₦airaland Forum

spyder880:
A lot of people had looked at this front view plan and thought that there is a sort of door on the outside of this entrance, but the glass you see inside is actually the window of the waiting room inside, not a door. The plan is for the opening to be an entrance, not a door.

Oga Spyder880.

Just out of curiosity, why did your client settle for this building height for a bungalow?

I am not saying it is wrong, I love high ceilings myself but was just curious to see from your clients perspective.

Are they a family of giants? Or they have other reasons in mind?

I am Not critiquing their position in anyway, just want to see things from their point of view because a building like this is very unusual in our Nigeria society.

No be 9ja again...

People wey get long legs go still work am and get the job

I pray this is a sincere move and not a political stunt..

What is Wike doing about the kidnappers in Rivers state? Fake job interviews, human parts sellers?

One4me:
When you pay for Paint, you are also paying for the Bucket that contains the Paint.
Both go together.
I have never seen a Painter who says to his Client: You are only paying for the Paint, not the Bucket! If he said that dueing Contract Negotiation and Pricing, then it will be clear and exceptioned.

Any Material l pay for, belongs to me, it does not matter through whom it came or was supplied.
Painter will go back the way he came to my Site, with his Brush (if l did not pay for Brush too).
Trying to separate whether it was a 'supply and service' job or a Service only job, is not an issue here.
Let us even assume it was a Supply and Service, the Client PAID for both (Material and Service) so whatever is LEFT OVER from that Contract, belongs to the Client.

My Opinion.

Thanks!

africaflozy:
Answers to question 1 is yes.
2. What I meant is that, is it safe to keep materials like tiles, wc and the likes in the house after fixing windows and exit doors.
Thanks sir.

Ok.

2). It depends on the location of your site.

africaflozy:
Hello professionals in the house. I'm here to seek the advice of the professionals here concerning my family's new house project.

It's a four bedroom pent house.

Here are my questions;
1) what are the step by step stages of building the house from scratch to finishing?
2) is it adviceable to keep materials such as tiles, wc etc after fixing window and exit doors.
3) concrete or iron water tank, which is the best for a small family?
4) do we need to plaster the inside of the building before fixing pop and windows?
5) we are thinking of using roofing sheets to do the parapet instead of concrete. I hope that is a good idea.

Thanks in advance

Clears throat, let me get my 'Engineer' hat on

As a nairaland trained Engineer, below are my submissions.

1. Have you purchased the land yet? Let's assume you have. Because you need a land to build on.

1a) building plan: what are your plans/purpose for this house, commercial or private? Are you thinking of a duplex or a bungalow? Also funding, do you have money for this project sitting around somewhere or do you plan to gradually gradually generate the fund for this build?

Answers to this questions will guide you towards your approach and your priorities in the project.

2). I understand the question as should you fix doors and windows first before tiles and WC? To this my answer is yes. If you have the fund , you could do all at once but the pocket is on the tight side, I will secure the building first before any other thing.

3). Again, recall my submission on 1). If this is bungalow, I would say concrete because the laws of physics will work with you and water pressure will not be adversely affected.

4) plastering before POP, not necessarily but due to lack of professionalism by our artisans , they might make a mess of this so I will say yes. Plaster before POP.
Plaster before windows - not really, windows could go in before plastering.

5). Nothing wrong with that, If funds are on the tight side, that's a safe option. Oga Spyder880 have done multiple of projects like this. I would imagine his clients were bouncing off the ceiling with happiness.

Good luck!

Cheers!!

Muyi002:
Building is already secured

Congrats on your new build.

Don't forget to invite us for house warming party.

OlayemiAshraf:
Ohhhh wtf ... Chameleon dey Learn from this one o

EgunMogaji2:
We of the naija contingent know that the streets are hot

Everyone eyes dey red..

My chairman on what's app group is threatening fire and brimstone.. he wants his empty bucket

michlins:
when he hired the people that did the plastering,he supplied cement and everything used for the job and the workers came with their tools and strength. Moreover the prices of cement bag isn't significant.

You see those buckets, each can go as high as #200 and multiply by the numbers. This is real streets and not Nairaland where #20,000 is a paltry sum for some

The plastering guys supplied the cement.

He paid material plus workmanship to the guys.

EgunMogaji2:
I concur.

I am on the fence on this one.

One of the points the client raised was, when he hired the guys that did the plastering, they gave him all the used bags of cement, so he is supposed to keep the empty buckets of paint.

This is one of the reasons I advise both contractors and client to iron things out, make sure they are on the same page and agree on terms before the job starts.

Interestingly, lots of people are for the clients tho. (But again most people on the group live outside Nigeria - not sure if it affected how they looked at the issue).

michlins:
it's simple, the painter owns the buckets since he made the supplies. Client should forget about it

Thanks for your submission.. really appreciated!

EgunMogaji2:
Did he supply the paint as part of a total job or I supplied paint and just paid him labor?

If I supplied paint then bucket is mine.

Well, according to the client.. the painter submitted a list of what was needed for the job, say, 100 buckets of emulsion, 50 buckets of ...... for a total of xx buckets of paint.

So the client paid for the service, for the painter to both supply and hire painters to paint.

Just like @ michilins pointed out, the painter perhaps factored in the cost of the paint bucket when submitting his quote - who knows, but the client in my what's app group did say he factored in the cost he would resell the bucket prior to hiring the painter.

Please help me investigate this case... someone on what's app group is having issues with the painter he hired.

One of the issues at hand was that the painter was collecting the empty paint bucket used and he wants the empty buckets.. the painter said that's not how it is done.

This got me confused, I have done some projects in the past but didn't really get into details like that, like what happens to empty bag of cement, used bamboo , paint buckets etc. ( you need to leave room for family members to chop )

Who is right here? Does the client take possession of all the empty paint buckets or do painters keep them?

Cc: Gbadexy

paulolee:
dropping him was totally unfair because he was jus accused n inst proven guilty yet bt nike knows best bcoz they are a big brand and such dnt like bad publicity..
neyma should be more careful with his doinz involving women, still dnt know why this Brazilians cant ball on a low without controversies..

I read he failed to cooperate with the investigation. Nike hired an outside lawfirm to assist in the investigation but Neymar will not cooperate.

9jiria jaga jaga

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Don't go

Everyone is tired of Nigeria even the moon

The moon was just ashamed to show face in Nigeria


Please don't quote me, I am not feeling fine..

9ja for life

Boy, people eat everything this days

I tire oo

SportsHD:
I hope innocent people were not arrested also.
The guy with the blue cap.

I had thought the guy was smiling. I had to zoom the picture to see the actual facial expression.

Ogbeni on the second row right.. seems to be living for this moment tho?

Patrioticbreed9:
she just got infected by the hiv isnt that advance yet.

she got hiv last month and we broke up 2012 so how am sopose to panic

Not commenting on her personal lifestyle because that's between her and her maker.

Call her and cheer her up ( I know it's not easy) but we can just try.

HIV is not the end of the this world.. moreover she could go to test in multiple clinics to confirm..

If she really have it, she could just enroll in a government hospital and take her drugs before it's too late.. crying will not solve her problem,, delay is dangerous and that will be bad.
Medicine have advanced so much that HIV is not longer a death sentence... unless someone shy away from seeking help until it's too late.

There's even an ongoing research with promising results on drug discovery for HIV/AiDS. Scientists are happy with what they are seeing but in the mean time.. have her start the medication before it's too late.

Bigdik70inch2:
Even tho........i'm never in support of the strike out.........
Pastor or not..........a business owner deserves to do whatever he likes with his money......

Stop the envy/jealousy!!!!

If the pastor likes let him buy jet for himself..........isnt that a reward of his sweet??

Well..........this ain't happening to no friend but you........if u ain't comfortable enough working in the coy then leave..........or u can as well resign and start organisation

A business owner deserves to do whatever they want with their money... yes.

But they should pay their workers first... there are so many Bible verse about cheating your laborers, your employees..

People are lucky God is a merciful God otherwise people will be turning to bush meat like Nebuchadenzzer

dongc:
I get that Amazon and online businesses are the new ball game....infact covid19 brought about redefinition of how businesses are carried out. But businesses are evolving and joining trends...some are quick and some will not survive....but it would take a while

Well, covid 19 not only changed how businesses are carried out, it changed consumer behavior as well....

Lots of people are weary of crowded place these days which is the bread and butter of malls, (foot traffic..)

But as sad as it might sound, Amazon have an upper hand in the whole thing because they were in it already, buulding on their infrastructures opening up facilities left and right...

Lots of businesses will survive no doubt... in Nigeria, online business will be a bust because we don't have the infrastructure set up right in logistics... matter of fact, our heads are not wired like that.

You know how Amazon started? They perched on USPS to provide the logistics while they took their time and slowly built theres..

In Nigeria, that's a tough sell.. have you been at your local post office lately?? Those nipost workers shenanigans ehn... I tire oo

rmx:
My take ...

Outside say 3 to 4 tier one cities in Nigeria , maybe another 6 or 7 state capitals , doing malls of 15 to 20k sqm lettable space or more will land you in a lot of trouble financially , maintenance wise etc , the market is not sustainable /the commercial retail tenants to fill the spaces are not there , our economy and consumer spending is not that robust . Add the rumored exit of struggling shoprite , the anchor tenant for most , you can understand the chaos that might come

I strongly believe there is market for compact malls , a few thousand sqm lettable space in fantastic location within the city at reasonable leasable price point

For the mall/ group u mentioned ,know some people there and they agree 100% with my summation , would also say it’s the only one that qualifies to be called a mall in the true sense in ibadan in my own opinion

If I may,

Offering my concurrence here, in my non expert opinion, malls are not a good business to be in mathematically and economically speaking. It is just a money guzzling waste of fund, not profitable... when I say malls, I mean the way mall is ran and operated in "precisely " U.S.

At a point one has to stop and ask, what makes a mall, a mall? What attributes should a building have to be designated or qualified to be a mall?

The malls as we know it in the western world will struggle to exist in Nigeria..let's say for the sake of argument that it cost between 1.8bn to 2.5bn to build a standard mall with all the trimmings.. what about ROI? The occupancy rate?

How many businesses have the financial muscle to rent a space in the mall on a 5 year lease? And renew when it's up.
If the amenities are fine, foot traffic will be high but most people will come there to snap pictures not to pay the premium to buy things at the mall.

Why should they pay 15k for that shoe when they can bargain in an open market and pay 8k for it from their 30k minimum wage salaries ?

Folks for sure will come to hang out, use open Wi-Fi, bring out their families to window shop and go back home after spending 3 hours or so and just buying ice cream for the kids or their babe.. maybe buy a plate of rice and chicken to fill up the hungry stomachs and then go home..

Who's going to buy the goods and swing by for the services offered in the mall?

Case study shoprite, although not a mall oer se but could be seen as equivalent of say, Walmart, target, lindl etc... folks were excited when they arrived, people were hitting there head on the wall just to get in and see what it was all about and take pictures... now, the pictures are littered every where on the internet ... not that many people are ready to go there like they used to. It is now mostly a hang out spot.

Your suggested solution is not bad either, 'compact malls'.. again, how long is a piece of string? What qualifies as a mall?

I think in a way (sorta) we do have that every where in the form of plazas but a compact mall? The owner will be bleeding money on a monthly basis.

Even the plazas, do you know any plaza around you? Do you remember when it was built , how it looked? Do you remember how it looks now? The attachment shops are even higher than the number of shops in the original building.

I heard of a plaza somewhere in the East, the owner had this idea of compact mall in mind, structure was erected... not too long, the food court, the space in the middle where converted to shops by some had heads in the market ( a slow process tho. One attachment. The second the third etc..).. when the individual saw what's going on people were making more money on the attachment than he was, he fought a losing battle and gave up, what a heļl , "I am making more money now anyways" so he gave up the fight.

Today, I can submit that there are more attachment shops than there are lock up shops.

dongc:
Malls Obsolete ?? Not so far away from me is a major mall construction by venture capitalist... there are currently over 50 mall construction/plans in different stages either planning or contracts stages or construction...my county and many others count Malls as development ...its been difficult for malls with covid-19 the past one year.little ease of restrictions..people are trooping in... I live just outskirts of Gothenburg..

Understood....

Maybe I should be more specific? .

Malls are becoming Obsolete in the U.S precisely.

Amazon was and still is the number one killer..

Malls are just on the brink of death by a thousand cuts. Do you know how many malls are sitting empty in the U.S? Lots of them,

Most business renting the large spaces are "reinventing " themselves and investing more in the online space.. less overhead and more efficient (sort of).

Some big tenants are gradually going out of business, SEARS etc.. Jcpenney, Macy's, Kohls etc.. refusing to renew their leases in some locations and rather diverting to online sales. Moreover, foot traffic have reduced as well in the malls.

Funny enough most of all the big mall tenants are in one financial trouble or another... late last year, there was a rumored take over of Jcpenney by Amazon ( I pray that's not true ).

So should we deduce that if petty thiefs are not executed by jungle justice, they would end up running a successful business as well?

n3xt:
@michlins,

As I’m typing, I just received another request to design a massive mall in Ibadan.

Where’s all these money coming from? Dem no dey use N500m build malls. Let alone talk of a mall with 2 cinemas.

Walahi, I go so design this based on my experience working with the South Africans who designed and built some of the best malls in Nigeria.

This life sef.. in the western world, Malls are becoming obsolete..

In Nigeria, folks are still hitting their heads on the wall to build one..

Such is life !

Can he pray for divine Healing of this country Nigeria so we all can live in peace and be a prosperous nation??

EgunMogaji2:
Chief, the longer I stay in Nigeria the more in awe I am as to how you people manage to get things done. Every business owner in Nigeria needs to be given a GCFR title.

Thanks for your leadership and showing us what is possible.

Have a wonderful day Sir.

Funny but true and that's sadly one of our many problems.... too many chiefs and no Indians.

Displaced herders and you built them a mosque?? Will all of them live inside the mosque?