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tunapa2009: @woged2005, if you tackling this issue from the religion perspective, then read Matthew 19 vs 2-9, romans 7vs1-3..... That is my take based on the religion perspective..

Matthew 19:9 (King James Version (KJV): "And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery"

But even the bible gave a condition for divorce, which precludes the person involved from adultery if followed. One thing we need to point out though is that in this modern day, it's mostly women that seek, and file divorce. Are you saying if court serves a man the document to sign, he should refuse and force his wife to remain married? How realistic is that if she has made up her mind to quit the marriage?

ucgirl: I blve an individual has an ability to pray for his or her spouse once u ave made up ur mind am doing dis u back it up wit prayers.Pray for him or her in way u want him or her to be and u see changes comes out so well just the way u lk it..

I think this approach is a bit dangerous. That's like marrying someone you don't know . You never marry people to change, improve, manipulate, or even intimidate them to change. Experience has shown that it fails woefully. You marry someone for whom he/she is, not what you expect him/her to change to or become in future...

emmyoha87: Show me the picture of the Devil and I will show u d picture of a Spiritual husband or wife!! Get off ur shallow high horse and think like an adult!!!!!

If u believe in it u will surely have one. The white missionaries who destroyed 'evil forests' in Africa and built churches in them didn't die, however Africans have been dying in same forests bc they believed the forests kill. Disappoints are unfulfilled expectations. 80% of Nigerian girls are obsessed and preoccupied with the thought of marriage, so they dream it. 99% of Nigerian men think about sex, so they have sex in their dreams. Please don't blame the devil for ur own weaknesses. Otherwise if ur 17yr old daughter tells u that she was dis-virgined in a dream, or was impregnated by a spiritual husband, hope u'll accept that also and don't disturb ur neighbor? .

Sorry dear. I take ur insults with gallantry. U don't win people like me over with intimidation & insults. Naa! I am more sophisticated than that.

Acelifted: Malachi 2:16

Malachi 2:16 "For I hate divorce, says the LORD the God of Israel, and covering one's garment with violence, says the LORD of hosts. So take heed to yourselves and do not be faithless." (Revised Standard Version).

Still waiting for where it's part of the 10 commandment and called a sin. God was angry with Moses when He broke the tablet, did God send him to hell-fire for that? Who doesn't hate divorce for what it does to marriage and children, even the people involved?

Chillisauce: Long distance for US and A.

Green card ppl. You go wait tire!

Yep! Experience is the best teacher, better told by those who have gone through it and felt it. I wish people can make a little effort in getting more information before they take a huge life-shattering jump sometimes.

Long distance relationship is not new but only evolved. Historically men have been travelers, nomads, wanderers, and even sojourns in foreign lands in search for food and resources to support their families, while women were home as resource managers. Long distance relations can only work for people who did not marry for wrong reasons. If one party begins almost immediately to put pressure that’s a good insight of what he or she wants in the relationship. Otherwise if you live in the 21st century rather than 19th century and take good advantage of technology long distance relationships work.

1.Take Advantage of Technology
With instant messaging systems, such as Skype, BBM, Video conferences, and social media such as blogs, Facebook, etc, you can live at Lagos, Nigeria yet find and have a date in Brazil, you can comfortably stay in Asaba, Nigeria and do business in Hong Kong. One can also choose to keep his family, where it’s safer, while one takes a job, hustle elsewhere and absolutely keep in touch with family on a daily if not hourly basis.

2. Avoid giving room to situations that can generate unhealthy rumors
Don't keep a 'close' single friend of opposite sex no matter what name you call it – ‘church brother/sister’, ‘uncle’, ‘good neighbor’, ‘work colleague’, ‘prayer partner’, ‘mentor’, ‘just a friend’, etc.

3. Take your calls from your partner when they come.
If you are busy, take excuse, call her back and tell her you are busy and will call back. Nigerians DO NOT handle partners not picking calls well. Don’t look for trouble.

4. Keep yourself busy,
Taking up a job, start a business, enlist in a training school, learn a useful skill such as driving, braiding hair, cooking class, sewing, etc. Do not sit around waiting for a green card like it’s a horror movie.

5. USA green card takes up to 5 years
Be informed that for those in USA a Greencard holder cannot apply for Fiancé visa (which usually takes less than a year) for a spouse, only US citizen can. Family 2A visa application for green card is based on ‘first-come-first serve’. If your sponsor is a green card holder the average wait is 4-6 years. Sometime it could be up to 7 years.

6. Don’t live a vain life seeing her/him as your ATM machine simply because you got married to someone abroad.
Be content with what you have, and protect her/his finances from unreasonable relatives.

7. Don’t cut corners traveling with tourist visa or student visa just to join your spouse.
Remember you’ll not work and rather become a burden to her/him, which will eventually generate tensions and unhappy marriage.

8.Totally stay away from vision-seeing, prophesy-reeling, prayer houses, pastors, and Babalawos.
They will certainly see troubles for you, where one does not exist and use it to milk you. Your situation will worsen. Go to church, come back and hope on the Lord for strength. No close friendship with any pastor (it’s never ended well in Nigeria).

9. Marry only your best friend, not your lover
Please, please, please, marry only your best friend not just a lady looking for a husband or a man who came home to look for a wife, to avoid living with a total stranger who has nothing in common with you. Take time to date, bond and build the friendship, because ‘Easy-in, easy-out’. Friendship survives most pressures marriage brings.

10. Assume you are being watched and spied on
Girl, gurl, sista, how many times have I called you? Behave yourself!!! This is the age of information technology. Just assume that your emails, texts messages, BB chats, Facebook chats, etc are read and watched on 3D. Moreover, with phone cameras and spycams these days, your awkward pictures or video may end up being exposed.

Long distance relation will work except for those who are dating or marrying for wrong reasons, after all soldiers go on long mission for years without their spouses. Please marry for the right reasons.

uncletbuddy: so d adrenaline over secrete immediately I give u an awesome slap to make u angry abi? Explain

So are u saying there z nothing like spiritual husband or wife?
1. Why do most ladies find it difficult to get married?
2. Why can a being vanish from a place and appear somewhere else?
3. Why can a mother visit her son in abroad without an iv? Let me guess u av not heard of all this! But certainly
4.u av heard of witches and 4. certainly u know dey fly at night....
5. U watch foreign movies and dey display great magical power and call it an English name that makes it look natural, u never watch Harry Potter, Super man, Hell boy, Ghost Rider?

1. If your attitude sucks, you ain't getting anywhere in life, not only in marriage but also career, finances and personal happiness. If u like you can blame the tall tree in your compound 300 times, trust me it's your attitude that blocks your path to success. Don't give yourself a pass mark, the way people react to you in relationships will tell u if you are good or not.
2. If you can vanish, why do you still buy plane tickets and board buses to travel? Why didn't you vanish and appear there?
3. My mother has never visited me without iv, and witches don't fly in my village at night.. our young people are busy studying their books or chatting on BB, while couple have good time in bed. They don't fly, they ain't bats or owls.
4. Please Harry Potter in academic circle is called 'Fiction'. Make some efforts to improve yourself, Google it to know what a 'fiction' is.
5. LoL! Quality education walai! ASUU strikes ain't doing Nigeria any favor. Please for your information movies are written scripts, performed by trained actors/actresses with sound/animated effects. They are not reality!! Ask your 5yr old neighbor's son, he will explain better.

So you truly believe that actors shot in movies are dead, and whitehouse was truly destroyed for real? ..Wow!!

Please can someone beg ASUU to call off strikes..the effects are becoming too profound on my people!!!

I aspire to land in the moon one day through a space shuttle, let someone remain busy to become an Owl to fly to USA to visit his/her brother without iv

Acelifted: Woged2005- the fact that God hates it makes it bad enough to qualify as sin. The truth is that God does not send people to hell at the slightest snap of the finger. Heaven is a gift to mankind. So it is not a card he flashes from time to time. Though if you take His grace for granted, you could loose that. But God permitted it in the old testament because of the rigidness of the their heart. God's cannot afford to entertain this form of compromise in this dispensation because the stakes are too high. More so, grace now much more abound to be able to bear up the challenges of living with the weaknesses of one another and overcoming the pressure of fleshly desires.

Therefore, that God permitted then does not mean it is not a sin. He hates it! If He hated then, He still does now. And we have less excuse because of grace that now abounds. The way to access this grace by humility and honesty of heart.

Please where in the Bible did God in his own word say He hates divorce? (not implied statement).

God doesn't change. He could not have condoned something in the old testament and suddenly change to something else to accommodate people. I still have to repeat that 'Sin' is breaking one of the ten commandments. There are things that make you lead a good Christian life and prevent you from committing sin, however, they are not sins in themselves. Eg a women wearing a see-through dress to church is not a sin (God created us nude anyway). However if that will distract other xtians looking at her & lead them to temptation, then we encourage her to cover up, as a good xtian not because it's sin. Divorce could lead to adultery, but divorce in itself is not adultery.

Acelifted: Whether you call it "put away" or "divorce", God hates it. Malachi 2:16

You are right, God hates it! a good church should hate it, I hate it too, many people who got divorced hated the situation too.

But for references, as bad as it is that does not make it a Sin that will take one to hell fire. A sin is breaking one of the ten commandments. Divorce is not one of it. we cannot add or remove from the ten commandments..otherwise I'd like to add many things in there like racism and corruption . That's my point

tunapa2009: I understand you better. Adrenaline(thru the end of the CNS bla bla). Science has been able to prove what is sensual only. What the brain can comprehend. What am trying to drive out is that some things are more than what science can explain. It requires something supernatural in nature..

OK. Thanks. Fortunately the belief in those things that the brain can comprehend are behind the success of the civilized world and gave us all the good things we use today including, car, medicines, electricity, cell phones and nairaland, while those 'supernatural' things you talk about are keeping Nigeria behind 200 years. I'd rather join the progressive 'club', than the retrogressive 'club'.

tunapa2009: Wooow!!!! How does adrenaline looks like?

Please am out!! This is sounding trivial now. If you live in the developed world ask your doctor to put you on hormone replacement therapy, you will see what it looks like when he brings it out. Men above 50 in USA are getting Testosterone replacement everyday to increase their s.exual response yet u are asking me what Adrenaline looks like. Please don't argue about things you don't know.

tunapa2009: Spirituality?? There is something that human being should understand-there are so many things science can't proof..
Just think of it: why do you react to insults? Emotions abi? What produces emotions in your body? How does emotions look like?

Hmmm! Reflex actions triggered by Hormones & chemical imbalance in ur body please!..anger, worry, fear or apprehension are caused by over-secretion of Adrenaline. that's even a secondary school Biology.

You see why I said that most Africans try to explain things they don't understand with religion and superstition. This is encouraging laziness among our youth. Rather than study, research and improve, they simply give up, sit back and blame spirits and demons. A young lady got hired, she abandoned the work and went to a 2 days crusade, and got fired..they told her the devil's blocking her luck, and should come for deliverance. SMH!!

bellong: UK may have brought christianity to Africa, but doesn't mean they understand better than Africans. .

Really!! and what else positive have we given back to the world with our super intelligence?..you are absolutely right! Religious arguments are lame, too sensitive, and unproductive. As for me I don't believe in spiritual husbands, and therefore won't have one. Maybe those who believe in it will have them. Even Pope, few weeks ago, said people will be judged by what they believe in.. . so let's be careful what we believe in.

pickabeau1: Fair points,,, but u have not said anything about demons

I usually do not use bible quotations in my posts in order no to discourage our brothers and sisters from other religions from following the posts.

An artist asked a child the easiest thing to draw. The child mentioned, dog, house car, etc. The artist said No because people know what they look like so if you get it wrong, they will know; the easiest thing to draw is a 'Demon' because no one has seen them before or know what they look like.

I have not seen them before, have you? . Bible never said anywhere they marry and have babies though. to do that they must have reproductive organs to get a woman pregnant abi?

bellong: I would be glad you gave me a the correct interpretation. In what way did I use it to suit my need? I urge you to read the whole passage for a better understanding of what I was trying to say.

Bible sais it's appointed unto man to die, & after that it's judgement. Therefore a dead person is either in Heaven, hell fire (or Purgatory, according to Catholics). That's the scripture! So all these spirits, ghosts, etc Nigerians see and marry, where are they from? Are you indirectly saying there's no judgement after death...dead people still roam about in Nigeria in spirit and marry? Your quotation referred to the Holy Spirit (the messenger), which according to the doctrine of trinity is God. Does God marry? And why don't we have spiritual husbands in UK that brought xtianity to Africa, or USA that originated pentecostal churches? They never talk about these things except we Africans who are trying to bring in our traditional beliefs/superstition into Christianity...

bellong: Lol.... The passage is talking about revelation of the things of the spirit. It takes revelation from God to understand and see a spirit husband. Do you now understand?

Wow!..what a misinterpretation! I suggest Nigerians should write their own bibles to suit their various needs...wondering why our (mis)interpretation is always very different from that of other Christians from other parts of the world, yet we read the same book in same English language.

bigheart2013: Wish I read this piece a couple of years ago when I just let a pretty damsel who was divorced go because of what people would say...ignorance! Searching my box vigorously now and lettings things fly..looking for her pictures and contact..I gara call her..

, I didn't mean to start anything. Just sharing knowledge o!!

exposureworld: Yep and they sell very fast too..mostly shy married couple order them discretely even from far away Lagos and shipped to them via courier. Whatever keeps a couple together in love is good..

..for sure they sell very fast anywhere. According to reports, one of the fastest moving products after publishing the book '50 Shades of Gray'

pickabeau1: I don't get your point Are you asserting that there are no spiritual forces,

Just get me the picture of a spiritual husband or wife. Period!

1. Do you know how a cell phone works and how your signals are transmitted without wires to ur relative in USA, he hears ur voice and sees your number?
2. How your TV in the house receives signals, u see the image and hear the voice of Larry King in USA?
3. How about a plane carrying 200 passengers & over 1000tons of loads lifting up at Lagos, hanging in the air and flying blind to land safely in USA?, etc Guess what? they were all invented by human beings, and not spirits.

If the inventors of these marvels wasted their intelligence believing in spirits, you and I will not be on Nairaland today..

Royal Roy: I believe things happen in the super naturals. Many Africans tend to find a Spiritual Explanation to almost all their problems!!

Ignorance is a disease!!. Here are other things they believed too:

1. Having internet in your house is an open gate to the devil (yet the pastor was preaching with a science invented Microphone)
2. A baby's DNA that doesn't match either parent is miracle from God (A deliberate affront to God's will on procreation btw a man & woman)
3. Don't let a beautiful light-skin girl go to a river/stream to swim, she may disappear because she is 'Mammy water' (come yanki see fine girls)
4. Blood-sucking spirits cause accidents during festive periods (Great! whatever happened to over-speeding, over-loading, ill-maintained vehicles on a pothole-filled road)
5. A women is barren because she has spiritual children (na always the thing wey eye no fit see, dem go use as excuse)
6. A special need child or a specially gifted child is a witch/wizard (Yet dem wan fly plane, na dummy head like them invented plane?)
7. A baby was born with rosary in his hand (a woman with indigestible beads like rosary in her tommy for 9months?)
8. A woman gave birth to a horse in a church during deliverance, stood up and walked away (oya mother's in the house, what's your experience after child birth?)
9. 'Bush Baby' lures people out with a cry in the night & devours them (I didn't even know a 'bush baby' is an animal, till I saw the pic..LoL!)
10. If you eat or greet people with left hand, it brings bad luck
.
..haba! haba!! haba!! my people, when will we Nigerians start admitting our failures/mistakes and work hard to correct them rather than blame spirits?

donigspain: Sorry dear, but it is not convulsion (aka 'ose' in Igbo language). 'Nnta' is more like an open skull condition. The 'nzu serves as a plaster/cement which holds the skull together while also preventing inflow of air.

Thanks for the correction. I really advocate that experienced African ladies should develop a lucrative hobby of writing pamphlets documenting some of these traditional practices, preparing local dishes (like herbs used for preparing meal for a woman that just gave birth), family birth ceremonies (especially the harmless ones). It will make more sense than thousands of unreadable, poorly-researched religious tracts in Nigeria often contradicting one another with personal opinions.

exposureworld: It's an outlet, meaning it's where people come to place and pickup orders. There are also goods for retail buyers in the shop.

1.Quality cosmetics (M.A.C, Marykay, Elf, Rimmel, LA Colors, NYC, etc)
2.Ladies wears and accessories (gowns, dresses, office wears, corporate suits, underwear, sleepwear, shoes, bags, etc)
3.Feminine products, female hygiene products
4.Camisoles, ladies' singlets, and sportswears
5.Perfumes, Body sprays, Colognes, body scrubs, body creams, etc
6.Pimple, Acne treatment, blemish and spot removers
7.Mr & Mrs Intimacy products (vibrators , romantic wears, etc)
8.Family and children's story books,
9.Foreign Magazines and books,
etc

Ok Thanks. Cool stuff. If they are US specs as u said, they'll be hot sale. I love the idea of feminine products/ female hygiene products. Hope they teach them how to use them? was in naija one time looking for feminine wipes, feminine wash, and pant liners.. for where! Our girls really need those things

Did u just mention 'romance machines' as in vibr@tors ? Coooooool!!

imagreat: what is nnta?

. Igbo language is in dialects, and differ in what they call things. But the treatment u described looks very much like a popular treatment for 'convulsion' in most Igbo communities. They claim the baby sees scary images that make her convulse violently, cry persistently usually closing her eyes and locking her mouth. The baby is rubbed with 'Nzu' (white chalk) and given concoctions presumably to scare away the scary monster when it comes back again . Some educated people even claim it works better than western medicine, just as it's proven that traditional healers heal bone fracture faster than western orthopedics . No panics, ur friend should disregard the traditional treatment and still take the baby to a hospital for proper diagnosis. Just a help sha bc I don't know what 'nnta' is in my dialect.

exposureworld: If you, a friend or a family member lives in Owerri, Imo state, Nigeria, please there're part-time marketing job opportunities, supplying cosmetics/ ladies accessories to shops and Re-sellers (just like M.A.C or MaryKay biz in USA). Very good to keep you busy as well as make some change rather than rely on boyfriends or pocket money. Please contact: 08063672869.

It is a wholesale outlet for ladies’ wears, quality cosmetics (M.A.C, Marykay, Elf, Rimmel, LA Colors, NYC, etc) accessories, family and children's books, etc all imported from USA. I think this will make a good part-time, hands-on, training for a decent, hardworking, young lady who want to learn marketing to eventually open her own business or become a marketer for big firms (there’s a learning process in marketing). Compensation is 10% commission on what you sold. Marketers also receive lots of free gifts and product samples. Business has been in operation since 2003.

Address & Location:
This new outlet is located at Shop #11, at the new shopping plaza, along Relief Market (opposite Fish Island), behind stadium, Owerri, Imo State, Nigeria, Contact: ExposureWorld: 08063672869. Email: exposureworld@usa.com for directions (serious callers only).

(I tried posting this on employment section it didn't work)

Direct Marketing? Great! What goods do you have in wholesale for people who may wish to buy and re-sell, and maybe retail too? I may refer interested re-sellers and people who may want to do part-time sales. u said all makeups are USA specs?

soul_glo: You need to have a very frank conversation with him. You need to let him know that he is failing you in the sex department. Tell him that you are not willing to accept that. This is not your fault. Don't listen to people that say dress sexy and all that. If you take the blame that is not yours he will never change. You need to be frank with him before you become so desperate and do something stupid. He is a man and has male friends so I am sure that he knows that sex twice a month is abnormal. By not being direct with him you are helping him treat you this way

From what I've read & heard..this is how most marriages hit divorce....You need to do this, .."you need to do that..you must stand ur ground..don't accept it...don't let him get away with it..."etc. The last time I checked a confrontational approach never turns a d*ck on, it only ends in court. Even a Judge cannot force a man to make love. The woman is not fighting for women's rights. She simply wants to have & enjoy sex with her husband in a conducive environment. How do all that get the man's d*ck stand? Let's be result oriented in problem solving please!

bossybom: ...am a Christian,I can't ,cheat on him,sometimes I masturbate just to get satisfied...

Sista sex is canal and there's nothing spiritual about it. .

There's something about u he doesn't like but doesn't know how to tell you out of respect for you. encourage him to be open and accept criticisms.


1.Be careful of some advice I see here. They are dangerous and absolute craps by inexperienced people.
2.Men are stimulated by hormones secreted when their brain process erotic thoughts. Unlike women, they're very visual (react to what they see). Improve in ur appearance. Make urself appealing to the eye. stock up ur wardrobe with sexy sleepwears.
2. Alcohol, stress, illness, arguments, naging, and turn-offs (ugly undies, lousy dressing, repulsive habits, etc) kill sexual apetite in men. Avoid any of that.
3. Avoid giving him heavy, food starchy food at night, he will sleep off. Lipton tea, a glass of wine can make a difference.
4.Find out what seduces him and turns him on. Talk about sex, talk naughty and play like kids, let ur bodies touch.
5.If symptom persists, see a doctor.
6.Please stay away from sharing this with friends, family, ur pastor, and church members otherwise ur marriage will be engulfed in fire and brimestone

Royal Roy: Nice arguments idnoble & Woged, but please let others see this thread from their own point of view.

Taking it the religious way is already limiting the viewers.

Hope you two would move on as you have both made your points!

Thanks

...thanks. I rest my case and leave others to read through.

idnoble135: The biblical concept of divorce differs. When you read mathew 19, you'd understand that marriage can not be dissolved. It might be before men but not before God. Howbeit, we are made to understand that marriage can be dissolved on one condition and it will be acknowledged by God, if only one of the partners was found in adultery. But the human laws permit it. So divorce is not illegal going by laws governing a country.

Yes, you are absolutely right. As Christians we should not divorce because the bible frowned at it. That's why the Bible made divorce a bit difficult to divorce (just on one condition - Adultery). However, the bottom-line of my write-up is that if by chance, A Christian manages to secure a legal divorce, marrying or dating him/her is not a sin, because divorce itself is not a sin. It's not Adultery, which we have clarified above.

As Christians we should not divorce also means we should marry for the right reasons. Bible didn't know that years later people will be marrying for money, sex, fame, power, greencard, traveling abroad, etc necessitating divorce.. . This topic is theologically deep just as the issue of a christian soldier who fights in a war and kills people, did he commit sin since Bible said "thou shall not kill"...

idnoble135: Seems you want us to go biblical. Alright then.
Women were not divorced by decrees in those days. They were divorced through a written document called "bill of divorce" They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? matthew 19:7
No body was divorced through a decree. The decree in question was that she was to be put away, never to see the king so as to serve as a warning for woment to be submissive to her husband. That did not mean he divorced her.

Ok. Thanks for pointing that out. It is also good to point out that Adultery means[b] 'Voluntary se.xual intercourse between a married person and a partner other than the lawful spouse'[/b]. That implies that if a person is married to Seven lawful partners (though it's not right in some cultures) it's important to point out that he/she is not committing Adultery. The catch word there is 'Lawful partner', which in modern times means a formal marriage either in court, church, or traditional rites, depending on what his/her culture or constitution permits.

idnoble135: ^
lol, dont worry. We wont get into a religious debate. But is it not funny that you reply without scriptures, but still want to speak from a biblical view? My post is self explanatory. Whether divorce is right or wrong, whether marrying a divorcee is right or wrong..... The words of Jesus settled it. I did not state anything per se. The scriptures did that. Organizations might try to make it suit them, so might churches. But that up there, is what God stated.

Thanks, I respect people like you who take time to hear another person's view. Thanks for That. Yes I seldom use bible quotations on fora like this as a mark of respect to our colleagues who belong to other religions, and in order not to discourage them from benefiting from the knowledge. It's not for any other reason. Thanks for pointing out.

idnoble135: This is now your own personal opinion. Guess i post a verse here.
You talked about Vashti being divorced. I wonder where you read that from. Here is the verse i guess you are trying to use.

“Therefore, if it pleases the king, let him issue a royal decree and let it be written in the laws of Persia and Media, which cannot be repealed,
that Vashti is never again to enter the presence of King Xerxes. Also let the king give her royal position to someone else who is better than she. Esther 1:19

This does not mean that she was divorced. It simply means she was put away. She would not hold the position of being the "queen" but she was still his wife. Divorce was not mentioned there. What was done was a usual practice of kings in those days. King David also did it.

And David came to his house at Jerusalem; and the king took the ten women his concubines, whom he had left to keep the house, and put
them in ward, and fed them, but went not in unto them. So they were shut up unto the day of their death, living in widowhood. 2 Samuel 20:3

That is it please. My post is filled with abundant biblical evidence that debunks your first post.
It's well.

I have no idea what your interpretation above was. The two verse are very unrelated to each other and happened generations apart. The first part you quoted was a clear reference to divorce in a 'royal Decree' [/b]also called[b] 'judgment'. Divorce is granted by a constituted authority through a judgement. Please do not imply that God encouraged King Xerxes to live in Adultery. king Xerxes' marriage to Esther was God's will. Bible never accounted that the 2 women took turns to sleep with the King, as was the case in several references in the bible, where the man had multiple wives.

idnoble135: Op, in as much as you speak from a biblical perspective, me think its okay to share this.

Good opinion. Let the bible do the talking.

To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord)
: A wife must not separate
from her husband. 1 cor 7:10
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his
wife, saving for the cause of
fornication, causeth her to
commit adultery: and
whosoever shall marry her
that is divorced committeth adultery. Matt 5:32
And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his
wife, and marry another,
committeth adultery against
her.
And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be
married to another, she
committeth adultery
Mark 10:11-12
Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth
another, committeth adultery:
and whosoever marrieth her
that is put away from her
husband committeth adultery.
Luke 16:8

I don't want to get into a religious argument here, which will soon result in name-calling, or my-church-is-better-than-yours-agrument, which nobody wins. But Christian clergies are discouraged from going into pastoral work with only a Bible course (quick cut) rather than take full Theological degree, which takes time.

Go back to your theology and recall that King Henry VIII broke away with the Catholic Church, to start the Anglican Church, because the pope in Rome would not grant him a 'divorce' with his wife, Catherine of Aragon, because divorce was against church policy then...in that history some interchanged the words 'Divorce', 'Annul', 'Dissolve', 'Separate', etc...all these words as we know today from legal interpretations mean different things but were all used interchangeably in the quotation u used depending on who wrote the version...this is only important to understand the role ' bible Versions' played in the misinterpretation of the bible today.

The bottom line is 'Put Away' could mean 'divorce', or 'separation' . I mentioned already that a separated person is still married. If you marry him/her you commit adultery, which is a sin; you also cause her to sin. Various Bible versions used 'divorce' and 'separation' almost to mean the same thing (putting a wife away). If people were ready to do some work rather than cut and paste unrelated verses, they would have known that the 'Law of Moses',, which was the reference point during the time of Jesus was very clear on Divorce process. Even Islam buttressed that. My point is Separation is not same thing as Divorce , however both words are used interchangeably in some versions of the Bible to mean "putting away his wife..".. A 'Sin' means breaking one of the ten commandments. Nobody adds or removes from it. Adultery is one of the 10 commandment, Divorce is not.