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Lol... he's just going for his checkup.

Bounceboune7:
what about China n north korea

China will not support Russia. At least, not openly. There's a reason they abstained today at the UN session. First, supporting Russia will go against thier mantra of sovereignty. Second, they have more interest in the West than Russia, they wouldn't want to stand the risk of being sanctioned. Again, China cannot provide all of Russia's needs. NATO may never send military personnel to Ukraine cause thier rules of engagement forbid that, but Russia's economy could easily come to its knees if this is not quickly resolved. They cannot depend on China alone.

luminouz:
Quote me when he starts attacking Lithuania, Latvia and other former Soviet countries that are part of NATO.

Your other points lose relevance when the exact same scenario played out when Russia wanted to make Cuba a base of operations. The US never wanted it and almost went to war on this same issue. Russia can't allow Ukraine to harbor NATO bases. What part of that fact can't you understand? The same scenario happened with Cuba and uncle Sam rejected that shiit. You keep shouting about my hatred for the US and that makes no sense because I'm just telling you the reality of what's on ground. International politics is never about emotions but economic interests. No sane country protects others' more than their own. Remove your own emotions and be objective.

All the noise you make on SM won't change the reality on ground. The most annoying part is that people like you hide behind your keyboards to sound woke but when it's time to take a gun to protect what's yours, you run off claiming human lives are sacred or some BS but the fact is wars are not fought or won on SM, but in real life. I have long accepted that fact. I gave you tons of scenario where the US went against the whole world and did shiit but you never wanted to talk about that. If you are so concerned about Putin and Ukraine, what of the innocent children in Kabul, those in Libya and those in Iraq? All orphaned by your precious Uncle Sam and her allies. Don't be blind to reality. There is enough blood on everyone's hands.

You bring passion and emotion to the table. Makes you very predictable.

First, the United States was not oppressing Cuba post independence prior to the invasion and the activities that led to it (1960 to 1961). Cuba did not romance Russia in order to defend itself against the US. Cuba offered its soil as a military base for the economic gains and for Castro's personal gains. Second, the US made use of Cuban exiles who targeted Castro's air fleet and not civilians. Third, Kennedy eventually made an offer that satisfied both parties. Fourth, virtually all the UN countries voted to condemn the US.

This is not to justify the actions of America (I couldn't care less about the US in this issue). This is to place facts side by side with the current situation since you're using the country as a yardstick. First, Ukraine has been tossed around by Russia for long and that's practically the reason they want to join NATO. At this point, telling Ukraine not to join NATO is not a solution cause you'd leave thier original issue unaddressed. Second, Putin is bombing civilians when he claimed he went in for peace keeping. Third, he's not proposing a reasonable exit solution. A reasonable solution would be one that ensures Ukraine's safety if it must not join NATO. The Budapest Memorandum was created to do just that. Guess what, it was the same Russia that violated the it. Fourth, the UN voted yesterday and the concensus was to condemn Russia just the way they stood with Cuba. What is wrong with that?

You said no country cares about others but themselves. Does this exclude Ukraine? Doesn't Ukraine also have the obligation to protect its people? Isn't that what they were doing by trying to join NATO? What exactly do you suggest they do cause they cannot simply be left at the mercy of Russia. The Budapest Memorandum has been shredded. Russia has annexed Crimea. Russia is in Ukraine now tearing the country down. And your response to all these is "United States of America is a terrible country. I have facts."

You keep talking about the US as if that's the country being invaded. Quit the obsession already. Ukraine is the country in question and regardless of whatever "facts" you have against the US, nothing justifies Putin's aggression towards Ukraine. People like me? Lol... Before, I was called brainwashed. Now I'm called woke. I don't know what next, but I'm choosing to ignore your fleepancies and concentrate on the subject. Maybe If you spent half the amount of energy you spend attacking me on actually addressing the subject too, you might eventually make some points.

Olumighty123:
I really hope it's not your mom who has been feeding you with lies about your dad, he is not responsible and your mother had stuck around for over 22 years, so many mothers tend to win their children's heart by telling fake lies about their husband young man, you better use your head so you No go because of your father enter hell

So many mothers indeed.

You guys will always find a way to blame the woman in practically everything. A 22 year old man is complaining about the way his father treats him and you managed to find a way to channel the blame towards his mother instead. Is the OP a baby? Why don't you guys ever call a spade a spade? Disgusting.

luminouz:
Nope....you still need to be objective and use your nose to smell the coffee.
Everything I have given you has been logical. You are the one bleeding your emotions all over the thread. Putin wants no old USSR. He just wants a demilitarized Ukraine and he is even the one calling for talks right now, despite everything.

I heard you stay abroad in Canada or US or some place like that. Maybe that skewered your thinking about Uncle Sam.

What demilitarize? Is there any NATO force in Ukraine yet? Or are you saying Ukraine should get rid of thier own military to satisfy Russia?

Your hatred for the US is the only thing feeding your judgment and you're the one talking about emotions. You go around accusing people of being brainwashed by the media or not knowing how the world works. But at the end, you're not saying anything. Yes, I live in North America but I've also lived in the Middle East. My Mandarin is fairly good. I've lived with people from the two sides of the divide and I do not believe you're in a position to school me on how the world works. I also don't believe you've listened to as much diverse media as myself. So just stop with the stale tale and bring more to the table already.

Why does Ukraine want to join NATO? What was the relationship between Russia and Ukraine like before Ukraine indicated interest to join NATO? Russia wants to dictate to Ukraine not to seek help when they're being oppressed and your "logical" solution to that is that Ukraine should remain at their mercy? Does NATO need Ukraine to spy on Russia? Before it was "Russia will never invade Ukrain. It is western propaganda". Now, they have done it and the tone has changed to "Russia does not want old USSR". It is happening before you and I'm sure you'd find something else to say when that happens.

His team was in a meeting with the EU a day before the invasion where the Minsk agreement was discussed. And then the next day, he invaded Ukraine on the grounds of peace keeping. He said he was going in for peace keeping and to recognize the independence of the secessionists only for him to eventually spread out into the entire country. Why being phony? Because he knows Ukraine nursing the idea of joining NATO does not justify the kind of havoc he had planned for them. He knew if he had mentioned that as a reason, the question would be, why act so fast? Why not wait till Ukraine actually crosses the red line by signing the membership documents? Or will the missiles be planted the next day? From all indications, he had made up his mind on this long ago and he's moving fast now cause it would be more difficult if Ukraine joined NATO.

His Spy Chief made the endgoal clear when he said "I support the proposal to incorporate the Donetsk and Luhansk people’s republic into the Russian Federation" before Putin cut him short. He has already annexed Crimea. We all know his ambitions. Whether it's termed USSR or not does not matter. He just wants to control that block forcefully and it won't work cause democratic countries cannot answer to authoritarian leadership. This is not how to be a block power.

Nigeria should sanction Russia!

luminouz:
Lmaoooooo....
You still don't know how the world works, sadly.

Hey, but you will learn in due time that no country gives a fuq about any other country but their own.

Lol... you guys type like this when you've got no logical response. Accept it is not, Putin's actions are impossible to justify.

Gangster1ms:
Who in his/her right senses wouldn't wanna hate a country that doesn't wanna mind it's business and always want have a say about other countries l? That's how they started yemen syria libya Afghanistan and so on has been destroyed. Would America sit and fold arms if Mexico allied with Russia? Talk more of Russia performing military exercises in Mexico? That's what Ukraine joining NATO means to Russia. By the time you know it those busy bodies will follow through Ukraine to spy and disrupt things in Russia.
If ukraine wants peace then they shouldn't make themselves a tool at the hands of Russia's number 1 enemy.

You're allowed to hate the US, it's your choice. But that doesn't make Putin right. Supporting Putin's aggression towards his neighbour cause of the activities of a country oceans away is not very logical. The statement "The US is a terrible country, therefore, Putin is right" does not add up. You must consider the situation between Ukraine and Russia and not just judge based on the fact that you dislike a country supporting Ukraine.

First, NATO does not need Ukraine to spy on Russia. Virtually all Russian neighbours are already NATO members, so what are you saying? Second, Ukraine opted to join NATO in the first place cause of this same Russian aggression. So let's not pretend as of Russia was nice to Ukraine before they indicated interest to join NATO. What you're telling Ukraine is not to seek help and take whatever Russia sends thier way. How is this a solution, please? You think Ukraine would want to be part of NATO if Putin was treating them the way US treats Canada? Putin is a dictator. He cannot co-exist with democratic neighbours.

Russian invasion of Ukraine was bound to happen cause Putin cares more about his ambitions than any possibility of NATO planting missiles in Ukraine. He wants Ukraine back. The only reason he didn't want Ukraine to join NATO was because he didn't want anyone to come to thier aid when he strikes and he's moving fast now in order to achieve his goal before the country is able to become a member of NATO. You saw the video, did he mention NATO as the reason for invading Ukraine? No, he said it was "peace keeping". Yet, he's bombing civilians and his men are all over the country.

Anyone who doesn't see the atrocities of Putin at this point is allowing thier hatred for the US beclouded thier judgment.

Hahaha... this one got me.

Gangster1ms:
The only evil thing here is USA together with NATO..
You guys won't understand what is happening and be opening mouth waaa. Hollywood and western media has brain washed your heads into believing Russia is the villian

The only reason you're supporting Russia's aggression towards Ukraine is your hatred for the United States and that's illogical to say the least.

These constant threats are the reason Ukraine applied to join NATO in the first place.

Odewaleadesoye:
Allies are not doing enough to help Ukraine.
It is well with people of Ukraine.



I understand but the neighbouring countries of Ukraine that also share border with Russia need to help.
The table might turn.
Who knows?
What if Russia invade them too.



Well, I can't speak for them at the moment but no ill news about them yet.

Ukraine is not a member of NATO. Invading Ukraine before the country is able to join NATO was the grand move. Other neighboring countries are NATO members. They cannot just step in without NATO approval.

ogunmourinho:
my 7yrs old son get sense pass you .

My regards to your son!

FreeStuffsNG:
United Nations has already responded.

This was the kind of question a British/American journalist asked a Chinese ambassador who immediately fired a salvo at the journalist "you are obviously ignorant (more like daft and ignorant ) of the basic principle of China's diplomacy" she replied the journalist . I was so shocked at that level of harsh response from a whole Ambassador because I know that a Nigerian Ambassador will never answer so crudely.

Sincerely, that question the Naija blogger Journalist asked Mr Onyeama is fundamentally mediocre. The Minister did the right thing by ignoring it instead of replying the tripe talk.

The right question should have been if Nigeria completely supports the UN Secretary's call to President Putin to withdraw his troops from Ukraine.

May God restore peace that surpasseth all human understanding in Russia and Ukraine.
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What you termed the right question and the one asked by the journalist are more or less the same. Asking Nigeria's stance and asking if they support the UN's take, what exactly is the difference?

I think the right question should be about what the foreign minister intends to do about Nigerians in Ukraine. That should be the priority for now.

Zaggadhat:
Understand issues before giving a response.

This issues is as simple as the Fulani herdsmen crisis. When the government wanted to give them land in every states. And what was people's response No way!! It's the same as Russia and Ukraine. If Russia attempts to have a forward base in Canada or Mexico the US would do worse to them!!!

Your analogy is fallacious. Nigerian state governments told the federal governments not to give Fulanis lands in their state. Ukraine does not belong to Russia. By the way, would Ukraine be the only Russia neighbour that's a NATO member? Is Russia's constant bullying not why Ukraine decided to join NATO in the first place? They should have just stayed back and endured?

Russia demands that Ukraine is not admitted into NATO, however, they gave "peace keeping mission" as the reason for the invasion. Why give phony reasons? Russia is more or less surrounded by NATO already. Virtually all Russian neighbours are NATO members. They all joined to stay protected from the over-ambitious bully. The same reason Ukraine wants to join. Why is Ukraine the only one forbidden from joining NATO? What's your solution? That Ukraine takes whatever Russia sends thier way without seeking some form of solidarity? Canada wouldn't do anything that will affect the US negatively cause the US doesn't treat them like Russia treats Ukraine. The United Nations voted massively against the US when made an even less daring move 1898. So why shouldn't we criticise Putin at this moment?

This is Putin trying to redraw the map. His Spy Chief made it clear. So he would have done this anyway. The only reason he didn't want Ukraine to join NATO is so that Ukraine would be helpless when he strikes. And that's why he moved fast before Ukraine is able to join the body. Now, NATO had no obligation to send soldiers to Ukraine. Let's call a spade a spade, Putin is a bully. The only reason people are supporting him is cause of their hatred for the US.

Sadly, NATO does not have the obligation to send soldiers to Ukraine. There's a reason Putin made this move before Ukraine is able to join NATO.

I read somewhat on this platform that it was Ned Nwoko that got him arrested.

owagbeba:
War of any kind is sad, be it in Ukraine, Syria, Yemen, etc.

Russian militarily operations in Ukraine were wholly avoidable if the USA had taken time to listen to Russian grievances and helped allay those worries.

Russian approach to this security problem had been multi-layered starting with a request for security guarantees that NATO would “NOT” setup base In Ukraine and maintain neutrality. Rather than address this issue, they(USA) huffed puffed with raised shoulders and threatened sanctions from hell.

Russia recognized Donetsk and Lugansk republics the same way the west recognized Kosovo. The west in their ego began to rain sanctions on Russia.

I think it was time for a whole new world order forged by fire. Russia has indeed had enough. She has called the western bluff and attacked first.

Sadly, Zelensky of Ukraine should have been wiser knowing that you don’t bring in an enemy to a family house.

I repeat War is SAD

So the solution to you would be for Ukraine to remain helplessly at the mercy of Russia? Why does Ukraine want to join NATO? Is it not cause of the same Russia?

Sir, Russian invasion of Ukraine is more about his ambitions than any fear of missiles. You heard his Spy Chief say it. Putin wants to reclaim Ukraine. Putin's dream of re-creating the old USSR is as obvious as day and night. Missiles or no missiles, he would have still done this (Russia is more or less surrounded by NATO anyway). Russian neighbours joined NATO for the same reason Ukraine wants to join the body. The only reason he moved against Ukraine joining NATO is because he didn't want them to have any help when he strikes (which is why Ukraine tried to join NATO in the first place). And he's moving fast now cause it will be more difficult if Ukraine becomes a full member of NATO. Have you heard Putin mention missiles in his recent comments? He said it's peacekeeping and yet his men are all over the country and he's taking over the country's armory. If it were about missiles, would the ever bold Putin need to come up some cheap lies to go in? There's no justification for what Putin is doing. The only reason people support him on here is their hatred for the US. First, it was "Russia will never invade Ukraine, it's western propaganda". Now Ukraine is being blamed for seeking help against a bully.

owagbeba:
Israel bombed Syria today. This is the fourth attack in two weeks. Have you ever criticized Israel? Because the western media have conditioned you to accept whatever they do as right and every other country wrong!

Cry for Yemen, Syria , ... the same way you cry for ukraine

Sir, is Putin's aggression towards an almost helpless and comparatively tiny Ukraine right or wrong?

When we get to a thread about Isreal and Syria, call me to share my view on the issue between two countries. But bringing that here after Putin has made the move you claimed wasn't his intention is simply a deliberate attempt to shy away from saying the truth.

Is your defence of Putin's forceful reclaim our Ukraine, "but Isreal is bombing Syria"? Do you need western media to tell you Putin's aggression towards Ukraine is unjustified? Will it take anything from you to acknowledge Putin is not doing the right thing? Y'all said he had no plans of invading Ukraine and when he's done that, your next line is "but Isreal is bombing Syria". Two countries that have been fighting each other on and off since 1948 makes Putin's actions right. Is your support for Putin based on your hatred for the West or some actual logic? Can't you call a spade a spade? Does your hatred for the West beclouded your logic? I give up.

SarkinYarki:
Russia is not the problem , those egging Ukraine to join NATO are the problem..

Did Russia give this as a reason for this invasion?

Sir, Russian invasion of Ukraine is more about his ambitions than any fear of missiles. Putin wants to reclaim Ukraine. Putin's dream of re-creating the old USSR is as obvious as day and night. Missiles or no missiles, he would have still done this. The only reason he moved against Ukraine joining NATO is because he didn't want them to have any help when he strikes. And he's moving fast now cause it will be more difficult if Ukraine becomes a full member of NATO. Have you heard Putin mention missiles in his recent comments? He said it's peacekeeping and yet he's taking over the country's armory. If it were about missiles, would the ever bold Putin need to come up some cheap lies to go in? There's no justification for what Putin is doing. The only reason people support him on here is their hatred for the US.

Godkillbuhari:
if they give you American visa or Russia visa ... which one will u accept pls ? Say the truth

Don't mind them. They stay far away to support Putin while hoping to get access to more liberal countries. He said the US used media to ignite the war. It was media that told Putin to nurse the dream of re-creating USSR? Instead of these guys to just accept Putin is being unreasonable, they'd rather attack the US simply cause they dream of seeing the country come to her knees.

luminouz:
This ain't just it.
Your precious US should answer for Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan first. You are always a proponent for freedom but uncle Sam is the biggest freedom fraud there is. Why can't you see that? Selective amnesia?

Uncle Sam is a freedom fraud so Putin is right to invade Ukraine.

Does this statement above make any sense to you? How does the premise support the conclusion? Honestly, the way you guys argue sometimes is mind blowing. It just goes to show that you're so US obsessed that you're willing to let Russia crush Ukraine because US is not a saint. How does this logic work? Is US the only country against Russian moves? Russia is making a move to forcefully recreate the old USSR and you're defence is, United States of America is not a saint. Putin is not fighting terrorism in Iraq or anywhere else, he's killing civilians in a country whose citizens are related to his own people. Call a spade a spade. You don't need to be pro US to acknowledge he's erring. I give up.

Mooh247:



This few people in the whole of Russia

They can do better

Russia and Ukraine are Solviet brothers, with similar ethnicity

Ukraine allowed Evil America atleast 500 miles away to decieve them and push them into a war without meaningful back up

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Sir, why do people like you see evil and look the other way? Despite all the atrocities of Putin, you still prefer not to hold him accountable but rather point fingers at the US. Russia has made it clear re-creating the old USSR is the goal. US or not US, they would have still done this. Their only anger is that they wanted Ukraine to have no backup when they strike. Ukraine knew this and that's why they made the move to join NATO. Let's call a spade a spade, Putin is wrong. That's the first fact we must agree on.

BigBashiru:
The military operation is only striking military facilities....and is aimed at degrading the military capability of Ukraine which combined with nato and foreign support, poses a security threat to russia

You must be living in your own world for you type this given all the recent events.

Skooltynz:
You blame Putin?
Why can't NAto mantain their lane and let peace reign,no reasonable country wants to be surrounded by enemies America and Nato should leave two Slavic brothers alone let them sought out their differences.


Like for Russia share for NATO

Can we please stop this like and share childish stuff. This isn't some HBO movie or video game we're talking about.

Even at this point, you guys still parrot this NATO minding thier business stuff? Can you show me one article or video where Putin sited NATO's missiles as his reason for this invasion? Did he even mention NATO a couple of days ago during the decision making event a few days ago? Is the end game not still obvious to you guy? Putin has made it clear reuniting the old USSR is the driving force here. Missiles or not missiles, he would have still done this. The only reason he didn't want Ukraine to be part of NATO was because he wanted them to be completely helpless when he strikes. And you're here telling people to look the other way while Russia does whatever they like with a sovereign country? You think that will end with Ukraine?

Jeez! I can't believe there are people who still fall for Putin's mind games. Even when he's first to strike civilians, you guys still queue up behind him.

SmartProf:
Less talk please. It appears Putin knows that the worse other world leaders will do is to apply sanctions, and they don't give a fvck about that. Meanwhile I hope Buhari doesn't think that by Borris Johnson's statement of UK and her allies responding, Nigeria qualifies to respond?? Borris Johnson isn't referring to allies who only seek to collect loans.

The only advantage Russia has over NATO is thier lack of regards for civilian lives.

Baawaa:
US is appealing to Russian indirectly.if Trump is the president of US, Russian will not invade Ukraine

Have you read Trump's take on this issue or are you just typing for typing sake? Trump is in full support of the invasion. That big baby is not a rational one, sir!

Yes, the US might be appealing to Russia and that's likely because Russia is far more prepared to sacrifice lives than the West is.

When I said it here that Ukraine was the target and Putin's ridiculous dream of re-creating the old USSR was the driving force, some people called me names like brainwashed, etc. They said it was western propaganda. Now it's happening. When was the last time Putin even mentioned NATO and their missiles? Is the endgame not clear enough now? Was it not his spy chief that disclosed the entire plan right in front of Putin? When some of you support authoritarian leaders on the grounds of "America has done worse", I wonder the kind of logic y'all employ. I only pity the people of Ukraine, citizens and immigrants alike.

Here are comments from my brothers on that thread. I wonder how they're taking this now.

owagbeba:
Brother... when you state this skewed view of the situation, it shows that you are listening to only the west and their media propaganda, and have not bothered to read the views of Russia on this matter. When you do, then you will understand that this is not much about Ukraine. It’s the western media that is screaming Ukraine invasion when that fact is about US setting nuclear missiles in Poland and Romania aimed at Russia, NATO’s attempt to encircle Russia with regime change in former soviet nations.

smallrincowis16:
Putin never said he's going to invade Ukraine, its the western paranoid and insecurities that's making them thinking so. He's made it clear for upteen times. What's bad in moving troops in his own country?

BigBashiru:
Russia will never invade Ukraine unless there is intelligence they are acting on that we do not know. Russia is a more morally upright country than uk and usa.

This is wickedness. Poor boy

dogmart:
Hmm. It is well.
What Exactly does a man find attractive in a fellow man/boy?
This is beyond comprehension

You make it sound as if it would have been better if the victims were girls. This man is devilish and this is regardless of the gender he's attracted to.

She's beautiful

JayPeeOham:
Course

Thanks for trying to help, but the right word is "cause". To help one's cause is to aid whatever they're advocating for. Cause in this context means any principle or movement which one is prepared to defend.

Thanks again.