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ijawkid: Now that scripture is on point....
No rosary user/cross user today ever saw the form of Jesus...not even the form of MARY.........
So how sure are they of whom they are bowing to or praying through....??.....

i dont pray "thru d image", no! The image is a reminder of a reality, "the lamb of God standing as though slain" and "slain from the foundation of d world" i dont need a historical picture of Jesus, no! Instead just that which reminds me of wu he is and what he did.

That insatiable drive to always wanting to make objects Or images that looks like or resembles the original(even when one has never seen the original) for the sole purpose of worship is"" idolatry""......

where did u get ur "insatiable drive" from? And correction nobody i know worship images.

It is even more of an"" idolatry"" when it is the Almighty we are dealing with.....

really funny

Bookmark thanks for that scripture.......

hahaha, ijawkid u are funny, are u thru?

Boomark: Ok o. But what i know is that i can't join the Catholics and worship idol, carved image of thieves thinking they are Christ.

I can't bow and kneel before a big statue of a woman thinking it is mary and offer prayers to it.

Deuteronomy 4:15-16 (NRS)

15 Since you saw no form when the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire, take care and watch yourselves closely, 16 so that you do not act corruptly by making an idol for yourselves, in the form of any figure—the likeness of male or female,

This is a very clear warning. Even a blind man will see this. You never saw his form.

Idol worshipers are not Christians(followers of Christ). They only succeeded in deceiving lots of Christians in history.

Get out if you are still under their idolatry, if you want to server the only true God. For we know our root, our owner-Christ.

very silly! U shuld learn to interprete scriptures, WAS JESUS WITH OR WITHOUT FORM? There was no form nor gender at mount horeb, there was both form and gender at calvary. The couldnt be an image of horeb that had no form, but ofcuz there is of calvary.

Boomark: @italo, ubenedictus and co

I hope you guys know the image on the cross you carry about is not the image of Christ?

A very big shameful act!

hahaha,

Boomark: So you made the image of some one you don't know and use it to preach Christ crucified. Assuming satan was crucified on a cross, you will still make an image of the cross and tell me it is the symbol of your Christianity? Do you know the image of Christ, satan and 100reds of thieves crucified on the cross?

Yet you make such images and take it along when you to worship God, whom Christ told you to worship in spirit and in truth.
The things of Christ are unique.

again this is non seqiter

At op,
is this the type of discussion u want on d thread?? All i can see is Enigma making claims and he wont accept a discussion becos he prefers to behave like a child. If this is d type of discussion u want simply say so and i will kindly unfollow. I do not discuss with people wu would prefer not to discuss but would instead rant.
No offence meant

davidylan: When did this happen?

did u miss the gaza story?? Isreal has never been interested in diplomacy or peace, they always use force, they have succeeded in fighting everyone in their immediate borders and have decided iran is next becos they fear it will soon become a regional power.

Jamisco: and victory will forever be on their side

shallom

dis is not always true, go check history, besides d war isreal is waging against iran is an unjust one, wen it starts it will be very bloody

mdsocks: So much for a country's sovereignty..

I see that most people are blinded by sentiments here...Lets say China bombed India because it was bilding rocket launchers for Japan..


What would have been the response? Y 'all still slaves to this western mentality.

d responds will be a big war.

try69: Surely not for the offside goal but if dude is found guilty of racist language

#thinkb4youtypedummy

i hope u are not blind? I certainly wasnt talking abt racism i was talking abt d offside goal everyonehasbeentalkingaboutdummy.

Boomark: You are now beating about the bush. This happens when you don't have answers and you think you must defend your cause.

You are not satisfied with the meaning of 'beget', even the meaning you presented negates your believe. If only it can be deleted from the bible, you will be, just fine.

what meanings negate by belief? It is not a must that to "beget" must include a wife, if u dont know that the u shuld read up ur biology.

I still want to know what 'until' means in Greek before being translated to english.
You can take a break to avoid answering outside the context.

i already gave u an explanation and a link what more do u want??

[quote author=frosbel][/quote]ur article quoted dies domini, did u even manage to read the work?? Or was ur aim simply to condemn?? I will alway dislike pipo whose aim is to condemn instead of seeking d truth.
Here is the link, read first before u condemn.
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/ht_jp-ii_apl_05071998_dies-domini_en.html

plappville: You do not seek the truth at all....SMH for you. even if you dey pretend not to see the word, i will continue to remind you of it.
Even if, its not in the verse He posted, the scripture condemn it.

Isaiah 40:18-31(NIV)
18 [size=16pt] With whom, then, will you compare God?
To what image will you liken him? [/size]
19 As for an idol, a metalworker casts it,
and a goldsmith overlays it with gold
and fashions silver chains for it.
20 A person too poor to present such an offering
selects wood that will not rot;
they look for a skilled worker
to set up an idol that will not topple.
21 Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
Has it not been told you from the beginning?
Have you not understood since the earth was founded? : @catholics una dey read so? much question marks for you.
To what image? to what Cross? to what and what @Popeitalo?

hahaha, again u quote a passage against idolatry to support urself. Can u tell me d meaning of idolatry?

plappville: Do you mean the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? The one that said He changeth not, has suddenly change with you?

d God wu changet not of cuz, my bible show me that God didnt condemn the use of images unless d images become idols (object of worship). And becos he changeth not i'm asured that unless images become idols i havent sinned. Besides u all shuld tell me, what was d ark of d covenant?

it is a pity my time is so limited, i would have been interested in explaining a few things,

Boomark: I wrote something like this before. You might have skipped it.
The cross you are using is the same as the one they used for so many thieves before Christ and the two other thieves. The image on it is not the image of Christ. You might be giving honour to dead thieves. Christ said 'worship God in spirit and truth'.

the fact that thieves died on a cross doesnt nully the fact that christ also died on a cross. And thanks b to God almost everybody wu sees me with a crucifix knows what i'm preaching and that is "christ crucified". If i cant shout it out loud on the street then i should let everybody see that my christ died on a cross and saved me. Ur talk abt theives is non seqiter.

Enigma: Well, you can say as much as you like about my "honesty"; the fact remains that the claims of the Roman Catholic Church to "universal jurisdiction" and the arguments used to support the claims are all based on fraud. That is the real dishonesty.

Misinterpreting, misquoting and misrepresenting Augustine etc to claim they say what they never said. We know the Roman Catholic tactics well ---- in fact later, I will post some statements of people who have well summarised the Roman Catholic tactics.

would u discuss those topic instead of shout "catholics lied" can u show me one quotation that chukwudi did wrong?

Enigma: Another example of "Supremacy" according to the Roman Catholic "Church" - per "pope" Pius IX.



As the "popes" said some of these things in 'Papal Bulls', I guess Christians are justified if they say that the "popes" were simply talking er, well, bull.

u shuld stop dis emotion arguement, u took snipet from d pope so it can be easily misunderstood. Dat teaching isnt d same as petrine primacy, type into wikipedia "extra ecclesiam nulla salus" and u will get an explanation, u may want to see this.
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm
http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/what-no-salvation-outside-the-church-mean

Enigma: ^^^ Look, I'm not "arguing" anything with you.

Why don't you keep throwing abuses and I'll keep making whatever point I find "pertinent".

this is d way a fool wu has no point argue (note:i didnt call u a fool). If u have a point as u claim and ur interpretations are true as u claim then y are u afriad that they b put to test? Enigma pls try some honesty.

Enigma: Anyway, here is a modern version of "Supremacy" according to the Roman Catholic "Church".

Cathechism of the Catholic Church/Lumen Gentium






Compare with "Pope" Gregory (quoted earlier)




Above all, compare the words of Jesus Christ.

Matthew 20

enigma, u are really a dishonest person, i have asked u "do u wish to bring greg as evidence?" yet u kept ur mouth shut are refused to speak. You are simply quoting greg out of context and playing on emotion. Weldone

Enigma: Bros, I been no mean say make this thing reach dis level --- but you sef don see how de thread evolve and wetin come cause all dis wey we dey see so.

Boniface na one "pope" for 13th century or thereabouts.

Meanwhile, I'm coming up with a modern version in a minute.

somehow enigma has managed to make boniface a church father, weldone.

Ihedinobi: I'm.really.very.sorry..My.activity.on.nairaland.is.no.longer.very.fluid.because.of.my.faulty.keypad (among.other.things). You can see that my space key is bad. It.works.only.intermittently.

oh, sorry, see a technician quickly.

truthislight: of what use is this comment?

Watering down valuable comment with pranks.

sorry my friend i dont do pranks, its as simple as that. U and ure friend are too superstitious, u have decided to go and read babylonian mysteries and illuminati, why should i disturb myself with superstition? Im sure u know d cardinal point are just like a cross, is that also babylonian mystery?

Adetayo100: Matt Clattenbrug will surely pay with his refreeing career for this.
He just has to go

i hear asenal scored an offside goal this week and i m sure nothing has happen to the ref. It part of d game and shit happens, if u dnt have d liver 4 it watch cartoons and abstain frm football.

ubong560: Man-U cannot boldly claimed they won dat match, if they do, den they are nothing dan bloody fvucken liars. Aside d inconsequential controversies brought in by d referees, i can assure u dat chelsea would av beaten man-u 4-2 QED. Even at dat, didn't u c chelsea stil dominating d match. Dat's Man-U 4 u. Earlier in d season, dat's exactly how they robbed liverpool to 2-1 winning. I hate d FVUCKEN club called MAN-U.

hahaha, u say man u didnt win how come d score say 2-3 and man u has 3 point?

Dotman01: Number of penalties Howard Webb has
awarded Manu: 9 in 32 games. No. of
penalties Webb has awarded
Arsenal,Chelsea and Pool: Only 10 in
100 games.

webb didnt ref yesterday and there was no penalty bt u still lost.

miqos02: Israel will forever be at war

that is not new there is a saying that says "isreal is only at peace wen they are at war"

Billygee2u: Well,if this news is true,I give Isreal an aplause.Thumb up for Isreal.

thump up 4 what? Are u dumb so u dont know that to bomb another country is a declaration of war? It is a pity.

browncool: My question is WHY would a country like Sudan who hasn't been able to feed her country citizen or have a stable functioning government for more than 3 decades be building a missile factory? When will Muslim countries embrace peace for goodness sake?

so u dont know that d manufacturing of weapon is a gud source of revenue? Hw do u tink d u.s makes it.

[quote author=ekt_bear]The thing that somewhat annoys is me is, wetin concern Iran, Sudan etc with Israel?

Why are they so keen on seeing Israel fall sef?

They don't share any borders with the country. Doesn't Sudan have more pressing issues to face?

This is the problem with Islamist thinking. Rather than facing problems in your own country, you will be fighting battles somewhere in the middle east against Israel, a country that has nothing to do with you.[/quote]d question is suppose to be weytin concern isreal with iran? Iran sit down gege isreal bgin threathen am, d war that will ensue will b bloody and u all making niose he wont be there to see d suffering, it is because of pipo like u dat we have bokoharam, instead of seeking a solution u want war.

crackjoor: Chelsea is still de team to beat dis season.. Alex ferguson and the FA are killing de EPL.. Their Match fixing agendas will soon b xposed.

u are like d chelsea fans in my area wu were shouting in d first half "d ref is very fair" even with luiz extended hand inside d penalty box, they were all happy and shouted "fair ref", toures almost injured cleverly and no 2nd yelow card i heard dem say "na so", when ivanovich tripped young and earned a red i said "d ref is fair", toures could have continued runing and scored instead he went down becos he thought d contact by evan would produce another freekick for mata, the ref didnt think so i told dem "na so". decisions can go both way, what u call sufficient contact may nt be regarded as such from d refs line of sight.

ijawkid: The Jews made those temple interior carvings because God commanded them to.....
My question still stands....who commanded you??

d fact dat image were commanded by God shows me that there is a legit use of image i dont need a new command that say "make another image" d precept and principles laid down in d OT are enough for me.

Besides is the temple still in use??

non seqiter

He was born of a woman and that woman does not deserve our worship....praying through mary is a scam......

so to pray thru sum1 = worship abi?

Did paul have a crucifix??the same paul you just quoted did he use the rosary??

Did paul use the crucifix in worship??

did they use a bible?

And yes we are to pray through Jesus to Yahweh and not to Jesus.....that is why Jesus is a mediator...did you sack Him from his office??

dis is because u guys skip d pasage that say "whatever u ask of ME in my name i will do"

Now I understand why you pray through mary(your new mediator and high priest)...because you have thrown Yahweh into the recycle bin......

ur old rant i wont take it serious

Lol........
yes o.....
UBE means ""pear"' ...
That's really true....
And guess what??
I love eating pears......
That's why I want to eat you up right now...lol....

there is also another thing among d edos, it is a proverb it says "na small needle dey small fowl no fit swallow am".

ijawkid: The Jews made those temple interior carvings because God commanded them to.....
My question still stands....who commanded you??

d fact dat image were commanded by God shows me that there is a legit use of image i dont need a new command that say "make another image" d precept and principles laid down in d OT are enough for me.

Besides is the temple still in use??

non seqiter

He was born of a woman and that woman does not deserve our worship....praying through mary is a scam......

so to pray thru sum1 = worship abi?

Did paul have a crucifix??the same paul you just quoted did he use the rosary??

Did paul use the crucifix in worship??

did they use a bible?

And yes we are to pray through Jesus to Yahweh and not to Jesus.....that is why Jesus is a mediator...did you sack Him from his office??

dis is because u guys skip d pasage that say "whatever u ask of ME in my name i will do"

Now I understand why you pray through mary(your new mediator and high priest)...because you have thrown Yahweh into the recycle bin......

ur old rant i wont take it serious

Lol........
yes o.....
UBE means ""pear"' ...
That's really true....
And guess what??
I love eating pears......
That's why I want to eat you up right now...lol....

there is also another thing among d edos, it is a proverb it says "na small needle dey small fowl no fit swallow am".

ijawkid: SMH!!!!!

Who gave the command for your use of marys image in worship....

You never still answer me o......

so mary's image is an outcast among images right? Other can be used but not mary's images.
Besides, i alway try to stick to scripture wen discussing wit protestants becos it is a comon ground that doesnt make me sola scriptural.
My bible put is clearly, if u want to knw how i got d command of mary's image "whatever u bind on earth is bound in heaven" that is d powa of d church.