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Well I'm from the Niger Delta and I've also gained more from the hausas/igbos than any of niger deltan or even any member of my extended family. Some may call it slave thinking but if things were done purely based on tribe in nigeria many of us in the niger delta would be languishing at the bottom of the sphere. No matter how hardworking you are, it is easier to climb to the top by riding on the back of giants than climbing through alone. Starting from my service year when I was seeking a PPA that will enable me practice my area of specialization, I approached a number of people telling them of how a year of experience in my field will strengthen my profile and make me more competitive for a fulltime position after service year. One highly placed Niger Deltan told me I had to teach as that was the new policy. Another told me it was a good idea but I needed to ensure NYSc posted me to Lagos and after which he will do the needful. After posting came through and I got posted to Lagos I sent him a message notifying him. No response lol. And he never answered my call again after that day lmao till I called him with another number. I got the message and moved on. Nevertheless, I kept sending emails and networking with strangers till I got a job on the recommendation of a man from kastina (never met him before). Job was in my field and after service year I was offered a fulltime position but had to quit some months later as I got a better offer. This eexperience made it easy for me to get other jobs afterwards and I remain grateful to the fulani man who helped facilitate a valuable service year. |
Jaqenhghar:Abuja or Lagos to U.K. has always been a lucrative route there’s no favour in it. Service has never been free . Kindly come off this slave mentality . The British never grants favour to anyone . During the currency crunch in 2017 same British airways threatened to suspend the Nigerian route. Emirates stopped the Abuja route and reduced their daily frequency to Lagos. Now the economic indices has slightly improved they are all back to continue with the capital flight. Emirates is even considering a third daily flight to Lagos . |
Jaqenhghar: |
The day I paid $400 for a British airways flight from London Heathrow to New York return trip I knew there was something wrong and these European airlines have been reaping off Nigerians. Nigerians pay over $1000 for a 6 hour flight from Abuja to London. |
Even their inaugural flight was delayed by 5 hours . I really don’t know what’s going on with them and poor timing . |
mapet:All the points you’ve raised are valid and I never made mention of his current employer being a better option. What I meant is that he should make a decision based on his personal circumstances and prospects. No need comparing both organisations as I don’t even know what bank the OP works for. |
Joekaynews:You can be taken out of any job. My neighbour was retired from NNPC at age of 48 shortly after kachiku was appointed GMD |
mapet:The salary isn’t much in these organisations . The allowances is what makes it attractive . These allowances tend to stop when you retire. Read a lot of comments here and I think NNPC is an overhyped organisation. It is huge and not every staff makes it to the top (GM, GGM, GED/COO) which is where the perks really are. I’ve come to realise that where you work does not directly correlate with your outcome / success. I knew a GGM in NNPC whom I thought was very well off but I later got to know a bank GM and later realised how much benefits these bank executives enjoy. A few years ago an ex-NNPC GMD was found with $9 million and was harassed by security agents and the media. Meanwhile likes of SEgun agbaje , Herbert wiggwe , Peter amangbo get about that annually as performance bonus from the respective banks they work in. Kindly strategise and plan your career. I know lots of bank workers who are normal middle class citizens and also know lots of NNPC/ex-NNPC workers who are also normal middle class citizens. |
deltateam:For me comfort is beyond that. An enclosure with noise/fumes from multiple generators is not comfortable. A building in a flooded neighbourhood necessitating walking some distance barefooted to get in and out is also not comfortable. Waking up at 4am and commuting to the office at 4:30am is also not comfortable. A neighbourhood far from hospitals, grocery stores, schools and reading areas is also a no no for me. I consider these factors more than the whole one or two month income rule. In cities like Luanda , nyc , London, Dubai .. some people spend up to 4 months of income on accommodation as that is the most expensive bill . Most lagosians live in conditions far worse than a stable building. |
There are other factors to consider aside from monthly income. You need to consider the cost of transportation to your place of work/assignment, your income, location (renting in lagos is different from renting in akure) and lastly comfort level. I don't believe in living in inhumane conditions. At least one should retire to some comfort after the day's work. |
kennygee:Conference attendance is a scam that has casted. When growing up my dad was very active in research and participated at several conferences presenting papers here and all in different countries . While in high school we once had an interview together (as family) and VO asked him how many times he had been to USA. His response was “I don’t think I can remember. I returned to Nigeria after completing my PH.D in Philadelphia in 1982 and have been visiting since then. They chatted a bit about Philadelphia and interview ended” Now a Vo is not likely to deny such an individual even in 2019. But all these one time conference attendees are usually targets of denials by VOs. |
babyfaceafrica:Reduced to what? Everything with a beginning always comes to an end someday (including life itself). Saraki is one of the most successful politicians and I doubt if you’ve achieved 1/10th of what Bukola Saraki has achieved in the politics of Nigeria in your own field. I may not be his fan but I don’t see any reduction in this picture . |
rexel99:Nigerians have love for celebrating mediocrity. At almost all levels. We settle for crumbs from our leaders at all level. May be its just me though but I can't understand |
PrinzCarter:Mr. Common sense already had a chain of media outlets and cinemas before delving into public service. There is no law that restricts a child’s place of study to a particular country . Stop hating |
tunjijones:He’s autistic . |
123JohnF:Thanks for your contribution. I lived in East coast USA on a F1 visa for four years and have held multiple B visas so I don’t get what you’re driving at . East coast USA ain’t cheap. If his conference is taking place in Boston (for instance) he won’t find any $100 a week car rental . I don’t know where OP is planning to travel to. I’m only writing to notify OP of the cost implications of travelling to a city in the east coast on a small budget . |
ultimatebas:Amenities ( gas, housing and healthcare ) are cheaper in Texas compared to east coast cities ( Boston , New York City, jersey City...). Hotels in New York City are in the region of $200 upwards per night |
ultimatebas:lol in what city ? The USA isn't cheap and the use of conference invitation to visit the US has casted. If you haven't attended conferences in other countries the VO may question your motive. |
flourishing247:The struggle is real. Where I use to work starting salaries for recent grads is in the region of 6m per annum but people on 9m pa, 11.5m pa .... are all relocating to Canada and a few to USA via non immigrant route. While I frown at their actions I won’t shied from the fact that for many Nigeria is a difficult place to live . When I moved back I was amazed to find people on 18M per annum looking for loans here and there. Taking a closer look at a lot of my colleagues back then, I noticed that most of them tend to have partners at home doing nothing to generate income sufficient enough to support their husbands/kids/homes. In addition church activities tend to take about 10% - 20% of their incomes ( tithes, seeds sowing, contribution to different church events that spring up ...) and lastly multiple external dependents ( family members, lowly paid unskilled workers , others). The implication of these factors was that they were always broke before pay day. They were living pay-check to pay-check. For me I was coming from an environment where budgeting and planning was key to meeting up financial obligations and I found Lagos to be cheaper than most other cities including Accra . I had no dependent got to save more than I spent . However colleagues with much better income were always agitated and complaining about the country and continuously hinting their desire to relocate. |
[quote author=flourishing247 post=78490534]500-700k monthly!!!!!! Please what are they doing over there now? 8.4mil per annum an[quote author=flourishing247 post=78490534]The struggle is real. Where I use to work starting salaries for recent grads is in the region of 6m per annum but people on 9m pa, 11.5m pa .... are all relocating to Canada and a few to USA via non immigrant route. While I frown at their actions I won’t shied from the fact that for many Nigeria is a difficult place to live . When I moved back I was amazed to find people on 18M per annum looking for loans here and there. Taking a closer look at a lot of my colleagues back then, I noticed that most of them tend to have partners at home doing nothing to generate income sufficient enough to support their husbands/kids/homes. In addition church activities tend to take about 10% - 20% of their incomes ( tithes, seeds sowing, contribution to different church events that spring up ...) and lastly multiple external dependents ( family members, lowly paid unskilled workers , others). The implication of these factors was that they were always broke before pay day. They were living pay-check to pay-check. For me I was coming from an environment where budgeting and planning was key to meeting up financial obligations and I found Lagos to be cheaper than most other cities including Accra . I had no dependent got to save more than I spent . However colleagues with much better income were always agitated and complaining about the country and continuously hinting their desire to relocate. d they can still add plenty side hustle and earn more sef. People need to think outside the box. |
flourishing247:The struggle is real. Where I use to work starting salaries for recent grads is in the region of 6m per annum but people on 9m pa, 11.5m pa .... are all relocating to Canada and a few to USA via non immigrant route. While I frown at their actions I won’t shied from the fact that for many Nigeria is a difficult place to live . When I moved back I was amazed to find people on 18M per annum looking for loans here and there. Taking a closer look at a lot of my colleagues back then, I noticed that most of them tend to have partners at home doing nothing to generate income sufficient enough to support their husbands/kids/homes. In addition church activities tend to take about 10% - 20% of their incomes ( tithes, seeds sowing, contribution to different church events that spring up ...) and lastly multiple external dependents ( family members, lowly paid unskilled workers , others). The implication of these factors was that they were always broke before pay day. They were living pay-check to pay-check. For me I was coming from an environment where budgeting and planning was key to meeting up financial obligations and I found Lagos to be cheaper than most other cities including Accra . I had no dependent got to save more than I spent . However colleagues with much better income were always agitated and complaining about the country and continuously hinting their desire to relocate. |
TWoods:Chairman leave that to the VO . In 2017 I quoted as salary of 260k monthly on my DS160 as I didn’t want to bother the officials with information about housing upfront, education allow, 13tj month, productivity bonus and leave allowance. Visa was approved . |
123JohnF:lol you never can tell what these visa officers are thinking. During my last interview at the US deputy consulate in Lagos the VO scanned through my passport and first questioned my expired F1 visa and expired tier 4 visa. Then he found about 8 stamps in and out Amsterdam schiphol airport and kept grilling me about my missions to amsterdam when I was a student . He eventually approved my visa though but I could see he was suspicious about my frequent trips there from Scotland but then this was years ago . |
BOmum:Some things I read here makes me wonder if I’m as Nigerian as some people on Nairaland or if we are in the same country. A friend of mine interned at one of the agencies of the UN (without pay) and in week 4 the team was sent to do some work in New York (including her ) . After two months the team also participated at a conference in Argentina. It was because of mentalities like this I left my first job. People think you have to work for multiple years to qualify for things that you can easily afford on your resources . |
Mishydoo:Speak for yourself. Migration or 1st world work experience may be valuable to you but not to everyone. It has never been a requirement for top African jobs. Some of us looked forward to making a good living out of opportunities in Africa and I never submitted a job application in any of the two countries I studied in with no regret. |
Devilcalibour:Yea that’s why I advise people to throw out their questions there irrespective of the knowledge I have gained from Nairaland in the past. Quora will provide more realist answers on issues related to immigration and education as you have two categories of contributors on Nairaland regarding immigration 1. First category have never left the shores of Nigeria or have only travelled a few times on short visits. They see nothing other than the neat streets / shopping malls/restaurants. They have little or no experience Living and working in these societies and will always be pro- move to the west irrespective of individual circumstances. 2. Second category are our contributors who reside in the west and try so hard to make readers feel they are having the best careers in the west and how nigeria is a shithole and all. Both category of contributors tend to be bias and easily insult anyone who analyses issues from a different perspective. Regarding education, most contributors seem to value education based on the ability to migrate to a country through the study option and for them the country that offers the best education is whatever country that offers a joint permanent residence after studying package. While the Indians , chinese and others use education as a tool/ asset to get ahead in life , the average Nairaland contributor sees education from the perspective of pay the fees , study , secure residence and migrate . In the late 80s the likes of segun agbaje, banigo , Jim ovia, Ben Bruce, onubogu and many others used knowledge gained from the west as a tool to get ahead and also influence many positively. Today for many it has become an achievement to be a citizen of a colonial power. |
superlanny:Wike did not need the army or any security agency to win the election in rivers state . The army worked against him and PDP but he still won by a wide margin |
Devilcalibour:May be a couple of over/under emphasis here and there but in terms of quality you can’t compare the content found on quora with that on Nairaland. However quora contributors have an option of displaying a title/summary and from what I’ve noticed most of the contributors are way above 30s, from a mix of geographical backgrounds and professionals . On The other hand most contributors you find on Nairaland sound like youths who are unemployed or underemployed with so much hate and at times an open display of ignorance . A mix of both ( quora and Nairaland) can be helpful though . |
Sonnobax15:Lol safe trip. Quora has more experienced and well off contributors compared to Nairaland . On quota you have ex-african expatriates , people with experience living & working in 1st , 2nd , 3rd world countries , retired consultants/experts. A good percentage of contributors on Nairaland are disgruntled youths who hardly analyse things from a rational point of view which makes Quora a preferred forum (my opinion) |
Mishydoo:Some of our youths want the education and not emigration. Get that right . |
Entitlement mentality here and there. Britain was built for the British and not for africans. Many used study visas as a route to migration and as a responsible country with the interest of it's people at heart they tightened the loopholes. Those lamenting and regretting most likely had immigrant intents otherwise I don't get why a prospective student will not read about the immigration rules before embarking on such mirage. |
justwise:I must appreciate the poster's sincerity as opposed to how majority of Nigerians resident in first world nations present the west. I don't think the poster has the wrong mindset. He is at a stage in life where tough decisions need to be made and he is trying to be careful. It is only on nairaland that I consistently hear/read of Nigerians doing well in the west. Majority of Africans are struggling in the west. I also struggled during my college days in east coast USA despite getting a generous allowance from home. Nigerians are also struggling back home in Nigeria. In UK where I lived for 2 years + the story is the same. I don't know much about the poster's academic and social background but I'll suggest he reflects on his strengths and weaknesses in both spheres and make a decision based on that. The west can be attractive when young and at your prime but as you age your priorities and interests get to change and some begin to miss the African life. |
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