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. . .just one problem with the OP's premise:

And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
(Luk 16:22-26)

. . .it is clear from Jesus' words that both men died and were buried. Jesus shows us what transpired between these two after death. If a choice be made between Jesus' actual words and some other conjecture, it is clear where the truth lies.

P.S. That one is named John Wesley or William Tyndale does not make one's words Holy Writ.

Nice thread. Me like.

This one sticks in my memory:

How Joagbaje Became God

^Story. Here is your progression:

logicboy01: Time machine not spaceship.

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aletheia: Actually in a sort of way it is. Study some more.

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logicboy01: nope. its not.

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aletheia: You are still thinking in Euclidean terms. . .Einstein's theories support my position.

In some respects: Space Travel is Time Travel.

. . .try and look up the Twin paradox

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logicboy01: The time travel I am talking about is time travel into the past. Lets see how you come back from that.

Conclusion: You didn't know that:

aletheia: In some respects: Space Travel is Time Travel.

logicboy01: I will leave you to confuse yourself. The very fact that I mentioned wormholes in time travel shows that I know what I am talking about. You are free to continue yapping about

"Mentioned wormholes"... This proves nothing. Id[i]i[/i]ot-savants may sound intelligible but nonetheless they remain i[b]di[/b]ots. I dropped several hints earlier directing you to the Special Theory of Relativity but you prefer to wallow in ignorance. You provide an illustration of this quote:

A little learning is a dangerous thing;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again.

aletheia: . . .In some respects: Space Travel is Time Travel.

Now your education will proceed. Be humble enough to learn.

Unifying space and time

Einstein’s theory of special relativity created a fundamental link between space and time. The universe can be viewed as having three space dimensions — up/down, left/right, forward/backward — and one time dimension. This 4-dimensional space is referred to as the space-time continuum.

If you move fast enough through space, the observations that you make about space and time differ somewhat from the observations of other people, who are moving at different speeds.

You can picture this for yourself by understanding the thought experiment depicted in this figure. Imagine that you’re on a spaceship and holding a laser so it shoots a beam of light directly up, striking a mirror you’ve placed on the ceiling. The light beam then comes back down and strikes a detector.
https://media.wiley.com/Lux/24/183224.image0.jpg
(Top) You see a beam of light go up, bounce off the mirror, and come straight down. (Bottom) Amber sees the beam travel along a diagonal path.

However, the spaceship is traveling at a constant speed of half the speed of light (0.5c, as physicists would write it). According to Einstein, this makes no difference to you — you can’t even tell that you’re moving. However, if astronaut Amber were spying on you, as in the bottom of the figure, it would be a different story.

Amber would see your beam of light travel upward along a diagonal path, strike the mirror, and then travel downward along a diagonal path before striking the detector. In other words, you and Amber would see different paths for the light and, more importantly, those paths aren’t even the same length. This means that the time the beam takes to go from the laser to the mirror to the detector must also be different for you and Amber so that you both agree on the speed of light.

This phenomenon is known as time dilation, where the time on a ship moving very quickly appears to pass slower than on Earth.

As strange as it seems, this example (and many others) demonstrates that in Einstein’s theory of relativity, space and time are intimately linked together. If you apply Lorentz transformation equations, they work out so that the speed of light is perfectly consistent for both observers.

This strange behavior of space and time is only evident when you’re traveling close to the speed of light, so no one had ever observed it before. Experiments carried out since Einstein’s discovery have confirmed that it’s true — time and space are perceived differently, in precisely the way Einstein described, for objects moving near the speed of light.

Source: Einstein's Special Relativity - For Dummies

Also try and look up the Twin paradox

frosbel: You mean the Calvin bible , right ?

And which Bible is that?

logicboy01: Does the moon or mars or venus rotate at the same rate as the earth? Hmm?

It is quite clear now that you haven't the foggiest notion of what Time is, or what Time travel entails. For starters go here

"Wormholes"? Clearly, you don't understand what these are. Are they the only theoretical forms of time travel?

You have a romanticized view of time travel. In some respects: Space Travel is Time Travel.

frosbel: The Sons of GOD were Men of GOD - Period.

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Again the Bible trumps frosbel:

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
(Job 1:6)
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
(Job 38:7)
He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
(Dan 3:25)
Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.
(Dan 3:28)

The foregoing verses show clearly that your opinion is wrong and most certainly not in keeping with the witness of the scriptures. Before the Incarnation, Death and Resurrection, and our Adoption, the term "sons of God" was used to describe heavenly beings (angels) as seen in the OT.

logicboy01: nope. its not.

We are talking about time on EARTH

Your petulant post just goes to show that you really don't have a grasp of what you are talking about. How is "Time on earth" different from Time elsewhere?

You said:

logicboy01: Time machine not spaceship.

And for emphasis I repeat:

aletheia: Actually in a sort of way it is. Study some more.

You are still thinking in Euclidean terms.
Einstein's theories support my position. Now go study a bit more else you 'll continue talking through your hat.

logicboy01: Time machine not spaceship.

Actually in a sort of way it is. Study some more.

frosbel: Angels cannot mate with humans

. . .says frosbel. Nevertheless the Bible says it happened. The Bible trumps frosbel every time. In what way were the children of Seth "clean seed"? Neatly avoiding that aren't you?

frosbel: why is this not happening today, since there are demons ( angels ) hanging about , patrolling to and fro across the earth, why can they not make full use of their so called reproductive organs to mate. '.

How do you know it's not happening again? You only have your preconceived notions to go by. Open your eyes, read your Bible (without your notions getting in the way) and see the social engineering going on. . .designed to condition men to welcome fallen angels as their saviors.
But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (Mat 24:37)

frosbel: Wrong for the 3rd time.
What God purposes, no one , not even Satan can thwart.
Satan is on a leash and like a barking dog he can only do what he is allowed to.
To suggest that Satan could have thwarted God's plans , by somehow making his angels develop sex organs to mate with women, would have been laughable if people did not take it seriously.

Stop juxtaposing your emotions upon the truth. In form and appearance when physically manifest as described in the Bible, angels appeared as men not eunuchs. The issue here is fallen angels who are disobedient. Men are not supposed to mate with animals, nonetheless don't a few practice this abomination? Angels are not to mate with man, yet disobedient fallen angels did so in the past and are bound over in chains in darkness for that.

Satan has always sought to thwart God's plan. But he has always failed. Doesn't mean he won't try. Herod tried to kill Jesus, didn't he? Did he succeed.

vescucci:
InesQor. I find it very very unlikely that some Hot angels fornicated with humans. If they did, why don't they continue to do so since after the flood. I don't wanna sound like a cynic but I just don't like when we accept speculation proceeding from little proof

@vescucci:

Well, that might be your preconceptions speaking (no offence intended) . But the language of Genesis 6 makes quite clear that the angels cohabited with the women:

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
What does the phrase came in unto the daughters of men mean if not interactions of a sexual nature?

@InesQor:

On a slightly more technical note; part of the misunderstanding is that English doesn't capture the full meaning of certain Hebrew words, for example:
[quote author=Exodus 12:5]Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:[/quote]The word translated without blemish is in Hebrew תּמים (tâmı̂ym) and is the technical word for bodily and physical perfection, and not moral, as we can see it being used here for an animal of sacrificial purity. Or do we say a lamb has moral perfection? How about a bull or rams?
[quote author=Exodus 29:1]And this is the thing that thou shalt do unto them to hallow them, to minister unto me in the priest's office: Take one young bullock, and two rams without blemish,[/quote]^^This word occurs 142 times in the Bible and a whooping 94 times; it is translated "without blemish."

Now it it is this same technical word for bodily and physical perfection that is translated in Genesis 6:9, as perfect in his generations. So this shows that Gen. 6:9 does not speak of Noah's moral perfection, but tells us that he and his family had preserved their pedigree and kept it pure, in spite of the prevailing corruption brought about by the fallen angels. Noahs blood line was pure (perfect), not defiled by the abomination to God: the unholy union of angels and men. That this was such a grievious thing is shown by the fact that God imprisoned the angels that did this.

Jude 1: 6. And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day

2 Pet 2: 4-5. For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly

What was the plan of these fallen angels? It was an attempt to block the incarnation of Christ. Remember the prophecy?

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Knowing that the Messiah would come through the woman as a pure (i.e 100% human) descendant of Adam; they attempted to corrupt the human gene pool (DNA) in an effort to prevent this.

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

This attempt surivives in the folk memory as legends and myths of demi-gods like Hercules, Perseus, and Gilgamesh who are described as the offspring of "heavenly beings" and earthborn women.

Generations later, knowing that God was bringing Israel to Canaan as part of his plan of redemption; Satan again seeded the land of Canaan with nephilim, in an attempt to prevent them entering. If you read the encounter between David and Goliath; you will see that it wasn't just a physical battle but an intense supernatural conflict.

The corrupting influence of these fallen angels and their offspring filled the earth with violence and wickedness. For an example of how a completely satanic culture looks like (similar to the Amorite culture of Canaan); please research the Aztec civilization:

Human sacrifice
Archaeologists have discovered many cuneiform cylinder seals of the Assyrian and Babylonish period depicting human sacrifice—although the exact interpretation may be debated. Some also involve cuneiform legal documents containing penalty formulas: ‘, he will burn his oldest son to Sin, , he will burn his oldest daughter to Belit-Seri’ (C. H. W. Johns, Assyrian Deeds and Documents, Cambridge, 1898). ‘… his oldest son he will burn in the sanctuary of the god, Adad’ (Textes Cuneiformes, Vol. IX: Contrats et Letters, edited by G. Contenau, Paris, 1926). ‘… his oldest daughter with ten imer of good spices he will burn to Belit-Seri’ (C. H. W. Johns, Assyrian Deeds and Documents , Cambridge, 1898). These are thought to date from the 7th century B.C, The legal penalty for the breaking of these contracts was the sacrifice of a firstborn child to one of the pantheon of gods. Through this means, the guilty person paid the penalty and was thought to have atoned for his offence.

One of the texts discovered at the site of the ancient Syrian city of Ugarit in 1978 describes the offering of a human sacrifice with the view to gaining divine favour. The text reads: ‘O Baal, drive away the force from our gates, the aggressor from our walls … A firstborn, Baal, we shall sacrifice—a child we shall fulfil.’ This corroborates the biblical account of King Mesha of Moab who is recorded as having sacrificed his firstborn child on the wall of his city at a time when the Israelites had his city under siege: ‘Then he took his eldest son who would have reigned in his place, and offered him as a burnt offering upon the wall’ (2 Kings 3, NKJ). On seeing this, the Israelites withdrew.

Aztec
The most common form of sacrifice was performed outside, on the top of a great pyramid. The victim was spread-eagled on a round stone, with his back arched. His limbs were held, while a priest used an obsidian knife to cut under the rib cage and remove his heart. This method was used when honoring the sun god, Huitzilopochtli. Each god apparently preferred a different form of sacrifice. For the fertility god Xipe Totec, the person was tied to a post and shot full of arrows. His blood flowing out represented the cool spring rains (Meyer & Sherman:69). The fire god required a newly wed couple. They were thrown into the god's altars and allowed to burn and at the last minute they were taken out and had their hearts removed as a second offering (Hogg :48). The earth mother goddess, Teteoinnan, was extremely important. At harvest time, a female victim was flayed and her skin was carried ceremoniously to one of the temples. Her skin was worn by an officiating priest who then symbolized the goddess herself

That this is what was going on in the antediluvian period is elucidated in Genesis 9:6; Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. Why was this command not explicitly given prior to the Flood despite Cain and Lamech?

Concerning Noah? Let's look at Genesis 6:9:

These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

Look at how Noah is described: in three ways.
1. A just man---The is a statement of Noah’s spiritual condition. “Noah was a just man.” It means God considered him to be righteous.,
2. He walked with God---This statement concerns his relationship with God. “Noah walked with God.” They were in fellowship,
The Bible describes other just men. It also describes other men who walked with God (e.g Enoch---more on him later), but perfect in his generations?
What does that mean? There is no word or expression in the Bible by accident. They are there for a reason. Why is Noah the only man described in the bible as perfect in his generations.
3. Perfect in his generations---The Hebrew word for generations here is different from the one in the first phrase "These are the generations of Noah". It literally means generations. The word translated perfect means “without blemish.” There was no defect in his genealogy.

There’s plenty in Genesis 6-7 to condemn mankind. After all the Nephilim couldn’t have taken over the world without man’s help, and the Lord did say that every inclination of their heart was evil. (Gen. 6:5).
But man has been in similar spiritual condition for all of his existence. Something extraordinary happened to cause the Lord to destroy nearly every man and animal in the flood, and that something was Satan’s contamination of the gene pool. According to God’s Word the Messiah had to be a man. He couldn’t be an angel or any kind of a hybrid. Noah carried the uncontaminated human gene across the flood and made it possible for Jesus to be born.

Though not considered part of canon, more light is shed on this events in the Book of Enoch quoted in the book of Jude;
[quote author=Jude 1:14-15]And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.[/quote]^The highlighted part is a quote from the book.

frosbel: This is what happens when people refuse to read their bibles.

How biologically possible is it for Angels to mate with humans , 2 totally different species , and give birth to giants ??

Sons of God simply means children of God , most likely from Seth as opposed to the polluted seed of Cain.

Do what the bereans did , read your bible - thank you

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Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
(Job 1:6)

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
(Job 38:7)

He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
(Dan 3:25)

Most definitely not the children of Seth. And in what way was the seed of Cain polluted? Polluted by Cain's sins or what? How is that different from the pollution of all the sons of Adam as a result of Adam's disobedience.

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On September 30th 2010 on this thread:


. . .Concerning the possibility of reproduction between fallen angels and human beings. Genesis 6 leaves no doubt about what it describes as having occurred.

[quote author=Genesis 6:1-2, 4]And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.[/quote]There is a school of thought that says "sons of God" refers to the descendants of Adam through Seth whilw daughters of men refers to women descended through Cain; but the Bible doesn't bear that out.
In the OT prior to the Advent of Christ, the peculiar construction "sons of God" refers to angelic beings. For examples see:

[quote author=Job 1: 6]Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them[/quote][quote author=Job 38:4-7]Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?[/quote][quote author=Daniel 3:25]He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.[/quote]In Daniel, we see that the phrase refers to angels for reading further down we see:

[quote author=Daniel 3:28]Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.[/quote]^^Now contrast "sons of God" with "son of man":

[quote author=Num 23:19]God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?[/quote][quote author=Isa 51:12]I, even I, am he that comforteth you: who art thou, that thou shouldest be afraid of a man that shall die, and of the son of man which shall be made as grass;[/quote]If you do a concordance search for the phrase "son of man" in the OT; you will find that it every time refers specifically to the earthborn (descendants of Adam) in contrast to angelic beings who are "sons of God". A distinction most clearly brought to the fore in:
[quote author=Ezek 2:1]And he said unto me, Son of man, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee.[/quote]Here the heavenly being refers to Ezekiel, by that name.
In the NT the good news of Jesus is that by his Blood we are now adopted into Christ and are now by His finished Work sons of God.

The Bible does not provide details about the mechanics of reproduction between angelic beings and earthly women just merely states that it happened. And this incident is again referenced in the NT in conjuction with the Flood:

[quote author=2 Pet 2:4,5]For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly[/quote][quote author=Jude 1:6-7]And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.[/quote]That the offspring of this unnatural union were no mere or ordinary men is shown by the fact that they are called giants (nephilim). That word "nephilim" comes from the root word nâphal---to fall, be accepted, cast (down, self, [lots], out), cease, die, divide (by lot), (let) fail, (cause to, let, make, ready to) fall (away, down, -en, -ing), fell (-ing) etc

There are those who say the nephilim were men of normal stature who were "giants" by means of their deeds, but please note the phrase: and also after that occurs in Genesis 6. So the question is after when? Turning to the pages of the Bible yields the answers.
When the children of Israel were about to enter Canaan and even afterwards.

[quote author=Num 13:33]And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.[/quote]^^Of course, everyone remembers Goliath; but seemingly forget that there were other giants present as well. Examples:
[quote author=Deu 3:11]For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man[/quote]In modern terms, thirteen feet long and six feet wide.

[quote author=~Bluetooth]Our nl resident doctor,hope you've got your job back ? [/quote]I never lost my job. You are mistaken thinking I work for the Lagos state government. I 'm in the private sector in Abuja.
I will never work for any state government in Nigeria.

Very silly thread which highlights the politicization of this tragedy by evil-minded ghouls.

Pataki: Why would a plane be granted emergency clearance, if the airspace was not previously shut down to other domestic and probably international flights?

Asking this exposes you as a full grade i[b]di[/b]ot. Why don't you acquaint yourself with procedures for planes in distress? F[i]oo[/i]l!

Gbawe: Usually, some pedestrian bridges are totally enclosed for safety reasons especially when they link malls and or buildings. If the design decision is that an enclosed footbridge works best, then it must be cooled also. I am not saying I support this but we should not condemn it routinely either without knowledge of the entire scope of the project.

Enclosed airconditioned footbridges , such as that seen below, are common and can be a design/architechural neccessity in relation to what will be linked. We just don't know enough to be entirely negative.

And the award for obdurate obfuscating hypocrisy goes to. . .Gbawe of NL. This post is another typical example of the crap you post.

Gbawe: And the utterances of a crybaby loser like you makes any difference to "real politics"? You are the worst kind. An oversensitive wimp indoctrinated from the womb and cursed to go around looking for "enemies" and those who "hate" you and yours. You are totally useless in any mature discussion as you will soon be writhing around on the floor in a childish tantrum like a toddler. It is even a Lady here (sisikill) , no doubt fed up with your wimpish antics, subtly asking you to man up and stop being such an over-sensitive cissy.

Gbawe the broken record and stunted man. Quite a limited imagination you 've got. You can do better - you pusillanimous and puerile hypocrite. I can see you are still in tears, little child. Help yourself with a handkerchief and maybe a sweet. Definitely you need comforting. It is certain that nothing I write on NL makes any difference to Nigerian politics. . .a fact I am very much aware of unlike you who has an over-bloated sense of self and is entrapped in his fantasy that his NL crap makes any difference in the real world.

No doubt, you are overcompensating for something. Your regular displays of cognitive dissonance are amusing to me and your projection of your obviously insecure and paranoid mental state unto others is well noted. As an example the portion highlighted in red above is amply demonstrated by yourself, by your own words - bumbling and clannish ethnic bigot that you are:

Gbawe: Tomorrow they will blame "Yarobus" as usual.

Certainly your statement "Tomorrow they will blame "Yarobus" as usual" demonstrates to all that Gbawe is "an oversensitive wimp indoctrinated from the womb and cursed to go around looking for "enemies" and those who "hate" you and yours."

Silly, silly man. Face your personal demons and stop overcompensating.

Gbawe: While that is true, you should take the advise you often dish out to others when you implore them to stick to the topic. Why should a topic concerning oil thieves in the ND , deleteriously using ill-gotten gains to determine the political leaders of the region , and perhaps Nigeria at large, include a criticism of Tinubu? Why for god sake?

These folks (Lateef4me, Alethia et al) are just, as usual, submitting their usual distractive thread-derailing antics they assume helps GEJ's case. Show consistency and ask them to focus on the thread topic as you do elsewhere. Criticising Tinubu and others may be appropriate elsewhere but it has nothing to do with the topic under discussion here.

You still dey mention my name? E be like say I do you something.
Your tendentious pompous rubbish continues. The crap you write on NL makes no difference to real politics.

Gbawe: Shut up and get lost.

^Whining like the baby you are. This all you have been saying on this thread. What happened to your usual bloated hot air filled epistles. Reduced you to apoplectic rage, have I? Well I hope you don't burst a vein. Now respond to the points raised by others above. Or leave the kitchen.

Gbawe: I have no respect for wimps and crybabies.

^But that is exactly what you are - a wimp and crybaby. . .I have called your motives into question. Deal with it and stop whinging and wringing your hands all over this thread.

Gbawe: You are a liar to boot. When I said GEJ may be overthrown by the military was it not because he categorically stated that "there is no going back on complete subsidy removal"?

^Story, story. You are the biggest liar and they say liars must havei good memories. Now you waffle and wriggle like the slimy cockroach you are - caught in the glare of light. Here is the rubbish you wrote on January 2:

Gbawe: Unfortunately ,  very naive. They don't need to harm GEJ (and I sincerely hope they don't) to take power off him. When the clear identification is made of the 'bogeyman', then everyone is united in forgetting certain things all in aid of removing this 'ogre'. Even recent history showed us how Libyans, Western Nation and the world at large got behind racist rebels controlled by men who have spent their lives in the military like Ghaddafi. No one asked any questions because all agreed Ghaddafi had to go. When all are in agreement, because of suffering everyone can feel with zero "palliatives" in sight, that GEJ has to go, it will be obvious what people power can achieve if harnessed properly.

No one, after circa three months of suffering, for example will hate those who depose GEJ and immediately reinstate subsidy of N240 billion (the original approved NASS figure) limited to the original major marketers while the fraudulent "independent" marketers who swelled subsidy to N1.4 trillions are paraded in public with a clear establishment of how they actually scammed Nigeria, through round tripping, over-invoicing, redirecting locally refined oil back to Nigeria as "imported" fuel. All this done in collaboration with the NNPC  controlled by the Petroleum Minister and the Government of the day. There is far too much slackness , the sort to justify all kinds of "desperate actions for desperate times", going on under GEJ. There will be grave reperrcussions.

Readers can judge for themselves how you have shifted ground. In your state of fantasy, you likened GEJ to Ghaddafi. Really?

Gbawe: Following other posters around mumbling the same tedious crap like a nagging hag just makes you pathetic especially when the entire nation knows our thoroughly corrupt and opportunistic President deserves every criticism he gets. GEJ is useless.

^Who is following who around? How many of your stupid threads have I posted on? Not even on that shameful thread where you were exposed as a lying propagandist. Like I said you take your crap more serious than you ought to.

Gbawe: PS. This is not about "leaving the gist of the thread". It is about dealing with a crybaby , once and for all, who is now doing this too regularly. I.e following others around to talk the same tedious clannish crap. Time you were cut to size because ignoring your rant was obviously encouraging you. Below is why I view you as a despicable wimp, liar, coward and clannish id.i.ot. Look at your ungracious and undoubtedly clannish first response to this thread , which is clearly a personal attack, yet it is others who have "left the gist"? What do you think you are doing suggesting Nigerian citizens are "bitter" because a man became President when all everyone wants is for[b] any[/b] President to lead well? You think myself and most Nigerians care where GEJ is from to then somehow be "bitter" he became President?

This is why I say the indoctrination, for your kind, is from your home. You rather go around disenfranchising others telling them they are "bitter" while failing to acknowledge their rights to be very angry at their own President taking their nation backward very quickly. you then have the nerve to pretend you are the aggrieved individual. What a loser. NL biggest crybaby and wimp.

^ Keep going round in circles, snapping at your own tail like the mange-infested cur you are.

aletheia: Gbawe. . .seriously, you are losing it. Persecution complex? On an anonymous online forum? Really? Like I said, you take yourself entirely too serious. I assure you, no-one on this forum takes you as serious as you think they do. It begins and ends on NL. It seems you are about to burst into tears. What a crybaby you are. You can't take the heat? Get out of the kitchen then.

You have left the gist of the thread to embark on a self-justifying peregrination of how you criticized Yar'Adua etc. [size=14pt]What an exhibition of your innate insecurity and your need for approbation. Blah, blah blah. Pompous piffle. Who is denying you your right keep on blowing insipid hot air. Just as it is your right to keep talking through your hat like all of your posts above, so it it my right to point out to you and others your silliness.[/size] By your "clannish" taunts, you assume I am from the same region or tribe as the president. How laughable. I am closer to you than you realize in terms of ethnicity. . .but because of the stupidity of tribal-based politics as exemplified by your sort, I chose not to identify myself in ethnic terms.

Now please address the relevant points raised above. How is NNPC separate from the oil theft it alleges. Or are you so gullible that you think the "relatively" small potatoes oil-bunkering that takes place in the ND is not dwarfed by the massive corruption in NNPC? The corruption of oil blocs etc - an example of which is being reported in papers over the past few days. If you must insinuate involvement of GEJ and Allison in oil-industry corruption, is it the small potatoes of oil-bunkering you think they will be involved in? But off course you are a gullible, small-minded petty man with an axe to grind and so you couldn't stop to process the article. You are like a woman scorned in terms of your reaction to matters pertaining to GEJ. I can almost guarantee that all it takes to push your buttons is to mention GEJ; as clearly demonstrated on this thread.

Again I maintain your agenda is clear and transparent. It is May 2012, five months on. . .we are still waiting for the coup d'etat you assured us in January was going to take place within 3 months. Your co-conspirators did not receive the memo?

I find this an amusing thread. . .Gbawe reduced to bumbling apoplectic rage. No doubt, sniffling and wiping away tears as he types his new catchphrases - 'wimp', 'crybaby', 'clannish', &c. Come on, I am sure you can roll out better insults than that. You can follow my lead, for example, I have likened you to a slimy cockroach and a mange-infested cur.

Gbawe: Like I told you before, get lost. You are the clannish dolt not me. Besides, what sort of weakling are you if , by your own admission, all you do here is shadow what others write to show that they talk "rubbish"? If my post are "gibberish" to you, why are you obsessed with proving anything to me? Do you see me doing same to you or any other nairalander?

You and many others here are nothing but wimps and crybabies. I criticised Yar Adua far more severely than I do GEJ. Check the archives and you will see this. I did not see many Nairalanders from the North telling me I hate GEJ. Now, i.di.ots like you never stop saying it because of the indoctrination you recieved from your homes that makes you walk around looking for those who "hate" you.

GEJ assured Nigerians he could deal with the problems of the Nation. If he cannot, and is actually compounding our woes, then Nigerians will criticise him as they did Yar Adua, OBJ and all other presidents. If you cannot accept that, then that is your own problem. Stop being such a weakling. Go and learn how to man up and ditch the persecution complex.

Gbawe. . .seriously, you are losing it. Persecution complex? On an anonymous online forum? Really? Like I said, you take yourself entirely too serious. I assure you, no-one on this forum takes you as serious as you think they do. It begins and ends on NL. It seems you are about to burst into tears. What a crybaby you are. You can't take the heat? Get out of the kitchen then.

You have left the gist of the thread to embark on a self-justifying peregrination of how you criticized Yar'Adua etc. What an exhibition of your innate insecurity and your need for approbation. Blah, blah blah. Pompous piffle. Who is denying you your right keep on blowing insipid hot air. Just as it is your right to keep talking through your hat like all of your posts above, so it it my right to point out to you and others your silliness. By your "clannish" taunts, you assume I am from the same region or tribe as the president. How laughable. I am closer to you than you realize in terms of ethnicity. . .but because of the stupidity of tribal-based politics as exemplified by your sort, I chose not to identify myself in ethnic terms.

Now please address the relevant points raised above. How is NNPC separate from the oil theft it alleges. Or are you so gullible that you think the "relatively" small potatoes oil-bunkering that takes place in the ND is not dwarfed by the massive corruption in NNPC? The corruption of oil blocs etc - an example of which is being reported in papers over the past few days. If you must insinuate involvement of GEJ and Allison in oil-industry corruption, is it the small potatoes of oil-bunkering you think they will be involved in? But off course you are a gullible, small-minded petty man with an axe to grind and so you couldn't stop to process the article. You are like a woman scorned in terms of your reaction to matters pertaining to GEJ. I can almost guarantee that all it takes to push your buttons is to mention GEJ; as clearly demonstrated on this thread.

Again I maintain your agenda is clear and transparent. It is May 2012, five months on. . .we are still waiting for the coup d'etat you assured us in January was going to take place within 3 months. Your co-conspirators did not receive the memo?

Gbawe: Get lost. I have tried long enough to be patient with id.iots like you. If we criticise constantly GEJ, so what ? Is it unwarranted or is anyone lying against him? Were you on Mars when GEJ was shouting "MEND did not do this"? Man mi, fashi my post from now on. I don't have time for kids like you. If all you wish to say is that I hate GEJ, abeg tell it elsewhere and stop following me around to do that.

This is a man destroying the nation with his obvious patronage/empowerment of corruption and all you are concerned with is whining like a baby that Nigerians are "obsessed" with a President ruining their Nation or criticising him too much. You need to get your head examined buddy. I see nothing but clannishness in your talk. As long as GEJ continues to misrule Nigeria, I will talk as entitled by virtue of being Nigerian. If you are not happy, please jump in a Lake. Arrow.

The bad belle you carry around will not let you see that I never claimed GEJ is the cause of the problem. We know the problems "predate" him. What many are angry about is that the man is simply worsening issues and compounding the problem. The man is simply piling corruption on top of corruption and stacking more misrule over what he met on ground. That is the truth for those not blind with partisanship like you. There are a million example that exposes GEJ and his looting team of "transformers".

I had nothing but similarly scathing criticism for Yar Adua and OBJ too. I guess I "hate" them also. Clannish I.d.iot.

https://www.nairaland.com/286778/tom-polos-listof-name-exposed

An interesting reaction. So how many times did you call me an [b]i[/b]diot in this post of yours. Did I insult you in any way? Is the rubbish you wrote above "criticism"? You have an agenda which you try to pass off as objective criticism. . .but we will not be fooled by you hypocrite. You are a name-dropping beleaguered foo[i]l[/i]. Who said anything about your criticizing OBJ and Yar'Adua? Does that burnish your credentials with me?

Let us examine how this thread has evolved.
First you post an article in which the NNPC alleges that crude oil thieves have taken over government at the local government levels in the ND and are positioning themselves to influence the elections into the posts of governors, a development which if not tackled will possibly lead to their having influence on a future presidential choice.

They have amassed so much wealth that they are beginning to look for political power. They have been sponsoring local government chairmen. The chairmen have also been sponsoring governors. And these people, if not checked in time, will one day produce the president of Nigeria.”

So the article talks about future projections.
Two questions/comments from Kobojunkie and bayooooooo followed:

Kobojunkie: Are we really taking what NNPC has to say on this seriously? Are we that desperate to claim a side in this?

Is this not the same NNPC that has been fingered to have been at the core of the decay that led to the bilking of millions over the years out of the Nigerian people? What alarm is this same org raising when it is responsible for the position we find ourselves today, in this?

bayooooooo: who are the oil thieves if not NNPC officials themselves? Can one trade in such commodity without some sort of collaboration with industry experts and security personnel?

Their contributions bring quite clearly to the fore that NNPC can not be distanced in any way from the theft that goes on in the industry. . . and your tepid response is this:

Gbawe: The NNPC does not operate as a strong and independent Institution. It has essentially been bastrardized to be a tool in the hands of the President of the day. With the MEND President GEJ and Allison-Madueke effectively controlling the sector you have your answer to the bolded above. It is very obvious there is a systematic plan in place.

So you insinuate that the oil theft is possible because of GEJ and Allison effectively controlling the sector. . .obviously ignoring the oil theft that has been going on even before the advent of these two. You reference to GEJ as "the MEND President" quite clearly reveals your mindset. Mr I-also-criticized-OBJ, where were you when MV Africa Pride (a whole ship for crying out loud) disappeared from under the noses of the Navy during OBJ's time as oil minister.

As it is I ignore most of your posts anyway - they are worthless drivel and garbage propaganda from one who takes himself entirely too serious. But from time to time I will intervene to show what egregiously untrue rubbish it is that you post. . .clannish dolt. Get ready for many more years of heartache because of GEJ.

Gbawe: The NNPC does not operate as a strong and independent Institution. It has essentially been bastrardized to be a tool in the hands of the President of the day. With the MEND President GEJ and Allison-Madueke effectively controlling the sector you have your answer to the bolded above. It is very obvious there is a systematic plan in place.

So predictable. It took you all of two posts to mention GEJ. Obviously, the fact of his being president makes you very bitter and nonobjective. Will you commit suicide when he wins a second term in office?
Kobojunkie's post makes salient points which you have chosen to ignore because of your obsession with GEJ whom you disrespectfully refer to as "the MEND President". Shame on you! NNPC is at the heart of the corruption in the Oil Industry. And it predates this administration.

allycat: Some Indians have set up a hospital in Abuja go there.

Wouldn't advise my closest relations to go there. Those guys are mismanaging Nigerians and ripping them off. After giving the Indians their money, they still end up coming back to Nigerian-run hospitals where we salvage their mess.

See an example here

Gbawe: If there is genuinely no zoning, why the noise GEJ must have 8 years?

If you can bear to think about it without getting your knickers into a twist (because GEJ's involved). . .you will realize that as the incumbent president, GEJ is entitled to have 8 years, (if he can win a second term). Simple, He doesn't need any "pro-zoning" arguments.

Gbawe: I think Atiku and co are simply saying that it is fitting GEJ should now ironically suffer from what he helped to kill. Atiku is being clever by half since the PDP always insisted that zoning is the equitable way to ensure others, aside the major ethnic groups, attain the Presidency. As it is, they are indirectly saying that no one should talk of "our turn" in 2015. Fight for it if you want it. that is the new and illogical. name of the game.

Your highlighted statement above is unclear and lacking a logical structure. Atiku's spokesman does not imply what you think. First of all, what did GEJ help to kill? Answer: zoning. So how is GEJ now "ironically suffering" from "zoning"? Has the 2015 presidency been "zoned" by PDP to any part of the country? The initial post is non-news.

At OP: you are evil, pure evil.

[quote author=Rhino.5dm]very soon the PDP will link this arrest to the poor state governor. I'm now fully convince that there is a grand plot to bring down south west by all means.

Yeah, why osun state? Last time they cooked up a story that the governor travelled to north africa to bring in trained terrorist in his plan to Islamize Osun state. . .and now a sect leader from Osun is arrested.

www.vanguardngr.com/2012/05/jtf-arrests-suspected-sect-leader-wife-in-kano/

^
Read more here. . .SMH![/quote]Stop being paranoid. Wasn't the first Abu Qaqa from Kogi state? Una dey carry una pro-ACN mindset to extremes. It's blinding you to issues. Boko Haram probably has foot soldiers from other parts of the country than the far North.

logicboy: To an extent, it does validate atheism given the tactics christians use. They use the fallacy that they are right because they are the most popular religion in the world with nearly a 3rd of the world being christian.

Really. Such illogical reasoning. You consistently fail to live up to your handle. Your fallacy is validated by the Christian's own fallacy?

logicboy: Even here on Nairaland the taunt atheists that we would not be able to be outspoken in Nigeria as we are here on Nairaland.

That must be so galling to you. Christians will not kill you for being an atheist; sure they will shun you and likely insult you. Some will seek to convince you - so your lack of outspokenness must be as a result of innate cowardice.

logicboy: The next step is to my country more atheist. Spread it like a virus. If 1 person can be converted by me in to an atheist, he or she can convert 2 more, 2 more can convert 4 more and so one. Read about memetics.

More intelligent men than you have tried and failed. Memetics - a pseudo-scientific dogma. That's the new word you just learned, and like a 2-year old with a new toy, you couldn't wait to use it. In what way is atheism a meme that will take root in your country.

There is a quote from Shakespeare that appropriate describes your illogical and tangential rantings: ". . .a tale. Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing."

Your words are empty piffle, meaningless hot air, ultimately of no importance or consequence whatsoever.

That is all I will say to you on this thread.

[quote author=ekt_bear]Power drunk

You usually are a fairly rational man.

What would you do in the same situation, then?[/quote]A rational man would not sack nearly the entire workforce of doctors in his state. An irrational misguided and ill-advised one would.

Remember this quote: A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.

So where are the newly employed doctors? At least one would expect to see some of them in LASUTH if not in any other of the state-run hospitals.

As doctors’ strike in Lagos State continues, MAUREEN AZUH captures the state of activities at the Lagos University Teaching Hospital, Ikeja

As doctors in the employment of Lagos State Government continue their strike, which is in its third week, the state owned teaching hospital has remained nearly deserted. All the activities the hospital, popularly called LASUTH, is known for were lacking when our correspondent surveyed the premises. From the traffic that used to welcome visitors into the hospital, to the usually crowded lobbies at each of the wards, especially the ever busy Emergency Ward, the entire place was virtually deserted.

Most of the officials around refused to speak about the strike, perhaps for fear of being sacked like the 788 doctors currently at loggerheads with the state government. Others who managed to speak only spoke on the condition of anonymity.

At the children’s ward, a security official said there were no patients in the wards. According to him, most of them only come in the morning to see if the strike has been called off. They hang around for a while and leave for their homes.

A woman met at the lobby, who gave her name as Grace Wakama, told our correspondent that she was not aware of the strike. She said she had wanted to see a doctor but was told there was none on duty.

The Surgical Outpatient Ward was as empty as the children’s ward with a few nurses strolling around the empty corridors. The Diabetes Clinic, which was hitherto popular for the number of elderly patients who visit there, had only three nurses who were busy exchanging pleasantries.

One of them – who spoke in hushed tone – said there were no patients for them to treat, although she expressed the hope the issues would be settled early enough for normalcy to return.

She said, “There is no basis for any kind of reaction from us. Let the government heed the doctors’ demand so they can in turn answer us too. You can see the way things are now. Though I work in the clinic, I know most of the patients in the wards are not there anymore.”

Asked why the patients left, she retorted, “If you were a patient, would you stay back and pay for bed space when you are not being attended to by any doctor?”

The Director, Clinical Services and Training, Dr. Olabode Ogunbanjo, who asked our correspondent to get clearance from the Ministry of Health, Alausa, before he could grant an interview, however, said there were a few doctors on duty.

“We have fewer patients than usual. Some of them left when the strike started but those that are left are being attended to by the few available doctors,” he said.

When our correspondent visited the male surgical wards, a female member of the staff, who was off duty at the time but came to immunise her baby, said the nurses were trying to cope as much as possible without the doctors. Although like the others, she refused to give her name, she gave a fuller illustration of activities at the hospital.

She said, “When the strike began, all the patients that were critically ill were discharged. Others were asked to go to private hospitals. But there are some others that the nurses treat. Like those who have fractures, for instance, and had been attended to by the doctors before the strike began, some of them are still around. We know the drugs that have been prescribed for them. So, we just dress them up and administer the drugs. And when we run out of supply, we ask them to buy more. So far there has been no emergency case. Everyone knows there is strike; so, no one will bring an emergency case here until the strike is over.”

While the situation, at the Critical Care Unit and the Cardiac Neurosurgical Wards were the same, a nursing officer in front of the Medical Emergency unit of the hospital lamented the nurses plight saying it had been quite challenging.

She said, “Health is a team work. Like every part of the body that has a function, when one is missing it will tell on the others. We have been trying to cope on our own, but it is not the same. Just like if we the nurses decide to go on strike, the doctors will feel our absence. Now we don’t even have patients to attend to. There are only two patients in the whole of this ward. One is a member of our staff that we are treating for a slight illness and the other was brought in here this afternoon by LASAMBUS. We are trying to treat him on our own,” she said.

Most of the people around the premises are security officials, cleaners, medical representatives and some of the striking doctors who are said to come in from time to time but do not engage in any official activity.

Interestingly, despite the strike and the tense atmosphere, the hospital kitchen is still running. Our correspondent saw the kitchen staff bringing in groceries while others pushed trolleys about the corridor.

Meanwhile, the state government has, in a statement signed by the Head of Service, Mr. Adesegun Ogunlewe, on Monday announced that the striking doctors had been sacked following their refusal to answer queries to explain why they were absent from work without leave and without the due observance of the rules and regulations guiding strikes and industrial actions in the state’s public service.

About 316 of the doctors are from the Lagos State University Teaching Hospital while the remaining 472 came from other hospitals in the State. The doctors began the strike on April 24, after a three-day warning strike from April 11-13.
https://edge.punchng.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/LASUTH-360x216.jpg

Source

Lagosians are not deceived by LASG's propaganda, but some of you on the internet forums like NL are taken in.

Gbawe: Look closely and you will see that GEJ is fast morphing into OBJ/Anenih/IBB et al combined with his machinations. Everything OBJ did (rout Peter Obi undemocratically for his "son" Andy Ubah) GEJ is matching (Sylva ousted for Dickson). GEJ is only ever keen to learn and implement the retrogressive style of the 'old brigade'. It has been like that with him from day one when he ignored the many who marched for him to embrace the Danjumas and Anenihs of the world after being sworn in as substantive President. He is now also a dangerous and callous man like OBJ.

^Really? "GEJ is fast morphing into OBJ/Anenih/IBB"? But I thought in January you said these "owners" of Nigeria were going to "remove" the president within 3 months. Now according to you, GEJ is now "morphing" into these "owners". How you clutch at straws. Your thought process is so transparent.

You posted the article from a dubious source without comment, seeking to paint a picture of a president whose allies are abandoning him. The first few comments showed that by and large posters were not fooled by the article describing it in clear terms as "crap", "junk" and "news tailor-made for the gullible, and delusional."

Stop trying to be clever by half: you were asked pointblank

ilugunboy: Classic junk... . Gbawe, do you believe this article for real?

To which you replied:

Gbawe: No, not really. Comical actually and as Haka Nai said, it is most likely the work of an active imagination. Nonetheless still worth putting out there because of the OBJ factor

O-really, so what was the point of posting an untrue article, a lie (or has it become a habit for you to seek to manipulate our perceptions by posting untrue articles?)...just because OBJ is mentioned?
Why didn't you make clear from the outset that you considered the article untrue. I believe you only adjusted your position when you saw that NL were not as gullible and excited as you initially were on seeing the article.

I used to respect your views but these days your unobjective rants are quite disgusting. You have fallen and mired yourself in the mud.

Gbawe: The middle ground would be for a coalition to throw up a decent and detribalised President who will be fair to all Nigerians and will not , attested to by his history, be a 'pal' or beneficiary of the AGIPs and most ruinous hands in the land.

Very funny. Not. Where will such a "decent and detribalised President" come from? From the tribal identity conscious ACN or APGA? From the dangerously religiously motivated CPC? From the politicians in ACN, APGA, CPC who all one way or the other are clones and associates of the ruling PDP?

Nigeria is for the present a de-facto one-party state when it comes to the Presidency. Learn to live with it.

[quote author=ekt_bear]@aletheia: It appears that Lagos State has won this battle against the doctors

They've already replaced half of their fired staff. No doubt they'll be able to fill in the remaining vacancies over time.[/quote]^
Very soon, you will discover the limits of propaganda. You are too quick to believe these politicians.

Meanwhile, confusion and lull took over at the General Hospital, Badagry, on Tuesday following the sacking of the 788 striking doctors by the Lagos State government.

A News Agency of Nigeria (NAN) correspondent in Badagry reported that the doctors were unavailable at the hospital to be served their letters.

Only nurses and health officials were seen at their duty posts providing skeletal services to some patients.

Source

So ekt_bear, can the commissioner tell you where the "newly employed" doctors are?

By Friday, after the completion of the ongoing professional exams at LUTH; you will see a severe escalation of the strike as ALL hospitals both Federal and State owned in Lagos become paralysed by NMA. A lot of you keep talking about the Hippocratic oath and fail to pay attention to these lines therein:
MY COLLEAGUES will be my sisters and brothers.

As I 've previously said, it will be interesting to see how you guys spin this when Fashola climbs down.

Meanwhile the hypocrisy is nauseating and stinks to high heavens: if a non-ACN governor "sacks" over 700 doctors we know what you guys would have said.