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Joagbaje:
There are miraculous things that have been happening to me through my givings, I can't tell them all. A couple gave me a brand new prado jeep, fresh from factory, i didn't ask them for it. They said God told them to give me. Guess what ? I only used it for a year I gave it as a seed this year , I have a principle not to use a car for more than two years. I can't tell all the mind blowing strange things that I experience through giving.

It’s good to read you say you give (though I don’t know the nature of giving here).

If pastor chris sell off or sow his cars today, he will probably receive 20 times more. Pastor chris cannot enter brt na! As the pastor/c-in-c/ceo of Christ embassy, church members will allow it. Oga Jo, the reason you get another car is simply because of your status as area father  pastor. Abeg no turn God to kalo-kalo machine by deceiving ‘ordinary’ church members into sowing off their prized possessions believing it will work for them as well. Stories of the ‘poor’ members of the congregation receiving prado jeeps from wealthy members will be more interesting. But I no sure say dat one fit happen. It would be nice to know you sow your prado jeep to the lives of the ‘have nots’ in your church and get that multiple replacement, Christ will be pleased.

Pastor AIO:
What I wonder now is, if a God is a being that is worshipped, and Joagbaje is claiming to be a God, then does Joagbaje require us to worship him.

You can monetize the worship. I know Jo, he will gladly accept cash in lieu of worship  

But seriously, is Jo a clone? I don’t think so, Jo does not think/act like one. For e.g. he likes money too much   I don’t think that is an attribute of the Almighty.

Pastor AIO:
Because I see all this brouhaha to rest on what we understand as a God and how we are expected to interact with a God. By calling himself a God does joagbaje claim to abrogate God in all his functions.

True talk sir.

Deep Sight:
Your reading is incomplete.

1. First and foremost if the temptation was that ye shall become as gods, then eating the fruit fulfllied that, no?

2. Secondly, God himself confirmed the words of the devil regarding the effect of eating the fruit by saying - "behold, the man has become as one of us, knowing good and evil" - Gen 3:22.

CASE CLOSED! GBAM, GBOGA GBOSA!

I know this post been addressed by Nuke & co, but just can’t resist the temptation of posting something  

My interpretation of the verse: Prior to eating the apple, Adam & Eve were more like dummies, running around the garden – naked and not give a hoot about what anybody think   Adam did not become god, eating the apple only improved his intelligence quotient (qualities hitherto restricted to), even the serpent knew good and evil and still did not qualify for ‘godly status’. Adam came to the realization that he got features/assets Eve would die for   Don’t tell me dat’s godly thinking   Dumb abi? I know   I don’t have the superior intelligence of gods, the like of Jo  

Deep Sight:
Juxtapose -

Quote from: Joagbaje on Yesterday at 02:02:57 AM -

"Man generally was created to be immortal and a god on the earth"

Genesis 1: 26 - Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

I must be missing something, ehn?

Based on your analysis here, are you saying Jo’s godly powers are restricted to harassing goats and chickens as well as bulldozing trees    

Deep Sight:
However what I was trying to communicate by using that example in that fashion is the simple teaching of Christ that the elements are indeed subordinated to the human spirit - and this is evinced by man's dominion over the physical world - which is granted by God.

I was trying to show that this is sufficient to render man " a god" of the physical world - for you inquired in what wise man may be said to be "a god."

Even the 'rain magician' from my village can 'do things' to the weather. i guess that makes him a 'god' as well

Jo is God god of what? Money, (kudi, ego, owo) oh, I get it now, god of properity If Jo is God, we are all in deep sh-t then

I guess Jo will have to make his picture available to his worshippers so they don’t go about sprinkling goat & chicken blood on some representative objects like car parts But I trust Jo sha, old things have passed away Jo will prefer they monetized the sacrifice and make direct sacrifice deposit to his bank account

nuclearboy:
Also, and please include explanation of how Chris oyakilome happens to be a bigger/greater God than you, and Benny Hinn is greater than Him and Copeland greater than Hinn.

god get grade na, senior and junior god Jo did not just come into existence, he was promoted to godly status by another god

chukwudi44:
1COR 9:13-14

But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ. 13Don't you know that those who work in the temple get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? 14In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

So obviously Paul did not receive tithes from anyone

I also observed that some people are now under the priesthood of mechi Na wa

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=497990.msg6650388#msg6650388 date=1282915428]. . .will still run away another day. . .and another day. . .and another day! gooosh Bro stop my ribs are aching already! Thanks for that vid. Zikkyy shebi u don hear am? [/quote]Omo, i don commot hand for the matter here. I no ready lose my sanity here abeg.

Pastor AIO:
menhhhh, I tire for this thread o! I don't think since KAG anybody on this forum has left me so incredulous about how they minds must be wired.

I take my bow and exit.

E be like the guy get axe to grind with some of you guys. The guy go don dey watch una for some time now. Maybe na accumulated bile. Am not sure he's even interested in the topic.

KunleOshob:
it till beats my imagination how some so called christians can justify this evil going on in the so called church using the name of God and his son jesus to enrich themselves and live in extreme opulence when the sheep that the so called men of God are supposed to look after are living in abject poverty. is this what jesus taught Judgement day would truely be very interesting, anyway Jesus has already told told us he would deny all such con men despite the fact that they preached in his name.

When you preach prosperity, you either live it or lose customers to the competition. Imagine Oyedepo driving around town in a 1982 Peugeot 504SR while preaching the prosperity thing? His flocks will see him as a fraud. You understand na

@Pastor AIO, you don try. i have given up further discussion with the guy to avoid more insults.

DBR:
Errmm. . u kinda right, im hungry. It's past ma breaktime and here i am talkin wit sm1 who aint reasonin wit d point.
Wats the bullock u typed above? cant make any sense of it and wat it's gotta do with the discussion.

Good, your vision appeared to be kinda blurred at the time; it might explain your response to other people’s posts.

I see Kunle has addressed some of your issues.

DBR:
The major issue is this, some guys say tithin is nit for NTS.
I say yes it is. Cos Tithing started b4 the LAW,
the reason for tithing still exists in two ways:
1-personal, acknowledgin that God is the possesor, the one who blesses u, and prospers u.

We all agree that tithing is personnel. Tithe before the law was personal and the purpose ties in with your post above. No problem here.

DBR:
2-as a support system for the pastor, the church bills and xpenses et al.
So as long as there is church, pastor and u agree that God is the blesser, u have the
"authorization" or platform to tithe.

I asked a question earlier, what’s wrong with a simple offering that takes care of the church expenditure? Tithe before the law was not used to pay church expenses (pastor’s bills, workers salary e.t.c.).  Purpose of tithe after the law was clearly specified; and it was not meant for paying church bills. Christ never taught tithing (you did note this somewhere), the apostles never taught tithing, New Testament believers were never taught/and told to tithe; the ministry was financed without tithing. You know more than Christ and the early apostles abi? How exactly should tithe be preached? Pastor’s should teach false scriptures in their attempt to make the congregation cough out more money to finance church business abi? 

DBR:
Is it Mandatory?
I say NO, nothin is MANDATORY in the new testament, but there are things that are expedient.

Good, if this was your position, then there is no need us fighting. You need to read through your posts again DBR. I would have agreed with you ab initio but I find embedded in your posts statements that contradict your position, and that is what I highlight. I am sorry but you don’t appear to be who you say you are. If you are not happy people criticize pastors for lying to the flock, too bad.

DBR:
Plus, Im waiting when threads will be opened about what the churches are doin right, but of
course none of y'all is interested in such as it wont give u the opportunity to engage in
malarkey as u call it.

Why don’t you come up with one? Raise a topic on what churches are not doing right, am sure you get the required contributions.

DBR:
And if we calculate your own tithe i guess it's less than wat can be refered to as FLEECE.

You are definitely hungry. If found guity of robbery, the jail term will not be calculated based on the value of the amount stolen.

DBR:
Cos y'all r d ones talkin nonesense, really.

I understand. Anti-corruption talks always sound like nonsense to the average politician in Nigeria, really

DBR:
New testament saint aint even MANDATED to do anythin'. .if
u wanna look at mandate as LAW.
There are many things we are not mandated to do, but we do
and advised to do cos they have benefits.

DBR:
The decision to be a Christian is personal, still u are admonished to be one
because there's benefit.
It's pesonal to be act as a christian[b] but shud u be "Christianly" only when u want to?.[/b]
So dont come here sayin all that tithe is a personal thing,

I don’t understand you sir, first you agree tithe is not mandatory, and then you make statements like the one above. Are you saying I am not a Christian if I don’t pay my tithe? Your post above suggests you support mandatory tithing. Please clarify sir?

DBR:
and some of u say it's not for New testament believer??

Correction: New Testament believers are not mandated to tithe. The decision to tithe is personal.

DBR:
Also, if u concetrate on how much YOU give as tithe u'l see it's meagre
compared to wat the church is doin' in terms of up keep, salaries and all.
Let's say YOU make a million in a month, your tithe is just a 100k, forget wat OTHERS
are payin, so dyu expect the church to funtion, the pastor to live, ad pay salaries and every other thing
on 100k WHICH U MAY NOT GIVE cos u dot feel like it

What’s wrong in just listing out the liabilities of the church (as an independent and registered entity), and requesting members support to cover these costs?

DBR:
Shud the salaries of workers in the church,upkeep of the pastor, bills and which are regular
now be left to a whims of the people.

YES. It’s their money and it’s called free-will.

DBR:
They have to be encouraged to do it.
And the Bible is NOT AGAINST IT.

Forced to do it, that’s what you are saying here.

DBR:
So tithing has become a systematic way of giving and supportin' the church, it's
staff et al.

So who came up with the idea of making tithing a systematic way of giving and supporting the church, it's staff et al?

DBR:
So if u feel your church and pastor shud get regular support from u, Tithing
becomes a SYSTEMATIC way to do it.

I see you are recommending tithing here to support your pastor. You’re beginning to sound like pastor sir. But there is no problem if the congregation agrees to go along with your recommendation. It only becomes a problem if you have to lie/coerce (by twisting the words to your advantage) them into cooperating.

DBR:
Lemme even say, let's assume u were forced to do it,

You really don’t care bout these souls, do you? Look like you it’s the money you are after. What is the value in the show of gratitude if it’s not coming from a willing heart?

DBR:
So why will doin it be contrary to new testament belief?

It is contrary to new testament beliefs if you keep refering to it as an instruction.

DBR:
There's a blessing or lack of it attached to any instructions{note i dindtn even say LAW} given.

DBR:
There are instructions, but u will have to decide whether u wanna do it or not.

My contribution.
The Question: Why cant Pastor Oyedipo Preach in Chris(t) Embassy?
Answer:
1. Its Chris church, and pastor Oyedipo will need an invitation from Chris as guest preacher. Chris is not likely to invite  Oyedipo as this will give him (Oyedipo) strategic access (for marketing purposes) to Chris customer base 
2. There is no incentive for Oyedipo to preach in Chris(t) embassy as Chris get to go home with the daily takings  Maybe some compensation to cover his taxi cost and some other misc. expenses.
3. Oyedipo has his own church na, haba  There should be other means of gaining market share.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=501261.msg6638191#msg6638191 date=1282749329]Bringing this analogy to play will mean Oyedepo having his own design and ministry for instance he could be the neck, while Oyakhilome has his own design too and he could be the kidney. Now is a neck the same as a kidney or are they created to play the same role? i certainly dont think so! but yet they all fulfill the harmony of making a BODY.

Now no one should get me wrong, i never insinuated they maynt need each other, I only said they are different in design and probably may not augment each other.[/quote]Tithing-t, what exactly are you saying here 

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=501261.msg6638191#msg6638191 date=1282749329]2nd: when we talk about dynamisms in christ (which is what this thread is all about), we'll have a scenario where the hand is the hand and the feet is the feet, the waist is the waist and the elbow is the elbow. They are different by design and so cannot harmonize each other they only harmonize the body.[/quote]Like you noted, it is not about harmonizing the kidney and the neck. So what stop the neck from preaching in the kidney’s church so the body (kidney’s congregation) can be harmonized (by fitting in the neck)  or are you saying the body should move around to acquire the various parts 

Talk to me please! 

Image123:
@Joagbaje
Good to see your reasons. Nuclearboy has answered them but I'll just add these.I'll say what James wrote and what Paul wrote are both the Word of God, and that they COMPLEMENT/perfect one another not CONTRADICT one another. It's good that we have a clear and basic understanding of what works are. Works aren't the basis for our salvation, that's why all works BEFORE salvation are next to insignificant and cannot save us. But AFTER salvation, our works do carry some 'market' value. That's basic and that's what The whole Bible teaches. That's what James and Paul taught. Actually that's what Paul was saying in Ephesians 2v8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
And Paul taught works.
Acts26v19Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: 20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

My guy you can interpret the bible better than Jo jare I think you deserve to be on the pulpit while Jo is demoted to a ‘member of the congregation’ status

@Image123,

You dey try sometimes  

[quote author=High_Chief link=topic=502185.msg6627482#msg6627482 date=1282601646]Senior Pastor of House On The Rock, Paul Adefarasin, yesterday prophesied that unmarried women in his church will meet their husbands soon. Adefarasin, who made the pronouncement at about 12 noon yesterday, told the church’s unmarried women that “by this time tomorrow (today), in the next 24 hours, you are going to meet the man that you are going to marry.”[/quote]It comes with some risk. It’s very likely these ladies will ‘gree’    for any ‘guy-man’ that comes their way within the 24-hour timeframe. I have seen this happen before and it didn’t end up nicely for the lady involved. The pastor should be careful when making such pronouncement (probably add some caveat).

Enigma:
Please explain who you mean by "they" in the above, thanx.

Joagbaje:
He was talking to the Pharisees .

@Enigma, Dat was wicked

newmi:
the Apostle was invariably adddressing those who are "Sufferring Tribulations" and are "afflicted" not as sufferring in terms of sorrow but as a result of their continuous insisting on their convictions in that which they have come to believe in Christ Jesus which of necessity and according to promise comes with great reward

Afflicted with what?

Joagbaje:
Every persecution has good motives. The Pharisees believed they were right too. Calling truth heresy.

So who is the Pharisee?

Joagbaje:
Your statement is not correct here. When a man beats wife for going to church , what do you call it?. When a father stop paying school fees because the son or daughter  got saved and left catholic church for a bible teaching church what do you call it? When your family , colleague gang against you. Just to mention few out of millions.

You give the impression this are very common occurrence every Christian must experience. Like I said earlier, it’s more likely to occur in regions or environments new to Christianity.  I am sure you will not persecute your child for being a Christian.

Joagbaje:
We don't have to land in jail to be persecuted. There are different forms of persecutions. When they hold family meeting on you head, call you names. All these are persecution. When someone for no reason just don't like you for your "fanatism" it's a form of persecution. The higher you go, the tougher the persecution.

You beginning to sound like these are from personal experiences. 

Joagbaje:
Nobody says it is a must for Christian to be rich. But it important for them to know what belongs to them. they still have a choice to embrace the message or not.

It’s not about embracing the message. We are talking about Christians that have embraced the message.

nuclearboy:
@Zikky my Bro:

Long time. How now?

Bros, i dey ooo. Work wahala no dey allow me see road some times.

nuclearboy:
Jonah, who lived in a fish? David, who wanted to give all to God and was TOLD not to? Malachi, who rebuked the priests? Jesus HIMSELF, who had no place to lay His Head? Peter, the poor fisherman? Stephen, stoned to death for his testimony? Paul, who boasted in his infirmity and poverty? James, who said its not just mouth (as you do) but actions (which you run from)? John, banished to solitude on an island because of Christ

How come we don’t have G.Os/Bishops/MOGs that can lay claim to such suffering? I am sure they rejoice at the attack they receive here on NL. Afterall they don get their share of the persecution be that na. abi? They can happily boast of being persecuted for doing Christ’s work. The kind of attack they receive on NL is what I’ll call ‘milk teeth’ persecution,      abi Jo you no agree? 

After eliminating poverty and sickness from the equation, I guess your own interpretation of suffering would amount to someone who is unjustly accused, beaten and thrown in jail.

Joagbaje:
No o, all the names of churches and ministers of the gospel  ever attacked on NL , is a form of persecution, that's what I mean.

But you do know ministers and churches are rarely persecuted for being Christians or preaching the gospel. On the contrary, the attack on ministers here in NL and elsewhere is usually for their un-Christ-like behaviors, sermons e.t.c Christians are more likely to suffer the kind of persecution you talk about in a region new to Christianity. Secondly, such attack are usually directed at the ministers and not the congregation, so I will say I was a bit bothered when you noted in your post that it’s compulsory for all Christians to go through such experience.

Joagbaje:
but my own point is that being born again is not an end, it's only a beginning. Every man is born for a purpose.  He ought to live for that purpose.

Okay, but do we have to go through the process of being unjustly attacked, beaten up or jailed to achieve that purpose. A good number of Christians live a society where freedom of expression is allowed (and Christianity is very much accepted), so a lot of people are not likely to get that unjust treatment. What do you advise they do in such situation? 

Joagbaje:
You need to start reading rhapsody .

Joagbaje:
God didn't call any Christian into poverty and sickness.

Seriously Jo, if you say all Christians are meant to be rich (material wealth), why are most Christians poor? You are yet to provide an answer Jo.  Maybe you can also provide the standard for measuring this prosperity (material wealth) you talk about.

Joagbaje:
The answer is yes. A Christian that is not experiencing persecution is merely existing, and not yet living. He towing carefully not to rock the boat of life.

If you say all Christians must suffer, then the group of people you describe above does not qualify to be called Christians. Dats the point am trying to pass across here. Or are now saying there are exceptions?

Joagbaje:
Persecution must rise against you From family , friends , media and NL

Interesting    I guess you must be referring to Joagbaje here

Joagbaje:
It is christians that are not making any impact the devil leaves alone because hes got them already.

If they are hanging with the devil, then they are no longer Christians. Are you saying all Christians must suffer?

nuclearboy:
Does it mean so much to you to reply that when you have no rebuttal, you turn to twisting what people said so brazenly in public?

nuclearboy:
Yet once you lay your foundation of folly (since I didn't say what you are accusing me of), you quickly go ahead to build a home of error on it.
Try show us all the correlation between my post and your reply

Dats Tonye-t for you

Tithing-T, an illustration using say the Nigeria music industry might help clarify the issue here. Let say we have an argument on the integrity of alaba marketers, while you are of the view they are saints, zikkyy believes they are corrupt and swindle their clients. Then we meet a month later and had another argument, this time on the contribution of the marketers to the growth of the music industry in Nigeria. Tonye-t claim the marketers are responsible for the growth of the industry while zikkyy believes the phenomenal growth can be attributed to the musicians themselves (being talented) and quality of production. While defending your position here you accuses me of saying the marketers are corrupt. I find it difficult to reconcile statements like this to the argument or discussion at hand. Zikkyy will always object to such maneuvers just because you want to win an argument. Going by your level of education I expect you to make the correct inference after reading my posts, looks like zikkyy got it wrong here, or maybe you are just being mischievous.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=483135.msg6474500#msg6474500 date=1280424105]One thing i love about your posts is your subtlety and your unfirmness to take stands, trust me that isnt Christian-like at all.[/quote]This is not true and you know it. You don’t need to lie to prove a point. What I won’t allow is you making wrong inference from my posts.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=483135.msg6474500#msg6474500 date=1280424105]Zikkyy if i may remind you, do you remember on several occasions especially in the thread "who says tithing is not new testamental?" you came all out to say you do not have anything biase against tithing and the next time i checked out you said the contrary. i can quote you but b4 i do so i'll love you to do so yourself. [/quote]Again you attempt a response to my post by avoiding it completely and bringing up unrelated issues. So you can have the last word abi? My responses in post 61 was to ensure you stay on track and not derail the discussion, I can see you are bent on achieving that goal.

That said, my stand on tithe is well known. Since you have problem interpreting what you read, I guess I’ll just repeat it one more time; you can pay your tithe Tonye-t, it’s your money and your life and I have no right to interfere. But I’ll resist all attempts to preach it as a Christian requirement cos that’s one big lie. If you still have problem processing this, I suggest you go back to school.

You can quote me Tonye-t, I look forward to see what you come up with.

tithing-T you make false accusations. It will be difficult for me to respond here cos your post is loaded with lies.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=483135.msg6473452#msg6473452 date=1280415394]Zikkyy you comments will never seize to make me laff and laff like RTFLMLO when will you learn to approach scriptures unbiased at least for once. Why the stern obsession about these men of God, cant you guys just leave them alone and focus on other better things about life and sweet experiences in Christ.[/quote]I never told you I had problem with the MOG charitable activities? So what exactly are you talking about? I read my post all over again to sure.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=483135.msg6473452#msg6473452 date=1280415394]When Jesus talked about giving tithes and all other things he knew a time will come when some theives will manipulate their flocks, but for crying out loud he did not say WE WILL KNOW THEM BY THEIR ACT OF COLLECTING TITHES men grow for once na [/quote]Oga Tonye, please read my post again. Where in my post did I refer to MOGs as thieves for collecting tithe.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=483135.msg6473452#msg6473452 date=1280415394]what baffles me from folks like you is that you guys have the silly guts to assume that a practise that Jesus admonished should continue SHOULD BE CONSIDERED OBSOLETE simply because of nothing but your jealousies for the way God blesses these men of God[/quote]Again, I never said anything was obsolete. Please learn to respond to what you read.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=483135.msg6473452#msg6473452 date=1280415394]Ok take for instance, Kumuyi is a well respected and decent man of God at least every true christian knows that, and this man when asked about issues like tithing and its continuity in the new church, here is what he has to say: "I believe every scripture in the bible is given by God and is good for doctrine and teaching and i think that includes Matthew 23:23" and with a lot of points he continued buttressing.[/quote]I happy to see you only ‘think’ that Kumuyi had Matt 23:23 in mind when he made that comment.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=483135.msg6473452#msg6473452 date=1280415394]Men like Kumuyi does not need your monies to survive or leave big, but continues in tithing and offering because nobody but Master Jesus says the "practise of tithing should not be neglected" goooosh Zikkyyy pls for once remove that shades from ya eyes they are too dark already [/quote]So what is my sin? For trying to let you know the MOG should not take all the credit for the charitable contribution? Learn from Paul Tonye-t, the congregation deserves some credit.

2 Corinthians 8:1-5 (New International Version)
1And now, brothers, we want you to know about the grace that God has given the Macedonian churches. 2Out of the most severe trial, their overflowing joy and their extreme poverty welled up in rich generosity. 3For I testify that they gave as much as they were able, and even beyond their ability. Entirely on their own, 4they urgently pleaded with us for the privilege of sharing in this service to the saints. 5And they did not do as we expected, but they gave themselves first to the Lord and then to us in keeping with God's will.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=483135.msg6473452#msg6473452 date=1280415394]OK! for the sake of those reading this, i want you Zikkyy to pls inteprete this passage of the bible maybe we could learn nwa teacher! [/quote]You are beyond teaching my friend. I believe you should go ahead and tithe you fit christ’s description. Why don’t you read that chapter from verse 1, maybe you begin to get the message. I drop some extract below.

1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

13"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.[c]

15"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

Oga Tonye, you don start again.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=483135.msg6471214#msg6471214 date=1280393660]The same MOGs you folks use your phalanges to type ill things about, take a look further into their lives and you'll witness testimonies of how they send tonnes of rice, beans, agricultural produces to those in need,[/quote]At whose cost, the MOG or the congregation?

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=483135.msg6471214#msg6471214 date=1280393660]they give scholarships to over 6000 students every session, at least i have over 40 friends benefitting from it so i know it,[/quote]Again, who shoulder the cost?

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=483135.msg6471214#msg6471214 date=1280393660]they pay their staffers well, some even build good houses to reside these people,[/quote]Where MOG get money? when he no get another job

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=483135.msg6471214#msg6471214 date=1280393660]now they may not be doing it very big and as expected but atleast they are trying[/quote]You do agree they can do better, considering the size of the collections.


[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=483135.msg6471214#msg6471214 date=1280393660]we should say the things Jesus says and do the things Jesus says we should do.[/quote][quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=483135.msg6471214#msg6471214 date=1280393660]Now what baffles me is for someone who calls himself a christian to come to a public forum and utter gibberish like saying that what happened in Matt.23:23 was that Jesus was speaking specifically to the Pharisees and therefore it doesnt concern us as christians. what a rubbish![/quote]Now you claimed your actions are based on Christ’s instruction, let see,

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=483135.msg6471214#msg6471214 date=1280393660][color=#990000]King James Version) Matt.23:23

23 [size=14pt]Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites![/size] for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone[/quote]Hmmm, i want to agree with you here. You fit the description above  go ahead and tithe jare 

Joagbaje:
I will also appreciate your clarification on the IP issue.

This one no get excuse. I doubt she will come back to provide clarification.

Joagbaje:
A Nairalander has borrowed my system to make a post before and didnt log out. And by the time i did a post. behold I was a new creature!.

Now that's a miracle!!  jesus christ is the same yesterday, today and forever

Image123:
Many 'emotional outbursts' have revealed so, though it seems you(Ogagim) and perhaps Zikkyy are dissociating from the EXTREME.

Oga Image123, you need to come explain what you mean by 'dissociating from the EXTREME'