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Christianity Etc › Pope Francis Gives Another Interview by Ubenedictus(op): 1:06pm On Oct 09, 2013

At Asisi pope francis gave another interview, please drop your reactions.Here is a translation of the young people’s questions and of Pope Francis’ answers. YOUNG PEOPLE’S QUESTIONS TO THE HOLY FATHER 1. FAMILY Nicola and Chiara Volpi (Perugia-Citta della Pieve) We live in a society where well-being is at the center, to amuse oneself and think of
oneself. To live matrimony as young Christians is complex; to open oneself to life is a
challenge and a frequent fear. As a young couple we feel the joy of living our marriage,
but we experience the daily effort and challenges. How can the Church help us, how can
our pastors support us, what steps are we also called to take? 2. WORK Danilo Zampolini (Spoleto-Norcia) and David Girolami (Foligno) The general economic crisis of these last years has also caused situations of hardship
and poverty in Umbria. The future appears uncertain and menacing. The risk is also to
lose hope, together with economic security. How should a young Christian look at the
future? What path should we choose to build a society worthy of God and worthy of
man? 3. VOCATION Benedetto Fattorini (Orvieto-Todi) and Maria Chiaroli (Terni-Narni-Amelia) What should I do in life? How and where should I use the talents that the Lord has given
me? Sometimes we are attracted by the idea of the priesthood or of consecrated life, but
immediately fear arises. And then, such a commitment: “forever”. How can we
recognize God’s call? What would you advise someone who wants to dedicate his life
to the service of God and to brothers? 4. MISSION Luca Nassuato (Assisi-Nocera Umbra-Gualdo Tadino), Mirko Pierli (Citta di Castello) and
Petra Sannipoli (Gubbio) It’s lovely to be here together with you and to hear your words which encourage us
and warm our heart. The Year of Faith, which will end in a few weeks, proposed to all
believers again the urgency of the proclamation of the Good News. We also want to
take part in this exciting adventure. But how? What can our contribution be? What
must we do? THE HOLY FATHER’S ANSWERS Dear Young People of Umbria, Good evening! Thank you for coming, thank you for this celebration. This is really a celebration! And
thank you for your questions. I’m happy that the first question was that of a young couple – a beautiful witness! Two
young people who have chosen, who decided, with joy and courage to form a family.
Yes, because it is in fact true that you need courage to form a family! Courage is needed!
And your question, young spouses, is linked to that of vocation. What is matrimony? It
is a true and proper vocation, as are the priesthood and the religious life. Two Christians
who marry have recognized in their history of love the call of the Lord, the vocation of two, male and female, to become only one flesh, only one life. And the Sacrament of
Matrimony envelops this love with the grace of God, it roots it in God Himself. With this
gift, with the certainty of this call, one can begin with certainty, there is no fear of
anything, everything can be faced together! We think of our parents, of our grandparents and great-grandparents: they were
married in conditions that were much poorer than ours, some in time of war, or of post-
war; some were emigrants, such as my parents. Where did they find the strength? They
found it in the certainty that the Lord was with them, that the family is blessed by God
with the Sacrament of Matrimony, and that the mission is blessed to bring children into
the world and to educate them. With these certainties they surmounted even the hardest tests. They were simple but true certainties; they were the columns that
supported their love. Their life wasn’t easy; there were problems, so many problems.
But these simple certainties helped them to go forward. And they succeeded in making
a beautiful family, in giving life, in seeing their children grow up. Dear friends, this moral and spiritual basis is needed to build well -- solidly! Today this
basis is no longer guaranteed by families and by social tradition. In fact, the society in
which you were born privileges individual rights rather than the family – these
individual rights -- it privileges relations that last so long as problems don’t arise, and
because of this sometimes there is talk of the relationship of couples, of the family, of
marriage in a superficial and mistaken way. Suffice to watch certain television programs and these values are seen! How many times a parish priest – I also heard it sometimes –
receives a couple that comes to get married and says to them: “But do you know that
marriage is for your whole life?” “O, we love one another so much, but … we will stay
together as long as our love lasts. When it ends, one will go one way and the other
another.” It is egoism: when I don’t feel it, I break the marriage and forget that “one
flesh,” which cannot be divided. It’s risky to marry, it’s risky! It is egoism that menaces us, because within all of us there is the possibility of a double personality: one that says
“I free, want this” … “I, me, with me, for me …” Always egoism, which turns away and
is unable to open to others. The other difficulty is this culture of the provisional: it seems
that nothing is definitive. Everything is provisional. As I said earlier: hum, love while it
lasts. Once I heard a seminarian --who was good – who said: “I want to become a
priest, but for ten years. Then I’ll think about it again.” It’s the culture of the provisional, and Jesus didn’t save us provisionally, he saved us definitively! However, the Holy Spirit always elicits new answer to the new exigencies! And thus
ways were multiplied in the Church for engaged couples, courses of preparation for
Marriage, groups of young couples in parishes, family movements … They are a huge
richness! They are points of reference for all: young who are seeking, couples in crisis,
parents in difficulty with their children and vice versa. All are helped! And then there are
the different forms of reception: entrustment, adoption, family-houses of various types … The imagination – I allow myself the word – the imagination of the Holy Spirit is
infinite, but it’s also very concrete! Now I would like to say to you not to be afraid “to
take definitive steps” – don’t be afraid to take them. How many times I’ve heard
mothers say to me: “But, Father, I have a 30-year-old son who isn’t married: I don’t
know what to do! He has a beautiful girlfriend, but he doesn’t decide.” But, Madam,
don’t iron his shirts anymore! It’s like this! Don’t be afraid to take definitive steps, such as that of marriage: deepen your love, respecting the times and expressions, pray,
prepare yourselves well, but then trust that the Lord doesn’t leave you alone! Make him
come into your home as one of the family. He will always support you. The family is the vocation that God has written in man’s and woman’s nature, but there
is another vocation that is complementary to marriage: the call to celibacy and to
virginity for the Kingdom of Heaven. It’s the vocation that Jesus himself lived. How can it
be recognized? How can it be followed? It’s the third question you asked me. But some
of you might think: how good this Bishop is! We asked the questions and he has the
answers all ready, written! I received the questions a few days ago. That’s why I know them. And I answer you with two essential elements about how to recognize a
vocation to the priesthood or to consecrated life. Pray and walk in the Church. These
two things go together, they are intertwined. At the origin of consecrated life there is
always an intense experience of God, an experience that isn’t forgotten, which is
remembered throughout one’s life! It’s the one Francis had. We can’t calculate or plan
this. God always surprises us! It’s God who calls, but it’s important to have a daily relationship with Him, to listen to Him in silence before the Tabernacle and in the depth
of our being, to speak with Him, to approach the Sacraments. To have this familiar
relationship with the Lord is like having the window of our life open, so He has us hear
his voice, what he wants from us. It would be lovely to hear you, to hear the priests
present here, the Sisters … It would be very lovely, because each story is unique, but
they all begin from an encounter that illumines in depth, which touches the heart and involves the whole person: affection, intellect, senses, everything. The relationship with
God is not about a part of ourselves, but the whole of ourselves. It’s such a great love,
so beautiful, so true, that it merits all, it merits all our trust. And I would like to say
something forcefully, especially today: virginity for the Kingdom of God isn’t a “no,” it’s
a “yes”! Of course, it entails the giving up of a conjugal bond and one’s own family, but
at the base there is the “yes,” as the answer to Christ’s total “yes” to us, and this “yes” renders one fruitful. However, here at Assisi there is no need for words! Francis is here, Clare is here, they
speak! Their charism continues to speak to so many young people in the whole world:
young men and young women who leave everything to follow Jesus on the way of the
Gospel. So, Gospel. I would like to take up the word “Gospel” to answer the other two
questions that you asked me, the second and the fourth. One is about the social
commitment, in this period of crisis that menaces hope; and the other is about
evangelization, taking Jesus’ proclamation to others. You asked me: what can we do?
What can be our contribution? Here at Assisi, here close to the Porciuncula, I seem to hear Saint Francis’ voice that
repeats: “Gospel, Gospel!” He says it also to me, in fact, first to me: Pope Francis, be the
servant of the Gospel! If I don’t succeed in being a servant of the Gospel, my life isn’t
worth anything! But the Gospel, dear friends, is not just about religion, it’s about man, the whole man, it’s
about the world, society, human civilization. The Gospel is God’s message of salvation
for humanity. However, when we say “message of salvation,” it’s not a way of saying
things, they are not simple words or empty words of which there are so many today!
Humanity is truly in need of being saved! We see it every day when we glance through
the newspaper, or listen to the news on television; but we also see it around us, in persons, in situations; and we see it in ourselves! Every one of us is in need of
salvation! We can’t do it alone! We are in need of salvation! Salvation from what? From
evil, evil operates, it does its work. But evil isn’t invincible and the Christian is not
resigned in face of evil. And you, young people, do you want to be resigned in face of
evil, of injustices, of difficulties? Do you or don’t you? [The young people answered:
No!] Ah, good. This pleases me! Our secret is that God is greater than evil: this is true! God is greater than evil. God is infinite love, limitless mercy. And this Love has defeated
evil at the root in the Death and Resurrection of Christ. This is the Gospel, the Good
News; God’s love has conquered! Christ died on the cross for our sins and he rose. We
can fight against evil and conquer it with Him every day. Do we believe this or not?
[Yes! The young people answered]. But this “yes” must be in our lives! If I believe that
Jesus has conquered evil and saves me, I must follow Jesus, I must follow Jesus’ way my whole life. Now this Gospel, this message of salvation, has two destinations that are linked: the
first, to awaken faith, and this is evangelization; the second, to transform the world
according to God’s plan, and this is the Christian animation of society. But they aren’t
two separate things, they are one mission: to take the Gospel with the witness of our
life transforms the world! This is the way: to take the Gospel with the witness of our
life. Let us look at Francis: he did both these things, with the sole force of the Gospel. Francis
brought faith to grow, he renewed the Church and, at the same time, he renewed
society, he made it more fraternal, but always with the Gospel, with his witness. You
know what Francis said once to his Brothers? “Always preach the Gospel and if it’s
necessary, use words!” But how? Can the Gospel be preached without words? Yes!
With witness! First witness, then words! But witness! Young people of Umbria: do this also! Today, in the name of Francis, I say to you: I don’t
have gold or silver to give you, but something much more precious, the Gospel of Jesus.
Go with courage! With the Gospel in your heart and in your hands; be witnesses of the
faith with your life: take Christ to your homes, proclaim him among your friends,
welcome him and serve him in the poor. Young people, give Umbria a message of life, of
peace and of hope! You can do it!
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Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Catholics by Ubenedictus(m): 12:57pm On Oct 09, 2013

Francis Reflects on the Temptation to Flee from God Calls on Faithful to Allow God to Author the Plan of Their Lives By Junno Arocho Esteves VATICAN CITY, October 07, 2013 ( Zenit.org) - Pope Francis this morning during his daily Mass at Santa Marta reflected on the temptation that everyone, even Christians, can face
to flee from God. Among the faithful present at the Holy Father’s morning Mass were a
number of accredited journalists from the Holy See Press Office. The Pope, who on October 13th will consecrate the world to the Immaculate Heart of
Mary, was dressed in a white chasuble to honor the Memorial of Our Lady of the Rosary. Speaking on the first reading, which recalled the story of Jonah who fled upon receiving
the call from God to preach against Nineveh, the Holy Father told the faithful gathered
that the act of “fleeing from God” is a temptation faced daily by all. “You can flee from God, even while being a Christian, being a Catholic, or a member of
Catholic Action, a priest, bishop, Pope [...] everyone, everyone of us can flee from God. It
is a daily temptation. To not listen to God, to not listen to his voice, to not feel in our
heart His proposal, His invitation,” the Pope said. Another example of fleeing from God, the Holy Father indicated, is given in the Gospel of
the Good Samaritan, particularly in the example that Christ’s gives of the priest who
passes a man beaten on the side of a road. “In the Gospel, there is this man who is half-dead, thrown on the pavement of the road,
and by chance a priest was going down that road, a dignified priest, dressed properly
in a cassock, good [priest], very good!” the Pope explained. “He saw [him] and looked: ‘I’m going to be late for Mass’, and he left. He did not hear the
voice of God there.” Pope Francis observed that while a Levite also passes the stranger, the only one who
stopped was one who “habitually flees from God: a sinner, a Samaritan.” Despite his
differences in religious practices, and even though he came from a theological
background that was wrong, the Samaritan doesn’t flee, instead “he understood that
God called him” there. “Why does Jonah flee from God? Why does the priest flee from God? Why does the
Levite flee from God?” the Pope asked. “It’s because their hearts were closed, and when
your heart is closed, you can no longer hear the voice of God. Instead, a Samaritan who
was on a journey ‘saw him and was moved with compassion: his heart was open, he
was human.” The 76 year old Pontiff stated that those who flee from God, like Jonah, the priest and
the Levite all had a set plan for their lives, while the Samaritan allowed God to write the
story of his life. Concluding his homily, Pope Francis called on the faithful to ask themselves whether
they allow God to write the story of our lives or do we want to write our own plans. “I am sure that we all see that the Samaritan, the sinner did not flee from God. May the
Lord allow us to listen to the voice of the Lord, His voice, which tells us: Go, and do the
same as well,” he said. After the Mass, the Holy Father greeted the journalists, among whom ZENIT was also
present.

Christianity Etc › Re: Lazarus Muoka Accused Of Hypnotism And Deception by Ubenedictus(m): 12:42pm On Oct 09, 2013

debbleopto: Those martyred for not hailing Mary. the souls deceived to believe there is purgatory for sinners.

who are the people martyred for not hailing mary, pls name a few. And trully the is purgatory but it isn't for sinners but for those christians who die imperfect.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Fresh Purschase -pastor chris by Ubenedictus(m): 12:33pm On Oct 09, 2013

nlMediator: Even if everything you said above is right, you'd still be describing redemption. Only difference is that many christians believe that Jesus redeemed us from satan while you believe He redeemed us from God. But that's different from the Op who says we were not redeemed. Never knew the subject of redemption can be this complicated. I plan to re-study it based on this encounter.

ofcuz i'm describind redeemption, to redeem is to purchase. I NEVER SAID Jesus redeemed us from God, i said he redeemed us FOR God. He didn't pay a price to satan instead he cancelled our impediment before God i.e sin. And i never said i was supporting the op

Christianity Etc › Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by Ubenedictus(m): 12:25pm On Oct 09, 2013

Nauttyprof: My question then is who is an atheist? If you can answer that in line with John 3:16 then I'll rest my case.

please where did pope francis say atheist do not need to believe in God. If you show me where he says that then i'll know what we are discussing about.

Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Saved Person Lose His Salvation? by Ubenedictus(m): 12:10pm On Oct 09, 2013

jammyunn: Does it mean the gift has not been given? God says that his gifts are IRREVOCABLE

where does the bible say this?

Politics › Re: Comparing Legacies - Obasanjo Vs Goodluck Jonathan by Ubenedictus(m): 1:51pm On Oct 08, 2013

Billyonaire: Many of you have refused to remember that after Obasenjo and before GEJ, there was a President. If Jonathon had this transformation Agenda in his head yet kept humble and let Yaradua sit dormant for those years then GEJ deserves another level than Atiku and a greater respect than oBJ.

Politics › Re: Comparing Legacies - Obasanjo Vs Goodluck Jonathan by Ubenedictus(m): 1:48pm On Oct 08, 2013

Billyonaire: Many of you have refused to remember that after Obasenjo and before GEJ, there was a President. If Jonathon had this transformation Agenda in his head yet kept humble and let Yaradua sit dormant for those years then GEJ deserves another level than Atiku and a greater respect than oBJ.

the point is that the transformation agenda gej is acting on isn't his own. He is simply implementing other peoples plans

Politics › Re: Comparing Legacies - Obasanjo Vs Goodluck Jonathan by Ubenedictus(m): 1:08pm On Oct 08, 2013

Youpele52: Nice post but to add to comparison, you put to consideration the environmental factors making easy or hard for government to rule a nation.
One has got Boko Haram inhibiting his polity
One has got more haters than ever, even from his own family.
One is from a major tribe the other not.
Both did hurt Nigeria with fuel subsidy removal
The former rule with more of a military style than civil, if you remember how OBJ handle the matter of Odi LGA and that of Odioma town both of Bayelsa State.
The latter is more democratic/diplomatic in his dealing with terror (though perceived as weakness to some). If GEJ was OBJ, Borno State, Kaduna and all Boko Haram state would have been flat by now.
How many politicians have insulted the GEJ in an attempt to rubbish his government, really democratic, if OBJ was in sit all of em will be scared to kiss their family goodbye cos the Police, EFCC etc will come haunting you.
Meanwhile you can't compare 3years to 8years. It's absurdly ridiculous.
We have freedom of journalism honoured more in GEJ regime than OBJ. Ask a journalist working in any of the newspapers/TV Stations they'll tell you what they can't write about and where they're limited not to cross.
GEJ rang the closing bell in NYSE, you might wanna go research what it takes for a president of any nation to go there and ring that bell. OBJ requested that he should but was turned down. Then Nigeria wasn't economically stable or booming enough and investors friends enough, as those are few of the requirements.
OBJ will be forever remembered for Telecommunication industry
GEJ will be forever remembered for Electricity Industry, & more.

Electricity vs Telecommunication
You tell me wish is more important.

Nigeria economy is more booming & diversify in GEJ regime than OBJ's.

First time ever Nigeria has 20 persons (still counting) in 55 wealthiest people on Africa.
Dangote was rich, but only in GEJ regime did he climbed so high in the Forbes list of the wealthiest. Dangote when he went to Kenya, he thanked GEJ for the conducive business environment.

How was the national team at OBJ tenure? Hopeless, even Olamide in Ghost mode said "some rappers dey like Naija them no dey reach finals". But hey GEJ regime we won African Cup of Nations, for more than 10years we haven't reached finals.

Check out the booming entertainment industry now. Its more profitable than it was in OBJ's regime.
See how rich musicians have become over the years from music. Some years ago if you tell your mom that you want to do music, you're seen like a mad man. It's hard to make a mil from music way back then.

I won't say GEJ is the best so far, Yaradua would've been the best democratic president had he not died.

I don't hate OBJ whatsoever, I rather hate to see unhealthy comparison.

OBJ has been in the system of Nigerian politics and leadership long before he became president. GEJ is like a learner before OBJ in that regard. OBJ is more experienced.

I'll end with this, like it or not, OBJ built the foundation on which GEJ is building today.
OBJ raised the bar, any president ruling now or will rule in the future has some catching up to do, before he can talk about going further than OBJ. That's why till 2020, we'll still compare the present president with OBJ.

GEJ has got some work to do. If electricity supply becomes steady in all parts of the nation, GEJ has got nothing to worry about to work extra miles, he has done what for the passed 53years or more no head of state, prime minister or president has done.

Pen Down.

true, yar' adua would have made obj and gej look like kids. He knew what to do, he laid out all the plans to do it, he had the political will to lead but he didn't have long life. I believe had he lived he may have been the best civilian and democratic president nigeria had ever seen.

Christianity Etc › Re: Meditations On The Mysteries Of The Holy Rosary (joyful And Luminous) by Ubenedictus(m): 12:16am On Oct 08, 2013

Enigma: Hmmm, interesting!

Roman Catholic Church: 'Outside the Roman Catholic Church no man at all can be saved'

versus

Jesus Christ: "I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believes in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live"

Naturally, a wise person will follow the words of Jesus of course.

i do not have time for your arguement.

Remember to stay on topic. angry

Enigma: Hmmm, interesting!

Roman Catholic Church: 'Outside the Roman Catholic Church no man at all can be saved'

versus

Jesus Christ: "I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believes in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live"

Naturally, a wise person will follow the words of Jesus of course.

i do not have time for your arguement.

Remember to stay on topic.

Christianity Etc › Re: Famous Rosary Miracles (for Believers). by Ubenedictus(m): 12:12am On Oct 08, 2013

donphilopus: As for me, without The Bible; Rosary Is Nothing

my rosary is actually a sumary of my bible, each time i open my bible i see the rosary in it and each time i pray my rosary i meditate on the biblical events

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist, Why Embracing Buddhism And Not African Philosophy And Spirituality? by Ubenedictus(m): 11:58pm On Oct 07, 2013

FOLYKAZE: Is this how you became a christian?

What is Orisha?

Na wa o.....claiming something you have zero knowledge about. Nairaland sha

atleast i know that the orisha aren't just energy but are actually being who can be accessed.
How is that for zero knowledge?

Christianity Etc › Re: A Fresh Purschase -pastor chris by Ubenedictus(m): 11:51pm On Oct 07, 2013

okeyxyz: But on a serious note, you guys have been analyzing this in a rather shallow manner, drawing exact matches to literal/legal/secular transactions, thus you lose the spiritual operations therein. So I break it down here;

Looking at a transaction spiritually and faithfully now, what actually happens? It means you give up one object of value; eg: money(In this case: the blood/life) for another object of more useful/needed/greater value(in this case: a new life in christ). The other party with whom you make this exchange/transaction is not an external party(this is why it is spiritual), It is your conscience, the perfect judge who measures your sincerity and faith.

what exactly are you saying? That we were redeemed when christ purchased us from our conscience with his blood?
Pls explain.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Fresh Purschase -pastor chris by Ubenedictus(m): 11:44pm On Oct 07, 2013

Gombs: Scroll up! I've answered this up thr

no! You didn't, you were asked about a purchase and you were talking about debt, you were asked to discuss salvation in economic terms (as a purchase) and you were discussing it in legal terms.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Fresh Purschase -pastor chris by Ubenedictus(m): 11:39pm On Oct 07, 2013

Bidam: A1. Redeem, Redemption [Verb] exagorazo a strengthened form of agorazo, "to buy" (see agorazo under BUY), denotes "to buy out" (ex for ek), especially of purchasing a slave with a view to his freedom. It is used metaphorically
(a) in Gal 3:13; Gal 4:5, of the deliverance by Christ of Christian Jews from the Law and its curse; what is said of lutron lutron under RANSOM) is true of this verb and of agorazo, as to the Death of Christ, that Scripture does not say to whom the price was paid; the various suggestions made are purely speculative;
(b) in the Middle Voice, "to buy up for oneself," Eph 5:16; and Col 4:5, of "buying up the opportunity" (RV marg.; text, "redeeming the time," where "time" is kairos, "a season," a time in which something is seasonable), i.e., making the most of every opportunity, turning each to the best advantage since none can be recalled if missed.
http://gospelhall.org/bible/bible.php?search=agorazo&dict=vine&lang=greek

you are not appreciating the topic, if you don't know who recieve the price that redeemed you then how do you prove you've actually been purchaced.

Anyway i'll leave it at that

Christianity Etc › Re: A Fresh Purschase -pastor chris by Ubenedictus(m): 11:30pm On Oct 07, 2013*

in economic terms you had to pay to the owner of the slave to buy him, naturally Jesus is suppose to pay the devil so as to purchase man. tHAT IS TOTAL RuBBISH, Jesus didn't exacly purchase man from the devil, no he didn't, he only purchased man for God. The explanation is a bit long so take a little rest, i won't directly be quoting scrippture becos i need to sleep, nevertheless i'm ready to support every sentence scripturally should it be neccesary.

Man became slave to sin and satan by one man i.e adam, he alone actually sined but we all sined in him, that order was reversed in Jesus who did not contact original sin, he lived in complete obedience to his father and thus reversed the disobedience of adam.

Now please note that man became a slave of satan only becos God in accordance with his nature cannot associate with sin, God only left man to his own device becos he couldn't be associated with sin, sin was against the nature of God.

Now down to business, God could accept man again if man was totally sinless.

Jesus while physically bleeding at calvary was spiritually before the throne of God, he entered into that heavenly tabernacle carrying his own blood, he became both priest and victim and offered himself, his own blood to his father,thus fufilling the demands of justice. In Jesus we have a sacrifice that frees us of sin totally so that with Jesus we now have direct access to the father and since the impediment of sin has been done away with and we are now parts of christ, we are now free from the slavery of the devil and slavery to sin.

For all therefore in christ by faith thru baptism, with christ they have been accepted as sons.

I'm sure this has become long and boring, i'm a bit sleepy so let me conclude. To redeem us Jesus broke the laws of economics, he didn't purchase us by paying to the devil instead he went back to the original law. Man is a slave to what he chooses either to sin or to righteousness, by nature in adam we are slaves of sin by grace in christ we are slaves to righteousness. If man became slaves to satan by sin (a delibrate offence against God) then we can come sons by faith in christ Jesus. Christ purchase us for God with his blood becos his blood cleared the impediment against us. By offering blood to the father he cleared in record of sin against and open sonship for us.
The price by which we are made sons is the blood of Christ but that blood wasn't paid to satan it was offered to God to clear the impediment of sin against us so that we can become sons with, in, and through christ.
It seems i'm repeating myself, i'll let the holyspirit do his work.
I do not claim that the above is what pastor chris meant, instead i only presented what i have learnt in God's word. angry

Christianity Etc › Re: A Fresh Purschase -pastor chris by Ubenedictus(m): 10:08pm On Oct 07, 2013

Gombs: The OP didn't say the above in bold...go and read the post again...He said

"Observe that the new creation is not the redeemed; [size=16pt] he’s the fruit of Christ’s redemptive work on the Cross."
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Where did you see a second transaction in the OP? Even after you saw this?

"The word, "redeemed" is wrongly translated here (Rev 5v9) ; it’s from the Greek, ‘agorazo,’ which means to go to the market and make a purchase; to buy something as a
gift to give to someone. [size=16pt] It’s not a buy-back, as is the case with "lutrōsis," but a fresh purchase. [/size] Christ purchased us with His blood, and gave us as gifts to God. "

I told you you just wanna argue

if jesus bought us so he can give us to his father, who sold us to Jesus? Who did Jesus purchase us from? Who did he pay the price to in the ''marketplace''?

Christianity Etc › Re: A Fresh Purschase -pastor chris by Ubenedictus(m): 9:54pm On Oct 07, 2013

shdemidemi: Thanks candour for the clarification..I agree we have been bought with a price and I also believe there are two slave masters namely "sin" or rather the very 'root of sin' (the devil) and righteousness (Christ)'.

Romans 6
But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.

From my understanding, I believe the price was paid to our old master (devil) so he can't lay a claim on us forever for we are now under a new master.

this is the problem with explaining redemption in contractal legal terms.

How can God pay the devil by giving him the blood of his son? It doesn't make sense.

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Christianity Etc › Re: On The Holy Communion ( Between Paul And Jesus Christ) by Ubenedictus(m): 9:45pm On Oct 07, 2013

Sal C: Sometimes I do think Paul's admonition on the holy communion is in direct contrast to the words of Jesus Christ at the last super.

In Matt 26 V 26-28 the scripture says....
And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and break it, and gave it to the disciple, and said, Take, eat, this is my body.
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
The words of Christ seem to say " this my body and blood which I give you today is meant to take away your sins.

On the other hand, apostle paul wrote in 1cor 11 v27-30...
Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread and drink of that cup.
29 For him that eateth and drinketh unworthyily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
Now if Holy Communion was for the remission sin, why must one examine himself before receiving it, or incur sickness for receiving it unworthily.

don't confuse it, the sheding of blood that seals the new convenant and remit sins of many isn't in the upper room but in calvary. Jesus was saying this blood is the same as that which seals the convenant and remit sins, he wasn't saying he was giving them the blood so that receiving unworthyly they will be purified.

Christianity Etc › Re: Meditations On The Mysteries Of The Holy Rosary (joyful And Luminous) by Ubenedictus(m): 8:55pm On Oct 07, 2013

Enigma: Bros, so you are saying that someone like me who is ouside of the Roman Catholic Church cannot be saved?

a friend once told me '' i know where the church is and i truly want everyone to be there too, but i know little of where she isn't''. I told him ''you really seem wise''.

Christianity Etc › Re: Meditations On The Mysteries Of The Holy Rosary (joyful And Luminous) by Ubenedictus(m): 8:36pm On Oct 07, 2013

BADNEAT: I'm a Catholic but....I wake up with #our Father. ..slp with it too....I say hail mary...I pray to God through Jeso cristi....I ask holy spirit for help n guidance in my daily activities. .I read my bible.....but I hv this friend of mine. ..who is equally a Catholic. ..he has no Bible ..buh hv thousands of books with blessed virgin mary as d major contents ..infact portrait of her mk up d cover pages. ...he doesn't joke with his rosary. ..neither d angelus...u hardly hear him pray n mention d holy spirit or Christ Jesus....in fact he has changed his name to sixtus_mary ...d story is too long. ..but like I said b4...God bless us all

if his marian devotion is true, it can only lead him to christ. Your friend cannot love mary more than christ did.

Christianity Etc › Re: Meditations On The Mysteries Of The Holy Rosary (joyful And Luminous) by Ubenedictus(m): 8:27pm On Oct 07, 2013

ariseandshine: There are some Creepy Similarities between Islam and Roman Catholiticism.

Just thinking out loud.

catholicism predates islam

Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Saved Person Lose His Salvation? by Ubenedictus(m): 8:24pm On Oct 07, 2013

ariseandshine: I get ur point. But even though they missed the first resurrection the foolish virgins still came forth in the second ressurection and were judged according to their works. They were virgins and their works was pure before God and they entered into the Kingdom.

Last bullet:
Your nature on earth, you cant lose it no matter ur mistakes.

Judas was not a believer, he was not saved so he didnt lose his salvation because he did'nt have salvation in the first place. When Jesus called him, he knew was the son of perdition.

where did you get this? Certainly not the bible. You lack understanding of biblical parables. Go back to sunday school..

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist, Why Embracing Buddhism And Not African Philosophy And Spirituality? by Ubenedictus(m): 8:19pm On Oct 07, 2013

aManFromMars: At least someone sees what I see. He's trying to reinvent Ifa, when it's practitioners do take sacrifices, the deities and the rituals serious.

How u dey boss? Long time. I saw your Invitation thread in the Culture section. Hope those mentioned respond. Really looking forward to it.

he is afraid of the orishas. His version of ifa is too interesting to be true.

Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Saved Person Lose His Salvation? by Ubenedictus(m): 8:03pm On Oct 07, 2013

jammyunn: This is really confusing. May the Holy Spirit help us. I have no definite answer to this myself that's why I asked. Following Romans 11:29-"the gifts and callings of God are IRREVOCABLE", and salvation is FREE(a gift) I don't think it can be lost but that doesn't mean that we go ahead commiting sin because "we can't continue in sin that grace may abound".

a free gift can be freely rejected.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist, Why Embracing Buddhism And Not African Philosophy And Spirituality? by Ubenedictus(m): 2:29pm On Oct 06, 2013

plaetton: Hhmmm.
Great objectivity. I must say that I am a bit surprised. Perhaps I have misjudged you: Or is it that Christians tend to show objectivity only when it comes to non-Christian issues?.

Anyways, I agree with everything above.
I just want to use this chance to jump in and add that what makes Buddhism different, unique and more appealing to non-religious people is the fact that Buddhism is a Non-Custodial Religion.

A Custodial religion is one where a Custodial deity, real or mythical is the focus of worship, who is given omni omni attributes, who issues a set of commandments, and who is believed to bestow earthly blessings and afterlife rewards for the faithful who follow the commandments, and who also punishes with eternal torment for those who do not faithfully follow the commandments.

A Non-Custodial religion , on the other hand , is one where there is no recognition of a supreme deity to act as a grand puppet master. The individual is encouraged to take active take responsibility to establish harmony with his environment, is fellow living creatures and his fellow humans to create a life and a world suitable for all.

In a non-custodial religion like Buddhism, the individual and his human community are expected to be active agents in the creation process and the dynamism of the life and the universe.
Here, man is the creator of his destiny for good or for bad.
He does not rely on the machinations of gods, seen or unseen.

Whereas, in Custodial religions like Christianity, Islam, and many of our own African traditional religions, the individual is just a passive observer who sits back to beseech the custodial deities to intervene on his behalf to manipulate forces of the universe.

Therefore, it very easy to see why atheists, African atheists included, and non-religious people are attracted to Buddhism .

It is an active philosophy that allows the individual to be a an active contributor to the dynamism of the universe, as opposed to being passive and boxed in with real or mythical temperamental deities who are supposed to be the puppet masters of the universe.

i doubt you really attempted to address okey's. I understand why you feel attracted to buddism but okey seems to be asking what is the ''not God''that judges if the dead should be reincarnated or to find 'peace'?

Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Saved Person Lose His Salvation? by Ubenedictus(m): 2:17pm On Oct 06, 2013

La Rochelle: To all, a saved person can lose his salvation. I'm sure all these confusions is coming from these so-called pastors, who teach their congregation what suits them.
A saved person can lose his salvation by frustrating the grace of the Lord in his life and by grieving the Holy Spirit. By doing all the little things we don't count as sin, such as looking at a lady lustfully, telling "small" lies, stealing from parents/siblings/spouses(thinking they don't care), telling crude jokes and speaking unedifyably...I could go on and on.
These "little" sins will make your heart get unholy little by little until the Holy Spirit departs.
Take a clue from Biblical examples like Judas, Demas, Ananias and Sapphira etc.
Please, join a bible believing church so that the word of God may be expounded unto you.
Shalom.

"bible believing churches" are the ones preaching once saved forever saved.

Christianity Etc › Re: ARE THERE REALLY MANSIONS IN HEAVEN(john14:2)candour,theoctopus,joagbaje,Goshen by Ubenedictus(m): 2:15pm On Oct 06, 2013

personal i think you are the mansion christ is preparing in heaven. The christian is the household of God.

Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Saved Person Lose His Salvation? by Ubenedictus(m): 2:12pm On Oct 06, 2013

striktlymi: Being saved in this context implies that an individual has undergone the pains, tribulations and temptations of this world and has emerged victorious through Christ.

If one still has the tendency to sin and the possibility of going back to the 'world' is readily available, then it would be inappropriate to say that the individual is saved.

It would be appropriate though to say that one has chosen the path to salvation, if the individual decides to follow the example of Christ, but being saved only comes at the end of our journey here on Earth.

Now, to answer your question, it is impossible for one who is saved to lose his salvation because it is impractical for the 'dead' to commit sin, hence nothing like going back to a life of sin.

As long as we are awake to the harsh realities of this world, the best we can do is seek out our salvation. Sacred scriptures puts it succintly:

Philippians 2:12
King James Version (KJV)

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

the problem with this explanation is that the bible discribes salvation as a present continous reality. The christian here on earth can be discribe as saved, being saved and will be saved all at the same time.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Little Teachings on The Holy Trinity{A must Read For all Christians} by Ubenedictus(m): 2:02pm On Oct 06, 2013*

the orthodox christian are not arguing whether or not the trinity is pagan. That ia untrue. The main arguement on the trinity you'll find in orthodoxy is the'filioque'

Christianity Etc › Re: Making John Xxiii And John Paul II Saints Is Political by Ubenedictus(m): 1:53pm On Oct 06, 2013

some people love to rap on isssue they know nothing about

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