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yommyuk:
In Numbers 18, the levites were required to tithe on what they recieved from the people to God. Now Jesus Christ is the one whom God had given all authority and right to receive the tithe.

When? Where? How? Christ is now a tithe collector. haba yommy, take am easy abeg you

yommyuk:
In Numbers 18, the levites were required to tithe on what they recieved from the people to God. Now Jesus Christ is the one whom God had given all authority and right to receive the tithe.

Thank God you said 'Levites' You have some serious work convincing the Levites to send their tithe to Christ i wonder how they are going to achieve that.

Joagbaje:
he predicted the economy crisis in 2001. he said it would last for seven years

Which crisis

Nice post

frosbel:
We need to learn the voice of God for ourselves. Did you notice that Jesus told people to give to the POOR? Not to his ministry. Yes, there were people who gave to Jesus' ministry, but they didn't do it to BECOME rich, some of them already WERE well-to-do.

I really liked this bit

sandra123:
Q. “What do you think explains the explosion of evangelical churches?”
A. “Maybe we’ll say the economic situation, social problems that we face have been a very good catalyst in bringing people to Christ. I must add that some people exploited that – setting up fake churches – knowing that people will come to wherever they hear God is healing.

True talk. One reason I like this man

mabell:
Having done all these and more, i can beat my chest and say i know the mind of God

mabell:
he is a man sent from God and lo and behold, he taught me about the mind of God

Okay Since you know the mind of God, can you help me with his thoughts on the wahala in Jos and Maiduguri? I also need to know his position on the coming general elections. In your response, also provide some information on God’s position regarding the katakata in Egypt and the Middle East? Thanks in advance

Azibalua:
Are you trying to say christ is not our high priest according to the order of Melchizedek?
How often do you receive?

The order of Melchizedek does not equate to Melchizedek the priest. i.e. it is not about (the man) Melchizedek priestly activities. You don dey take style look for emergency exit. Na you talk say the man dey alive abi? You no dey go anywhere till you tell me where to find Melchizedek  respond to chukwudi44 request as well, before you run away

Joagbaje:
We don't tithe because the law say so. But because tithes are based in principles of faith in God. The principles of God are universal. But come to think of it, o, Is it not ironical, for those who believe that the law is obsolete to be judging Christian givings by the law?

Oga, we dont want 'spammers' on this thread

Azibalua:
Hebrews 7:6-8
6 This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises. 7 And without doubt the lesser person is blessed by the greater. 8 In the one case, the tenth is collected by men who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living.

Madam Azibalua, this na 'wayo'  come back and explain your post here. The alternative is to tell us where to find Melchizedek 

Azibalua:
What were you told, that he died?
Hmmmm so when did he die and where pls.

KunleOshob:
@Azibaula
If he[melchizedek] is still alive, can you tell us were we can find him? I am sure his views would be invaluable on this tithing racket since you guys love to use his one off example to justify the racket.

Thank you.

Madam Azibalua, where is Melchizedek? you have to produce him ooh

Joagbaje:
Tithes are to be given to God and not to widows

Is the tithe sent directly to heaven? So giving to widow (including orphanage, the aged e.t.c) is not giving to God? According to you Joagbaje, the only act that represents giving to God is giving to the pastor. You are telling us here that God does not recognize other forms of giving abi

Joagbaje:
the ministers of God prays over them Because of the anointing in their office. Abraham didn't give his tithe to widows, he gave it to a minister. And the minister by the anointing blessed him

Numbers 18:8
8 And the Lord spake unto Aaron, Behold, I also have given thee the charge of mine heave offerings of all the hallowed things of the children of Israel; unto thee have I given them by reason of the anointing,

Aaron and his children received the anointing to function as high priest, and the tithe was not given to them (they received the tithe of tithes instead). The families that received the tithe were temple workers; assistants to the priest. So what are you saying?

Azibalua:
Abraham paid tithes (before the law came)to melchisedec who lives forever

And who told you Melchizedek lives forever? your pastor? abeg stop this nonsense I can see you chose to abadon Christ and subject yourself to Melchizedek priesthood. Melchizedek is now your high priest, good for you.

Tonye-t:
[center]"we dont die, we multiply"[/center]

You mean there are numerous versions of Tonye-t

mabell:
This reminds me of a passage in the bible

Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me. 18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thy hand. 19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul
Ezek 3:17-19 (ASV)

Memories of what mabell? that the wicked shall die if they dont repent of their wicked ways? if thats what Jo's post remind you of, i think it makes sense cos his post was really wicked 

SirJohn:
okay tell me, since you have Gods divine nature, do you have his omnipotence? do you have his all 'knowingness'? can you declare the thoughts of all men at once? you're simply delusional.

newmi is a mediator between God & men. He/she can decide your salvation status, by choosing not to refer your matter to the Almighty You know CEC is an embassy, as a visa officer, newmi has the power to decline (just for the fun of it) your visa application to visit heaven, so you better be nice

yommyuk:
Without tithes the levites and Gospel can be hindered?

This is not true. Apostle Paul did more work than any pastor today, without tithe  BTW, there are no Levites in my neighborhood, I’ve never seen one 

yommyuk:
my question for you is that how can you as a Xtain contribute your own bit?

I dey contribute na  but not in tithes.

yommyuk:
If you are working and you earn "Money", Contribute part of that money to God via those he has authorise to collect it

Who are those people authorized to collect a portion of my salary Who authorized them Kindly provide a sample letter of authority

yommyuk:
Numbers 18:21
". . . . . As for the tribe of Levi ( priestly Class in hebrew called kohanim), your relatives, I(GOD) will compensate them for their service (Sacred/ Pastoral duties)  in the Tabernacle (Temple/ Church). Instead of an allotment of land, I will give them the "TITHES" from the entire land of Israel ([s]Church offerings made by the congregation[/s])

As for the tribe of Levi . . . . .  hhmm, I don’t know of any pastor from the tribe of Levi 

yommyuk:
Deut 12:4-7

Do not worship the Lord your God in the way these pagan peoples worship their gods. Rather you must seek the Lord your God at the place of worship (CHURCH) he himself  will choose from among all the tribes, the place where his name will be honored (ALTAR). . . . . . .

Did you read part? That God will choose from among the tribes, the place of worship 

yommyuk:
Deut 12:4-7

There you will bring your burnt offerings, your sacrifices, your TITHES, your sacred offerings, your offerings to fulfill a vow, your voluntary offerings and your offerings of the firstborn animals of your herds and flocks.

I no get burnt offering na, how I go do 

yommyuk:
I repeat "Tithing" is mandatory

Mandatory for the Jews you mean. Their brother (Levi) never got to share from the Promised Land, so they had to take care of them.

newmi:
intercession is one of the priestly duty of every christian. Its time you guys embrace the true gospel .
Zikkky pls do me a Favor by explaining this scripture

1 Timothy 2:1
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions,[ and] giving of thanks, be made for all men;

I am not saying we do not pray/plead for the benefit of others. My reaction is based on my understanding of Jo’s post.

Joagbaje:
If it's God that wins souls by himself, why do we need to preach the gospel. Why don't God convert people as he did to Saul. Why do we need to intercede for salvation of men.

Reading Jo’s post, what I take away is the thinking that God is limited in the ability to win converts. There has to be a ‘go-between’; Jo and the crew. So by interceding for the salvation of men, what exactly is Jo doing?

1. Acting as the intermediary for the potential convert to access the Almighty by making the necessary recommendations to the Almighty for appraisal (and subsequent approval)?
2. Pleading on behalf of potential ‘converts’ for God to do the needful? (Which of course contradicts his position that there has to be a ‘go-between’ for man to be saved)

Maybe you can help with the correct interpretation of Jo’s post. Zikkyy appears to have problem understanding the post. I hope you won’t run away (as expected).

1 Timothy 2:1-5 (KJV)
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;  2For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.  3For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;  4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.  5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Joagbaje:
Why do we need to intercede for salvation of men.

Na wa ooh, Joagbaje & the 'CEC soul winning crew' is now the mediator between God and men

yommyuk:
Is it mandatory? Yes if you are a Christian who attends church.

Would be nice to know why you believe it is mandatory What is your definition of 'church' here?

KunleOshob:
@zikky
You can utilize the ticket by regularly pay tithes, giving offerings, partnering and sowing dangerously into CEC plc.

KunleOshob:
Don't forget offer7 and first fruits as well, for better results you can sow second and third fruits or even demonstrate uncommon faith by borrowing dangerously to sow into the kingdom of oyaks.

Please mabell, tell me this is not true

InesQor:
True. But I think it's better than letting him either find out, or confessing to him when you are still at the same job under (sic) the same man!

Chances of the husband finding out is like 0.01%. The only concern is the confession bit you mentioned (as a christian)

InesQor:
1. She should quit the job (anything less is a waste of time) and tell her husband she quit the job
2. She should further tell him she quit the job cos the Oga was making sexual advances at her.
3. When the husband has cooled down from (2) above, break the rest to him gently.

Why torture the poor husband. You assume this will positively impact on the husband's reaction. I dont think this will change the outcome. So if the husband get to move out or move on, she get to still keep her job (and her boss). I think promotion at work will be rapid going forward

mabell:
It is now left for the man to either use his ticket and live the life God has called him to live or he wallows in poverty

mabell, i'll like to know how to utilise this ticket. Thanks

InesQor:
3. When the husband has cooled down from (2) above, break the rest to him gently.

This one na high risk ooh. To do this, she has to be ready to lose her husband.

KunleOshob:
^^^
And some pastors like uncle joe have the "grace" of fleecing the flock and collecting tithes.

Very true 

There is no better 'grace' for one bent on making a living out of deceit 

Claus:
Surely what you mean is that the grace of God can manifest itself in different areas.

This makes a lot of sense Claus

But I can tell you what Jo mean is that you should render your tenth to the church without question. Jo is desperately trying to protect his major source of income and would do just about anything.

^^^^^^ I hope the above is not meant to support Jo’s claim of multiple (various types) of grace, cos it’s not saying anything Jo is still that ‘flock fleecer’ desperately trying to protect his ‘chop-chop’  There is very little you can do to change that image 

Joagbaje:
No evidence could be more clearer than this. That the church of christ has replaced the levitical system.

Thank God you are not a high court judge, cos a lot of innocent people would be in jail while the guilty will walk free

I see Kunle has done a good job here 

Snowwy:
So why condemn the 'giving' because of the 'asking'.

I know people condemn the fraudulent twisting of scriptures (the asking) to get money out of the congregation. I am also aware that some people have issues with the giver’s application of ‘pastor modified scriptures’ as basis/motivation for giving, but I don’t know of anybody that condemns giving.

Snowwy:
'Contribution' was what was adopted by the church back then?

Yes 

Romans 15:25-26 (KJV)
25But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints. 26For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.

1 Corinthians 16:1-2 (KJV)
1Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 2Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Snowwy:
You mean 'paying bills' as garyanold said.
And the contribution was not the same as giving to God?

You are the one saying this, not zikkyy 

Snowwy:
The early church gave at the order of Paul. Paul 'asked' too. Everyone had the option to give or not.

True 

Snowwy:
If because you are 'asked' to give you refuse to 'give' then allow those that give whether they are asked or not to. Is that a crime?

Is anybody saying Snowwy should not give 

Snowwy:
@Zikky,
Please post scriptures for our enlightement of both of what you posted?

I will if you want, but that will be later in the day. Dont have the luxury of time to search for a bible at this time. My apologies

Snowwy:
Also, I wonder why giving is even generating such an issue, however, it is preached. Is that all there is to living in Christ?

The 'giving' is not the issue. The 'asking' is actually the problem.

Snowwy:
Are you now saying that 'contribution' is a new way to give to the church?

It's not 'new', that was the approach adopted by the church back in the days.

Snowwy:
Paul had right to ask the people to feed him but he did not but at least he had a right too as a minister of the gospel. He also said they should set aside offerings on the first day of the week as the Lord has prospered us, please is there anywhere God said this as explicitly as Paul did elsewhere in the bible?
What do you have to say about that? No one is saying anything yet you all claim to be following Paul.

This was for a specific project. It does not equate to tithe.

Image123:
You don't read one verse of scripture and run with it. the Israelites knew that the tithe was of their increase. There was no complexity in it, they understood it even though they didn't go to university like us.
Deuteronomy 14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

But the bible did not say ‘thou shall tithe all the increase of thy flock’, abi na me no see am?

Image123:
i believe i said it on this thread already that you don't tithe from losses or other people's property.

This na pastoral modification to biblical tithe. You must tithe your harvest even if the cost of producing the crops outweighs the value of the harvested crops.

Image123:
On the bolded in your quote, it suggests you do not understand the purpose for the command. the purpose was that instead of allowing the Israelite to choose the best or the worst animal to tithe, God made it a random picking. i.e all the animals(increase) were put into a place with a small gate, as the animals came out one by one, the tenth was chosen as tithe. You can picture it in your mind, or go to a farm, you put some chickens or goats into a place and as they come out randomly, you pick the tenth. If the owner felt that picked animal should be changed(maybe it looks weak or sick or something), he couldn't replace it but only add the preferred substitute.

So if you have eight cows how do you get to chose the tenth animal? After the eight cows come out, you put them back in the small place and let out another two? Or do you just let out two and take the second as the tenth? BTW, if you have eight cows how do arrive at a tenth? Do round up to the nearest whole number? Or you remove a leg or two from the chosen cow to obtain a more accurate result?

Image123:
A true giver would still give something as his tithe. It's like in our today's case, maybe someone earns 74000. Now the tithe would be about 7400. If he gives 7400, he's tithed. If he decides to round it off, and give 7500 or even 8000, it's still accepted by God. that's the person who understands the spirit. But when we begin to play mathematics with God, or. we're compulsorily looking for change before we give, it's either immaturity in that understanding or carnality.

If you have decided to give a tenth of your income to the church/pastor, there is nothing wrong with it. If you chose to give more (or less), there is still no wahala. God will accept any good deed, as long as it is motivated by your love for God and love for your neighbor.

Image123:
When you talk of wealth in Bible days, it could easily be associated with how much food you've got, consider for instance the rich man in Luke

Image123:
Luke 12:19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.

You see yourself you people like enjoyment too much That’s why pastors dey see una as maga to exploit I am sure this is one of your favorite bible verse I am sure anytime you read this bible verse, you dey imagine say you dey cool off for beach for Hawaii with some beautiful waiters attending to your every need. Your pastor don already see your weak point. Una go drop tire

Image123:
His bank was his storehouse full of crops. Today, more focus is on money in our society. Money is what will get you anything today, as it were. Even a beggar would prefer you give him money than food, that's the world of today. How you'll take care of ministers today without money beats my imagination.

No wahala, na your money