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BuddhaPalm:
The Black Death wiped out 75m — 200m people.

And God didn't come then?

And I read that the Black Death also came from China in those days.

Dey there dey deceive yourself...na dat go save you? lol.

Tumbulum:
Reading the book of Revelation already.

edoairways:
Has OAU remove those bottlenecks?

No. The forms are still there.

ENG0701:
I don't think that it has anything to do with the protest. The reason is in the last paragraph. Almost 20% of Nigerians that visit the US end up stating illegally.

Actually, this news above is incomplete. It was stated that it is due to security reasons on international news like Aljazeera. Even look at the complete list Nigeria was grouped with, you will shake your head

Good morning Nigeria.


Just saw it on Aljazeera...so, apply before February 21,and the massive denial will plenty.

You can confirm, but to help you https://www.worldpulse.com/community/users/olutosin/posts/35725

TAO11:
To the extent that I know, Yoruba tribal marks practitioners are called: "Alábe", "Alábàjà", or "Oníkolà" (aka "Oónkolà" ). I have never heard them being called: "Oló-òlà"

I am aware that Yoruba language is quite diverse and for that reason I am giving you some benefits of doubt. I am already consulting with an Ibadan elder on "Oló-òlà", if it's a Yoruba word, and what it means if it is one. I will revert to you in due course on my find.


But in any case, I already stated that even if you were correct about all your translations and interpretations of this Yoruba saying, you are still very, very far away from establishing anything specifically about Tiger from your interpretation/translation of this Yoruba saying.

The most conclusion you are able to draw from this saying, even if your translation/interpretation is correct, is that:

"Ogidan" is a "ferocious" beast. No more, no less.

And obviously, "ferociousness" is not a quality peculiar and unique to the "Tiger".

All the big cats are ferocious, viz. Lion, Tiger, Leopard, Jaguar, Panther, Cougar, Cheetah, et al.

In sum, you have not been able to demonstrate that "Ogidan" is "Tiger" even on the assumption that your interpretation/translation of the Yoruba saying was correct.

Go and ask any elder that is close to you that what is the meaning of oloola, or if there is any occupation like that....just for curiosity, someone who knows Yoruba very well. I won't say more than that.

And it is used to describe the ferocious nature of the animal...ila is like tribal marks....so, it is just referring to animal attacks, either adults or even kids. So, it doesn't have a knife before it marks like it wants to give you a tribal mark.

TAO11:
You're absolutely right on the "Ijù" part. I slipped on that.

"Ol'ólàa'ju" is indeed a contraction of "Ol'ólà-Ijù". And "Ijù" truly means "wild/forest". Thank you for your correction on that.

However I object to your other points as follows:

1. The "circumciser" in Yoruba culture is called "Alábẹ" NOT "Ol'ola".

You've simply come up with your personal Ol'ola meaning/connection in order to bolster the sentiment that Ogidan is Tiger.

In Yoruba language "Ol'ólà" (with the same intonation) always means "the Noble one".

2. The so-called addition of "a kọ Ọmọ ní ilà lai lo abẹ" to the saying: "Ogidan: Ol'oola'ju" is obviously untrue.

There is no such addition to the saying. Moreover, An animal doesn't "incize" children.

"Akperan lai labe" is what you probably meant as the addition.

3. Lastly, even if all your interpretations/translations above are actually correct (which is obviously not entirely correct as has been shown); you are still about to demonstrate how Ogidan is Tiger from these saying(s).

4. What is more accurate in the final analys, therefore, is the saying: "Ògìdán Ol'ólàa'jù: Akperan lai labe". --- meaning: "Ogidan the noble one of the wild --- who slays animals without a knife".

5. What is more accurate also is that this Yoruba description of Ogidan (as the noble one of the wild) gels more with other Yoruba sayings about the Lion (e.g. The king of all beasts) than it may ever be thought to gel with Yoruba sayings about the Ekun.

Moreover, no Yoruba saying about the Ekun ever places Ekun above the Lion or above all beasts as the Yorubas clearly do with the Lion (i.e. Kiniun --- Oba Eranko)

The highest placement the Yorubas give to the Ekun in all their sayings is that the Ekun is "less" than or equal to the Lion, e.g. "Kaka ki Kiniun Se Atokun Ekun, Kaluku A Yamo Se Ode re Loto-Oto".

Even this foregoing saying when examined closely shows a subtle acknowledgement of superiority for the Lion above the Ekun, at least in the worldview of the Yorubas.

In sum, the Ekun is never once described, by the Yorubas, as being superior to the Lion or all other beasts.

In light of this knowing, the Yoruba description of the Ogidan in such paramount and absolute terms (i.e. "The noble one of the wild" ) makes it obvious that the Yorubas refer to the Lion in that description.

Ògìdán is therefore Kìnìún --- Lion. Q. E. D.

And that's because they were documented. If they weren't, you won't know. And that's just an assumption.

Ekealterego:
Well, in biology, you can also trace historical distribution of animals or even reconstruct extinct animals, as far as research is concerned, there is no proof that Tigers lived as far down as West Africa or anywhere in the continent.

Although part of the felidae family, the ancestors of the tigers migrated more than 2 million years ago to Asia and that's where to evolved into what they are today.

In conclusion, Tigers were never at any point part of African wildlife.

P.S. Of course there are still proof of Asiatic lions or the Atlas Lions. No one ever disputes that.

I can't repeat myself on this topic, but I will say this, stop using the present to judge the past...stop making that mistake. The terrain of the present is far different from the past in wildlife, nature, and richness of animal species. We only have 3900 tigers in the world. The Caspian tiger is no more; the lions in the Middle East are no more, the dodo bird is no more, and so on. If you come late into a region, whatever you meet there is what you will say is native to that place (even though some things might have been there before). Let's assume tigers are not native here, but Ibaaka (camel, popularly called rakunmi by Muslims) is not native here too, but Yoruba has a name for it.

Don't just assume ancient Yorubas did not observe them up close. Go as far back as 12th-13th century, even so far back, not 18th, 19thc. Go as far back as ancient Egypt, the darling of the whole world. Ibon (gun) is not native to ancient Yorubas but was given a name and witnessed up close. You always ignore transcultural and transborder influences and experiences. So many options. Expand your thinking.

macof:
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It appears you don't take into account that Yoruba animals have oríkì

Ogidan is Kìnnìún
"Ogidan olola iju" cannot refer to tiger because ancient yorubas did not observe tigers as tigers did not exist in their sphere of contact

TAO11:
All Yoruba sayings about Ogidan points to the fact that Ogidan is Kiniun

The Yorubas believe that "Kiniun L' oba Eranko" --- meaning: "The Lion is the king of all beasts."

[s]In contrast to the foregoing, the Yorubas also add: "Ogidan Ol'olaaju" --- meaning: "Ogidan: the noblest (of all beasts)."[/s]

The superlative equivalence gives the answer away very apparently.

Ogidan is Kiniun --- Lion.

Ol'olaaj--break it down...Olóòlà Ijù. Olóòlà is an occupation in old Yoruba culture who gives out circumcision to children or pple. Ijù is "wild" "forest"....
It means tiger, the circumciser of the forest....they added, a kọ Ọmọ ní ilà lai lo abẹ (who gives incision to children without a blade).
Cc VanTee20

EDIT: they say ekun is leopard.

It is called Ìbaaka in Yoruba..camel...but the Yoruba Muslims borrowed from the Arabic tongue called it Rakunmi

macof:
. Elephant is not an original English word

Just as Rakumi (camel) is not an original Yoruba word

Some have suggested Taiga for the Yoruba word for Tiger

That is the Igbo language. The Yorubas for a reason best known to them have specific names for things...even to the point of panegyrics.....like I quoted someone, don't tell me all the animals we have now in Eastern Nigeria are what we used to have. We often make the mistake of using the present to judge the past, forgetting that the present is so much different from the past in the quality of wildlife, nature, and richness of animal species. Lions were once found in the Middle East, but if I were to argue, I would say No, since we don't have them around, it can't be. Thank God for empires who left relics of their symbols.

Some of you forget that Egypt was once an empire, and if we argue that we were somehow connected to ancient Egypt, then know some of our ancestors have seen these animals, and rightly so, named them.

AkpaMgbor:
But tigers are only found in Asia and some parts of eastern Europe..no single documentation of tigers in the entire continent of Africa. So ekun can’t be tiger..you can’t name what you never saw..in igbo language, the scholars have unanimously agreed to call all spotted and striped big cats Agu...since the original Agu was the leopard native to west African forests..but increased knowledge has made us to realise that there are animals outside our region which we had no native names for(obviously)..

People make the mistake of using the present to judge the past, forgetting that the present isn't the same as the past for so many reasons due to climate change and the activities of men. And you are making the same mistake. It is like saying lions didn't exist in the Middle East, forgetting desertification and all. Just 3,900 tigers are remaining in the whole world.

Ekealterego:
Wrong analysis.... People from the SE also mix these things up... Some for long also refer to the Tiger as Agu.. Which is very wrong!
Tigers didn't exist anywhere in Africa, neither did west Africans travel all the way to Russia and India, in the olden days to come back with a name of an animal that didn't exist anywhere on their continent.

Mind you, we have these names in our folklores... Another pointer! So tell me, how did you come up with names of animal in your folklore that existed in far away Russia and India?

Leopards, Lions and Cheetah are native to Africa. So it is not possible that Ekun will be Tiger. Not possible!

That's wrong. Many of you don't even know that the landscape that we have now isn't the same millennials or centuries ago. The forest/wildlife has changed, and even tigers are almost extinct if not for the swift response of the global conservation efforts, and you know we have a lot of hunters in ancient Yoruba milieu. Just like lions were once seen in the Middle East, but no more.

Ẹkùn is Tiger....ògìdàn olóólà ijú, a kọ ọmọ ní ilà láì lo abẹ (the strong circumciser of the forest that gives an incision to a child without a blade).

Àmọ̀tẹ́kùn is Leopard láti ọjọ́ aláyé ti dáyé.

Kìnnìún is Lion.

Some said Cheetah is Ọ̀wàwà which I doubt. It's a close relation to a dog I think (not Kọ̀lọ̀kọ̀lọ̀). There is a saying, tí gbogbo ẹranko bá ń ké n'gbó, ti Ọ̀wàwà là gbọ́ jù (When all animals cry in the forest, it is that of Ọ̀wàwà we hear the most/supercedes all).

somehow:
OK dig further

The name Amotekun is a name that was created from an existing name called Ekun

Meaning, it came to being because of having similar attributes to the animal bearing Ekun that exist in Africa and seen before by Yoruba forefathers.

Tiger is not native to Africa just like Kangaroo being only in Australia

Maybe the boss's husband dey f.uvk the maid via rape sef, reason she is paranoid, but op fumble...mind your business next time...ladies are not that interesting. When you know this truth, it will save you from a lot of things. Also, it might be a planned work.

Cc. ambassadorgozie

Sundaaaaay:
First bank is the best, you will be credited within 36 hrs plus. And the charges is 13.9+1.89+0.5% of the payment (euro) which is approximately (80+ euro)
Good luck

While Transferwise is within minutes,and their charges are lower than bank rates. Very low.

Somstevee:
Good day all.
Please what is the easiest way to fund BA.
Wished to fund using Domiciliary account but the bank (Zenith/Gtb) said that the maximum amount to pay into my domiciliary account is 1000€ weekly and I don't have much time on me.


All the Bureau the Chargers I went to said that they don't have euro in their account to transfer to mine and it is an issue to me.



Please I will appreciate it if a solution is provided soon.

Use Transferwise and save yourself the headache of these archaic means. Verify your account and do the needful. You can chat them up on Twitter.

Stallion93:
1 of the most reasonable comments here, U seem like someone with lots of sense and a heart. Please i wish to travel to any of those scandinavian countries u mentioned, Nigeria is not inhabitable, What country would u suggest with reasons please and How much will it cost me? Please send me a mail so we can talk

Well, I can only tell you a few things about what I discovered from research. I recommend reading Quora comments because they're firsthand experiences by expatriates and immigrants about these countries. Very interesting and reasonable. Apart from what I mentioned about Finland, one thing all of them agreed on is that the language is hard. Among the Scandinavian countries (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, & Sweden), preferences are given to Sweden and Norway. Both are oil producing countries with natural resources. They're rich in a way.

However, Norway is said to be expensive but wages are good too. Many are of the opinion that you will enjoy Sweden more because the language is easy to pick, they're liberal, innovative, and a lot of opportunities. Swedes are not that "judgy" and are willing to assist you and flow with you. They also have more international connections among the Scandinavians. Some even suggest you can be in boundary towns and work in Norway.

You can check this Quora discussion. There are many like it: https://www.quora.com/Which-is-better-to-live-Sweden-Denmark-or-Norway

So, based on popular poll, I would say Sweden among the five, but if you don't care about the "expensiveness" of Norway, it is also good. There are Nigerians there. They can tell us their experience about the cost of living.

gabazin080:
thanks very much for this information. I think I should just stay here and start a business with the 500k

You can as well go on Employer's Sponsored visa if you are lucky.

It varies on the airline you choose, but 500k is not enough. Checking on Qatar airways alone, with stops, the price is around 1511 USD which is about 543k...and so on. I don't recommend Finland much, Try Sweden, Norway or other Scandinavian countries. I am not sure you can survive the cold, and the country does not have any natural resources except water and woods. But to get ticket for Finland, 500k is more than enough for plane flight. However, the question is migration which involves housing, feeding, settling down. So, capital no. Like KendrickAyomide said, 2m should land you pending the time you get a job fast which is not guaranteed.

gabazin080:
with the situation of the country am thinking of finding a way out of this nation. is 500k enough to move to Canada or Finland. what are my chances of getting a job as a school cert holder or is there a business 200k can start over there

seborrhic:
He didn't address the purported sack in the EKSUTH and other specifically mentioned parastatals.
Or the state labour congress don't know what they are saying or it's members?

Heard about it.

Basher8583:
US is not freindly for now and I need to be honest about this.

OK, but let me give it a try.

Basher8583:
Well that's your choice and it cant be taken from you. I wish you well on your plan though. Migrants make it out of thier country of origin but not without its ups and downs. It will take some years for you to get your feet.
Well Im a us citizen but I prefer to be in Naija. My mum got robbed. They snatched her bag at the subway and lost all her credit cards and other sensitive docs. When she reported to the nearest police. Who could have given him a chase, they did nothing. That's the society there that they are not telling you. Once you're black no one cares about you there.
Unless you wanna decieve yourself, it can never be like home.
Wish you well

No migration is easy, except you're already made. I did my M.A in Diaspora studies, so I know most things needed to be known. What you mentioned is not surprising, the racial ladder. In fact, the case of Chicago, and the homelessness in New York is now something else. Also, you know that crime rate in cities is higher than in less urban centres. Same thing goes for Lagos and some other cities in Nigeria. I don't live in the city here, and I rarely hear such bad happenings like people in Lagos experience daily. I understand you well. Home is negotiable. Nostalgia is imminent. And I never intend of saying bye bye forever.


Anyway, broz. How can you help me since you're original Americana. I wan move. Let me too come broaden my experience....

Basher8583:
Must you migrate.

Just for better prospects. If I were desperate, I would have some 10, 9 years ago, but I feel it is the right time to give it a try just for the future. Nigeria may turn out good, but before then, I need something better. If you can't offer me something good, won't I go somewhere else? There are a lot of folks out there with their postgraduate degrees that are walking the streets. Sorry, if God says I will be out there, I will be. Migration is good. Give it a try if you have the ability.

Beautyaddy:
Try Canada, Australia...even the UK.

I will pick Australia and UK, but I heard the cold in Canada na die, and their social life is next to dead (not that I'm an extrovert), but the already shrinking jobs is worrisome.

sureheaven:
Good one though I'm a US citizen but will prefer to come any moment from now.

US would have been nothing compared to Nigeria if our leaders both past and present had done well. Also there weather here is flexible and fragile, it attract all sort of sickness, they don't have food like we have in Nigeria.

Finally, the issue of gun violence is becoming rampant that no government can curb for life.
Two days ago, a guy was killed in my apartment.

Nigeria shall be great again.

Are you serious? Na wa o. Which area can you suggest migrating to apart from the US?

Anyone who can please connect me with a job here. I need a federal job (I have an M.A. degree).

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