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SIONKPO1:
Lastly,mist of us here wouldn't mind to get married to cardi-B,Beyonce

Sorry...how did u arrive at this very dirty, fallacious conclusion....??



Its okay if u want an oloshó like cardi b and beyoncé, another man's wife....thats ur choice

but assuming everyone wants the same dirty things u want is witchcraft

greenermodels:
Nna a,this guy is out for them ladies without fear or favour, they deserve it sha.

Peace is too costly, its too hard to maintain.

There is only one option left: Vawulence

kenedyx:
Sunwa1's bîtch, being a religious fanatic was just enjoying guilt-free sex from him by using the rape talk to guilt trip him into taking all the blame which allowed her absolve herself totally from any consequences while enjoying it thoroughly. It's their way. This is normal shîtz that always happen, especially at the beginning of relationships but this religious fanatic has only ridden on that horse for too long. Mind you some men enjoy this, while others don't. .

Hmmm...interesting angle....
U mean the subtle rape accusation with no serious consequences afterwards is probably a smoke screen to keep presenting herself as the holy babe who only had sex because her boyfriend raped her...?? hmmmm!!! To add small weight to you inference...he did say she's religious asf though.....

Magnoliaa:
But you cannot answer it, why?


Yes, the scenarios are different. But the underlying idea is the same thing, is not?

If someone remains at a place, or with someone, or they continue to do something, is that, IN AND OF ITSELF, a proof that nothing is wrong?


Imagine saying to some worker that they are in a toxc work environment or that their boss are wicked and yet they are still working for them.

Alcohol and smoking gradually kills, yet there are still people taking them.

There are people who lose money to bettings weekly, yet they are still doing so.


Why is it hard for you to understand that it is a very HUMAN behaviour for people to continue self-sabotaging and doing things that are harmful to them?

Why?

Yawn....
. u are still just using general view of rape to address this context...thats all u have been doing : dialoguing out of context

..u have no info about this couple...
from.the op, ..they dont even fvck....they are not married...they dont even live together.

.did he tell u he's bank rolling her ??or she has no place to go.??.....which evidence of dependence did u see in this context that u claiming this case is a general psychological case of not being able to leave her abuser??

u like to cap...u just chat like u want to win something that doesnt exist ...u are so easy to whine......

Magnoliaa:
Keep quiet.

?

Lol....e don dey escalate ooooo... no burst a blood vessel untop my matter ooo....its all fun here

Magnoliaa:
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Answer me this question too; when a parent beats a child, and the child has no where to go to, does that very fact means that that child has not been beaten?

U are comparing a very unrelated scenario to this story to justify this lady and make it look like its a norm form staying with her rapist....

Later u will say i am avoiding ur question... discipline and rape..... ko proper nowwww.... ko proper nowwww..haba!!

Magnoliaa:
Please, stop this, abeg.

Yeah, right.

A devil's advocate that doesn't want to accept others perspectives.


Shout about me being female and being emotionally-driven from now 'till tomorrow, it still would not change the fact that you're stiff-necked in your opinions and are running away from any prodding.


I didn't say you're avoiding me. Be like your DNA codes dey misfire.


I have been asking you if you think a false rape allegation and rape are of equal significance but you've craftily been avoiding that.

I can see you.

Come on babes....i just told u why i ddnt swallow ur perspective..thats doesnt mean i am indulging them and considering them..

See ...u are usng general perception, general implication of rape, and its effect on a female victim to dialogue here.... but here, we have a rape victim that makes her rapist come back for more and is even dating him after the rape

All she has as a proof of her traumatizing and horrifying ordeal is a subtle doubt that he might rape his daughter....as in ....as in....

Ayhomes:
thanks for this response really appreciate it but using Fvck out is not the nice word to use. Nothing like village people here he doe not plan to live in the UK.

Okay no vex.... he should not get the fvck out......he should over stay his visa

If he ddnt want to stay in uk...whats he doing with a sponsor... or mayb i ddnt get ur explanation

etrange:
If you're saying the rapist probably thought things could go back to normal because the girl came back to him, you might be right. But then that would be you giving me reasons why a guilty person (a rapist) would continue with the relationship. What I asked if why an innocent person (who is not a rapist) would propose marriage to someone who wrongly accused him of rape? Did she apologize to him?

We can talk about one million reasons why a rapist would propose to the victim if she forgave him, and why she shouldn't have gone back to him. But shouldn't we also ask ourselves why an innocent man would want to marry his accuser who hasn't apologized to him? Someone who still believes she was raped.

Why would a man marry a woman because he's guilty of rape.?? Marry?? As in marry ooo??

...if his intention was to rape her... he has done it....why would he hang around for marriage??..

From the info he gave...he said he ddnt rape her...he said since forever when they smoosh each other, thats how she has always been saying subtle no, yet moaning when he sucks he boóbs and touching him back.....

Mayb he never felt guilty but felt a little afraid when accused ..

Magnoliaa:
If you're not ready to make definitive statements and you're avoiding any questions, then why don't you want to ACKNOWLEDGE, in the least, other possible reasons and factors that we've been bringing up here??

Why?

Sigh!!!.
Avoiding u..?? Lol...this is funny...
Why dont i acknowledge?? Reason is one...i am a devil's advocate...always stirring up more discussion...
..two....there is an overwhelming evidence that the lady wants to keep being with and loving her rapist...making it difficult for me to acknowledge ur emotion and female-biased driven conclusion...... infact the op confirmed few line up that the lady wants to marry him..

Ayhomes:
Hi Nairalanders I have a question that concerns my personal person ooo..he has BRP and he was in the UK last month but presently in Nigeria, just last week the license of the Sponsor was revoked and he wants to travel to the UK next week. Please all the Guru in the house can he travel with my BRP? . Is going for 10 days.

What are u saying...?? Can he travel with your BRP??

See.. once sponsor licence is revoked...ur visa gets cancelled.....if u are in the uk...u have 60day grace to get another job and sponsor or get the fvck out....


If u are outside the uk....gobé...what a wrong time to go nigeria......spirit of village pple has done it again.....

The matter is....u might not be able to get into the uk at the POE unless u are lucky that by some miracle ur visa has not been cancelled before u get to POE....its risky....better not to fly at all...

Magnoliaa:
Does that not mean that how she made him feel afterwards has overridden how bad he felt from being accused wrongly?


Romantic feelings >> rape accusation, no?

Perhaps.!!!!

..its all speculation for me...no affirmative statement or conclusion.... remember im just a devil's advocate

Sigh!!!

Magnoliaa:
You have.

You literally have from all of your arguments so far on this thread.

Lol...u have no idea what it mean to be a devil's advocate...

Sunwa1:
But she's willing to marry me.

She has agreed to marry you??

Magnoliaa:
I am referring to how he felt after she "accused" him of rape falsely. Obviously, that doesn't matter so long as she made him feel like a boyfriend after.

That is all I can here you say.

Romantic feelings far outweigh whatever being lied against felt like.


But can you just answer me this: is a false rape allegation as serious as rape?


Just answer and stop dancing around.

Read his text naaaa.....he obviously felt bad....he's a man naaaa....all men's eyes will clear after cuming and a couole with a rape accusation in front of him...

...the shit was getting real until the friend came and made it all sound like a hair salon gist..
.no arrest...no stay the fvck away from my friend u evil bastarď......nothing..

..they just kept on dating...perhaps kissing and romancing but no sex like he said....

Magnoliaa:
And here's another leak in your logic: E.trange also provided a plausible reason for going on to propose marriage to her. An admittance of guilt.

But you're so high on your own intellectual superiority to consider other stances.

And I told you how people can choose to continue doing something, even if they don't like it and they are in pain/or hurt.



Absolutely.

So all of those talks about false rape allegations destroying a man's life is fabu.

This guy is clearly okay.

For you to think he still wants to "chop" her means rape allegations literally means nothing.

It doesn't do nothing to men.

Thanks for confirming that at least.

U can jump into another conclusion of u like as i ddnt confirm anything to you.....

Magnoliaa:
Why aren't you even talking about how the man is feeling after such an allegation?


Oh, I forgot. A false rape allegation is no big deal.

Again..i have to repeat my self....cos u like asking same question diffwrent way...


How he feels?? probably how the lady made him feel....like he's still a boyfriend..since she ddnt see the need to stay away from some ine that made her go through a horrifying and traumatic experience.....

Have u thought that..if he had not proposed....
we wont be here?? They might just keep dating

Magnoliaa:
So basically you're saying it is okay for men to go on dating a woman who has falsely accused them, so long as she is friendly and open tomorrow.


Please, the next time a lady is ever dragged for falsely tagging a man a rapist, never ever compare it to the crime of rape and don't even try to equate them to be of equal proportion and consequences.


And I can see your semantics advocacy doesn't extend to your personal beliefs because you clearly have been avoiding answering my questions.

I ddnt say its okay to do anything u jumped into that conclusion like all women do...

I should never ever?? This nairaland seff... everybody just like forming oga...

Avoiding ur question...u havent noticed ur question are all similar...its same context

Magnoliaa:
Like really if you think a rape allegation, a false one no less, isn't grounds for a breakup and even lawsuit, do you think it is okay for women to go about branding men as rapists untruthfully then?

Answer me: do you consider a false rape allegation to be just as weighty or serious as rape itself?

Lol....I never said its okay to be with her after accusing him.......a devils advocate never supports any party....i only submitted a plausible reason why he still went ahead dating her since she herself want to keep dating him....

See men....some think with their penis or drive for sex... a lot.... for all i care the proposal is just a scam to make her feel comfortable with him and still get more chnace to chop her again....

Magnoliaa:
But she *lied*, as you believe, about something as serious as rape - is that not enough grounds to part ways with such a woman?


Will YOU, you as a person, comfortably go on relating with a woman even till the point of wanting to marry her, after she has accused you of RAPE?

Mayb u are still not seeing it....

...she said no...she still allowed him do it.....

...She accused rape and also of being a potential child rapist...yet still acted contrary by being with him and dating him....

Lol....U are not seeing the pattern

Magnoliaa:
And it is quite sickening.


You expect a woman who has been raped to cut off ties with such a man, but you CANNOT under that such a man who has been falsely labelled a rapist should cut off ties with the woman.

U are just saying same thing....

Magnoliaa:
And don't propose marriage to your accuser after accusing you falsely?




Like, what don't you get in what she's trying to make you see?

If u dont make ur rapist feel like what happened means nothing by continuously having him around and dating him....he wont go ahead to think its okay to propose

Magnoliaa:
And don't propose marriage to your accuser after accusing you falsely?




Like, what don't you get in what she's trying to make you see?

If u make ur rapist feel like what happened means nothing by continuously having him around and dating him....he wont go ahead to think its okay to propose

Magnoliaa:
And she might have stayed in the relationship with him, if she was under-rating her feelings and experience?



Like, wtf is this logic sef?

You think something doesn't have validity just because a person is still staying there?

So many black people are still living in America, by your logic, that means racism doesn't exist because THEY ARE STILL THERE?

Nairaland is toxic, but you're still here.

Transportation is costly but you're still entering buses to your place of work or buying fuel for your car.

If people HAVE TO leave a place for it to count as truth to you, then nobody in the country really has to be doing anything?

Yawn!!! Nairaland and horrifying/traumatic rape experiencee is what u are comparing together?? Lol....Mayb u should ask yourself what kinda logic that is...

etrange:
Shouldn't we also say "you shouldn't propose marriage to a girl who deliberately accused you wrongly"? If you can't get yourself to say that or ponder on it, then you're burying your head in the sand here for obvious reasons.

And i say again in a different way.....if i was raped...i wont be seen 100 foot near the rapist..

..but if i am still dating the rapist then its my fault the rapist probably thinks things can just go back to normal and then go ahead to propose.....which is why the rapist is now wondering why i am calling him a potential child rapist, yet still comfortable dating him, but expressing subtle doubt.....

to u.... that "subtle doubt" not even an outright refusal is the proof of the trauma and horrifying experience she went through in the hands of her rapist...

To me.....staying the fvck away from him or even arresting him is my own acceptable proof of trauma and horrifying experience

etrange:
I never expected you to see it from my POV. I expected to simply acknowledge the possibility of the fact that the OP actually had sex with the lady without her consent. That's one singular possibility you're shying away from and that makes your submission very biased because the story has a lot of pointers to that possibility.

You think that tagging someone a rapist and still dating the person is a mismatch because you understand how serious the allegation is. But somehow you don't think it's a mismatch to propose marriage to someone wrongly accused of rape knowing how serious such an allegation is? Sir, it's very obvious you only see what you want to see.

..i dont undertsand how serious the allegation is?? Lol....u can assume weteva u like....if u were not trying to see only what u want, u would have seen i just a devil's advocate.. which i do

In other news.....If u want me to see that the allegation is serious to u....dont date ur rapist after raping you

Prizee1:
I just received an offer letter and it says the pay is 10.75 pounds per hour for 38 hours per week. I am a bit worried because most pple say theirs is usually for 40hours per week. Please is this going to affect my application in anyway? I hope it meets the minimum wage? Pls do respond. Thank you

I think the going rate of ur job (if its a care job)is £10.10... u are getting 10.75£ so there shoulsnt be any issue

Posh:
Please, house, I have an important question to ask.

I was contacted by a hospital in the UK for a job as a laboratory officer. They even linked me to the British embassy which has been sending me mails.

The embassy asked my employer in the UK to pay a visa reg fee of 1350 pounds for me and they paid and sent me the payslip to sent to the embassy.
The embassy now asked me to pay for a BTA of 500 pounds in naira through my Nigerian account and the money ll be issued to me through a travellers cheque when I come for my visa appointment.

They said they won't give me an appointment until I pay the money into their account.
I complained to my employer in the UK, but he sent me mail saying payment of BTA is my responsibility.
I don't know whether all these are genuine cos how can they waste 1350 pounds just like that? Please someone should advise me appropriately. No insults, pls.

See format.... boys have not been sleeping ..

The street is not smiling at all...

No lose guard

etrange:
And no where in your speculations do you think the guy might have forcefully had his way with her even when his write-up alluded to that? You don't think that's a possibility too? She made the guy feel bad for sleeping with her by accusing him of rape to a third party who now see the guy as a rapist, and the guy, who knows he was accused/lied against, decided to apologize by proposing marriage, right? According to you, couples who probably have kids remaining in marriage after one party accuses the other of wrongful sexual acts is a good analogy to explain why a single guy would stick with and propose marriage to a woman who accused of being a rapist despite the weight such accusations carry? It's not possible that's just because there's an element of truth in her words and he knows it? It's just amazing how you're defending the OP more than the OP himself while turning a blind eye to other possibilities simply because you feel the need to align with one gender.

Defend??...lol...this of funny...i only looked at it from an side different from urs.....
Every matter can have different angles , because We all look issues differently.....sometimes based on how we feel, our personal past experience, or others' experience...

The angle i view it from is that if a woman went thru a traumatic and horrible experience called rape, which is what rape is.......the post-rape behaviour shouldnt involve continously dating her rapist ......

Now..here are a few of the post-rape outcomes i noticed in this story...
1...she tagged her boyfriend a future rapist of his own child ...a bit extreme..but yeah...an agreeable conclusion for a woman who just went through a traumatic and horrible experience

Outcome 2: She's still dating the rapist....

My point all along is ...both outcomes are a mismatch ....if she sees the dude as a potential child rapist...how is she still relating with him let alone dating him, to the point of him proposing.

I was expecting a more extreme outcome to follow tagging him a potential child rapist like an arrest because it isnt like she ddnt want anyone to know she was raped...

Which was why i felt like the babe is trying to make the nigga feel more horrible than the face-value of the outcome of the supposed rape scenario.....

etrange:
You honestly believe he used marriage, a lifetime decision, to apologize to someone who wrongly accused him of rape even though he's convinced of his innocence? You believe he really wants to marry a lier?Apologizing for what exactly? Apologizing for not raping her? Apologizing for being the wrongly accused person? Apologize for not doing anything wrong? Apologizing for being the victim? Tell me what he's apologizing for.

You believe there is a world in which a man would continue his relationship with someone who wrongly accused him of rape and even go ahead propose marriage to her knowing fully well he was wrongly accused. According to your logic, it could be his way of apologizing to his accuser for accusing him wrongly. You certainly don't think this somehow implies he acknowledged he actually did something wrong. However, you strongly believe a girl who forgives her boyfriend for having sex with her without her consent is being dishonest. Don't you see how your logic works against you? The more you imply the girl is being dishonest, the more you make the OP look guilty. Because no one, I repeat, no one would ever want to spend the rest of his with a lier who wrongly accused him of rape.

Instead of taking the story as is, you're hell bent on coming up with assumptions that align with your dispositions. He has always wanted to propose, right? She accused him of rape, it didn't change that. She said she doesn't trust him with his own kid, it didn't change that. So why did he create this thread now? In your initial post, you said it was "until she started saying...", but now that we've established she has been saying the same right after the incident, why is he fidgeting now that he's about to lose her for good.

Bros...speculations here are based on limited info... if u were following me ..u will realize my speculation hangs on the fact that he waant raped and was only over reacting and decided to say so to make the guy feel bad for fvcking her when she ddnt want to....sębí u know wives do rape accusation thing too these days and they still remain married......So whats ur point....