone know anything about London South Bank University... am actually interested in their MSc in Business Intelligence and Social media and MSc in International Management and thinking of applying but been hearing some bad talk in other forums about the school.

As you may be aware there was a story a few weeks ago about an organisation claiming nigerians could no longer be deport the from the UK as we are commonwealth citizens.

Well what you may not know is some gullible Nigerians have been spending money buying commonwealth cards based on the claims and this is just a way to scam us.

See attached letter from the UK Home Office relating to this matter.

I am surprised anyone actually believed the claims and spent money on this to avoid being deported. Desperation I guess but throwing this out there so we don't waste our money.

https://www.nairaland.com/2715553/breaking-story-nigerians-no-longer

Wow, compared to the number of applicants it will be tough. I was even thinking it was up to 100.

Dongreat:
Spot on man. It's about 35 or sometimes 36 and a total of about 8-12 is awarded by the CSC after going tru every details including admission requirements. But if one is nominated by FSB, the chance of being awarded by CSC is roughly 70% as they take into consideration that such applicants perform best than their peers .

Funny video about when he told his dad he was cast in star wars

https://www.facebook.com/Wornies/videos/1667036353581762/

It is definitely possible for Nigeria to replicate China's economic success, but many many changes need to be made not just at the top but with ordinary Nigerians.

One line that struck home the most in this article was the one below about our reaction to when things go wrong. We continually accept lower and lower standards to the extent we do not really know what is right or wrong anymore. We just shrug and accept, shrug and accept and that must change. There are many things that happen in Nigeria where in a country like China there will be consequences, but in Nigeria we find a way to justify it. Nigerians must go though a fundamental change in mentality for Nigeria to achieve such success.

Also one thing we need to consider when comparing both countries is it was easier for China because it is a communist regime where the party can enforce policies by force. Nigeria being a democratic nation will require a lot more work, cajoling, comprising across parties and with the different levels of government as well as good and change management to be able to implement similar changes.

Rikidony:
I say believe because the audio on the state broadcast briefly cut out.
In China, an audio glitch at such an important event would cause heads to roll in shame. In Nigeria, people roll their eyes and shrug it off.

It is just one small example of how the Chinese are known for getting things done, while in Nigeria there is a reputation for cutting corners.

Very true. And even football is not properly invested in at the grass roots to develop future players.

damton:
Football seems to have overshadowed all other sporting activities in Nigeria.

That's how it happens in China. That is what we need.

RickRichards:
If I were president, corrupt officials would be summarily executed on the regular. Okay, maybe not summarily, and maybe I won't execute them, but they will live to rue the day they erred.

Hahahaha I will. Need to look for my FBI lecture notes

adonbilivit:
probe him and get back to us(nairalanders). lalasticlala take note

But how do we know if the puppy wasn't stolen?

adonbilivit:
at least his hustle is legit.

Spot on.

And this is ignoring the fact that it will probably take some years for the entrepreneurs to build their business and have such steady revenue which at that time the bankers or other workers will not still be earning entry level pay.

Entrepreneurship is good for those who have the skills and ability for it, but it is wrong to give the impression that every entrepreneur is successful or wealthy. Many entrepreneurs make it and many don't same as many white collar types make it and many don't.

Also pushing everyone into entrepreneurship is very bad for the future of the country as critical areas such as science, medicine etc are ignored as everyone pursues money through business.

Many so called entrepreneurs in Nigeria have the wrong mindset as it is all about the money with no passion for service or desire to make a difference. Successful entrepreneurs are not just motivated by money but by the impact they can make in their chosen market.

Some people her eon nairaland also seem to have this impression that owning your business means you can sleep late and work whenever you want. Hell no, you work when your customers need you to work if not you go out of business. Owning your business brings about increased risks and requires a lot of work to build the business.

Nihilist:
This article is so wrong I dont even know where to begin

1. The average employee typically works a 5 day week or roughly 20 days in month. I completely disgree with the premise of the OP's dubious calculations, but even if the calculations were grounded in some sort of logic, shouldn't the OP be dividing by 20 instead of 30?

2. The OP also misses the point by comparing an employee and his steady income to Hawkers,Truckers etc with their irregular cash flow. Again I doubt the veracity of his stats with regards to the earnings of hawkers, truckers and co, but even if the stats were true, The OP still fails to consider that even though the Hawker could earn 2000 Naira in a day, he/she is not guaranteed an income of 120k per month unlike the Banker

The crux of the OP's assertion is Business Owners have the potential to earn more than employees. The OP fails to consider the level of risk that these entrepreneurs are exposed to.

For the vast majority of people, it is better to go to work and be guaranteed your 300k monthly salary jejely, than to go and out hustle with no true knowledge of when the next paycheck is coming.

Interesting how 10 years later we are still having this discussion.

During a recession your first steps are to eliminate waste aka why countries like the UK adopted austerity measures then look for growth to kick start the economy.

She makes sense, if she can truly achieve it is another kettle of fish.

obasiken:
Saving during recession. Lol. Think of how to generate money not how to save oil money. Dumb leaders

Really?

But he would be fulfilled if he remained in Nigeria facing failed dreams and struggling right?

shadrach77:
He can never feel fulfilled no matter what he achieves for Quatar

Ok sorry. Let's ignore education and see what the future holds for Nigeria.

Ignore investment in science and technology and spend all our money and time in church and keep praying and hoping for a bright future

anonimi:
Since you have identified mass education as the key, what sacrifice can you make for your own tribe to be all educated as Awo did for Yorubas in the 50s. You don't have to do it for Nigeria.

Why do you think Indians are not being killed compared to blacks? Because they focus on education and hard work compared to many black communities in america where they drop out of school and get into drugs.

Please tell me how many of the blacks killed were educated people who worked hard and abide by the rules. the boy Laquan Mcdonald for whom there are protests going on in Chicago now, was he a law abiding boy taking advantage of the free education available? Were his parents people to look up to in society? Didn't he just rob a store?

besides I find the black lives matter movement to be discriminatory. a few white people have been killed by the police in the last few months as well and not one single peep from them, but when a black criminal is killed they bring out his best and most innocent photo and start protesting. i think the police shootings have more to do with police heavy handedness and over reaction that racism. Not saying there are not racially motivated killings but it's more a case of heavy handedness.

Please tell me of one black person who was law abiding working hard who got shot by the police. I have been treated far better by the police in the US than I have ever been in Nigeria. They greet me how you doing sir? You know why? because I do not go around committing crimes and acting dodgy and threatening people.

No matter how great Nigeria will be there will always be people moving in and out of the country. I have not said do not develop Nigeria but the reason should not be because you claim everyone is a second class citizen abroad and will automatically be a first class citizen in Nigeria. Also how do you expect people to sacrifice to help develop the country when we have a such an unbalanced society where it is not based on justice or fairness but on who has more money or knows the right people. I will gladly sacrifice for Nigeria if I know my sacrifice will be allowed to make a difference not wasted by some selfish tribalists all after their own personal gain.

anonimi:
How many Indians are wasted regularly by the police in America compared to BLACKS?
How many
How many Indians are in America's jails compared to BLACKS?
How many
How does the ECONOMY of India compare to that of ANY black African country?
How
What % of what Indians USE daily do you estimate is developed, improved and PRODUCED in their own country vis-a-vis for Africans?
What %
How does this translate into respect for the individual's reference group/race?

When shall we stop deceiving ourselves and get BUSY to develop our OWN societies?
When

Please let's stop deceiving ourselves with this talk of second class citizens.

I know many people in Nigeria who are second class citizens in their own country.

Countries like the US are so diverse and people from every nationality make it so if you are well educated, work hard and have dreams you can achieve them.

Im not saying there are not issues of racism but it's not as bloom out as we like to claim here and is it any worse than the tribalism we practice in Nigeria? We practice so much discrimination in Nigeria based on tribe religion etc.

If Indians had same attitude will we have Indians heading companies such as Google, Pepsi, Microsoft, former citi ceo, MasterCard just to name a few.

Many many Nigerians re suffer if worse than second class citizens in Nigeria so stop playing that card.

anonimi:
Yea,right.
They will grow up in oyinbo country where they will be permanently second class citizens!
Wow, congrats
You better wake up to YOUR responsibility to make your COUNTRY better, otherwise....

My brother that is the sad irony. On one hand though I can feel where our people are coming from after years and years of public office holders abusing their positions to loot funds, it creates an attitude of why pay taxes when it will just be stolen.

But I agree we need to change that mindset especially in light of falling oil prices and we also need to have accountability so people are confident that the taxes they pay are used properly.

We have a long way to go but we can get there only if we are ready to work and sacrifice together for the good of the country.

Bollinger:
Which Nigerian don't believe in or want. What an irony. Nigerians want to be like the developed world, but don't want to do or accept the things that make the developed world successful. Ok.

It's a public school so it's free funded by taxes.

Madeu:
What is the tuition fees?

And Nigerians care for their country by exploiting their own citizens?

Why are you expecting the UK to be the one enforcing Nigerian laws? You mention France and its former colonies, do you know how much influence France still maintains in those countries and the benefits France gets? If the UK tried to play same role France plays with its former colonies you will about that they should get out and leave Nigeria alone that we are independent.

Well being independent means you are also responsible for maintaining law and order in Nigeria not the UK government.

sharonbaron:
. I don't blame the british government they have never cared for this country they are only interested in exploiting us even as an independent country if this incident were to happen in a francophone country by now thee french government would have taken steps to bring the perpetrators to book

Please explain how ride the UK is taking you for?

They are deporting people from their country who have no legal right to be there and this is ALL illegal immigrants irrespective of nationality not just Nigerians.

Interesting how you have just tried to justify the corruption, stealing and wickedness in Nigeria by trying to blame the UK. Typical, it always UK or US fault but never Nigeria.

No matter what type of diplomat you want to get the UK have the right to deport illegal immigrants from their country same as Nigeria has that right as well. Only difference is Nigeria do not enforce their laws.

MosquitoLaps:
I've got nothing more to say than this:
Our foreign policy needs urgent review.
GEJ's policy economic diplomacy should be broadened to include carrot and stick approach.
Since the Brits do not want quiet bargaining from a fellow member of the Commonwealth, its time to demonstrate our anger.

I mean, what nonsense is this?
We have diplomats there, abi?
Our politicians have failed us!
This is what happens when you appoint political sycophants and thugs as ambassadors and High Commissioners.
Britain has been taking us for a ride for too long, and I think this is the perfect opportunity for the new minister of foreign affairs to seer Nigerian foreign policy to the right direction.

God bless diplomacy.
God bless Nigeria.

This has got nothing to do with mockery but simly following their laws.

Even Americans who are illegal in the UK will be deported and vice versa so we need to stop acting like this is targeted at Nigerians.

Nigeria also has every right to enforce it's laws and deport any illegal immigrants in the country. Nigerians and other nationals who are in the UK legally are in no danger of being deported.

Bugatie:
So Nigeria has become a mockery in the comity of nations that UK will wake up and depart our country men just like that.

And one wonders the gain of Buhari's continous trip abroad since assumption of office.

Do we still have government in this country?

Calm down and look at it logically. Put aside sentiments because he is your friend. You say he had a gun because everything is hot everywhere, really? I lived in the UK over 10 years before moving to the US and I never had or know any one who had a gun so if he got a gun illegally then he committed an offence and is a criminal full stop.

I sympathize with him as your friend but that doesn't mean what he did is right.

Yes the UK have every right to send him back to Nigeria if he cannot get his act together and be a law abiding citizen so i don't get this entitlement mentality you have that the Nigerian government should not have accepted him.

He is in the US now right, please tell go commit another offence

Shymm3x:
Brev, can you read? Everything I posited is self-explanatory but cos you talk more than you listen, or probably cos comprehension isn't ya forte you keep jumping everywhere.

A lot of you are just terrible human beings and the only thing you came on the thread for is basically to gloat over the mishap of others and laugh at their expense.

I've a friend who was sent to naij last year despite the fact that he has been in the UK from year 2 in school, as a kid. He also has a kid (had the kid at age 19). He was the only one born in naij in his family. All cos he was arrested with a firearm for trying to protect himself - due to how hot everywhere was. He was never an illegal immigrant but his legal status was revoked by the home office cos he was deemed a threat to the society. He paid his debt to the society. Finished Uni with a 2.1 degree and his probation officer certified that he had moved on from that lifestyle. Yet the home office kept troubling him. Even after his legal status was revoked, he went to court three times and he won, yet the home office kept re-appealing. Last year they just took him to Nigeria cos fvcking Nigerian government allowed it to happen.

The only thing that saved him was cos he also has an Irish passport his mum got from him time ago and he moved to America with that. If not for that he'd still be in Nigeria now. Regardless, he can't come to the UK to see his kid. And there are loads of people like him who have been messed up the same way.

Listen, I don't know what you want - just go away. And next time don't jump into every discourse to expose ya ignorance.

I'm out.

You want me to Cite example of minor deported alone or with parents?

I never said minors are deported alone but anyway have fun and don't insulting people simply because they disagree with you.

Shymm3x:
I'm sorry, since you can cite any example, I'll have to end the conversation here.

Cheers.