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blujoi:The project was a scam! Scams have some aura of legitimacy to make it believable. I read the link and it's very laughable. There are so many inconsistencies in the report, that it is beyond belief, a sane judge can order Nigeria to pay $1. Let me just quote the most absurd one; In 2006 , former President Olusegun Obasanjo conceived the idea of building gas facilities that would supply gas to power stations across the country to improve power supply as part of his National Economic Empowerment and Development Strategy, NEED.The power stations were never built as $16 billion was allegedly spent on the power sector with nothing to show. P & ID, an engineering firm registered in a tax haven in British Virgin Island BVI, boasting a 30-year experience in managing engineering projects in Nigeria formally approached the Federal government with a proposal on August 7, 2008, submitted to the late President Umaru Yar’adua to build a proposed gas plant in Calabar.Meaning it was P&ID approached the FG and not that the FG went to Ireland to call them. Only dubious companies with lots to hid go to tax havens to register. So the company's record of performance is only in Nigeria? On 21 July 2006 , P &ID (Nigeria) Ltd was registered to serve as its operating company within the country, which was an affiliate to P & ID.I thought they said they had 30 year experience in Nigeria? We're they operating illegally before 2006? So they registered immediately Obasanjo conceived the idea of building gas facilities that would supply gas to power stations across the country in 2006? In the build-up to submitting the proposal, P & ID limited had carried out an extensive two-year scale of feasibility studies from 2006, involving the purchase of licenses for the technology required to operate the gas stripping plant, propylene plant, the production of detailed engineering drawings and its internal project management costs.Who send them work? Licences for what exactly? How can you say you spent $29 million when you have no contract with the government or anybody? In October 2008, P & ID made its presentation at the Ministry of Petroleum Resources with the Minister of State(Gas), Emmanuel Odusina at the instruction of the former President, late Umaru Yar’ Adua.They did feasibility studies in 2006 but made presentation to the Ministry of Petroleum Resources in 2008, I know understand o. I don tire. The whole contract is a joke. You guys should read the whole report yourself and have some laugh. |
wink2015:Who told you the 2014 national conference was not complete? It was completed and it's reports submitted, it was never implemented. Jonathan (or any president for that matter) did not have the powers to implement the recommendations of any constitutional conference, that power lies with the national assembly. Jonathan conference and all other conferences were political, it was only meant to stir up political emotions. Every wonder why most governments organise constitutional conferences towards the end their tenure? It's usually an attempt to buy more time. Why can't the national assembly debate the recommendations of all the numerous conferences we have had down the years, with a view to incorporating the recommendations into our constitution? |
henrysam:Are you insinuating that Buhari has the sole authority to sign billions of dollars to private individual, and you would expect the next government to pay up? Because of inherited assets and liabilities. If governments are run that way, then that country will cease to exist in a very short time. |
alezzy13:God bless you my brother. Pay $1 for what? Some might hate GEJ, some might hate Buhari, but heaven will never forgive any Nigerian that pays a dollar of that money. |
9jaRealist:That is when you are talking about legal private entities, it's a different ball game when you are talking about sovereign countries Here might is right. Could any country punish the US or Russia be punished for unilaterally withdrawing from an agreement? Trump withdrew from an agreement between her and 6 other nations on Iran, no body could make noise. The US said they would not allow any of its military personnel to be summoned by the ICJ, and would sanction any judge that attempts to try any case involving a US soldier. |
Informative, but still trying to absolve previous governments, while putting the blame squarely on Buhari. I will only respond to the red flags. blujoi:On what basis was P&ID given the contract? What is their antecedents, where have they previously done similar projects? P&ID went ahead to procure licenses,engaged international contractors to come up with designs for the project, this they say cost them moneyWho did they procure licences from, at what cost and what type of licences? What do you mean " international contractors to come up with designs for the project"? Maybe you mean to say consultants. You don't employ contractors to design a project, you employ consultants. Had they procured the site for their processing plant? What actual infrastructure had they spent money on? An investment vehicle for the project was duly registered in Nigeria, where Nigeria had a 5% shareholding and also a representative on the board of P&IDWe need to know the Nigerian on the board of P&ID, he has questions to answer. After series of meetings, it was decided the project would be located in Cross river, and Addax petroleum agreed to supply the gas to P&ID for processingNigeria signed a 20yr agreement based on the promise of Addax to supply gas to P&ID? does or did Addax have pipelines and infrastructure to supply the required quality of gas to the agreed site in Cross Rivers? What was the contract agreement with Addax? We need to hear from Addax. Addax still failed to meet up, I think at this time GEJ was in power and Diezani was asked to ensure Addax compliesHow do you expect Addax to meet up with its expectations? You think building gas pipelines and infrastructure is an abracadabra? You just wave your magic wand and poofs gas starts flowing into P&IDs facilities (which was non existent as of that time anyway) After a whole lof delays and frustrations, P&ID wrote to the FG that they were no longer interested and subsequently took the case to the international court of arbitration who decided that UK courts would be the location to hear the caseIt was even P&ID that said they were no more interested. If the company was registered in Nigeria, why not take the FG to Nigerian courts? This was where they came to agree to pay a compensation of $850mIf GEJ, agreed to pay $850m, why didn't he pay before he left office. He could have diverted the money he borrowed for paying salaries to pay for the money he negotiated for. Then comes in the PMB and his team, no one paid any attention to the ruling due to non-nomination of a substantial minister to take chargeEven though I do not support the failure of Buhari to not appoint an oil minister, I would never have supported him paying a dime of that money. He came in when crude fell to $30 and Nigeria entered a recession, where did you expect him to get $850m from. If he paid, and the economy finally crashed as some people are wishing, they would be ecstatic saying Buhari crash and economy Jonathan built. And the rest is historyHow would the project have guaranteed power? What was the installed capacity at that time? What was the transmission capacity as of 2010? Where was the pipelines all over the Niger delta conveying the gas first to P&ID's processing plant, and then the pipelines conveying the gas to the power stations? |
networkfailure:You that knows about international trade, how does this qualify as international trade? You are only saying that because we are vulnerable, we should succumb to blackmail. |
Nukilia:How does this relate even remotely to the topic at hand? Maybe you should add your traditional responses like a broken bot, ie Ruga, Fulani herdsmen, Jubril, etc. If you live near bourdillon road, you will know that bullion van going to Tinubu's residence is not a strange affair, but a regular one. During the last salah, I saw two bullion vans enter the compound. Billion vans entering houses of high net worth individuals is a common occurance in Nigeria, no big deal. But of course, during elections PDP and its allies makes it a political issue. |
mercyviv:I am against renegotiating anything. The whole project is useless to Nigeria. Build gas pipelines to where? If Nigeria need to build and process gas infrastructure, we know how to go about it. We do not lack gas to power our megre power stations at the moment. The best Buhari can do is compensate the company for any physical investment they have done in Nigeria after an independent appraisal. We don't have money to dash any foreigners with their Nigerian collaborators. |
ajl:You are assuming there was a project in the first place. There was not project, just signed paper committing Nigeria to pay billions of dollars to an unknown Irish company. A project must have project design, evaluation, costing, budgeting, implementation and management. This so called project had non. Even the attorney general said he was not aware of the contract, how can Nigeria enter into an agreement with anybody without the knowledge of the attorney general? |
Teacher1776:Perpetual wailing over Jonathan's loss. Only 90%, I thought it was 900% completed. So Amaechi was just dashing Chinese Railway Corporation billions of dollars for the same project to be completed. There was no contract. It was only a scam by traitors to share our national treasury with foreigners. The so called contract did not pass through any contract process. There was no attempt by any party to execute a contract. How can you agree to pay for a 20 year profit for a business that had not even started? How can you calculate profit, when business has not stated? No equipment costs, no production costs, no running costs, no product even. It's not Buhari's responsibility, it is the responsibility of the people that signed and negotiated the contract to find where they would find $9 billion to pay and unknown company. Nigeria and Nigerians had won several court cases over the decades both in Nigerian and international courts ordering shell to pay several billions of dollars for oil spillages and unethical practices in Nigeria. The British government should deduct the fine from shells internation accounts and give us the rest. |
Khanben:No government in this world and I mean no government will pay that money. Countries pull out of agreements between countries, the worst will be breaking of diplomatic relations, not to talk of agreement between government officials ( not government ) and foreign individuals. |
coluka:OK. I give up. |
coluka:You still don't get it. It an insult to a people and a government when you tell them you want to buy their land and people. They did not inform the world they are broke or need money? If trump buys their lands (and peoples) how will the money be shared? The Greenlanders have no affiliation or relations with the US, how do you think they can merge together in a country. I thought you guys are alleging Nigeria is a contraption of unrelated tribes and people forced together, and you want everyone to go their separate ways. Why then do you want to force Scandinavians with Americans? |
coluka:You people and referendum, it's like an obsession. Did the people and government of Greenland ask for a referendum? You want to impose a referendum on Greenland, the way IPOB want to impose a referendum on the whole of the Niger delta? As Danish citizens, Greenlanders have all the rights and privileges of Danish citizens. Do you know the social security privileges and benefits of a Danish citizens? The US doesn't even come close. |
coluka:Danish citizens would love being US citizens? You are either highly ignorant or Trump's ass does not make you think clearly. Countries With The Best Quality Of Life, 2019How many Scandinavian citizens want to become US citizens when the quality of life in Scandinavia is higher than that of the US:- Trump said he wanted more immigrants from places like Norway. Now he’s using policy to try to make it happen. |
coluka:When I say you are too deep into Trump's ass you complain. How can you support Trump's offer to buy a land and people not for sale? I am sure you will defends trump if he proposes to buy your whole family with wife, mother and sisters included. When the US bought those territories you love to use as examples, it was practically barren land, with little or no human habitation, being administered by a country far away. If it was populated, I am sure the people would have fought for independence from the US. The marshal Islands was captured from Japan during WW2, and used for their nuclear tests. They fought and gained independence after being under the US for 40 years. Greenland has a population of about 57,000 people, running their own government and economy. What happens to these people after Trump buys Greenland? Will the people become us citizens or they will be asked to vacate their ancestral lands for the US to occupy? |
kiddkash:Because he is using Hitler's big lie technique; " If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed." - Adolf Hitler |
In all these grammar, I did not see what was sold or what was bought? No government will give away millions or dollars just because a piece of paper was signed. If so then government officials can just sell the country with a piece of paper and arbitration panel I London or Japan will just ratify it. If this was done with a reasonable country, it will be seen as a declaration of war. |
ablemachine:Come back to where? Do you have houses, jobs, stable income for them in your tiny landlocked area that is being ravaged by erosion? Just because you have nothing to lose doesn't mean you want others to lose all they have. Sorry, I forgot to add; what of majority in the west, should they not be warned to come back also? |
Pentasoft1978:Libel kwa? When we say IPOB - both leaders and followers are stark illiterates, they start getting insultive. ICJ was not set up for libel, but for genocide and crimes against humanity. There is a complicated process before the ICJ can even begin to try alleged war crimes and, besides the ICJ can only only bare it's fangs against African leaders or learders from third world countries, the US and the other world's powers don't even take the ICJ serious. Al-Basir of Sudan had been declared wanted by the ICJ over a decade ago, he is still walking free ( well free in his country's prison). Kanu is not hiding but he disappeared for over a year, so much so that even his people did not know his whereabouts. Kanu is not hiding, but he cannot step foot in Nigeria. Kanu only has mouth. He only talks his sheepish followers into endangering their lives, so he can scream genocide to the ICJ, US, UN, UK, ISRAEL, ETC. |
nairavsdollars:IPOB are not demonstrating against Buhari as UBA Ubani claims, they are in Japan to arrest Now, how will Barrister Ubani call that a normal practice. While urging President Buhari to address the grievances of the IPOB members, Ubani said while the President may not do that in Japan where he is currently participating in the 7th Tokyo International Conference, he can do that immediately he returns to Nigeria so that IPOB members who felt they have been treated badly can have a sense of belonging in the country.What are the grievances that IPOB want Buhari to address? That he should submit his DNA to kanu to proof he is not dead? or he should order a referendum, which is beyond his constitutional powers as president? It is only the national assembly that can include referendum in our constitution. Or that he should abdicate his office as president because of hatred by Igbos for his sins during the civil war? What exactly are ipob grievances? “I think IPOB members are saying there are certain things that the President has done back home against IPOB members and they are there in Japan to express those grievances. I have never seen leaders trying to engage those protesters on the international fora to discuss issues”.What has the president done to IPOB that was not done to other groups challenging the authority of the president ? Kanu and his group were becoming lawless and causing all sort of nuisance. They were issuing threats to security men, hausas, Yorubas, and even promised to bring the presidents head on a plate. The were forming, Biafran Secret Service within a sovereign Nigeria. No government in the world will tolerate these nonsense. IPOB main goal is just to cause anarchy and chaos in nigeria, just because they hate the current president. |
Pusyiter:IPOB don change gear again, from Buhari was not invited to G7 meeting because he is not respected like leaders of South Africa, Senegal, etc, to Buhari is not in Japan, to "What of the ones we had with China, India, Germany etc what have been the result?", how many times will IPOB change gear? They are waiting for Reno to shift their gear again. |
Larryfest:What of the pastor and the church that labelled the girl of possessing evil spirits and recommend beating as cure, should they not be liable too? Are they not accessories to the crime? Until religious organizations are made to bear the consequences of their doctrines, we will continue sinking further into the shit hole. |
coluka:Are you saying climate change is a hoax? Are you insinuating all the CO2 we are pumping into the atmosphere from our cars, factories and machines does not have any effect on the climate? Are you insinuating that the Ozone hole cause by CFC gasses, which led to the banning of CFCs in refrigerators, a hoax? Are you insinuating that the Sahara desert is not moving south at an alarming rate? Are you insinuating that the forests of the world including the African and Amazon forests are not being depleted, leading to massive soil erosion? Please explain why you believe most climate scientists are wrong and only Trump and very few supporters are right. |
coluka:Sorry, I thought you were the person who was defending Trump's stupid diplomatic spat over his ridiculous offer to buy greenland, an a autonomous territory under Denmark. |
coluka:If you could remove your head from Trump's ass for a second, you will see that these two territories were offered for sale by their owners themselves. Russia was in a war in crimea, and did not want the extra burden of defending a large "unprofitable" land far away from the homeland with very little population. Same issue with Virgin Islands, the island had become increasingly unprofitable and expensive to govern from Denmark, so they were looking for anyone to sell too. Mind you this was in the 18th and early 19th century, where travel and communication with a territory far away from the homeland was difficult. Now, what is the basis of Trump offering the buy a territory in the 21st century, that is already autonomous, with a defined government. That is an insult to the people and government of that territory. Did they tell you or Trump that they are broke or unable to defend the territory? |
Cherez:It's fairly easy to confirm the identity of so called Nigerians on execution list in Saudi Arabia, just a Facebook or Google search should reveal their profile, unless they are using fake names. Most of the FBI arrested criminals are found either on Facebook or Twitter. |
ezenwajosh:How is Japan a FAIR ground? Are you telling us that the Japanese ARMY, AIR FORCE, POLICE, NAVY, etc, will let you get near Buhari? Will the NIGERIA ARMY, AIR FORCE, POLICE, NAVY not shoot anyone that posses any danger to Buhari? Nigeria should have been a fairer ground, because as you claim? You have millions of supporters in Nigeria who are not afraid to die. The total number of IPOB members that will confront Buhari in Japan cannot be up to 50. |
ezenwajosh:You guys are just seeking attention like a baby screaming and rolling on the floor seeking the mothers attention. Jubrin was in Nigeria campaigning from state to state before the last elections, you did not deem it fit to confront him to obtain his DNA. Jubrin goes to mosque every Friday, in fact he went his home town to celebrate the Sallah festivities, you did not deem it fit to arrest him then Once he leaves Nigeria to visit a foreign country, you guys suddenly discover your bravery and match to go and arrest and disgrace him. Now answer me, who is the coward. You guys crave media attention like an addiction crave cocaine. |
aremuforlife:Read the headline. You are on the wrong thread. |
aremuforlife:If they obtain Delusion mixed with ignorance. |
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