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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by wirinet(m): 8:45am On Mar 10, 2023
benalvino3:
your god George Floyd died of a drug overdose. Cry me a river.
Honestly, I have never seen a more delusional person in this life. You create a belief to justify your right wing extremist views, then you manufacture lies and half truths to support that belief not minding they are glaringly false.

Medical report by qualified medical professionals rule the cause of George Floyd's death to be Homicide and not drug overdose.
Oya start with your wild conspiracy theories of deep state, Globalist propaganda or other stupid excuses
See the report attached below

knee on his windpipe? Oya show us what you claimed.
See this video I have posted many times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vksEJR9EPQ8&feature=shares
Pay attention from 5:25 to 5:45.

The person you are talking about says stress can lead to stroke, so what is your point? do you even read or you are just always heartbroken when someone does not agree with you?
I am more heart broken by your level of delusion, your deviation from reality. Even Trump's family, staff and lawyers has limitations to the absurdity they can go defending Trump and right wing extremists.


anytime you type something here it is to misrepresent someone or lie.
I point out your lies with proof from reputable sources, why not point out my lies with sources outside right wing extremist media.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by wirinet(m): 9:45pm On Mar 09, 2023
budaatum:
It was a stroke. Go read up on causes of stroke and stress then tell me what you find.

To be honest, if you don't understand the suicides, I'm best leaving you to it.
You are wasting your time and bandwidth arguing with benalvino3 and his alter ego basilico. Someone that believes Goerge Floyd died of drug overdose and not the knee on his wind pipe (neck) is the person that you are trying to convince that internal injury or excessive stress can lead to stroke.
Politics › Re: INEC’s Application To Court To Reconfigure BVAS Raises Integrity Questions by wirinet(m): 8:06pm On Mar 07, 2023
Luckysbab:
The data has been backed up, for God's sake. The machines are what needs to be reconfigured, not the data.

Why una just like Nzogbu zogbu like this, without thinking things through.
The problem is the other parties don't trust INEC, so they have no confidence in any data purportedly stored by INEC. The parties want to copy the data themselves and have it verified by INEC, then they can back them up and delete them.
Politics › Re: INEC’s Application To Court To Reconfigure BVAS Raises Integrity Questions by wirinet(m): 8:02pm On Mar 07, 2023
Livelystone01:
When you comment on sport threads, you sound intelligent but alas, I've seen through your veil.


A smart person should know that all INEC needs to do is to upload everything it has to their back end server without losing any information and do whatever they want.

Do you want INEC to use incident forms to conduct the gubernatorial election? Don't you know that it will lead to massive rigging to the extent that no incumbent would lose?

Whatever is uploaded to cloud stays there, some of you guys are so emotional to see beyond your noses.
So you mean to tell me that INECs BVAS machine cannot store the voter register of both federal and state elections at the same time? Something an average Chinese smartphone can achieve. So how much memory is in the machines?

Besides what the other parties are demanding from INEC is a forensic audit of the machines. Then the info stored on the cloud is not the original information but a copy. The one in the cloud can be challenged. You require the original information that was captured by the machines.
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Are Your Favourite Bible Characters? by wirinet(m): 8:51am On Mar 05, 2023
OboOlora:
Eve, Delilah and Jezebel tongue
I agree eve should be a heroine. Without her humans would still dumb animals wothout knowledge walking naked in the garden of Eden. There would not be sex and procreation and God would have to continuously molding clay to create more men, who would then need to have a rib removed to create corresponding women.
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Are Your Favourite Bible Characters? by wirinet(m): 8:47am On Mar 05, 2023
Thomas. He did not believe just by hearsay or second person evidence. He Saw with his own eyes and felt with his own fingers.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by wirinet(m): 10:15am On Mar 04, 2023
benalvino3:
repost; coolusername, raumdeuter

If we have learned anything in the protests, riots, looting, and violence that follows after the death of George Floyd, it is about the power of hate. All this started because a cop killed a man using a questionable technique for a ridiculously long time. This was yet another example of a police officer using his authority and position in this case literally, and the conversation should have been about the lack of training lack of discipline, lack of oversight and questionable hiring practices in police departments, but that did not happen because the officer Derek Chauvin is white and the man he killed, George Floyd is black. The conversation became all about racism even though it is not clear that racism was a factor in Chauvin’s actions. The usual suspects, like Black Lives Matter, Antifa and a number of other far left Marxist groups exploited the country's anger over Floyd's death and spun into little more than a mob revolt. For all the peaceful protests, there were riots, looting, shootings, stabbings, assaults, and murders, most of which were ignored or downplayed by the left leaning press in favour of the race based narratives: that all cops are racists and are hunting black people and that all white people are racist and need to apologize for the privilege of having low melanin. Even the peaceful protest evolved into pushing this narrative, which quickly led to some of the most openly racist language in the US in decades and virtually all of it directed at white people. Part of this is likely due to the countries Frustration to being in lockdown for months due to the global pandemic. There is only so long that most people can bear being kept inside, especially as the summer approach and the opportunity to go out and protest presented people with the chance to vent. An act that apparently PREVENTS THE SPREAD of the virus BUT ONLY WHEN THERE IS A PROTEST AGAINST RACISM or for abolishing the police, but that was only part of the reason. The real reason is that, this racial divide has been building up for years, Stoked primarily by the left pushed to the forefront by progressives, and finally evangelized by the Socialist Marxist fringes on the far left, and make no mistake, THIS HAS BECOME A RELIGION complete with it's Saints, it's doctrines, it's altars it’s questionable truths and it's demons.
I cringe any time I read your advocacy for white interests and talking points, even much more than most known white extremists. You isolate issues from their real context in order angelize extreme right wing talking points and agenda and the demonize any black relate issue.

You take the George Floyd saga in isolation and causally attribute it to "lack of training lack of discipline, lack of oversight and questionable hiring practices in police departments", asking the blacks and the world to forget decades of racism they had undergone in the US.
You are asking blacks in the US to forget Amadou Diallo, who was shot 41 times by police officers in front of his house.
You are asking blacks in the US to forget about Oscar Grant,who was shot in the back with his hands tied behind his back by police officers, you are asking blacks for forget about Micheal Brown, Eric Gardner, Gary King Jr, and so many young men who were needlessly killed by white police officers.
And worst of all, you are saying that the civil right movement never happened, that police did not kill black youths sometimes setting dogs on unarmed black protesters.

To you these events were as a result of "the lack of training lack of discipline, lack of oversight and questionable hiring practices in police departments"

I am sure If you were a police officer that was deployed to quell a protest or riot by "Black Lives Matter, Antifa and a number of other far left Marxist groups" as you call them, you would be more brutal than even white police officers as your hatred for blacks is even more than those of white supremacist s." To you the whites had actually been victims of unfair treatment in the US.

I must confess to say that I have not seen or even heard of a sicker black man.

Politics › Re: Aisha Buhari: Tinubu Will Not Betray Nigerians, His Victory Is God’s Will by wirinet(m): 7:57am On Mar 03, 2023
Jsucre:
If you're destined to be president, the rule will be break no good set of human can change it.

I Don take another eye look am. We move
Noone is destined to be president. That's for kings and queens. Presidents are determined through political maneuvers, treachery, murder and even war.
Politics › Re: Aisha Buhari: Tinubu Will Not Betray Nigerians, His Victory Is God’s Will by wirinet(m): 7:09am On Mar 03, 2023
GloriousGbola:
Unlike her husband Aisha appreciates and reciprocates support

Without Tinubu Buhari would have continued forever on the journey obi is starting
Nigeria should not be about reciprocating support, but about the interest of all nigerians.

Its was not only Tinubu's support that made Buhari president in 2015, many Nigerians from all tribes, religions and works of life - both home and abroad supported Buhari. Even I supported Buhari's against my ijaw brother Jonathan. All polls before the elections gave Buhari victory and that was why Jonathan postponed the elections to buy time.

In this elections, there was no clear favourite, all three candidates could have won, or at worst we would have gone for a runoff. Tinubu might still have won without rigging, but they didn't want to take a chance, and so APC and INEC rigged massively.
Politics › Re: Aisha Buhari: Tinubu Will Not Betray Nigerians, His Victory Is God’s Will by wirinet(m):
Wickedfacts:
2022


You're a liar and a hungry one at that.
You've not been in a church in 10 years but in 2022, you were at Cathedral church of Christ hustling jollof.
Senator Danjuma is a relative, so I was invited. Then I got to the church at the tail end when the service was just rounding up. I went straight to Eko Hotel for the reception.
Politics › Re: Aisha Buhari: Tinubu Will Not Betray Nigerians, His Victory Is God’s Will by wirinet(m): 6:14am On Mar 03, 2023
Khastro:
Well success wishes to Sen. Tinubu. Factually, success to Nigeria, whatever the outcome of post elections litigation comes up to
Jonathan never litigated the outcome of the 2015 elections. Now that's a man of honour. He knew he lost.
Politics › Re: Aisha Buhari: Tinubu Will Not Betray Nigerians, His Victory Is God’s Will by wirinet(m): 6:09am On Mar 03, 2023
Wickedfacts:
Werey dey disguise.
You be atheist but you dey enter church because of birthday jollof
See what religion has turned a normal human being to. Wicked, dishonest and angry soul.

For your info I have not been to a church for over 10 years. Churches (and mosques) are breeding grounds for criminals.
Politics › Re: Aisha Buhari: Tinubu Will Not Betray Nigerians, His Victory Is God’s Will by wirinet(m): 4:42am On Mar 03, 2023
Faber:
God of Rigging abi? Just as we have God of Soccer in football...

Vagina people sef😎
In Nigeria God is justification for every evil imaginable. Boko Haram rapes and murders children and women in the name of God. Kidnappers kill and sell the body parts of their victims in the name of God. Even priests and pastors fleece members of their congregations of their money and dignity in the name of God. Elections are stolen in the name of God.

This was the reason I became an atheist very young in life. I could not in clear conscience worship a God that turn people evil.
Politics › Re: BREAKING: We Can't Find Macron's Copy Of Congratulatory To Tinubu Anywhere by wirinet(m): 5:10pm On Mar 02, 2023
spearman:
A man who came 3rd in an election is inciting followers to stand behind his “mandate”. What should the man who came 2nd then do? It never takes long for a fake leader to unravel.
But a man who came fourth had been declared winner before by the Supreme court in this our obodo Nigeria, so nothing is impossible when it comes to Nigerian elections.
Politics › Re: INEC, Actually Told Us, Results Will Be Collated Manually by wirinet(m): 3:38pm On Feb 28, 2023
Benbellamor:
Transmission to Irev is different from collation

I hope you understand the English...

Transmission using bvas was the Cruz of the new electoral amendment...while manual Collation can be done when uploaded data is established to have been transmitted...
My broda, e shock me o.
People are talking about transmission of result and accreditation, this one is talking about collation. What the similarity. Did INEC promise us digital or electronic collation?
Politics › Re: Atiku Wins Okrika LGA In Rivers, Despite Wike’s Opposition by wirinet(m): 3:31pm On Feb 28, 2023
DeepSight:
In an ideal world, Dino is right, but it is not an ideal world, it is Nigeria.
Even though it's not an ideal world, that doesn't mean we should accept fraud/scams/rigging as normal, and stop striving for idealism. What do you expect dino to do, after numerous assurances from Mahmood Yakubu himself that this would not happen?

Do you deny the probability and likelihood of failure of such tech in the Nigerian environment?
Yes there is a possibly of glitches in the system, but not on the scale as experienced on election day and immidiately after. Various reports from party agents, observers and the general public suggests something more sinister by INEC officials handling the BVAS and IReV. Unexpected failures can be ameliorated or substantially corrected, but INEC did not show any willingness to address the issue.


Don't get me wrong, I am by no means saying there hasn't been some hanky panky. But you really can't say you expected it to go seamlessly in Nigeria with such tech. No one who has lived in Nigeria can expect that.

And what do you do when the hitches unavoidably show up?
I still don't understand the kind of glitches that would not make most of the BVAS machines malfunction at the same time and unresolveable for over 2 days when INEC has a fully functional IT department specifically dedicated for that purpose.
Politics › Re: Atiku Wins Okrika LGA In Rivers, Despite Wike’s Opposition by wirinet(m): 11:56am On Feb 28, 2023
DeepSight:
Well first and foremost let me apologize for my unpleasant words - I was irritated that you called me a liar without justification - and that irritation was worse because of the "I know you as a spiritual guy" line - I truly dislike that sort of subtle blackmail, just the way I hate it when people, in any debate, say to me - "and you are a lawyer, I am disappointed in your argument" - please dont see me as a lawyer, dont see me as spiritual, dont tag me as anything in order to make a statement, just see me as a fellow human you are chatting with - and a flawed one at that.

There is no reason for me to lie, I dont have a dog in this race. I have previously asked people to vote Obi because the other two are just same ol, same ol. But to be frank right now, I dont have a dog in the race. I am completely neutral at this point.

Nonetheless accept my apologies. I don't like speaking like that.

PS: Audi Alteram Partem (This is a Latin saying. It means "Hear the other side." - - - Don't take the words of Dino to the bank. Compare with the words of those who dispute what is said before concluding).



All this is true. I do not deny it. I am not making excuses for INEC. I just know my country too well to expect a tech based system to work smoothly or even anywhere near smoothly in this blighted space. We can't get anything right. This is a country that produces crude oil and natural gas and lacks power. For decades, lacks power. Dwell on that for a minute. Its a contradiction. Hilary Clinton could not understand it when she visited. She wondered how that is possible. Same way, we produce crude and import petrol, and then subsidize it. As Nigerians, we know the truth. The fact that our refineries don't work is deliberate. It is sabotage. It is corrupt capitalism with state collusion at its worst. It is also a measure of negligence, carelessness, recklessness, callousness and incompetence. This is the Nigeria we know very well. Anyone who then imagined BVAS and IREV would be smooth sailing was just living in la la land.

Believe you me, I agree that this election is a nasty one which has been terribly mismanaged. My question is what to do about it? Would you toe the path Obasanjo suggests and cancel the elections? Believe me sir, that would be dangerous and probably do more harm than good. Would you suspend collation until all results are uploaded? If that takes the next three days, do you trust what will transpire in that period? I trust you know that the more time and space you create, the more pranks and games will be played by the interested parties. Any such suspension will be dangerous.

As much as you may mistrust the judiciary, it remains the only reasonable recourse. At least there is much evidence available. Let it be gathered and let those who feel hard done by marshall their case very well and approach the three available courts (The Judiciary, the Court of Public Opinion and the Court of Life. ).
What do you say about Mahmood Yakubu's assurance to the political parties in November 2022 that the results will be uploaded in real time on Election day


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oy5L06zgus

And then his volte-face yesterday when Dino asked him to explain why the results were not posted as promised before he starts announcing the results?
Politics › Re: Atiku Wins Okrika LGA In Rivers, Despite Wike’s Opposition by wirinet(m): 8:05am On Feb 28, 2023
DeepSight:
I find this silly, pathetic and shameful. I have always known you to be rational and unsentimental. That you accuse me of lying is simply beneath you and I am more than disappointed. I heard what I wrote on both Arise and Channels.



Sickeningly, what you attached does not in any way show what I wrote to be any sort of lie - if anything, it affirms it. It says there that "Presidential Election Forms started to be uploaded by 10 pm on Election day" - which was Saturday - whilst I said that as of early today - "early in the day" up to 50k results had been uploaded. In case you are drunk, today is 48 hours (two whole days) AFTER the election day. So how, and where did I tell a lie?

Bear in mind that mine was a reaction to yours stating that you expected a certain amount of uploads by this morning.

You wrote:



Whereas your EU Report stated that uploads started two days ago
So the Report actually shows YOU to be wrong!



You'd better go sleep off whatever narcotic you are on today.
As I said I hold you in high esteem, and so I don't want a verbal spat. Yes I was wrong in asserting that nothing had been uploaded as I was relying on what Dino Melaye said in his protest. But even at that I was appalled and irritated by you trying to excuse INEC by saying;
DeepSight:
In a nation with epileptic power, epileptic internet, epileptic bank transaction alerts, etc, it would be disingenuous of anyone to claim that they would expect the tech behind BVAS and IREV to have been smooth sailing. If anything, as Nigerians, we well expect the contrary.
I honestly do not expect such excuse from you. This is about the sixth general election in this dispensation. The same problems and excuse had been given in each previous election cycle. Nigerians demanded and fought for electronic voting (at least electronic accreditation) to forestall previous problems of where INEC officials just allocate figures. It was experimented during the 2019 elections whereby Atiku alleged that the figures on the server was different from the one accredited by INEC. INEC alleged that they did not upload the results on any server. Meanwhile the supreme court ruled that electronic voting/accreditation is not in the constitution and so cannot render the elections invalid.
I am giving you this background to let you know why Nigerians were passionate about BVAS and IReV. It was even made mandatory in the 2022 election law and guidelines.
Now INEC made promises to the political parties and Nigerians that they would use BVAS and IReV in subsequent elections and indeed used it in all off season elections since. Because of that it gave some credibility to the elections and it was less acrimonious.

These issues you raised about epileptic power supply and scale was equally raised by political parties and knowledgeable Nigerians. INEC assured everyone that they have everything covered, that even if there was no network at the time of election, the uploaded results would be on the machines and would upload automatically once network is available. About scale and bandwidth, INEC assured everyone that they have everything covered. Only for the elections to take place and less than 30% was uploaded a full two days after elections. And they resorted to going back to use the discredited manual accreditation and result sheets. Now after INEC returns a winner the chairman would just resort to the usual "if you are not satisfied, go to court". Meanwhile the supreme court had already ruled that electronic voting/accreditation cannot invalidate an election. Is that not INEC taking Nigerians for granted?

With your excuse of " In a nation with epileptic power, epileptic internet, epileptic bank transaction alerts. . .", the ruling government would make sure these things don't work in order to use this excuse to hold on to power perpetually. Politicians (all over the world) are ready to do anything to hold unto power, including impoverishing its people or even war. We should demand the right things be done - no excuses.

Besides, what did INEC do with the over 300 billion it said it used to conduct the elections? They did not buy vehicles, they did not provide accommodation or even logistics for their staffs - these were provided by state governments. Numerous international bodies gave donations to aid the smooth conduct of the elections. So how much was spent in each of the 774 local government areas that they can't buy power banks and Internet service for the machines?
Politics › Re: Rivers: Tinubu Leads Obi With 42,623 Votes In 11 Lgas Announced So Far by wirinet(m): 11:09pm On Feb 27, 2023
jelel6:
I said yesterday that I was surprised Rivers would vote for Tinubu/APC to any substantial level. They never liked APC. One would expect Obi and PDP to take majority of the votes.

It's hard to explain this result from Rivers but there have been lots of strange results this election. With the way the election has been going, APC don't need to rig Rivers to win overall. Why risk soiling a largely free and fair elections with unnecessary rigging?
It's stupidity on the part of wike. He could get away with such blatant rigging with PDP as PDP is quite popular in Rivers State,but APC winning Rivers is an abomination. He should have just given APC the required 25% if he was wise. Rivers will mar the whole elections if care is not taken. People are beginning to protest and the results have not yet been announced. If Tinubu is announced as winner, there will be riots a over Rivers State.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVbJCQijDXw&feature=shares
Politics › Re: Atiku Wins Okrika LGA In Rivers, Despite Wike’s Opposition by wirinet(m): 10:45pm On Feb 27, 2023
DeepSight:
Its not true that nothing was uploaded. Early in the day, about fifty thousand of the 170k plus polling units had been uploaded, and thats roughly the sort of thing one would expect in Naija where nothing works.
I am still shocked you are making excuses and even ready to lie for INECs shoddy organisation of the elections? Why? I have always known you to be an upright and spiritual guy.

Here is the EU observer missions preliminary report below.

Politics › Re: Atiku Wins Okrika LGA In Rivers, Despite Wike’s Opposition by wirinet(m): 9:35pm On Feb 27, 2023
Oh wait. It is Kwankwaso that is winning Kano despite being an enemy of the sitting APC Governor!

Again, what are you saying

4. In the South East where Obi is from, Obi is winning by 90%

In the South West where Tinubu is from, Obi has won Lagos, Atiku took Osun. But when Tinubu takes Ekiti, it is rigging.

What is wrong with you guys?
I have explained why Obi can take Lagos and Atiku can take Osun. Ekiti is an APC state, so the rigging advantage lies with APC.

I don't understand the political dynamics of Kano, but it seems Kwakwanso seem to be a better rigger than the sitting governor. Maybe he has better rigging structure.

BVAS and IReV would have help in giving legitimacy to the victories.
Politics › Re: Atiku Wins Okrika LGA In Rivers, Despite Wike’s Opposition by wirinet(m): 9:23pm On Feb 27, 2023
DeepSight:
These are not excuses. You can remain disappointed if truly you have constant power and seamless internet wherever you live and you are also sure that such applies nationwide. Please lets not kid ourselves. The tech was always going to be problematic in this blighted country. This is not to say that they have not played games with it. They probably have, as with all things in this corrupt country. But it would be really crazy for anyone to sit down and poker faced, claim that such tech was not bound to run into hitches in this country where nothing works.

There are advanced countries that still handle their elections by manual counting of votes (including the USA) and they all have reasons for this, aside from tech hitches, the truth is that such systems can also be hacked.

In a country such as ours, where nothing works, it only makes sense to anticipate that and take the next best steps.
Tell me, as Chair of INEC, lets assume you run into a situation where you have tech problems. What call will you make - suspend collation? Do you know how mortally dangerous that would be for this country?

What is key is that the announced results tally with the Polling Unit Results eventually and that is open to challenge.
Otherwise, what do you suggest?

Cancel the election?

PS Edit: Mind You, I agree the election has been horrible.
I am a highly tech guy. Which kind of technical problems can affect the whole BVAS and IReV servers? Up till this morning nothing had been uploaded. In a state like Lagos that has 100% internet coverage, we expect at least 50% of the results to have been uploaded by this morning. Remember, these problems did not persists when elections were held in semi rural Osun State, these problems did not persists when elections was held in Anambra.
Politics › Re: Atiku Wins Okrika LGA In Rivers, Despite Wike’s Opposition by wirinet(m): 9:16pm On Feb 27, 2023
DeepSight:
I still dont think you are saying anything about the key points he has raised. I dont think its sufficient to dismiss them just with a wave of the hand.

To be clear, these are the key points for me -


2. So Obi can win Lagos, it is not rigging. But Amoda Ogunlere cannot win Osun that you said he is from, it is rigging.

Oh wait. Tinubu did not even win Osun. Atiku did. So what are you saying please? You thought Obi will win Osun??
As I said it is impossible to brazenly rig Lagos by altering figures like Rivers. Lagos is a highly urbanized state. Only vote buying, intimidation and suppression of voters can work. If BVAS is actually used, you will see that the margin of victory is even much wider than reported.

Osun state is governed at the moment by PDP, so if anything else, PDP is more in a position to rig than APC. BVAS would have shown how much rigging PDP did.
Politics › Re: Atiku Wins Okrika LGA In Rivers, Despite Wike’s Opposition by wirinet(m): 9:06pm On Feb 27, 2023
DeepSight:
In a nation with epileptic power, epileptic internet, epileptic bank transaction alerts, etc, it would be disingenuous of anyone to claim that they would expect the tech behind BVAS and IREV to have been smooth sailing. If anything, as Nigerians, we well expect the contrary.
I am highly disappointed you are making such excuses for INEC in the 21st century and after INEC spending hundreds of billions of naira on the elections. Have you never heard of power banks, so what exactly did INEC spend the hundreds of billions on?
Politics › Re: Atiku Wins Okrika LGA In Rivers, Despite Wike’s Opposition by wirinet(m): 9:00pm On Feb 27, 2023
DeepSight:
I dont think you directly addressed the points he raised and they dont look like excuses to me, they look like logical points.
They are not. South West is not critical to victory in presidential elections, because that is the region rigging is minimal. The critical states for presidential elections are Kano, Kaduna, Rivers and sometimes Delta, Bayelsa and akwaibom. They provide the bulk of the votes, while the others make up for the required 25%. You can never win 70% votes in the south west.
Politics › Re: Atiku Wins Okrika LGA In Rivers, Despite Wike’s Opposition by wirinet(m): 8:49pm On Feb 27, 2023
DeWorlex45:
This is Epic.
There is nothing epic about it. He failed to address why INEC refused to use BVAS and IReV, which Nigerians had invested a lot of trust, emotions and money on.

Nigerians historically have a high degree of distrust for the ruling party and INEC.
Simply uploading the results from the wards as contained in the electoral act would have saved all these excuses and conjectures.
Politics › Re: Atiku Wins Okrika LGA In Rivers, Despite Wike’s Opposition by wirinet(m): 8:35pm On Feb 27, 2023
DeepSight:
Wow. I must say, your reasoning is quite strong, even if I don't like BAT.
@ Wirinet, perhaps you should see this.
The guy was just giving excuses without addressing the real issues at stake. I have been involved in an election for Senate before, I was campaign coordinator for a candidate and also I have uncles and aunties who are deep into Delta state politics, so I know how rigging is carried out. First and foremost rigging is minimal in the South West (except during Iwu's time) and even in the South West rigging is carried out mainly in rural and semi urban areas. What happens in the South West is vote buying. Tinubu's main strategy in holding Lagos and South West is vote buying, intimidation and outright voter suppression by scaring away voters. This time it didn't work as well as before because the naira redesign policy and EFCC reduced vote buying. Also violence and voter intimidation was reduced. Without violence and voter intimidation Tinubu would have lost by a wider margin.

Remember Lagos had always voted against expectations, NRC in 1992, AD in 2003 against mainstream PDP in the South West. It wont be a surprise if Labour wins Lagos next week.

Now enter the Niger Delta and South East, those have always been the epicenter of election rigging in Nigerian. When I was campaign coordinator, election results was simply allocated to us. We were asked to come to the local government headquarter in koko (Delta) to negotiate with the electoral officer. We could not make it because our agent was injured. So we were allocated about 5,000 votes. There had really never been a valid election in the NigerDelta states. Wike is a master rigger and had always rigged elections for PDP. He was the one that helped Amaechi rig in 2007, help Jonathan rig massively in 2011 and rigged himself in as governor.

Have to go now.
Politics › Re: Protest Erupts At INEC National Collation Centre In Abuja by wirinet(m): 6:47pm On Feb 27, 2023
babaolofin:
You are lying. June 12 that Arthur Nzeribe condemned. Uche Chukwumerije bastardized June 12 as Minister of Information. Walter Offornagoro as Information Minister destroyed the June 12 struggle. Weekly traditional rulers from South East paid Abacha visit in solidarity against June 12.

The rating of June 12 as the best election was by June 12 group. Of recent, when Buhari recognized Abiola as the winner, an IBO man, chairman of Vanguard Editorial Board called yorubas sophisticated m o n r o o n.

This time around, june 12 can never never be repeated.
Yes lots of people betrayed Abiola in the actualization of the June 12 mandate due to bribery and political appointments by Abacha. But .. no one disputed the fairness and freeness of the election itself. The issue was never about the freeness of the elections. IBB excuse were alleged violations before the elections and the court case instituted by Nzeribe.

The option A4 model adopted did not leave room for doubts and dispute. People queued behind their preferred candidate and it was counted and recorded in front of everyone.
Politics › Re: Protest Erupts At INEC National Collation Centre In Abuja by wirinet(m): 6:03pm On Feb 27, 2023
Ayodeoba:
but Lagos was not rigged right?
Whether it was rigged or not, INEC should upload the BVAS and IReV. Lagos has not been declared by INEC.
Politics › Re: Protest Erupts At INEC National Collation Centre In Abuja by wirinet(m): 5:59pm On Feb 27, 2023
babaolofin:
They are wasting their time.

June 12, 1993 cannot be repeated. It can never never be repeated.

Hope 93 was annulled, Renewed Hope 23 can never be annulled.

Abiola paid the price with his life for a time like this.
June 12 was adjudged the freest and fairest election in the history of Nigeria, while Hope 23 is being adjudged the worst election in Nigeria's history. Spot the difference.

No one disputed hope 93, not even the opposition party, international observers or the military. Everyone is disputing Hope 23.
Politics › Re: Rivers: Tinubu Leads Obi With 42,623 Votes In 11 Lgas Announced So Far by wirinet(m): 5:49pm On Feb 27, 2023
DeepSight:
Just how many people can Wike singularly compel? Has it occurred to you that the generality of Rivers people might actually be disenchanted with Atiku over the choice of Okowa? Has it occurred to you that many Rivers people may actually support the stance of Wike - however uncouth and barbaric he indeed is?
There is no evidence of that. Under the circumstances you stated, rivers should have gone to Obi, mainly because of the massive igbo population in rivers. I am from the Nigeria delta and I understand political sentiments of the nigerdelta. The Nigeria delta is a PDP block. There is very little APC structure from delta to Rivers to akwaibom. Yes most people are angry at PDP for fielding Atiku and Okowa, but that would make them embrace APC, much less Tinubu. Obi would have been the alternative choice.
Most of my relatives are politically active in Delta.
Politics › Re: Protest Erupts At INEC National Collation Centre In Abuja by wirinet(m): 5:31pm On Feb 27, 2023
seborrhic:
Like play,like play,this will soon get out of hand.
APC was prepared for the fall out of their rigging. That's why the deployed thousands of military men on the streets and thats why they stopped children going to school till further notice. The next few days is expected to be wild. It might surpass ENDSARS.

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