₦airaland Forum

three:
When will Nigeria get rid of it's messiah complex?

People think one man can change the rot even in the face of compromised administrative structures!

Nigeria as is, without strong institutions, is not setup to succeed

Forget strong institutions, institutions are manned by people and not machines, aliens or angels, an institution is as strong as the people running it.

What we need is a cultural, moral and value revolution that allows a Nigerian to aspire for more than basic materialistic sensations.

The story get as e be. What will the thieves do with stolen Meningitis vaccines? It cant be sold in the open market. If they say the money for the vaccines had been stolen, that would make sense, but the vaccines themselves? that is improbable. Storage of vaccines need special care and cold storage, else the vaccines will be useless. Are they telling us that the thieves have vaccine storage and transportation facilities?

Uberalles:
Let's call a spade a spade.

Kemen did not rape Tboss. He was given green light all the way. He went to cash in however inappropriate it may seem. He made a move she rejected he stopped. All this bearing in mind someone who is sleeping would be oblivious to the act and as such unable to resist/reject. in this case fortunately for him she moved and he did not proceed.

I respect women and I would say it is totally inappropriate to touch a woman who is sleeping most especially when a relationship has not been defined.Only Kemen knows what his intentions were.
It is not accurate to call the act rape. neither is it accurate to call the act attempted rape. I do agree though it is wrong for a female to be touched without her consent and this is where Kemen erred.

Let the man be he has learnt his lesson many others have learnt this as well .Allow him to grow and thrive and to correct his past act by treating women with respect.

If it could be proven that his finger penetrated her private part while under the sheets, that would be considered legally as rape. Making a move is not sticking your fingers up a lady's ass.

When did Tboss give Kemem the green lights? She told him severally she was not interested.

I am still at loss as to how Rotimi Amaechi entered the picture. How did FFK or Olayinka link Amaechi to Osborne Towers and the cash stored in a flat there?

I suspect that maybe because Mo Abudu lives in one of the flats and FFK suspects Amaechi is Shining Mo's congo, therefore any cash found in any flat at Osborne Towers must belong to Amaechi.

SalamRushdie:
So these people have succeeded in protecting Lootimi Hammerchi

Can you please explain to us what Lootimi Hammerchi connection is to the whole sage. Does Lootimi Hammerchi own a flat at Osborne Towers? Does Lootimi Hammerchi's ministry include NIA?

Foxyn:
I've been following some non-christians thread here for some years now..

And I always admire their ways of thinking

Also at some point, I always feel like I should give up with Christianity and join the atheist movement though at one time in my life I was a committed deist.

But this very one question always draw me back and make me have a rethink


since the (atheists) always believe that there is no God, How come the demons always tremble when they hear the name of his son JESUS?

Is it that there is some sort of power in that name?

Why are they afraid of the name?

should this be a sign that Jesus is real, same as God himself?

The Creator of all things.. hmm

please y'all should convince a niqqer thanks

There is no atheist movement, so there is nothing to join. Atheism is a personal conviction, it does not require group or mop action for validation.

If atheists do not believe in God(s), it is obvious they do no believe in Devil(s), demons, angels, mami water, etc, also.

What is a Demon and why will they tremble? How do they even tremble. If you have seen a demon tremble before please give us a graphic description.

There is power in any name or phrase the believer confers on it. Christians believe the sound Jesus is powerful and can perform wonders at the sound of the name. Muslims believe the sound Allahu Akbar is powerful and shouting it came make them do wonderful things. Buddhists believe chanting "Om Mani Padni Om" can confer on them great spiritual powers, eckists believe chanting "Hu" can make their soul travel to unimaginable levels. It depends on what the believer believes.

The Biblical character called Jesus could not have been called Jesus at the period he was said to be alive. Jesus is a Roman name, just like peter, Judas, Markus, etc. These characters were named by the Romans much after the personalities had died. Jesus was said to be named Joshua or Yeshua which is a Jewish name. So the Name Joshua should be name that has power.

Ever8054:
it make sense to you but so foolish to me..

That is why I suggest you go back to school to improve your biology and comprehension.
Without death how will you feed and live? The food you eat is dead plants or animals before you can digest it to release the energy contained. The fish you used to prepare that pepper soup was once living and minding its business under the ocean.
When you die bacteria, termites and worms would eat your body to provide nutrients for plants which in turn will feed others.

Without death there would be no life.

Ever8054:
the worst calamity to mankind is death,so what's science doing about it?..because no matter how many hospitals you build and equipped disease can never be conquer and death is inevitable,

Death is not and never the worst calamity to mankind. Without death the world would be in chaos. Without death there can be no birth. Death is the ingredient for birth. The materials left behind by the dead is used to assemble new life. That is the way stars are born, live and die, and materials from the dead stars are used to born new stars. Same for living things, plants need dead organic matter as nutrients. Animals need consume dead plants or animals to live.

Ever8054:
sir,as a Christian,personally what I call beneficial to my life is that thing that will contribute to my spiritual growth and will draw me closer to my creator..and all you just mentioned cant offer me such.
..what matters to we Christians are things of the spirit and not things of the world.
the difference between we and you is that,.we believe in the fact that our existence is totally the work of a supernatural design while you guys has no base as to your existence.

Are you implying electricity, internet, telephony, antibiotics, electronic reader and books and other inventions based on scientific knowledge does not contribute to your spiritual growth? Now answer this question, can you have spiritual growth if you fail to grow physically and mentally?

Since you christians claim things of this world do not matter to you, then why are you enjoying material things of this world like phones, TVs, Cars, etc, why not drink cyanide like followers of Jim Jones of Jonestown and join your God in to enjoy everlasting in spirit. I do not see why you still cling tenaciously to this world.

Please explain how the belief that your existence is the design of a supernatural being provides a basis and reason for your existence.

you are existing because you exist.

I love this your statement; I exist because i exist. This is similar to the verse; I am who I am, in the bible.

now to make you understand things better,..science is the source of nature,that very nature you guys has not been able to ascertain its source.. or you do,'but for academic relevance has refused to agree with reality that God is the source of nature that is why God is the greatest scientist. that is if you insist to take it from science regards.

Science never claimed to be the source of nature, science on attempts to sturdy and explain nature.
If you say that your God is the source of nature, the onus falls on you to provide your evidence so that scientists can study and verify it.

..I wonder how you guys feel comfortable to take away intelligence from creation not considering the logic that is so glaring even on you as a figure.
..just look at the design and functions of your body parts. e.g your mouth to eat food,intestine and others to digest the food, anus to excrete and make way for another food,and availability of the food.
eye to see your way..ears to hear,brain to reason,hands to fold perfectly to perform suitable functions,..the amazing of it all...male and female organs for reproductive purpose.. ha..consider those things then come back and tell me there is no intelligence behind this arrangements but....then tell me its by chance...

The above is just senseless ramble. If you do not have mouth to eat food, intestine and other organs to digest food, your cells and body would not have the necessary energy to function and survive, so you can not exist in the first place. If you do not have an anus, how else would you excrete poisonous waste products of the food to take into your body? Same thing applies to all other organs of the body, if you do not have ears, eyes brains, hands, legs, etc, you will not exist.

Ever8054:
sir,yes I can conveniently tell you that, what ever it is that scientific theories has tried to explain do not explain anything to benefit me as a Christian. it might benefit you cause your faith depends on it while the bible has explained to me all I should hold unto for my own benefit..hope at this point you will understand why it is important for atheist to stop asking questions about God and face there scientific theories?..cause they seek answers that they don't need.

Are you for real, Scientific theories has not benefited you?

Are you saying the Germ Theory has not benefited you? So you still believe leprosy and other diseases are caused by evil spirits and demons and not germs?
You have not benefited from scientific theories but you are using a computer or smartphone to communicate here on Nairaland and not employ spirits and angels to pass your messages to others. The electricity you are using depends on Electron Theory.

As i said earlier, if you guys do not want atheists asking questions of your God, then stop disturbing them about your God.

Ever8054:
who ever that proposed the theory of big bang or who ever that wanted to make it part of Christian doctrine does not implies its written in the Bible that we believe it's records. that's why it has been handed over to the atheist as there own doctrine cause you guys are so confused that you needed something to hold unto to keep them going.
so if you deny the big bang theory, what else do you have to explain existence?.. ha..

Your posts reeks of so much ignorance.
So you are implying that because, the Germ theory, the atomic theory, the Pythagoras theory, and all other scientific theories were not written in the Bible, they should be rejected by Christians and viewed as being handed over to atheists as their doctrines.

You have no idea of what the big bang theory is or what it helps to explain about the universe. The big bang theory never portend to explain existence, it only tries to explain the expanding universe.

Ever8054:
definition..(shove) to push especially,roughly or forcefully.
..(preaching)..the act of delivering a sermon or similar moral instructions..

to your second question, there is no where in my post mentioned that atheist shoves there believe on anyone..I only advice them to stop disturbing themselves and others with questions about a God they believe do not exist.

Atheists will stop disturbing themselves and others with questions about a God they believe does not exist when theists stop disturbing them and others about a God they believe does not exist.

Ever8054:
the moment you realized we preaching and shoving are 2 different things the better for you...that's why you are preached to but not forced to believe...

Are you serious? You mean someone screaming with a load speaker from 5:00AM, waking me and my children everyday is only preaching and not shoving? Someone disturbing my eardrum, screaming at the top of his voice throughout my journey from Lagos to Abuja is preaching and not shoving? Please differentiate between what you understand by shoving and preaching.

You now need to explain to me how atheists have shoved atheism down you or anyone's throat, have any atheist knocked on your door telling you to become an atheist? Are you saying that when Christians like you attack atheists - both verbally and physically, they should not respond but simply turn the other cheek?

Wrong headline. This is what the actual report said;

According to a social media user who shared the photos,the young boy below represented his UAE-based elder brother who couldn’t make it to his own wedding introduction

This is an introduction ceremony where the two families officially meet each other. This is a fairly common practice most most tribes in Africa. If the intending bride or groom or even both are not available for the formal introduction, any member of their family can represent either parties.

Cjrane2:
This is one area where Obasanjo showed he was a better President than Jonathan.

If Jonathan had over seen the deregulation of telecoms we would still have Nigerian companies billing us to death and to call the next city would still be an ordeal.

Unfortunately Buhari is too focused on paddy-paddy government to seriously review the DISCOS deal and allow competent foreign firms to buy the DISCOS and take over.

Yes, Jonathan's privatization of NEPA was a fiasco, he just sold NEPA assets to political friends with no experience, capital or interest in the power industry, that is why the Gencos have not added 1kw of electricity.
The Discos on the other hand are not even interested in buying electricity from the Gencos, they buy only minimal electricity which they flash whenever they are ready to carry ladder around to disconnect consumers, whom they rip off with outrageous estimated bills.
Why should they buy electricity when they can bill consumers anyhow they like without providing electricity. The Discos will never provide meters as that would spoil their illegalized criminal business.

KingEbukasBlog:
Wow . How is that possible please explain . And after you are done , select which you think is logical

1. Infinite Regress

2. First Cause [Eternal , Necessary Existent , Self Existent, Self Sufficient , Non Contingent ]

3. Something out of literally nothing uncaused .

The problem of infinite regress is not different from the problem of finite regress. How does one determine where the regress stops. How many levels of regress are there? ie, like the universe was created by a God, who was created by a God, who was created by a God, who is then the fiirst Cause [Eternal , Necessary Existent , Self Existent, Self Sufficient , Non Contingent]

i prefer to go with the no regress model, ie the universe is eternal with everything contained therein. It only changes form.

KingEbukasBlog:
All matter and energy came into being at the initial cosmological singularity. Physicists and Cosmologists Barrow and Tipler made this observation after their research : "At this singularity, space and time came into existence; literally nothing existed before the singularity, so, if the Universe originated at such a singularity, we would truly have a creation ex nihilo.

False! Energy did not come into being at any cosmological singularity, the very definition of singularity means infinite energy of no volume (space).
Of course matter, space and it's consequence time ( time is a consequence of space (distance) and motion (speed), without distance and speed, there cannot be time) came into being from the singularity at the big bang. Please give me a link where Barrow and Tipler said nothing (energy) existed before the big bang or the singularity popped into existence from nothing.

Even models created by Physicists Hartle and Hawking did not rule out God's existence , it just tried to eliminate the need for God during creation by making the universe seem self contained by introducing imaginary numbers in Einsteins gravitational equation thus making the universe have no boundary or edge . Hawking admitted he was wrong in the article I gave you .

Hawkings was just being a professional scientist - presenting both sides of the argument. Hawkings is not a theist.

Hawking also stated clearly in that article that the universe material [s] or in any supposed form has not existed forever and the laws of physics bespeak of a finite universe though these laws do not make it clear how the universe began .[/s]

The strike through is your own conjecture and interpretation

You know what , I wonder why you atheists blatantly ignore science whenever it clearly contravenes your wishful thoughts of an eternal universe . I told you that in that in that write up that an eternal universe does not automatically eliminate the existence of God instead this eternal universe still depends on the existence of God though its eternal nature supposes necessarily existence . And I used abstract objects which are uncreated in an explanation I posted to Kay17 to how being an uncreated entity does not contest with God's supremacy .

It is you theists that tries to extrapolate your own dogma and beliefs into science. Science has told us that over 65% of the universe consist of a dark unknown energy, that another about 20% consist of dark matter that does not seem to interact with light and that only 5% consist of all matter we know. You guys view the whole universe as this 5% of known matter.
An eternal universe with an eternal God would be the subject of a different argument.

KingEbukasBlog:
Keep Deceiving yourself

www.hawking.org.uk/the-beginning-of-time.html

You seem obsessed with this lecture of Stephen hawkings. You are using it to reach a conclusions that your Jewish God created the universe, a conclusion even Hawkings did not reach. I am certain you did not read or understand the whole lecture, Hawkings was simply giving two different hypothesis of the beginning of the universe, one that is in need of an external agent and one that does not. You are simply fixated with the model that requires an external agent and ignore the one that does not.
Hawkings never said there was nothing before the big bang or the big bang started from nothing, this is what he said;

At this time, the Big Bang, all the matter in the universe, would have been on top of itself. The density would have been infinite. It would have been what is called, a singularity. At a singularity, all the laws of physics would have broken down. This means that the state of the universe, after the Big Bang, will not depend on anything that may have happened before, because the deterministic laws that govern the universe will break down in the Big Bang. The universe will evolve from the Big Bang, completely independently of what it was like before. Even the amount of matter in the universe, can be different to what it was before the Big Bang, as the Law of Conservation of Matter, will break down at the Big Bang.

So i wonder where you got the erroneous idea that scientists say there was nothing before the big bang.

If you particle physics, the basic constituents of matter are atoms, which are composed of protons, neurons and electrons ( with their anti particle counterparts ), and protons, neutrons and protons are made of quarks, all these were created at the big bang. Hydrogen and a bit of helium was created immediately after the big bang, all other elements were created inside stars way after the big bang.

I am wasting my time explaining these principle not because i hope to convince (or even educate you), as you are already set in your misconceptions, but to educate the young inquisitive scientific minds.

KingEbukasBlog:
All matter , energy , space , time were created in the Big Bang .

No science textbook will tell you that energy was created at the big bang.

A cornucopia of scientific evidences show that the universe has a beginning , anything outside this is a belief . Many atheists strongly believe that science could be wrong about our universe having a beginning . Prior to the discovery of so many remarkable evidences supporting a finite universe , ancient atheists were intransigent of their view of an eternal universe . They believed that a finite universe would be an irrefragable evidence that a creator does exist but an eternal universe would strongly suggest that no creator exist . But how true is this view ? Let's look at the three popular concepts of creation :

The bolded is not exactly correct. Your conclusions are based on wrong premises. There are no scientific evidence that the universe has a beginning? There are evidences that the material universe has beginning, but the universe is composed of much more than matter, in fact the material universe you are familiar with comprises less less than 5% of the known universe.

Yes, the universe has always been, the universe is and the universe will always be. Remember the law of conservation of energy -energy can neither be created nor destroyed but can only be transformed into other forms. Matter is a form of energy, motion is a form of energy, even space is a form of energy.

In the beginning, there was only raw energy, the big bang transformed some of this raw energy into matter, motion and space.

The universe is far bigger than your Jewish old man or his only begotten son, who goes around fighting for the Jews or exhibit all the petty negative emotions seen in humans.

If Ibori could be acquitted of all 170 charges of corruption against him by the Nigerian judiciary, how much is 18 count charge against a highly influential l member of the same judiciary?

I suggest his case should be taken to the British judiciary, he will plea bargain and confess himself, just like Ibori.

actrinity:
I Seriously wish and pray that this name BIAFRA will be changed to UNITED IGBOLAND or REPUBLIC OF IGBOLAND with only igbo nation. I'm tired of seeing other nationalities of lower niger insults larger igbo nation like this. They don't know that it's only igbo that is still saving them in this contraption. I pray everyday for sovereignty of igboland, so that they wil know how important igbo is to them. They will not see any land to claim if igbo secedes alone. North in conjunction of west is dealing with them now through constitutional fraud and system of govt, they've never come out in mass to reject it, but always insults themselves whenever biafra is mentioned, even though it's so glaring about the biafra's proposed regionalism with 100% resource control, which nigeria will never grant them.

If the proposed Biafra is 100% resource control, how will you people survive? Where will you get money to run your government? How will you get foreign exchange to import your China products? How will you get foreign currencies to defend your new proposed currency?
As of present the IGR from the south east states is abysmal. The total IGR cannot run just one state, and I have not even talked about running a federal government.

unstableaswater:
Tell ur Government to call a referendum and stop pussy footing about. Call a referendum, it is that simple.

What concerns me, an itsekiri man with a referendum? If you guys want a referendum, fight for it. Tell your politicians to demand for it, write the UN to help you out. Do whatever you want to do. No itsekiri man, and I repeat no itsekiri man had ever asked for a referendum on Biafra.

unstableaswater:
Are Itsekiri the only people in Delta? Dont we have igbos in Delta?

We are not arguing that there are no Igbos in Delta, what we are saying is limit your Biafra to Igbos in delta, leave itsekiris out of it.

By the way, wat map is he talking about? There are no Official map of Biafra, all we have is a proposal.

The map that IPOB is brandishing around. Are you telling us that you guys do not have a physical map of your proposed country? So you guys have been protesting and dying for a country without defined borders?

I advice the paid per post Itsekiri leader to engage himself with the struggle that sees Itsekiri oil feeds Itsekiri people and not Northern Oligarchy.

Are you the one paying the itsekiri leaders and youths? I still ask why are you taking panadol for itsekiri's problems? What concerns you with who feeds on our oil? Are you aware that Itsekiri oil also feed south east oligarchy? Without oil derivation from the Niger delta, all south east states will crumble.

NwaforIgbo:
\

U be real MUMU, God!!! MANY ARE MAD INDEED, BUT FEW ARE ROAMING. Who tell u say them want fight u. Who force uy to join, who Know Itshkiri outside Nigeria (SS to be precise)

Evidence that IPOB youths are yet to fully evolve to human beings, you create a conflict and then turn around to and get annoyed at others for the problem you created in the first place.
No need to get livid, simply tell your director to remove warri from your proposed Biafra, and never you mention warri and Biafra in the same sentence again. Henceforth, you will not have any problem with the itsekiris or my urhobo and Ijaw brothers.

Nebuchadnezar:
[s][/s]

you're so daft not to know that politicians are after their own interests which affects poor man.
yes the bold you mentioned want to be free from Nigeria and better their lives so the opinion of 0.005 % of our politicians and so called igbo intellectuals don't matter.
hope you know that traditional rulers are now joining the movement
what of soludo Utomi and co that paid a courtesy visit to nnamdi kanu?
those people are they touts too?
keep deceiving yourself dude
truth is talking

I am surprised that you are not intelligent enough to understand that Biafra is a political problem and can only be realized by politicians. What 25million touts and jobless youths cannot achieved can be achieved by 10 respected Igbo politicians and intellectuals. Senator Ekweremadu, Okonjo Iweala, Oby Ezekwelisi, Chinamanda Aduche, Linda Ikeji, Gov. Wike, P-Square, Obi of Onitsha can achieve Biafra far more efficiently than IPOB, MASSOB and all other Biafra organizations added together.
Ordinary 2 face Idibia called for a protest and the Buhari administration was shaking and had to beg ( maybe bribe) him to step down.

So because Pat Utomi and Charles Soludo went to visit Kanu and plead for his release means they support Biafra? I tire for you peoples thinking faculty. Have you read anywhere that they support Biafra?

Nebuchadnezar:
[s][/s]
i pity you that you've been bewitched by those serial igbo haters who use those lines to promote their undying hate for igbos and their cause which is freedom from this pit hole.

ok let me sound it into your head and the heads of those people like you
a simple street survey shows that 99% of igbos traders, Okada riders, jobless youths and touts want to be free from Nigeria
Ipob as a United body is pursuing that and making it reality so technically ipob is working in the interest of majority of igbos.
the opinion of 0.005 % of sycophants and brainwashed fellows doesn't count here.
deal with the truth that
Ipob is igbo and Igbo is ipob
kiss the truth

See the bolded for correction.

Meanwhile 99% of Igbo intelligentsia, proffesionals, politicians and traditional rulers are for Nigeria.

Jman06:
I've not insulted them! I only stated the fact, which is that they are unproductive.

Personally, i only care about igbos in anioma where i happen to have some ties.

And you think you people are more productive? You call importing and trading substandard products from China productive? It seems you do not know much about the itsekiris. Ask your brothers trading in warri to tell you more about the itsekiris.

slysteel:
Population of igbos 45million and population of itsekiri people 853 thousand,in a tiny part of delta state,even a small igbo village can take care of you people,minority people don dey make noise too for that hole called naija...

Ego do una like 3D cinema. Make una try invade itsekiri lands with your 45million Igbo population now, Una go know say war no be by population alone.
Read about the population ratio of the Arabs and the Jews during the wars of 1949 and 1972 as a reference.

Fremancipation:
So many igbos here on nairaland has voiced the same opinion that itshekiri, urohbo, and ijaw should be left alone. IPOB Needs redraw that map and focus on people that truely want freedom and forget those that chose to remain in bondage.

Which one concern you if we choose to remain in bondage? I no understand why e dey pain una that much. Why can't you fight for your freedom alone?

kingzizzy:
These threads with some tribes saying "remove us from Biafran map"


When they put you people in 'Nigerian Map', what did you do?

So because they put us in 'Nigeria map' and we did nothing, we should also do nothing when Igbo people put us in 'Biafra map'? Besides, we had a protectorate treaty with those that put us in Nigeria map ( even if we were not consulted), what is the relationship we have with those that want to force us into Biafra map?

felixomor:
The Universe is all of time and space and its contents.....
- Wikipedia....


Educate thyself.

Please quit spreading ignorance that the universe is time, space and matter. The most annoying aspect is that you remain stubborn in your ignorance.

The matter you are familiar with is said to constitute only about 4.9% of the universe, dark energy is estimated to constitute over 65% of the universe.

See this from Wikipedia

Assuming that the standard model of cosmology is correct, the best current measurements indicate that dark energy contributes 68.3% of the total energy in the present-day observable universe. The mass–energy of dark matter and ordinary (baryonic) matter contribute 26.8% and 4.9%, respectively, and other components such as neutrinos and photons contribute a very small amount.[3][4][5][6] The density of dark energy (~ 7 × 10−30 g/cm3) is very low, much less than the density of ordinary matter or dark matter within galaxies. However, it comes to dominate the mass–energy of the universe because it is uniform across space.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy