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alexleo: All our teachings are based on the bible through the leading of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does not move in a rigid manner, however He does not also move in a way that is contrary to the word of God. As we keep following his leading and interpretation of the word we keep improving wherever we find ourselves wanting. We cant know everything about God in this life and even in eternity. As we draw closer to him and he exposes the truth of his word to us we keep adjusting until the day we will see him in heaven. What God requires from us is that earnest desire to know him more and obey his word. Matthew 5;6 says- blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be filled. This is my submition and thats it.

Enigma: So as far as I'm concerned I know of only ONE Church; the Christian Church. When I say 'catholic Church', I mean the universal Church. The Church which has Jesus Christ as its head. It really knows no "denominations" and "abominations". It comprises of all (as many) as have received Him and who He has thus given powers to become the children of God; see John 1:12.

Ihedinobi: I don't know but it's apparent that you're misunderstanding him, perhaps deliberately, perhaps not. I'd bet my left slipper on the former though.

Ihedinobi: (not saying anything about "cele", can't begin to imagine a christian there at all myself),

Ihedinobi: There is only one Church, it is catholic in nature; there is only one type of Christian: the man with Jesus's "dna".

Ihedinobi: 3. In summary, the Christian is not merely a label, he's a particular type of species and you must judge him accordingly. The Church is the whole species, that is, the universal set of every person bearing the Nature or Name of Jesus Christ. For this reason, she's called CATHOLIC. She's not identifiable to any eyes but Christ's. Her effect may be perceived but her nature is always hidden. She will only truly be revealed when her Groom comes for her. At that time, the salt will be "precipitated" out of the earth. (It's not really like that, but it's the easiest way to explain it.) There is only one Church, it is catholic in nature; there is only one type of Christian: the man with Jesus's "dna".

italo: To put it simply:

Is it possible that some of what you/your "church" teach are wrong?

A. YES, it is possibly that some of our teachings are wrong.

B. NO, all our teachings are definitely right. It is not possible that even one of our teachings is wrong.

plappville: And this sincere advise will lead them to heaven, then why not join the group? or don't you want to make heaven as well?

Enigma: Bros, if we are speaking of the catholic Church, then it is very simple and we know it from two important sources, one human and one divine.

Ignatius who coined and originated the expression "catholic" meant "universal and complete" and thus he said that wherever Jesus is there is the catholic church.

Jesus said said 'where two or three are gathered in my name, there I am in the midst of them'. Thus anywhere you see two or three honestly gathered in Jesus' name ---- you see the catholic Church. in other words the catholic Church is the Christian Church.

There is something that two organisations are fighting over --- that is the "Catholic Church". The Roman Catholic Church claims that it is the "Catholic Church". The Eastern Orthodox say no and claim that they are the genuine "Catholic Church". Hence their name: "Orthodox Catholic Church." However, they are even a little more honest in that they recognise that as there is a schism between them and the Roman Catholic church, it is then questionable to speak of the "Catholic Church".

The Roman Catholic Church needs to be more honest! What it is simply doing is claiming for itself what every one else did. Even things done by people who more properly belong to the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Roman Catholic church is claiming.

Anyway, the main point foryour question is that the catholic Church is the Church of Christ, the Body of Christ ---- and it seen wherever two or three are gathered in Jesus' name.

Enigma: Ignatius who coined and originated the expression "catholic" meant "universal and complete" and thus he said that wherever Jesus is there is the catholic church.

Jesus said said 'where two or three are gathered in my name, there I am in the midst of them'. Thus anywhere you see two or three honestly gathered in Jesus' name ---- you see the catholic Church. in other words the catholic Church is the Christian Church.

Enigma: Thus anywhere you see two or three honestly gathered in Jesus' name ---- you see the catholic Church.

Enigma: A little more of both clarity and honesty is required in relation to what is meant by the "Catholic Church". And I repeat that the Roman Catholic Church is not the catholic Church.

frosbel: JESUS is the TRUTH.

Obi1kenobi: Jesus is not the truth. Jesus is YOUR truth. That is the plain truth.

CrazyMan: Would you work strenuously for 30days only to pay 10% to a pastor how sits in an air conditioned office, drives an air conditioned car and sleeps in an air conditioned room....while you trek under the scorching sun to eke out a living...can you actually do that?

odum desmond: Long before Moses law on tithing came, our patrarch in faith Abraham gave his tithe to Melchezedek the King of Salem and the High Priest of the Most High God. So since Jesus did not abrogate the ten commandment in the new testament why do we single out the principle of tithe to disobey?

odum desmond: If we believe that tithe is strictly for the jews then Christainity should be left for the jews too.

odum desmond: But for those who believe in the principle of tithing, how do you arrive at the actual amount to pay. Is it 10% of your gross earnings or net earnings. A salary earners salary should be 10% of his total earning since tax would have be deducted and not 10 % of amount remaining after deduction of expenses. A businessman's tithe is 10 % of entire profit arrived by deducting the cost of production/invested fund. So guys how do you arrive at your calculation if you pay your tithe?

teeo: Biko, delete your posts

chukwudi44: Delete ke? U no well.The link is too long else I would have pasted everything here

Snowwy: So Zikky, all this is about tithe.

Snowwy: You do me no favour by what you think of me

Snowwy: , All inthe same breadth...see inconsistency.

Snowwy: Someone refreshing my memory yet doesn't care if I tithe or not.

Snowwy: So why did you need to change it? I only asked you to name them.

Snowwy: Oh and here we go again. Get a life, you do not tithe, I never told you to tithe, you already know my stand on tithe which hasn't changed, my posts on tithe on the respective threads are there for all to see.

Snowwy: My my, so you are still holding unto this?

Snowwy: If tithe to you is fraud (Something no scripture ever said but Zikky, with all the bible says about it) so be it.

Snowwy: I tithe and thank God I can.

Snowwy: Was even thinking he wanted to bring out how I supported fraud from this thread,

Snowwy: Now Zikky says otherwise, so who do I believe? Definitely the word. Every other thing pales to insignificance. Get it.

Snowwy: Of all the laws Jesus spoke about, your only concern is tithe.

Snowwy: It is fully obvious to me now that the issue with you guys is that you oppose the word, but because you cannot do anything to change it, you fight the messenger.

Joagbaje: As MOGs are criticized every day by mockers. Has any one wonder why ministries keep growing Despite all these attacks ?

Joagbaje: He many have moved from zero to abundance thought the ministry of their pastors.

Snowwy: (It has suddenly changed from pastoral fraud)

Snowwy: What 'activities & behaviors that portray pastors in a bad light' (It has suddenly changed from pastoral fraud) do I support by the 'tone' of my posts and quote examples?

Snowwy: So please tell me the pastoral fraud you see me support? That is a strong allegation which I do not take lightly.

Chukskalidon: I still maintain that catholicism is a mystery.

newmi: my simply question the particular interest in Pastor is it that until pastors are identified as poor thats when everybody would agree that he or she is authentic?

Joagbaje: Ephesians 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace

The verse above makes it clear that Jesus has abolished the law of commandments, contained in ordinances, given to the Jews in the Old Testament. He fulfilled them and abolished them. The laws and commandments of the Old Testament are not relevant to the new creation in Christ Jesus. It’s therefore wrong for you to live your life trying to obey the Law.

Hebrews 7:12
"For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

The Lord Jesus became our High Priest in the New Testament, not in the order of the Aaronic or Levitical priesthood, but in the order of Melchisedec (Hebrews 7:17&21). This signifies an eternal priesthood; a new priesthood, headed by Jesus Christ, different from what obtained in the Old Testament.
Now, the importance of that is this: Jesus Christ has become our High Priest, and He’s not the High Priest of the Old Testament Law; He has a new law. Remember what we read in Hebrews 7:12, that a change in priesthood automatically means a change of the Law. Since the priesthood has been changed and Jesus Christ is now our High Priest in the New Testament, the law has also been changed. That’s why Jesus said in

John 13:34,
"A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another

Love has replaced all the laws and ordinances of the Old Testament (Read Romans 13:8-10)

. In Matthew 22:37-40
"…Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.".

‎​This however doesn’t mean that the Old Testament is not useful to us today.

Romans 15:4
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

The things written in the Old Testament have been written only for our learning; they’re not the revelations by which we live today as new creations in Christ. Now learn more of what it is to walk in love.

teeo: Tithing was instituted under the Old Covenant as a
way for God to communicate His blessing to His
people.

teeo: The word tithe means "tenth or ten
percent."

teeo: Tithes are to be given from the first fruits,
from the top— the gross, not the net.

teeo: The Word says to tithe. Tithing is not only an Old Covenant command, but
also a New Testament blessing and privilege. Hebrews 7:8 says, "Here men that die receive tithes. But there he receiveth them, of whom it is
witnessed that he liveth."

teeo: What else did the Isrealities undertake as an occupation. They were primarily farmers who had vine yards, grain fields, orchards and livestock. At the time this law was given by God, that was the major occupation of the Jews.

teeo: They had to pay tithe from those things stated above cos that was the only way they got annual income from.

teeo: LMAO, haba be more realisitic. Because we are discussing tithe you are implying that your knowledge of history is low.

teeo: Leviticus 27:30 "'A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the LORD; it is holy to the LORD.

Numbers 18:21 "I give to the Levites all the tithes in Israel as their inheritance in return for the work they do while serving at the Tent of Meeting.

Deuteronomy 12:6 there bring your burnt offerings and sacrifices, your tithes and special gifts, what you have vowed to give and your freewill offerings, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks.

teeo: Deuteronomy 14:22 New Living Translation (©2007) "You must set aside a tithe of your crops--one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year.

Gracious10: Also if these things were not working for individuals in his congregation, they wouldn't heed his teachings neither are they being forced to give.

teeo: Tithe is one tenth of what u have, simple.

Joagbaje: Tithing is about what belong to God.

chiteny: Can you prove this statement from the bible?

musKeeto: And I'm 100% sure newmi = Joagbaje...

chiteny: I saw this in church today and thought I should ask.