₦airaland Forum

krendo:
The only thing I don't understand is why EFCC is more interested in media trial of Metuh than convicting him in court

If Metuh has done anything wrong then so has jaffaru isa

Why is he not in jail

"Cooperation" is not immunity

I guess the Federal High Court where he was brought in handcuffs belongs to Guardian newspapers and the court that granted him N300mln bail is owned by Channels TV.

All this media trial sef!

Achuwa1:
The refinery is being funded by CBN,is like a ppuplic private partnership (ppp)..
Dangote is like just a co owner ..
Lagos is already congested & virtually all the crude oil tht will be refined there will be from ss.
so y not locate the refinery in the ss & save the cost of bringing crude down to refine in sw.
moreover,the ss needs the presence of tht refinery more than lagos coz ss tht has dis oil is still backward in terms of developement coz their God given resources is shared among states tht have little or no contribution they make to federal cofers,,,

Why not ask that all the chocolate factories in Switzerland should have been located in the South West of Nigeria or Cote d'Ivoire?

It is this kind of thinking that has stunted our development, we take the easy way out and not ponder on what we really want to achieve. We complain of the menace of Tankers on our roads yet want all refineries only in one part of the country. Have you thought of the possible impact on the roads due to this alone? Is PMS or diesel only used in the areas where crude is found?

FYI, a refinery in the US, flies in crude just to refine for its local catchment area. Refinery is a business and so long as the investor can make money, he should be free to site his refinery anywhere in the country.

banmee:
You still not saying anything. You are saying they are not tried in public but have no instances. Ok. We should take your word for it abi?

Nope, don't take my word for it. Just search for any intelligence officer tried in open court for stuff that affect national security. That will just do it!

banmee:
Now i'm waiting for your list of spies that weren't tried openly. The onus is on you.

I've shown you mine, you show me yours.

Quit that game, I just replied you that there were no trials as the people you mentioned pleaded guilty!

Also read about your first guy, even his lawyer threatened the exposure of secrets to try and get him some plea bargains but as his client don please guilty, na only sentencing Dem do.

ndcide:
Not sir. It doesn't go that way. That's why I said if you were dasuki.

You cannot keep putting a narrative out there and stop the victim of any opportunity to give a counter narrative. It's unfair.

What if he's not convicted. You really don't know what's happening with the media. It's obvious

What I have been trying to tell you is simple: A closed trial DOES NOT mean he is guilty! It does not imply he won't have his own lawyers, it doesn't imply he won't have his say!

It only means whatever is said will not be heard directly by the public but could be released later!

If he is not convicted, the media would definitely announce it with glee that Dasuki was found not guilty. Whether closed or open, the verdict will still be made known.

banmee:
All U.S, either for selling or giving away state secrets.



Now i'm waiting for your list of spies that weren't tried openly. The onus is on you.

1. Aldrich Amesw tried for espionage against his country! And he did threaten to disclose secret information that would embarrass the govt, however since he pleaded guilty, there was no need for the actual trials.


2. Klaus Fuchs Born was a scientist who leaked secrets and he wasn't tried in open court either as he pleaded guilty. He actually confessed his crime.

So basically, these your examples are not it at all.

banmee:
Aldrich Ames

Klaus Fuchs Born

Julius and Ethel Rosenberg Born

These are the ones i can remember. We just did a class on it in my organization. There was two that were very recent. One was a male soldier and another was an FBI agent who used to go to work with a T shirt which read "i am a Russian spy". Bro's, American's aren't stupid. They just won't ask you details of classified documents. All they need to do is prove you had these documents and had intent to sell or give the enemy.

Now you give me examples of spies who weren't tried in open court.

I'm waiting.

Please, which countries and for what crime?

fujirice:
So he will leave the questions being asked him about the fund and start talking about codes and all other things you mentioned? Is it even a secret where Nigeria buys it's arms? Those reasons they gave is not concrete enough. Since they opted to try the guy secretly, they should keep it secret then. What's up with all the media noise?

So tell me, where does Nigeria buy it's weapons?
What weapons do our intelligence officers carry?
What sophisticated weapons do we have.

I'm sure you can readily answer this since it is not a secret!

banmee:
What is this one saying? What you should say is, no "NORMAL" nation tries spies in open court. In normal countries, everyone is tried openly. The only difference is that the accused is not asked sensitive questions relating to National security. Dasuki is accused of fraud. What is sensitive about that? How does that impact National security?

I'd meet you anywhere to buy you dinner, if you can show me any NORMAL nation that tries intelligence officers in open court about national security issues.

I'm waiting!

eagleeye2:
A SECRET TRIAL IS ONE OF THE WAYS. Most of Dasuki's interrogation at the DSS was done in the absence of the Media. But someone privy to the details of those interrogations, made it available to the Media.
If the FG wanted things to be kept quiet, the Media wouldn't have had this Much information. And I am sure Dasuki has also said some other things that this government doesn't want us to know about and are very afraid that Dasuki will reveal in an open court.

That is the difference there that you just highlighted!

The govt cannot gag his lawyers or any other person from talking to the press except mandated by law. That law can only come into effect when the Judge approves a Closed Trial.

Without that approval of the law to it being a closed trial, all things are fair game and the govt can't even punish an EFCC operative for leaking the contents of such proceedings.

fujirice:
Is he also well represented by his choice of media? See that reason they gave no carry weight biko. What is he being tried for, is it not misappropriation of $2.1bn arms money? What is there to hide again? Abeg make them talk another thing jor!

And in trying prove his innocence, he won't have to talk about any of these:
A. Where Nigeria buys arms.
B. Nigerian security capabilities, Pre and Post his era.
C. Coded means to purchase arms given the US arms embargo.
D. Nigerian procedures for purchase of arms.


Tell me, which of the above do you think should be for open media consumption!

dragon2:
Before any evidence is made public in court the judge has to approve of it.As long as dasuki is not on the witness stand he cant reveal anything.

That's not how intelligence works! And that's not how an open court works, even if the Judge refuses, the lawyer can still go ahead. The worst that can happen na objections, and by then media don get am and remember, media will include foreign media and agents.

eagleeye2:
The Media has already tried Dasuki. Let Dasuki have his day in an open court. All these excuses don't cut it.
If they were afraid of security secrets being revealed in an open court, then they should have cautioned the Media.

Na wa o! How do you suggest they caution the media in a democracy? Please share how to caution the media.

bennychuks:
Why trying him secretly as far as I'm concern Dasuki is innocent until proven guilty by a court of competent jurisdiction. APC has not told
Nigerians what they hiding.

A closed trial doesn't make one guilty, it just means members of the public aren't allowed in and the proceeds of the court are sealed!

The lawyers and judges are still going to be the regular judges and lawyers! Just the public and media are not welcome, AND the lawyers cannot say anything about the case to the media but they have all legal means available to them.

dragon2:
Nobody said Dasuki has to come to the witness stand,also, a competent judge would have full control of what is acceptable in court.

A competent judge can throw something as being inadmissible, can he/she prevent a Sahara Reporters from writing about it?

Has a competent judge or even the US intelligence agencies been able to prevent Snowden from saying his mind? Did they not lose face from all his revelations?

ndcide:
Juxtapose this your thought with the media crucifixion. What will be your honest reaction if you were dasuki. Honestly I mean.

Honestly! If Dasuki honestly doesn't understand why he would be tried behind closed doors, then we were indeed in problem all the while he was NSA.

Leave the media, the media would always make things sensational to sell stuff!

Pidggin:
He will implicate some Saints, this is why they are against an open trial

Not necessarily!
No one kills a mosquito on his face with a sledge hammer talk less of killing one on the scrotum.

Dasuki is not an ordinary guy, he is a former National Security Adviser, meaning he has access to intelligence information that are termed "HIGHLY CLASSIFIED" and no nation on earth will trial such people in an open court!
No nation even tries former spies or intelligence agents in an open court, how much more the head of such agencies. It is the height of stupidity to expect a former NSA to be tried in an open court.

The aim should be that he is well represented by his choice of lawyers.

That Ben Bruce is a Senator and does not understand this fact, is a testament to how much bereft of basic leadership qualities the people that we have saddled with making laws for our country. This pronouncement by him, and that h even chose to broadcast it indicates how lacking in depth he is. SMH

fotadmowmend:
I might not know how true your words are but I could induce that its the banks that charge and not government directly and it will be after a number of transactions.

Just to clarify, it is a government mandated policy.

chukstel:
No one is complaining of bank charges. what we are saying is the N50 charge for stamp duty is not OK. this is different from the normal bank charges that you incurs during transactions.

where does the bank charge money goes to in the us? is it the bank purse or the government purse.

please let's not always use the wrong comparisons just because we want to defend someone/something.

thanks

What I shared is exactly the same as the so called "Stamp Duty". It is just a charge that you'd see. You can call it Bank Charges if you want, it is still a charge for doing transactions.

kokai:
Greetings to you Mr. Akainzo.

I would like to educate you summarily about the achievements of Chief Osita Chidoka.

In 2007, he was appointed as the Corps Marshal and Chief Executive of the Federal Road Safety Corps. His leadership of the FRSC led to the transformation of the Corps to a functional Lead Agency in Road Traffic Administration and Safety Management in the country driven by information and communication technology. This transformation had as its visible impact:

I will take this your so called achievements one by one.

kokai:
• A 15% reduction in fatalities from 2007 to 2009 and 28% in 2010;

He achieved the reduction by doing what? What specifically did the FRSC do in these years to reduce fatalities from road accidents? Please share. BTW, what were the actual fatalities number, plus if even the FRSC didn't have a reliable database until 2012 ( as claimed by you! ), how then did they gather the data for the deaths from 2007 to determine that is was decreasing? Bullcrap!

kokai:
• Increase in Fines' Generation from N524,757,951.24 in 2006 to N1.4 Billion in 2010;

Well done! the only part you missed was this: the fine for "driving with a broken headlight" was N500 in 2006 and N3,000 in 2010! So even if you fine less number of people, you can still more than double the revenue generated from fines.

kokai:
• Creation of a reliable Offenders’ Register and data base of drivers and vehicles in the country, leading to ECOWAS adoption of the Nigerian model in the planned Regional Vehicle Administration Information System (RVAIS) by the West African countries and production of Nigeria Road Safety Strategy (NRSS) 2012-2016.

Lie from the pit of hell. Even now that we are using the biometric Drivers License, no unit of FRSC can see if a driver has ever been caught driving under the influence.
BTW, we had the database of Drivers and vehicles since 1999 when the harmonised Drivers License and Car registration was launched. The database might not have been utilised properly but we had it.

kokai:
• Under his leadership, the Federal Road Safety Corps won the prestigious Prince Michael International Road Safety Award in December 2008;
• Moreover, FRSC’s compliance with global best practices led to the certification of the Corps by the Standards Organization of Nigeria (SON) which conferred the Quality Management System Certificate (ISO 9001:2008 Certification) on the Corps on 15 April 2013.

Good news!

kokai:
It is also worthy to note that whilst he was the Corps Marshal, he also bagged notable awards such as the Chartered Institute of Taxation of Nigeria Merit Award on 27 November 2010, and the Institute of Logistics Management of Nigeria Fellowship Award in July, 2011.

Some of the illustrious awards conferred to Chief Osita Chidoka include:
• The National Productivity Order of Merit Award of the Federal Ministry of Labour and Productivity in October, 2010.
• The Distinguished Alumnus Award for good governance and model on Road Safety by the Faculty of Social Sciences, University of Nigeria, Nsukka on 12 November, 2011.
• The Sun and Hallmark Newspapers Public Servant of the year 2012 Awards (Under him, FRSC won Leadership Newspapers Government Agency of the year 2012 award)

I am surprised he didn't pay enough to win the Vanguard Man of the Year award! Nonsense!

kokai:
In recognition of his expertise, he was appointed by Mr. President to head the Transportation Sub Committee of the Presidential Committee on Nigeria’s Centenary. The feat accomplished led to his appointment as the Chairman of the Transport Committee for the World Economic Forum held in May, 2014 in Nigeria.

Furthermore, because of his patriotic disposition to his fatherland, he was conferred with Nigeria’s National Honour of Officer of the Federal Republic, OFR by the President and Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces, Federal Republic of Nigeria, Dr. Goodluck Ebele Jonathan, GCFR on 14th November, 2011.

So he was conferred an honour along with Abacha, thieves like Okupe by such a government like GEJ that doesn't understand what merit is and you are here bragging! Was it not the same GEJ that was conferring national honours on army chiefs that were losing a war to the rag tag Boko Haram insurgents. Abeg, come with better things!

kokai:
In conclusion, the people of Obosi recognized Chief Osita Chidoka’s enormous contributions to national and community development and thus invested him with the traditional title of Ike Obosi (Strength of Obosi). He was also made a member of Ndi-Ichie, the highest decision making body of Obosi Traditional Council of Anambra State in May, 2009.

Mr. Akainzo, as a result of your educating needs, I also recommend you read an attached article compiled by my friend "kennybrown55" on the giant achievements reached by Chief Osita Chidoka during his tenure as the Corps Marshal and Chief Executive of Federal Road Safety Corps. (Kindly find the attached article to this post, please)

Chief Osita Chidoka has proven (and will continue to prove) that he is indeed a worthy son of Igboland and Nigeria. I believe that his expertise will add value to the proceedings of the Nigerian Senate.

Thank you.

I am happy his people recognise him, that is quite admirable. However, do not come to start shouting "What he achieved as FRSC boss" because that is where both of us have a divergent of opinions.

scachy:
U r completely wrong Sir, not every Act, Law is genuine n for the interest of the average person. So Act n laws r meant to benefit few elites n suffer many poor in d country.

SureP was established by an act, which many ordinary Nigerians benefited from. yet, the then opposition said it was an avenue for GEJ to syphon our common wealth.

The only way to prove an Act or Law is not in the best interest of the average Nigerian, is to challenge the law in a law court.

fotadmowmend:
some people would not see nor think. Is there anywhere in the world that government charges bank customers for using banks ? I am of the opinion that banks shoulddd be charged and not customers

Let me just share this to help you, if you do more than 5 transactions from any bank in the US, you will incur charges for subsequent transactions.

In Canada, Most of the banks have the 1st 10 transactions as free, subsequent one will incur charges.

At least, this are the one I know. So clearly, it is not only in Nigeria that customers pay for bank transactions.

To prevent this charges, most people use their Credit Cards and then use one transaction from their bank account to pay it off.

Living4christ:
that us because us have a working law, Nigeria dies not have a law room as at now, if ant African commit a crime against humanity he will be tried by ICC. Are u more intelligent than the lawyer that is dragging buhari to ICC.

Oops! you are really aren't that bright, are you?

WOCKHARDI:
You are taking this issue too far.
Read my post. I said that I don't support nor condone corruption. I believe in the rule of law, equity and justice.
So no APC politicians deserve to be probed. If they can be probed when will that be. Is it when the EFCC is through with the opposition? Answer me!
Don't ask me to produce evidences of corruption against them.
That's will be childish of you.

Let me share something I got.
*******************

THROWBACK.......

Five AD Governors left office in 2003, Lam Adeshina, Segun Osoba, Adebayo, Akande and Adefarati.
PDP was in power when they left, NO CHARGES OF CORRUPTION was brought against any of them!
In fact, OBJ warned Oyinlola (PDP) to emulate Bisi Akande in accountability and incorruptibility!


Now, PDP was fighting corruption between 2003-2007 but no progressive governor was involved. Alamieyesigha was impeached because of corruption; Wabara was impeached as Senate President because of corruption; Dariye was under fire because of corruption, so ALL THESE GUYS ARE PDP MEMBERS!
Therefore War against Corruption in those era was actually against PDP.

Between 2007 and 2015, the Opposition member that was charged for corruption was no other person than the Opposition Leader himself TINUBU. He was tried in no other Court apart from the one under the direct supervision of the PDP led FG......CCT. He was discharged and Acquitted.

During this time, Ibori was jailed for corruption, he is a PDP man. Bode George was jailed for corruption, also a PDP man, Farouk Lawan was indicted for Corruption with a caught on tape evidence......hmmmm....also a PDP man. The pension thieves, Oransanya scam, the NNPC fraud exposed by Ribadu, Sule Lamido and his thieving sons among others were all corruption cases initiated by the PDP government itself against PDP members.

Why has the PDP not being able to convict opposition members of corruption apart from its members ONLY? War against corruption means war against PDP!!!

Did they challenge their own governments to spread their war on corruption on others? Corruption is not a war fought using federal character, only those who are guilty get punished!!!!

There has been a subtle fight before.....but this time is #WARAGAINSTCORRUPTION.......and mind you #BuhariWillSucceed.

Iko5000:
Please tell them. This is one sided but Nigerians do not learn from history. Yes GEJ govt had a lot of corrupt people but make sure you prosecute everyone including obasanjo and Tinubu and not selected people to make yourselves look good.

Next time an armed robber accosts you or raids your family house, please be kind enough to tell the Police not to investigate the case or prosecute the thieves UNTIL all armed robbery cases before yours were settled.

Do you believe that is the way to go?

I don't understand how being given an award by an organisation like that in Atlanta is made a chest beating affair!

Can anyone show a list of former recipients of the award or was it just contrived for GEJ for PR purposes?

OLADD:
Watch your mouth! Dasuki has not been pronounced guilty or convicted of stealing by any court in Nigeria and elsewhere.

Quite funny! Do not you have a dog in the fight?

OLADD:
You mean unending detention orders? Can't you read between the lines? The recycled court orders were meant to keep him permanently incommunicado. If the president is not afraid of Dasuki's freedom, he should stop waylaying him after every court bail.

And with regards to his lawyer's representation, how many Nigerians would take his lawyer's statement as authentic?
Nigerians are earnestly waiting to hear from the horse's mouth.

Very funny! How many times did you "hear from the horses mouth" when thieves are being convicted, did you therefore say it was improper since yoyu didn't "hear from the horses mouth". Or did you hear Anini confess at a Press Conference before he was jailed?

Scholes007:
his lawyer have denied the allegations on dasuki and have only said he will only speak in the court. Now what is holding them from taking him to the court.

Seems you are confusing Dasuki with Olisah Metuh?

Living4christ:
was it not the same ICC that banned Nigeria from
AU after saro murder? do ur research on ICC and
see there victims and note that ICC comprises of
all World power

Again, you are comparing Apples to Oranges. The issue is not about Nigeria and ICC, the statement is that: No United States of America citizen can be tried by the ICC, so USA and not Nigeria.

OLADD:
No law bars him from speaking to the nation via a press conference. Under what capacity did Buhari speak to the nation when he was seeking political office? Under what capacity did he address the nation when playing down his Certificate saga?

And what has stopped him from issuing any Press Statement through his lawyers? Do you assume it is only by being physically present that people issue press statements?

If you cannot differentiate between a man with a valid detention order and one that is walking free on the streets, then I understand why you'd think Dasuki is being prevented from speaking to Nigerians.

kenny987:
He is to speak in the court. Having been accused of so many issues he is entitled to speak and be heard on the courts and not necessarily to security agencies detaining him. Why has that not happened yet? Why the delay?

Very funny. Even if he is charged to court, he doesn't necessarily have to speak to anybody except if his lawyers want to put him on the stands or the prosecution wants to grill him.

The job of speaking is for his lawyers! His lawyers can speak for him anytime, any day seeing as they have access to him. Whatsoever he wants to tell Nigerians today, he can say it to his lawyers and they would issue a press statement or whatever they want.

The essence is, Dasuki has not being prevented from speaking his mind. He has a freedom of speech, but his freedom of movement is what has been curtailed by being in detention.