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nuclearboy:
I think you guys were too much in a hurry.

I am fully aware of Jo’s ‘wayo’. The fact that the man considers giving to the poor even if just crumbs calls for celebration. It’s a step in the right direction, even if it’s a marketing gimmick

nuclearboy:
It would normally, be laudable what Jo initially stated but his caveat following it clarifies his stand. He wants you to [1] give to God (in church whist the Bible says Christ lives with the needy) [2] give to the poor [3] give to projects in church whist the Apostles gave to uplift people not build monuments to pastors [4] give to the man of "god", again in church [5] give to your parents

I don’t know the source of Jo’s ‘giving list’ above. It’s definitely not from God. Besides, the man is yet to tell us how giving no. 1 differs from giving no. 3 or 4. Maybe it’s just the need to breakdown the giving within the church premises into as many bits as possible to maximise the collections.

Joagbaje:
No sir , its only one of the numerous. You dwell only on one aspect. But there are seveal kinds of giving with difference blessings. You need to read up and balance it.

So what’s the blessing associated with ‘giving to God (in God’s house)’?

Your list is not complete; there are other kinds of giving to God not on your list. i did a bit of research and came up with the updated list (below). You don’t need to thank me.

1.Giving to God (in God's house)
2.Giving to the poor
3.Giving for Projects in Gods house
4. Giving to the man of God
5.Giving to your parents.
6.Giving to God (in the orphanage)
7.Giving to God (in the hospital)
8.Giving to God (in the school for physically disabled)
9.Giving to God (for those in crisis situation. e.g. flood victims at Ikorodu, Lagos)

I believe the improved list makes more sense. What do you think?

KunleOshob:
It neans there is still yet hope for him.

Yes oooooh It’s looking very likely that Jo will surrender his heart to Christ in the very near future

Jo, are you serious  What happened  You see vision last night   

Joagbaje:
If you're born again, all things are yours, all you need do is to put your faith to work,Use your mouth to call you car forth.

Car cometh to me  Oga Jo e no go work like that ooh  When I no dey play lottery  I should confess it and go back to bed abi? Or you think if I keep confessing it, mtn or glo will call someday to inform me of the millions I just won? I know it's possible but don’t encourage me to rely on bonanza to get what I want.

Joagbaje:
you don't need to talk to God , you talk to the thing, It will come.

Who should I be talking to if not the Almighty? Oga Jo I no dey understand this your talk again ooh  Now you are telling to will it (like a god would), no need for prayer sessions anymore, no more night vigil! I don dey operate for God level be that! no need to go to church self;

Joagbaje:
Mark 11:23-24
23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. 24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive[ them], and ye shall have[ them].

There should be miracle in the Christian life. You can get it free, cheap. Or God grant you the idea and opportunity to get the money.

You don dey talk small small, somehow I find myself agreeing to this bit.

Joagbaje:
@zikky
Why don't you just humble yourself and do a study on the holy spirit. He makes a man excel beyond natural abilities .

Debosky got the gist, it was never about what the spirit can or cannot do for you, but I can see you are still having difficulty understanding this. For your status, the quality of your sermon was just not good enough. Motivational talk is not for you Jo.

debosky:
Collecting bribes is against the will of God - if you have the Spirit in you, He will help you resist the urge to sin.

Thank you sir, now that will be the power of the holy spirit at work.

debosky:
Beyond your example, Daniel's account shows us how the power of the Spirit can take us beyond the ordinary levels of achievement

I knew Daniel was an administrator, what I don’t know is what the administrative function entails. Daniel could have been successful because he has the fear of God in him, because he was fair in his decisions, because he conducted his activities in a manner that was pleasing in the sight of the Almighty. I just don’t know. I made my initial statement so as to avoid talking about Daniel. But I will say in response to your post above that the focus of our message should be how the power of the spirit takes us beyond the ordinary levels of achievement. Jo’s sermon/motivational talk did not go beyond the ordinary, and that was why I told him to stick to what he does best.

debosky:
I believe that is what the original poster was getting at.

It was a weak attempt. It’s not compulsory that pastors be motivational speakers as well (especially in the areas of business). Taking one of the generally accepted approach to personal effectiveness (already being practiced by Christians, moslems, hindu, sango worshippers, e.t.c), then attempt weaving in a spiritual angle is a no brainer if you ask me.  If you must do motivational talks, please do so, and if you must preach the gospel, it’s still fine. If you must mix both, you need to have the right ingredients.


Oga Jo, no vex, I had to ‘hit’ you on this one. With your manipulation skillz, I believe you can do better  I don’t see how you could have ‘confused’ a ram with the poor quality of your opening post  So now that we are good, kindly confirm this is not the thread on finance.

Don’t get me wrong Debosky, I am not trying to do way with the impact of the Almighty in our everyday living. I believe having a job in the first instance cannot just be attributed to my ability. It just that I believe we must be careful in the message we pass across when we preach because of varying interpretations.

debosky:
Power by definition is The ability or capacity to perform or act effectively.

I don’t know where you got the 'effectively' bit from. But that’s not my concern at this time.

debosky:
People have achieved all sorts of things without the Holy Spirit alright, but that does not in any way negate the power given to Christians by the Holy Spirit to excel.

Excel in what? How? Its good you define what you mean by excel. My concern here is how you link your quote from Acts 1:8 to activities at the workplace.

debosky:
Going back to the old testament, we have accounts of Daniel being bestowed with an 'excellent spirit' and this resulting in excellence at his 'job function'.

Daniel 6:3 Then this Daniel was preferred above the presidents and princes, because an excellent spirit [was] in him; and the king thought to set him over the whole realm

I don’t know what Daniel’s job function was, but let me ask this; As an Accountant, what is it that tells me I have to issue a cheque payment after (30days) for supplies already consumed by the company? I thought my education and detailed job description when I got the job provided that info? I believe that by being filled with the spirit I know I should not collect egunje from the supplier before releasing his cheque?

Joagbaje:
Refuse to live a beggarly life. When you pray, you no longer have to cry to God, asking Him to bless or help you! There’s really no reason to ask Him for anything for yourself anymore because as His heir, the whole world belongs to you. You're the possessor of all things. Let this mindset control the way you live.

So we don’t need to ask anymore, we just take abi? You don’t blame a robber for going to the nearby bank and forcefully taking the content of the vault, do you? He is only acting out the script above; the whole word belong to him abi? He can take anything he wants anytime. I guess it’s time you start your own ministry Jo, working under Chris makes you an underachiever. Or better still, kick out chris and take over as c-in-c of CEC Plc, it’s your entitlement.

Joagbaje:
Refuse to live a beggarly life. When you pray, you no longer have to cry to God, asking Him to bless or help you! There’s really no reason to ask Him for anything for yourself anymore because as His heir, the whole world belongs to you. You're the possessor of all things. Let this mindset control the way you live.

You see Jo, I think your post need some bit of clarity to it. I dont think it's complete. You have said I don’t need to pray no more, as the world belong to me, so how do I get to own the Range Rover 2010 autobiography? Can I just will that Joagbaje’s SUV comes to me (you know everything belongs to me, including your car).

Joagbaje:
So how then do you develop yourself into an effective personality, having received the Holy Spirit? Firstly, be focused. Maintain a clear focus on the goal, target or task at hand. If it’s your job, an assignment or special project, whatever it is, have a clear focus.

What has HS got to do with focus in the workplace? Please explain. A lot of people achieved desired focus without the Holy Spirit. By this I mean non Christians. So what’s the message here?

Joagbaje:
Secondly, have a good understanding of the subject matter; understand the job definition and requirements for the project or task and everything that has to do with your expectations. In other words, know what needs to be done, and the results expected.

Once again, I like to ask, what has HS got to do with understanding your job function?

Joagbaje:
Then thirdly, have a clear determination for the real success – lasting success. You’ve got to be determined, motivated, challenged and driven by the joy of success.

Then, fourthly, corresponding action; you’ve got to act. You can’t lazy away and expect things to work; you must take the necessary action. Those who win in life in any field are those who take action, so take the necessary action.

Are you trying to sell the HS as a form of performance enhancer? If you are, i think your approach is all wrong.

Jo, I advise that you stick to fleecing the flock. That’s one area I know you can excel. BTW I am still waiting for your thread on finance, I believe that will be more interesting.

babaearly:
Pls let me know.i want to sell a car,should i pay tithe

Your car is a capital item and you must have tithed on the initial income that generated the cash used for the acquisition.

if you made a profit on the sale i.e. sold in excess of the estimated market value (it may neccessary for you to consult a valuer), the profit (the difference between the sales price and estimated market value) is tithe-able. Another term for this is 'capital gains tithe'

If sold at a loss, i.e. below the estimated market value, it means you must have paid excess tithe on the initial income that generated the cash for the car. You then need to see your pastor for a refund. The refund is calculated to be 10% of the difference between the estimated market value aand the sales value. Its possible you cant get a refund cos the money would have been been spent to meet the unquenchable needs of the church/pastor, so you might need to deduct/recover from subsequent tithe liabilities/remittances (you dont need the pastor's approval to proceed with this approach).

This is the simpliest approach i can think of. There are other more complex approach, but am not sure you will be interested

Joagbaje:
You're still making this sounding fleshly, by the highlighted phrase.

Joagbaje:
Remember Cornelius, he was a Gentile too but he was a giver. Especially to the poor. There is something about the giver that cause the spirit of God to locate them.

Joagbaje:
It's the giving that gets Gods attention.

Joagbaje:
Jesus normally would not care about the gentile, his attention was the Jewish people. But he changed his mind on hearing that the man build a house for God. It was the giving that made way.

It looks carnal or fleshy because you tend to dwell more on the action, the end result (the money, the car, the new church building). That’s the point am trying to pass across here Jo. I don’t believe it’s the action that gets God’s attention, I believe it’s the motive and that’s what I have been trying to make you see. Building a synagogue is not important; it’s the motive that matters. If the centurion was the jewish equivalent of let say Sanni Abacha, killings innocent jews for no just cause (and probably built the synagogue to keep the jews occupied), do you still think Jesus would have gone to his place?

Is our giving based on true Christian love or is it to satisfy a selfish end? Do you believe God would look at your actions and not open the door to your heart to see what’s inside? I know 419ers, big contributors in a church, contributing heavily to various church projects, the pastor loved them (though ignorant of their profession) they went from wealthy to zero. I know you will not believe this Jo, but these guys give because they believe it will help sustain their cash inflow. That was my concern with the IPPC Jo, I am not interested in the action (the giving), it’s what you do to make them give. I am concern about the kind of Christians the church is breeding. Now I hope you understand.

siyanda.N:
Brother who must be convinced, God or CE selectors? Why are you defending nonsense? Have you lowered the Power of God to a few man at CE who give judgement on who is faithful enough or not. God forbid.

You have to understand that these guys (CE selectors) are also 'gods'. So they have what it takes to determine a person's level of faith.

siyanda.N:
@ joagbaje
Joagbaje - foolish man

Jo, you dey try walahi. The way dem dey hit here, you suppose don remove all links to NL from your computer. E be like you don develop thick 'kpomo' to the barrage of insults you dey receive here. I know you are a controversial guy, but am not so sure you deserve so much insult, well maybe a little

siyanda.N:
Who is the thief that needs to work to give in the above scripture (YOU?)
Who is the NEEDY (Chris since you give to him)
Between you and chris who is loaded?

So logically chris is not the needy that Paul referes to since he does NOT necessarily need but HE ASKS anyways out of greed and in the name of the gospel (do you agree?)

Now, who was Paul referring to as needy if its NOT chris, well I think the poor, widow, orphans etc

Now, ask your self who was Paul referring to as "Him that needeth? Ofcourse unless you call this film-star-like evangelists Chris Oyakhilome NEEDY

@Siyand.N - You are good

Joagbaje:
It is fleshly to think so. So do you blame Jesus for segregation  when he had to go to a centurions house because  he funded synagogue building.

What segregation? I want to interpret this by referring to your post below.

Joagbaje:
Now concerning our financial participation. It's very important how we use our money to serve God. Despite the fact that Jesus would not minister to Gentiles , a man got Jesus attention because he built a place of worship . Jesus would not want to go but the disciples pressed on him by giving report that the man had built a house of worship. Did Jesus go? Yes he changed his mind.

Luke 7:4-6
4 And when they came to Jesus, they besought him instantly, saying,  5[b] For he loveth our nation, and he hath built us a synagogue.[/b] 6 Then Jesus went with them.----

I don’t know why you believe Jesus went to the centurion’s house because of the money. And you say am the one with fleshy thoughts. Could it be that Jesus agreed to go just because of the centurions love for the Jewish people? or could it be for the cash inflow to the synagogue? I don’t know.

That apart, it should interest you to note that the centurion did not go to Jesus for recognition. You should also read verses 7-9 of the Luke chapter.

NIV:
7That is why I did not even consider myself worthy to come to you. But say the word, and my servant will be healed. 8For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, 'Go,' and he goes; and that one, 'Come,' and he comes. I say to my servant, 'Do this,' and he does it."
9When Jesus heard this, he was amazed at him, and turning to the crowd following him, he said, "I tell you, I have not found such great faith even in Israel."

What about the greek woman in Mark 7:24-30? Was it segregation as well? How would you categorize this type of segregation? Surely it could not have been based on contribution to the synagogue.

NIV:
24Jesus left that place and went to the vicinity of Tyre.[a] He entered a house and did not want anyone to know it; yet he could not keep his presence secret. 25In fact, as soon as she heard about him, a woman whose little daughter was possessed by an evil[b] spirit came and fell at his feet. 26The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
27"First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."
28"Yes, Lord," she replied, "but even the dogs under the table eat the children's crumbs."
29Then he told her, "For such a reply, you may go; the demon has left your daughter."
30She went home and found her child lying on the bed, and the demon gone.

Joagbaje:
Their local pastor still impart them, they have local recognition as well in the local churches.

So the poor will have their own IPPC with their local pastor. Maybe it’s for their good as they will avoid the cost of travelling to attend the IPPC. There is some sense in this approach.

Joagbaje:
It's not your place to determine what a ministry needs.

I am not even trying to. Just my thoughts, dats all.

Joagbaje:
Whe you muse or meditate on the word or on prophecy or your inward inheritance and abilities , It will take over your entire being and the result will be mind blowing.

Oga Jo, you don start. Na statement like this dey derail thread or are saying to be a millionaire, one need to think like a millionaire?

Joagbaje:
MBA emeka,
Leave this your Sylanderer or what did you call her they have bought ice cream for her to just sit in front of computer and type like a mad man.

Siyanda.N is throwing very hard punches abi  at the rate he is going, am not sure you guys will survive another round page of this bout thread  You will need some form of performance enhancer to cope here 

mba emeka:
concerning tithes go and read tonye-t's postings on them.

Tonye-t is now an authority on tithing what a joke

Joagbaje: And if it's true that MOGs do recognition, why would pastor chris recognition be termed with names?

You see Jo, am not trying to make CE look bad or evil, the CE is capable of giving itself a bad name if it wants to, am not the one to do that. Just sharing my thoughts on the relevance and impact of the event (on the congregation), dats all.

Joagbaje: You assumed in the flesh. Several pastors all over the world are campaigning on tv for funds " IF YOU DONT SEND IN YOUR CONTRIBUTION THIS PROGRAMME WILL BE OFF AIR"  etc. But you won't find pastor chris doing that. But God had told him he is providing for every vision he gives him. It's easy to beg on air,If pastor chris calls for money on NTA , millions will respond to it.  but pastor chris won't do that. There is a divine instruction.

You said I assumed in the flesh, you are very correct; the activity in question is also of the flesh. I had to come down to your level. True, millions (excluding zikkyy) will respond if pastor chris calls for money on NTA and very few will respond when an 8 yr old child (with a hole in the heart) appeal for assistance on NTA. These are the people you will say gives out of love for God. It will be interesting to know the kind of gospel these people support. Like I said earlier the chunk of the blame goes to people that want recognition, you guys (the pastors) only encourages it.    

Not that I support recognition, but I like to ask why you use cash as a basis for segregation? You would have succeeded in creating an elite club in the house of God. If am to rely on your response to mabell’s question, I will say these are the members pastor chris loves   So, what about the small givers, when are they going to receive their own blessing and impartation of the spiritual ability to prosper? After they become wealthy enough to meet the minimum threshold for participation? You can see you are only blessing those already rich, or can afford to participate.

Joagbaje: That's a carnal way to reason it. I give with joy. Only few receives such handshake, Im not looking for a hand shake but the grace ,teaching,impartation of the spirit. The word of prayer alone is enough for me. So it's carnal to reason the way you are going about it.

Yes, it’s a carnal way to reason, but it’s not zikkyy’s reasoning, it will be the reasoning of most participants at the IPPC event. Why would anybody want to be honored for a service to God? It’s because we like gratitude (not lack), we like the front seats, the high table, the seat of honor. You encourage it by holding the IPPC event to appreciate your big givers. It still comes down to the cash inflow. The belief that certain people need to be appreciated to ensure they don’t withdraw their support. If God is truly using these people to support the ministry, you don’t need the IPPC.

Joagbaje: Im not looking for a hand shake but the grace ,teaching,impartation of the spirit.

And you can only get this at the IPPC?

Joagbaje:
So having opportunity to say thanks to partners and leader is a spiritual thing.

I dont know much about this so no comment.

Joagbaje:
Pastor chris always teach us to appreciate, our parents, bosses, even employees! He says we should learn to say thank you! Even to the house girl that give you water!

I agree with pastor chris 100%

Joagbaje:
When God calls a man of God , gives him an assignment, their are certain individuals that God will use to bear the burden with him and those who recognise that callings are special.  Such people that have bought into such vision should be well handeled, encouraged and appreciated. Most Africans like gratitude.

I also agree 100% with the bit highlighted above. Most Africans like gratitude; it appears to be an inherent trait. I’ve heard of instances where people stopped giving in church after the MOG decided to do away with the recognition bit. I now understand the need for IPPC, the church need the cash inflow. I hope you also understand the risk here, some people will give just to be part of the program, because they want to ‘mingle’ with chris & CE ‘big boys’, get that ‘godly’ handshake. Giving then would no longer be for the joy it brings or the love for the gospel. To these people, you would have done more harm than good.

Enigma:
They are not even taking the gospel back to the Europeans because their targets are firstly Nigerians and then Africans and other black people in these countries. Even more insidious in any event is that what they are taking back to these people (Nigerians, Africans etc) is not the gospel anyway but the false "gospel" which is no gospel of so-called "prosperity"!

True talk. See it as a market development/penetration strategy. The long term plan will be to ‘corner’ oyinbo market as well.

Joagbaje:
Where did I mentioned that I stay in Bayelsa ?

Sorry sir, no vex. na assumption. I no know say you don move up. I don think am say you no fit collect prado jeep for Bayelsa, na only militants fit provide that kind egunje. Where you come dey na? na Aso rock chapel you dey?

Joagbaje:
Partners conference is not for handshake , it's a place of refreshing in the holyghost

You mean there is no holyghost at your current location (Bayelsa)

Joagbaje:
you know many africans don't understand the language " GRATTITUDE" it's a spiritual courtesy .

You don come again Kindly educate me sir, i dont understand the above.

newmi:
The church needs money, money and wealth rightfully belongs to the church

newmi:
the message of the gospel is morethan ever in the history of the church more expensive especially with the advent of more and more improved means of mass communication like the internet and with all due respect 'the blood of Jesus is not a legal tender', no TV station would accept a God bless you as payment for air.

You do know that technology is expected to make processes more efficient and probably cheaper. You also need to consider the possibility that the MOGs spend more targeting the wrong audience. How do you explain a Redeem church for example setting up a branch or two on a 300 metres (long) street where you already have TREM, Winners, Baptist, MFM e.t.c. already established. What new souls will you be winning? Now imagine each of these churches taking their church global. Everybody wants to be on TBN preaching the same gospel. It’s no longer about the good news, it all come down to the brand. Money is being spent promoting the brand! I do believe the early apostles together spent far less than what the average celebrity church would spend today to spread the gospel. It didn’t cost the Europeans this much to bring Christianity to Africa. Now we are spending far more taking it back to them. With true sincerity of purpose, these churches will achieve far more with less money.

opinion15:
@zikky
am sure you do not have a pastor,you have no respect for men of god at all,if not you would know 1 chronicles 16:22

Did I say something wrong    I’ve read 1 Corinthians 16:22 and cant reconcile it to my post.

siyanda.N:
I wanted to give because God moved me not expecting to get back. seeing homeless people receive a meal, smiling and thanking us put joy in my heart. Seeing orphans off loading food to their homes in jubilation puts joy in my heart. Seeing the elderly telling you thank you they can now have coffeee put joy in my house. Hearing old man 70 to 90 years calling you my child May God Bless you saying May I not die puts joy in my heart. And I then turn around and God loves you that is why I am here!

This is true Christian giving. You don’t see Jo preaching this cos its bad for business.

Joagbaje: Nobody forget anybodys work. It is not every scale that is recognise, if that should be done , a whole year will not be enough to recognise everybody. Recognition award used to be one night before, now five night are not enough, yet many things still had to be cut down for time sake.

You know more people will want to meet the requirement for that ‘godly’ handshake. Chris will have to continually raise the threshold for qualification to reduce the crowd.

Joagbaje: Restrictions had to be raised for those who stand out among others.

I don’t really support people standing for recognition for a service to God. I have to say I have been guilty of it in the past, but I don’t think its right. I really like to know why you choose to measure outstanding contributors using a minimum threshold. What about the man/woman that gave everything even if his/her contribution does not come close to the minimum threshold for recognition? Do I really stand out when I give 10% of my worth or when I give 90-100% of my worth. If you ask me sir, I think your criteria for measuring performance is flawed.

siyanda.N:
Giving to multi millionaire Chris Oyakhilome does not PROVE to God that you Love Him because you are doing the OPPOSITE of wehat He instructed you to do!!

siyanda.N:
Romans 12:8 talks of contributing to the NEEDS of others!! poor, widow, orpahans, sick, that is God's heart. God can NEVER change and EXPECT us to give to ministers so people can witness God is with them!! No. God does not change. God still has His heart set in sharing with less priviledged. You would rather have Chris buy a Jet than share your money with others who wont bless you back. You forget that blessing come from God.

It all comes down to the belief giving to the MOG yields the best returns. I am sure Jo thinks so too, as a result would prefer to give to chris or other senior pastors. Oga Jo, it would be nice to hear you ‘dash’ out your car every two years to needy members of the congregation like the unemployed so they can use it for ‘kabu kabu’ to earn a living.

siyanda.N:
1 John 3:16-18: “We know what real love is because Christ gave up his life for us. And so we also ought to give up our lives for our Christian brothers and sisters. But if anyone has enough money to live well and sees a brother or sister in need and refuses to help — how can God’s love be in that person? Dear children, let us stop just saying we love each other; let us really show it by our actions.”

siyanda.N:
2 “So when you give to the poor (or Chris), do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 3 “But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving will be in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. Mathew 6

I don’t really blame chris, recognition award done in good faith should encourage/promote commitment (now I don’t know the motive for the award). The risk is that it also encourages insincerity on the part of the congregation. I think the participants should bear the larger chunk of the blame. Why would anybody want the recognition of man for a service to God? Maybe it’s the belief that pastor chris 'godly' hand shake translates to a downpour of (monetary) blessings.

mba emeka:
Anybody who was a member at anytime would have gone through what we call a foundation school. it is a preliminary class for new converts or old attendees that want to become full members of the church.

I want to believe this is where they do the brain-washing. For matters concerning the church, one is likely to graduate with the reasoning capacity of a zombie.

SirJohn:
@Joagbaje, you have consistently bullied Siyanda.N to answer your question but you have evaded mine for over two weeks now, can you please answer my own question COWARD!!!

Oga Jo no dey answer questions that will put in trouble. The man will pretend he never saw the question.

Joagbaje:
What I meant was that receiving doesn't come but through giving. I've corrected it

Thanks Jo. But dont you think this conflicts with your stand regarding works? I mean, i thought you dont believe in works.

Does it mean then i must give something to ever receive anything in return? Nothing comes free?

siyanda.N:
You mean Chris does not tell you to give ALL your January salary to Him.

Thank God am not a member of CEC Plc     Cos its likely I take a vacation in December (away from the church) and return sometime in february/march   

It’s not really a giving issue, am just not ready to put down my January salary towards funding pastor chris hair maintenance demands, dats all.

siyanda.N:
Your Bible is a bag of seed! Say that with me. “My Bible is a bag of seed!”.

KunleOshob:
Even though it would be difficult to achieve, pastors are morally bound to teach memebers against making illicit money and worse still using such abominable money as an offering to God. However this is not the case in a number of these churches.

You are very correct. This is where I have issues with people like Jo, too much emphasis on money, money, money.

Joagbaje:
Receive doesn't come through giving. It's a law.

Please can you educate me sir.

Joagbaje:
How much is tithe? Just ten percent, people are Giving lands,cars and houses for the gospel.

Joagbaje:
How much is 10% !

Abi na. Just 10%, no mind them jare I think you should encourage/mandate the tithing members of your church to give more than just 10%, it’s just too small. They can do better.

Joagbaje:
My tithe is the smallest part of my giving. I give far more than my tithe to God I don't even feel I give something by paying tithe. I may get a 100,000 now and decide to give everything , the tithe is only 10,000 !

But Jo you know say na free money you dey collect na, I don’t expect you to give just 10%. Like Kunle noted you are more a receiver than a giver, freely you receive freely you give. Abi no be so?

Joagbaje:
All I have belong to christ.

This, to a large extent is correct, you guys tend to pocket offerings made to the Almighty, an example is the tithe. I think you should give it all back

Joagbaje:
My point based on the topic here is that you cannot blame pastors for not scrutinizing what people give to God in their churches.

I want to agree with you here Jo, the pastor is not expected to stand by the offering/collection box to verify and approve the source of incoming contributions/offerings. This cannot be easily achieved.

siyanda.N:
Give to honor the Lord but don't turn it into a bribe! Jesus gave His life for your salvation and YOU are giving your money for MORE money hahahaha. You are all a DISGRACE to Chrsit

Nice

VALIDATOR:
Anyone found it yet?

No. But i can confirm Joagbaje lost his bearing we need to deploy a search & rescue team