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n3xt:
Yeah!

We also need to start exploring precast solutions.

- Precast slab
- Precast concrete staircase
- Precast lintels/beams/columns
- Precast fences
- Precast drainages/sump/manhole
- Precast walls

Consider the huge savings people get from using precast parapet instead of the conventional in-situ parapets.

Solid construction minus the worries.


#whatdoiknow #advancedbabalati

Innovative.. keep it up.

I think this is one of our members here was saying about people investing in their business.. I believe it was diordaves or was it me?

Not sure but anyways, this is how we progress, trying to figure out a way to get better in what we do.. not cutting corners, but thinking about ways to get this done more efficiently and cheaper..

Thanks for sharing.

n3xt:
I stopped including cost of wood in my estimates since 2015.

Even my last and ongoing project, the whole formwork is on us at fraction of the cost.

The savings is huge.

Just imagine the huge saving on using steel shutters for columns production.
Within 5 days, we were able to take 3 buildings to first floor slab level without breaking bank.

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You’d save a lot of time.
You’d save a lot of money.
You’d be able to deliver a solid structure without compromising on quality.

Kudos!

Way to go!

Atiwaye:
But trust me if southern can unite on this matter there's nothing north can do than to concur, I just don't know why igbo elites are silent over everything they don't support biafra they don't support decentralized where do they belong self?

You are right but that's difficult for them to do.
Unlike the North, they all stand united on any issue concerning the North.

But the south are always divided, they want oduduwa Republic, the want Biafra, they want Ibom nation, they want Niger delta country plus other groups that are gingering to be given their own country.. all in the southern Nigerian.

If they all could use the same muscle, in unit.. stand there grounds regardless of party affiliation... this issue would have been thing of the past. Your suggestion would have been adopted long time ago

When will all these nonsense end?

Giant of Africa

Known gunman?

What provoked the shootings?

djsjxjfjdisjdjb:
4m for just decking?

Oh Boy, things are tight

Things are expensive now especially building Materials, everyone just increasing prices left and right.. sometimes prices increase twice in a day..

I guess we should move to Borno then ?

Surprise Surprise

In the other news EFCC arrests 10 suspected yahoo Boys.

I guess I will be moving to Borno

OlujobaSamuel:
Lol, same UEFA won't want a player to take a beer or gulp a coke before or during the match. Just like betting, they are ready to collect money from bet companies, but not ready to allow players place bet.

Players are not allowed to bet to avoid them being tempted to sell a game..

That's very unethical, very unprofessional for a player to do something like that.. the sponsors paid big money for the sponsorship...

If they don't like who's sponsoring the tournament, they might as well not play in the tournament and stay home

n3xt:
Experience has shaped us over the years.

With my clients knowledge, I once delegated a project to an engineer recommended by my client’s folk and he messed up badly but I get to bear the brunt.

Today, I personally supervise all my builds. I hardly miss a day on my site because I don’t take on more than one project at a time and I’ve learnt to set up boundaries/limit

Smart lesson!!.

We all have to learn to live to fight another day.

Do what you can, and do it right.. tomorrow is another day ... it's not always about the quantity but the quality and your peace of mind.

Thanks for bringing that up.. I hope others will learn from it.

Igbojihadist:
Good morning Nairalanders.

Please I need advice on this. I was given fasting and praying which is supposed to end today but yesterday night i was not feeling alright then I visited a doctor who gave me some medications and placed me on drug, I'm suppose to use some this morning but I'm afraid I might spoil my fasting.

PLS I NEED ADVICE

Una happy sunday

Why are you fasting when you know you are sick??

@lastpage, I am not sure if you are trying to ridicule your intelligence or what??

Again, comparing a landlord - tenant agreement to an agreement between someone hiring a contract killer to kill someone .. was a WRONG example!!.

Not sure what your profession is or how long you have been around the legal world... you don't know it all, no one does.

"Suppressed evidence" like I used it in my post just means that, that evidence cannot be admitted in court... cannot be used. An opposing counsel can file a motion to suppress an evidence and a judge can grant that motion and that evidence is suppressed. Cannot be used.
( motion to suppress an evidence= an objection by an opposing counsel asking the court not to admit an evidence)

Like I said and I repeat, a tenant should not read all this write ups here and puff out there chest thinking because they didn't pay the stamp Duty on their Tenancy agreement, the landlord cannot use it in court. That's not entirely true..

Remember, a Judge in Ikoyi might see a case differently from a judge in surulere. A magistrate in Onitsha might see a case differently than a magistrate in Enugu.. again, there are lots of things that go on in a case more especiallyin the court room - court room skills.

In big law, some firms actually have a unit that profiles a judge. as part of their duties. I mean have a profile on the judges.. what they are like , how they view things, there legal background, how they ruled in certain cases etc. That shapes the trial lawyers when they prepare for a case, write their briefs and when they actually come in the court.

Again, all these Yada yada here.. if a higher court have ruled about this issue in a certain way... they set a legal precedence on it. I don't know yet about this issue that's why I say it remains to be seen if they have done so. A lower court cannot reverse a higher court. Again, I wouldn't be surprised if that happens in Nigeria.

Keep in mind, it depends on what the issue is between the landlord and tenant. Check this out , if the issue was rent.. tenant owes 1 year of rent and landlord served the tenant proper notices.. in court tenant is saying ehn ehn landlord cannot enforce the tenancy agreement because them the tenant did not pay the stamp duty?? Not that many judges or magistrates will agree with that.

@lastpage, I don't want to quote you to avoid blocking off a huge chunk of this page.

But like I said, the example you used was a WRONG example!!.

You don't know what I do for a living, ... I don't even know you personally. my profession is irrelevant here anyways because I am not advertising my business or anything like that and it's was not the subject of the conversation.. I just found the stamp Duty thing interesting and I have swapped few messages to other people that found it interesting as well or bizarre as the case might be.

In your posts, you do somewhat contradict your position, not sure why.

Again, I will suggest to tenants don't bank on all these write ups here , thinking ehn ehn because you the tenant did not pay for the stamp Duty, the landlord can't enforce the agreement... be very careful!! The law don't always reason that way... not every judge will listen to that..

Also in legal proceedings there are lots of things that can go wrong in a case even if the "village people " notarized the agreement and stamp Duty was paid.

It remains to be seen, the legal precedent (if any) if this particular issue " suppressing evidence (tenancy agreement) because of stamp Duty was not paid " have been reversed on appeal or a higher court have interpreted this in a different way and ruled likewise.

I am officially signing out on this topic.

Thanks.

Please don't quote me, I am not feeling fine.

My Anambra people no dey gree again ooo

All these contemporary buildings... I am quite happy about that... it is very refreshing to see these changes.

Maybe lastpage have a point about the stamp Duty stuff but the analogy he is using to express it is very very faulty in my opinion.

You can't compare an agreement between a landlord and their tenant to a contract killings. Those are two different things.. one is legal business and the later is an illegal business. It is not illegal for a landlord to rent a house to a tenant, but it is illegal for someone to contract a killer to kill another person..Just my opinion though.

I was just asking this things for knowing sake, knowing our dear country Nigeria, anything can happen even in the court law, invoking a non existing legal principle, misinterpreting a law etc... was it not one of our Supreme Court justices, expressing dismay in his colleagues miscarriage of justice in his scathing dissent said, .. wonders shall never end.."


I guess "that wonders " have not ended...

I am really interested to see the court transcripts on the cases in Abuja. When the courts are back from strike, maybe that will be possible. Abuja being the seat of power, things are offcourse done differently there. I am suspecting maybe Lagos, because the state is a bit progressive in their laws and might have passed a law to back this thing up.

If you are one of them hard head tenants that have read this write ups and think.. aye, I will take my landlord to court and show him what I learned on Nairaland... be careful.. not every judge or magistrate will be kind to let you off the hook on Rent and possession because of this technicalities.

A lot of judges will frown on that if you base your legal argument on the tenancy agreement was not stamp dutied. Remember that was your burden to pay not the landlords. Just like it is the Burden of the landlord to pay the property rate but responsibility of the Inland revenue services to collect the dues/fees.

Another thing to be mindful of is, if the evidence (tenancy agreement) was successfully suppressed in court and the court ruled it invalid... what other legal documents does the tenant have that gave them the legal rights to be in possession of the property?

Since the tenancy agreement is INVALID, the so called tenant can not be called tenant again, wouldn't that be criminal trespassing? Because the individual doesn't have any legal right to have possession of the said flat/shop as the case might be?

You can't have it both ways, it is either you are in the unit legally that is a tenant or you are not, in that case a criminal taking possession of what he doesn't have any legal right to have the possession of.

Word of advice to tenants, pay your rent on time as at when due don't dwell on court proceedings to be a hard head.
if a landlord wants you to pack out because of reasons unreasonable.. just ask for sometime and move.. in your best interest... just ask for some time and move on with your life in peace. Some of these landlords or property managers could be something else..

Moreover in a landlord and tenant dispute, the majority of the cases, the bone of contention is rent due not possession of the property because the landlord owns the building, that is his property, he just have to file proper notices to evict the tenant from his property.

Cheers!

bixton:
And may l add, Landlords should Stamp Duty their Tenancy Agreements, for it to be legally binding and Evidencial in court.
It is just 0.78 % of Value.
Not doing so can make a Judge refuse to accept your signed agreement as 'evidence' in Court, during an ejection hearing.

Lastpage!


Well done Sir....
I just found out that it's not entirely applicable in all the States of the federation because some States' National Assembly have not amended their stamp duty laws to effect such changes.

Thanks. That's why I was curious on the state where he experienced that in court so I can do more research on it.

lastpage:
You are kind of confusing issues here.
My Post relates to Nigeria ONLY, not US, not UK.
Stamp Duty needs to be Paid on Rent or Lease Agreement, it is a requirement of the Govt of Nigeria.

Again, NOT ALL 'signed agreements' are legally binding and enforceable, despite being signed by the two parties involved, as you claim/
I wont go into any legalese but let me just give you an example we use in teaching:
Imagine two people "signed an agreement" between them, for one party to kill somebody, on behalf of a second party and that second party will paid the first party #200K. (All the elements of a Contract are fulfilled: Offer, Acceptance and Consideration)

Ordinarily, both parties have agreed, signed and executed the agreement but in Law, that agreement is INVALID, NULL and VOID and UNENFORCEABLE because the agreement is illegal from the onset (Killing is unlawful and an agreement to kill becomes unlawful, by extension).
The second party cannot sue the first party or seek redress, that the first party took his money and refused "performance", despite their "Signed Agreement".

Sir/Madam,

I am afraid that you have compared apples to oranges here.

We are talking about landlords and tenants.. recall, tenancy agreement - legal business. Not any illegal activities, cum contract killings.. maybe you brought up wrong example... I think that was a wrong example if I am honest.

But to your credit tho, ex Turpi causa non oritur actio is a valid legal defense based on your example.. but we are talking about legal business of a landlord renting a property to a tenant.

When you go back to my posting, I was responding to @ jabolo when he/she said ... stamp Duty is required not only in Nigeria...

I was asking myself where else is this required? And as luck will have it, I happen to have had first and second hand experiences in real estate in other countries and this stamp Duty of a thing never came up in those instances.

Speaking of Nigeria I have first hand experience in landlord tenants issues and have been to court in almost all the states in Eastern Nigeria, count Delta state in too but no magistrate/judge even asked that, not even when the tenants themselves were lawyers or hired a decent counsel for the court room brawl was this ever mentioned.. ( but it's been a while now, maybe things have changed).

If you don't mind me asking, which state did did you experience this in court ? The stamp Duty stuff..

If you don't mind, I am still interested on how the court arrived at this requirement, any actual legal references .. is appreciated

Thanks again.

lastpage:
SIGHS!


Lastpage!

We are all here to learn, atleast I am.

Is there any legal backing in Nigeria regarding that?

If there was , I am not aware, I have never heard of that. I have checked in with a lawyer friend and he thought it was bizarre but no one knows everything.

If there's a legal background on it, I will like to know for myself . Thanks.

diordaves:
Did you read the article you attached?

Stamp Duty is paid by the tenant as a form of tax. In the UK we call it Council Tax in this respect.

Stamp Duty is NOT paid by the landlord to perfect a rent agreement for the agreement to be admissible in court. The tenant pays HIS/HER Stamp Duty with the agreement as issued by the landlord.

Stamp Duty is NOT a requirement in Nigeria for a tenancy agreement to be admissible in court. It is important we understand these things.

Thanks for that clarification..

I was taken aback when he said a tenancy agreement need stamp Duty before it could be an admissible evidence.

(Not that I will be shocked if a magistrate say that to be honest). Na 9ja we dey

But I was more interested in the specific text of the Law that requires that so I can read up and learn.. that's one of the reasons why we are all here, to learn and grow.

In as much as from a layman perspective, I don't think that sounded right, but I understand the text of the Law supercedes our subjective minds,.

@jabolo, my U.S reference came in the picture when you said in one of your posts that stamp Duty in tenancy agreement, is not only required in Nigeria. My response to that was scratching my head to find anywhere else that requires that, not in SA or Kenya, not in any western country that I know of and "specifically " U.S.

jabolo:
It's a common legal requirement and not just Nigeria. You stamp a document/agreement officially so it is admissible in evidence when a dispute arises especially if granting security over such agreement. The option is yours of course.

The rate is set by law but Federal/State Governments can offer waivers for certain categories of investments. Eg, an FDI I'm aware of saved over $20m in stamp duties recently through such waivers.

If you're buying a house with a mortgage, the bank will require you to stamp the purchase agreement before accepting it as collateral, again so it can be admitted in court as evidence if things go wrong.

Thanks for your response but I disagree with your submission.

Stamp Duty for a tenancy agreement is not a requirement in most western countries and I have rented spaces in a few of them.

In the U.S, some states do have a default tenancy agreement form on the state/county/city website that a landlord could just print off and use. Stamp Duty not required even in the event the landlord's lawyer drafts the tenancy agreement. Notary is not even required for the document to be legally binding.

The reference you made about buying a house.. in the U.S some documents requires notary which the desk jockey at the closing company can do.

Also, don't confuse power of attorney with tenancy agreement. Them two have different legal guidelines .

The word "agreement " means two people have agreed on an issue .

An agreement is legally binding if the two parties agreed on it by,

1). By word of mouth.
2). A text exchange
3). Email exchange
4). And offcourse our very popular ink to paper.

Most judges don't like the word of mouth because it places a heavy burden on the court to determine who is telling the truth and who is stretching the truth. Offcourse since the case made it to court, there has been a disagreement and they come to court to seek redress.

lastpage:
How are you Sir.
Click my mention for some of my previous posts, l guess one of two will be of assistance in your quest.
You can serve requisite Notice (6months, 3Months, 1Month, 7days, depending on the type of tenancy and SIGNED, Written agreement), to coincide with the last day of the Tenancy. It is legal.
Dating and content is very crucial, please.

And may l add, Landlords should Stamp Duty their Tenancy Agreements, for it to be legally binding and Evidencial in court.
It is just 0.78 % of Value.
Not doing so can make a Judge refuse to accept your signed agreement as 'evidence' in Court, during an ejection hearing.

Lastpage!

Is there some sort of law biding this ? Law of evidence? ( check, stamp duty for Tenancy agreement).

Or judges are exercising or abusing their judicial discretion?

I just don't see a reason to do so ( from the eyes of a common man). We do overdo things in this country that's just... o well Nigeria

omolola100:
My mother advice me never to look for a rich man who is well do whenever i'm set to get married.
she said i should marry a man that we will both start our life from the foundation, according to my mum, she said it is better to suffer with man to acquire wealth, than to go for a ready made soup.

Looking at the way things are going now, do you think a woman will now stoop so low and marry a poor man that is trying to make ends meet? Although, money is not love, but why would a parent wish her daughter to marry a poor man, i am begining to see my mum as a bad mother who does'nt wish me well.
Is it advisable i follow my mothers advice? I should stay in SURULERE instead of OLORUNSOGO.

Maybe you misunderstood your mother or her message didn't come out right.

I think what she might be saying was for to you marry the man you love regardless of his financial status.

Some of this rich men have dirty money, you will have money but no peace of mind.

Some of the average Joe's, when you toil with them and things get better, at least you have peace of mind on the source of their wealth. Remember no condition is permanent.

But Las Las, marry a man you love regardless of their financial situation .

Mine is loading, na we dey here

KIDfurniture:
When you have money in Nigeria, it's best you go for uncommon designs. The owner is obviously rich.
I like this more .. duplex is old fashion and too common.

Offcourse, nothing is wrong with the design, I was just curious if the owner had other reasons why they choose it.

I like cathedral ceilings myself and one of the reasons is it circulates heat better, the house won't get too hot. It looks majestic in my view and I just like it.

I have a friend that doesn't like it, he says, it costs a lot of money to heat up and the AC during warmer weather. Too much bill and also it looks scary to him.. imagine lying on your bed and the ceiling is that high.. for some people, they don't care, for some, they like it.

I was just curious on the client's perspective that's all.