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SirJohn:
Jo, I know you're there, kindly reply my questions!!

Am sure he will be back, he need to do some consultation with his oga. You can send him another remider if he refuse to surface

Joagbaje:
We don't have have zombies . We are only being attacked by zombies

From within . .

Joagbaje:
I don't think a man who wants to go to heaven will be lying to people to deceive them and he expect God to recieve him in heaven.

Maybe heaven is not his priority for now, or maybe it was done believing it’s the right thing to do (the result of relying on adulterated info).

Joagbaje:
It is wrong to scare people to tithe as a manipulation, God is not cursing anybody for not tithing.

You are almost there Jo. You just need to put in that extra effort to get there.

Joagbaje:
For me tithing has it's benefit , if you do it , you partake of it, if you don't, you miss the benefit.

Every good thing has its benefit, if done with a sincere heart. Also note that there are no tithe specific benefits.

Joagbaje:
Nuella,
I don't expect this of you , are you putting me on hot seat?. I'm simply explaining salvation to people and you're derailing the thread.

Is this how you respond to inquiries from church members? Is this how they learn? You only teach what you want them to know? No wonder you have zombies for congregation.

seun222kun:
The PM news correspondent didn't tell you he bought the ticket because he want to gain access to the program or that he needs more fact to make his news report more grounded?

You are the smart one, abi? Why do you have difficulty responding to my post? I don’t recall discussing the purpose of the purchase with you, fo.ool. Why address my post with irrelevant commentaries? If you have a brain and know how to use it, please respond to my questions.

I am not expecting much from you cos you’ve shown you have cement particles as brain cells (I initially thought it was sawdust, guess I was wrong), I don’t see how you are ever going to successfully process a piece of info. I post that bit again for you to study. Copy/ print and ensure you continue to study, maybe someday (I hope) you just might be able to interpret it.

The other option is for you to take the easy route (as usual), take it to your pastor, let him read and pass the message, cos you are brain dead.

Zikkyy:
It’s not my business abi? If the ticket was meant for CEC members only, there should have been the caveat ‘this card admits only members of CEC’. Why sell to the PM news correspondent?

seun222kun:
WHy are you exposing your ignorant, So na soo you novice reach, U no even know your-self for Naija. Watin Small Pikin go decode sharp-sharp na you, with all your old age de fall for, well i no blem you, U see watin to talk about, why u no go talk, the gulter na your own, use as you like.

I see you are already going in the direction of the emergency exit. I’ll let you, cos you don’t add value to my time here. You are merely a distraction.

seun222kun:
Zikkyy, how does this N1, 000 concern you? Pls tell me. Are you a member CEC? If no, so what is your problem?

It’s not my business abi? If the ticket was meant for CEC members only, there should have been the caveat ‘this card admits only members of CEC’. Why sell to the PM news correspondent? If you know I am not a member of CEC and your activities do not concern me, why broadcast your activities on tv/satellite channels zikkyy is likely to watch? Why are you in the media? why are reaching out to me? why not lock yourself in your auditorium and do your thing, quietly. I would like to meet you, just to see if you look as stu.pid as you attempt to portray with your post.

seun222kun:
It might surprise you that since then (31st Dec. 2010) the ministry is still moving, men have been blessed,

So, why should this be my concern?  Why are you telling me?

seun222kun:
If dis thin de pain u reach your bone, ,

Pain ke? I am sure we all know the party that is truly hurting here. From the tone of your post, looks like you are losing it already. You never see anything.

seun222kun:
i take God beg u, go kill yourself   na,  aha ah!

don’t intend to. It’s more fun bashing you guys here on NL.

nuella2:
but i have a question, since every man is born a sinner and need to be recreated, what happens to children that die young, since they were unable to recieve christ. Will they end up in hell? Since God is no respecter of persons. I have read books on how pple saw children in heaven, do God judge children differently? Cos the bible says except a man a BE BORN AGAIN he cannot enter the kingom of God.

Good question nuella2. Where is Jo. . . . . .

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=564033.msg7530698#msg7530698 date=1295001387]The errors within my faith-confines gets too appauling as the day passes by.[/quote]You never see anything.

Joagbaje:
In that case , the pastor that made declaration upon his congregation may not be wrong. He was praying for them too and they shouted Ameeeen!

You are very correct Jo. The pastor was praying for the congregtion.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=564033.msg7531937#msg7531937 date=1295013471]Almost every gullible christian today believes the reason to go to church is either to get God give them a car, a house, a new job. Agbaje, pls where are the messages of Love in the sermons we receive today? where are the messages of peace and forgiviness for our neighbors preached today?[/quote]People won’t come to church to hear messages of peace and forgiveness. Don’t blame them, if you are desperate, what you want to hear are words of assurance/hope. If the economy was good, churches will be empty. Maybe that’s why pastors like to pray for politicians.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=564033.msg7531937#msg7531937 date=1295013471]Rather what we see today are psychological and motivational teachings, someone stands on the altar and tells you

: Brethren my topic today is the 7keys to prosperity, 14 steps to unleashing your potentials, 3secrets to your next miracle and so on.[/quote]Do you know of any pastor that teaches the 23 steps to Aso rock? No, I don’t want that, I think Jo already sold that to GEJ  What about 2 secrets to becoming Governor?

Joagbaje:
The church didn't charge entry fee for service. The church announced that only few people can enter the auditorium which serves as a studio for broadcast . Several centers were created all over  for free. But the main auditorium had had issues in time past with crowd . The committee made admission by seat reservation. And they made the ticket 1000 for the main auditorium but other four auditorium there didn't require tickets . Those who had no tickets went into the other halls .

Please stop trying to justify the ticket issue. We are aware there were free viewing centres around, I am sure people even watched from the comfort of their sitting room for free.  That’s not the issue here. People paid to watch pastor chris live (preaching the word), and that’s the issue to address. I guess that makes him a celebrity. it was a bad thing to do and you know that. There is no excuse for this act, and you did admit somewhere it was not the best approach, leave it at that.

Joagbaje:
It was merely a test to see if it will do the crowd control.

This will fly, only if you were trying to convince a ram or goat here.

Joagbaje:
The issue was not about money.

The event proper might not be about money, the idea of a ticket was about money. You are not helping CEC sir.

Joagbaje:
How much is 25 million? We could have raised a billion in a week if there is a need.

25 million might be small money to you, but it is the act that count.

Joagbaje:
the auditorium cost well above 3 billion I'm not aware there is an auditorium that takes 30,000 with full air condition in this nation.

What exactly are you saying? That the ticket thing was an attempt to recover some of the cost of building the auditorium? I see you took this as an opportunity to brag about the standard/quality of the auditorium. You guys are something else.

Joagbaje:
The organisers could have done better but that's what they thought best.

Stick to this line of defence. It makes more sense.

Joagbaje:
But it was not about raisng funds.

Yes, the ticket issue was about raising fund for the church. The organisers saw it as an opportunity. You don’t need to be  genius to know this.

JeSoul:
So if these predictions don't come true, what would be the excuse? We didn't pray enough?

Of course they will come to pass. Like babaearly stated, these are truths.

ogajim:
The GO said: “There will be big celebrations in many homes/families this year,”

Yes oooooh. There will always be parties in Lagos (every weekend)

ogajim:
For the international community, Pastor Adeboye expressed some concern, saying that serious prayers should be offered for the international scene this year against massive storms and extreme temperatures.

He said: “Pray against major disasters, especially by fire. Pray that God will speak peace to a convulsing earth. Pray against civil wars and civil unrest.”

He is saying we should pray against natural disasters that are likely to occur. He is not saying it will happen (especially if we pray very hard).

ogajim:
There is, however, some cheery news on the international scene, as Adeboye foresees major discoveries in the automotive and aviation industry.

For sure, the likes of Toyota, Honda, GM, Ford, Benz, BMW, Land Rover e.t.c will be hitting the showrooms with 2012 models this year. Some loaded with brand new techie features.

Looks like Daddy G.O is planning on purchasing some luxurious hard-wares this year 

Joagbaje:
I want to thank and congratulate everyone who nominated me, and those who voted for me including nuclearboy and unclekuns. I pray that Nigerian elections will be this free and fair especially the PDP primaries today. May the will of God prevail in our presidential election without violence.

Congrats Jo. Keep up the controversial posts good work  So, when & where is the celebration party? I hope there will be no gate fee ooh  Just ensure the venue is big enough, that’s all.

Azibalua:
now you understand,for you to think that a good proportion of people were sent to the viewing centres it means you believe the crowd was more than double of what the facilty could take.

Yes, i know you have some crowd. But the money was useless as a form of control, even mon1881 got in for free. You have the security agents, crowd control marshals, ushers  to thank for being able to achieve some form of control.

simplymee:
u know that some of those countries do not allow CHRISTIAN broadcast on air or one-on-one evangelism on d streets due to the nations being a part of OIC.

and you truly believe that access to materials on the net will not be filtered/controlled? You will need to take a trip to some of these countries you refer to.

Azibalua:
when they stumble on the word they remain there because the word of god has saving and penetrating power,it is sharper than their guns{Heb 4:12}- for the word of god is quick and powerful and sharper than any two edged sword,piercing even to the dividing asunder of the soul and spirit and of the joints and marrow,and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the hearts.-

Okay. You've posted something i can't argue against 

Azibalua:
also i have never heard Pastor Chris ask for money on air if you have pls let us know when and where

You thought i was referring to pastor chris

Azibalua:
you should have been at the venue to observe security agents,crowd control marshalls ,ushers and so many others function,and who says other crowd control management options were not carried out.

Was the ticket sold prior to or on the day of the event? I am sure a lot of people willing to pay the N1,000 were not given ticket because the venue was already filled to capacity. And I want to believe they constitute a good proportion of the people that were sent back to viewing centers. The real control could not have been the money but the efforts of the security agents, crowd control marshals, ushers e.t.c.

Azibalua:
imagine reaching the talibans with the gospel they may shoot your head if they meet with you face to face ,but with the internet the cant shoot anybodys head.

What do you think a Taliban will be doing with an internet enabled computer in front of him? Listening to a Church sermon, with the pastor asking for donations to spread the word (as usual), or negotiating with a weapon supplier? Don’t you think he might probably be gathering intelligence relating to America troop movement? The man on the internet is searching for something, probably to reinforce an idea, a belief or to improve on knowledge earlier acquired. So you need to mke that trip to Afghanistan and introduce Christianity, you can follow up using the internet. It’s not a bad thing if you ‘lose your head’ in the process.

Joagbaje:
The pm news like to exaggerate .

Who is exaggerating here?

[quote author=aloy/emeka link=topic=580146.msg7471235#msg7471235 date=1294282667]Indigent members who could not afford the N1, 000 tickets, were denied access and sent back by security men at the gate, it was learnt.[/quote]p.m. news or . . .

Joagbaje:
They were not not sent back home but rather were directed to other facilities around the area where they can participate through projectors.

or Joagbaje

Joagbaje:
It's just just that some people like to have their way.

You don begin stammer for this small matter Take am easy abeg, drink water

Joagbaje:
Why would someone buy ticket for a past programme?

Because it’s still available for purchase. That was why the p.m news correspondent was able to buy one. Members must buy up the left-over ticket ooo! Even if it takes the whole year to sell it, the church must recover the cost of printing the ticket (with some profit as usual)

KunleOshob:
No cmment

Is this all you have to say I guess Jo must have been praying and fasting that you experience internet connectivity wahala today Somehow his prayer is working, though not in a way he expect

[quote author=aloy/emeka link=topic=580146.msg7471235#msg7471235 date=1294282667]The ticket, bought by our correspondent, was still on sale today, five days after the New Year’s church service took place.[/quote]

Dulcet7:

I am not sure Joagbaje saw this bit. I’ll assist Jo in providing an explanation here; Crowd control is an ongoing process. With over a million people to control, It's going to take some time  

micklplus:
So, charging 1000 is supposed to be for crowd control,right? Does it mean other strategies can't be applied to control crowd? What happened to crowd management without pay? Really, what would JESUS do? I think we should be more strategical in our approaches to life.

The problem with our pastors these days is that they think in 'money language'. Everything is monetized including problem solving.

Joagbaje:
church has several centres all over Lagos where people were encourage to go and participate through satellite , they don't have to pay to enter those centres , even some of them are close to the main venue for people that lives arround there , so that they don't have to go too far to attend a centre ,and they are all free. The church also pay for all tv stations to broadcast it live so that people can stay at home to watch. So it's only the studio centre that was ticketed to reduce attendance there and to ensure each person has a sit without overcrowd. People were encouraged to attend the free centres or stay at home and participate by satellite. The studio broadcast is beamed world wide and it will be embarrassing to have crowd problem witnessed world wide live. A studio has to be controlled.so the idea is that everybody must not come over here.

I think the idea was to raise enough cash to defray the cost of broadcasting, and probably make a little profit in the process.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=580138.msg7471157#msg7471157 date=1294280822]the pastor talked about building a church in NIgeria. A church like the one they already had in Maryland, and like many already in NIgeria.[/quote]

Joagbaje:
We should appreciate any minister that thinks for tomorrow. And tries to reach the unreach by breaking every barrier.

Where exactly are these people located?

Joagbaje:
There are things instituted under the law that are still applicable to us even as Gentiles

Applicable? the concept can still be applicable. Nothing stop anybody from dedicating/offering a portion of his earnings (tenth, a third) or even everything to the Almighty (based on freewill).

A Christian requirement? NO.

Joagbaje:
but for the tithes , no one ever spoke against it.

Also note that no one requested for it.

Image123:
To the OP
I ask again, did Jesus and the apostles have their bathe? Prove it!
I thought i'd said it here before, but i'll say it again. That something wasn't 'written' in scriptures doesn't automatically mean that it didn't happen, or that it's false, or the assumption that scriptures must disagree by default. Jesus' obvious regard for the law should tell you that He FULFILLED it.

You keep repeating this post.

Don’t think you should go this route Image123. To assume a practice is biblical even though it was never recorded comes with some risk if accepted. One can simply adopt the same approach for other contentious practices we find in the various churches today. Nothing in the NT point to the need for believers to tithe. The apostles would easily pass as the first priest/pastors and I don’t see how you can make such inference from their activities and writings.

newmi:
@Zikkyy
Nobody is contesting the superiority of the office with Christ Jesus,

What exactly were you trying to achieve with your post?

newmi:
you its amazing how some you reason God to be, it only shows that you have not really come to discover the true character of the person of God. For instance when Jesus said to the jews that He was one with the Father and that He came from above and they wanted to stone on the grounds that He being a man make Himself equal with God. But question was that what God thought? Well perhaps you can answer the question correctly now but they were to pldge their lives in defence of their ignorance but how wrong they were, this could be one those scenerios.

I honestly don’t understand the above. Care to educate me a little?

newmi:
Look at scriptures without sentiments. Thank you

What sentiments? That you demote Christ or elevate man to justify a practice? What sentiment are you talking about?

Joagbaje:
You don't have to be under dryer , that's womens affair, just get a soft relaxer,wash it off and you are like any other man, Except that your hair is softer to comb now. No need of messy oil dripping on chair like "COMING TO AMERICA" technology has improved .

Oga Jo, e be like you dey the business of hair perming before. Talk true

newmi:
l stated that the priesthood of our great Lord and High Priest- Jesus Christ is structured after that of a (man) we bearly know much about because very few is revealed to us in the scripture concerning this larger than life figure called Melchizedek

newmi:
The priesthood of Jesus Christ is for ever just like that of Melchizedek not like that of the Aaronic order and we see that tithing was a part of his priestly order; he received tithes as the Priest

Mr/madam Newmi, how can the priesthood of Christ be structured after that of man? You insult Christ all because of money? The ‘order of Melchizedek’ does not imply that Melchizedek priesthood was of the same status as that of Christ. There is only one eternal priesthood, one mediator between God and man – Christ. I know you desperately want to justify your tithing activities, but please stop insulting the Lord.

newmi:
[i]Question 2 – Arehone (UK): Dear Pastor Chris, is it right for a Christian to give up her child for adoption even though she was despoiled? What does the Word say concerning this?

Not so sure pastor chris provided the right answers to the question here. There was a reason for wanting to give the child up for adoption. I wonder why pastor chose to avoid the ‘koko’ of the question?

newmi:
For example, how come Satan didn’t know that Jesus had been taken to Egypt when He was a baby? [Matthew 2:13-18] God asked the parents, that’s Mary - the mother of Jesus - and Joseph, the supposed father, to take the little child to Egypt and Satan didn’t know they had gone to Egypt and went ahead and moved the king to kill all the children from 2 years and down; he didn’t know.

Aawww com’on, satan has guys (agents) everywhere na Tracking is no problem. He just doesn’t have what it takes to hurt the son of God, that’s all. Even witches and wizards from my village can track people abroad There is nothing satan could have done anyway. The sequence of events was preordained.

Joagbaje:
I have known only one journey in life: upward and forward. I don’t have ups and downs.

Lucky chap.

mikeg:
It does not say in scripture anywhere to my knowledge that 'Jesus is high priest forever after the order of the priesthood of Jesus'

It is also not written anywhere in the bible that Christ priesthood is ‘under’ the priesthood of Melchizedek. This is a simple matter, really. Saying Christ priesthood is according to/after the order of Melchizedek does not imply that Christ priesthood is categorized under the Melchizedek priesthood. It simply means that Christ priesthood is similar to that of Melchizedek. What makes Christ priesthood similar to Melchizedek’s? It’s because Melchizedek’s priesthood is considered to be eternal, just like Christ’s. Melchizedek priesthood is a type, a priesthood that is eternal, and Christ priesthood is categorized under this same type (i.e. the eternal priesthood and not Melchizedek priesthood). So, saying we are back to the order of Melchizedek could create a misleading impression, and that’s why I had issues with a portion of your post (below).

mikeg:
Furthermore, I would suggest that the Melchisedec priesthood is the only New Covenant (Christian) priesthood and the only priesthood of which, according to scripture, Christ is the head.

The new priesthood is not really Melchizedek priesthood, we are under a new type of priesthood (a type to which Melchizedek priesthood also belongs) with Christ as the high priest. You should also note that Christ priesthood is not a continuation (succession) of Melchizedek priesthood, it’s brand new. That’s why I say they are different.