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Edobabe20:
Happy birthday Mr trouble the only husband that fits mama G u taught me to be troublesome

They were perfect match

vickzie:
I'm trying to understand something here, if a client give a job to a contractor for X amount, and the contractor fails to deliver, and the client asks for refund, is it the exact amount paid that should be refunded bearing in mind inflation, eg if I pay 10m when cement was 2350 to complete a bungalow and the contractor fails, won't it be absurd for the contractor to refund me same 10m, when I can no longer complete the project with the said 10m due to inflation

It depends on the terms of the agreement.

What both parties agreed to when they shook hands and signed the dotted lines.

There's a reason why some contracts are 100 pages. It covers all the basis and lays out the terms of the agreement.

Remember when you opened your email, or signed up for something online, new credit card etc. did you read all the terms and conditions? There's a reason why those things are that long for reasons like your question.

If it was not previously agreed to, the contractor is not liable.

But again don't sit and wait before you take an appropriate action if a deal go sour.

If you wait around for too long before seeking relief, not every judge will be sympathetic to your cause.. some will feel sorry for you but throw out your case..

Remember, doctrine of laches.

Some people will now to wishing to be flogged by the police so they will collect 5m

Tripitaka:
If Obiano doesn't finish this before exiting, then it will likely be another abandoned project.

He knows, that's why he is working to make sure it is done before he leaves office.

AppDevt:
we contacted him since July and he said we should pay for the roof so that he can go to the company to book it immediately, Till now , no roof , Imagine since last year . He picks calls when he likes, tells you lies and nothing changes .
Later, he stopped picking his calls .
We have been through hell with this guy .

Very sad story, I was quite surprised he didn't offer a robust explanation when he posted this morning.

And to think this is one person that most people including myself hold in high regard here.. well, I will wait until I see his full submission.

I have said this time after time after time.. communication, communication, communication..

When you are working with someone, something comes up, let the person know right away.

Aye... this and that and that happened, I am working on rectifying the situation to proceed on your job.. give me x amount of time to get things together and I will resume.. and be true to your word.

Sometimes people accept jobs but they have other jobs that is taking too much of their time. There's nothing wrong with calling your client saying, aye.. man is too busy at the moment, send me your account details so I can refund your money. And everyone goes there separate ways.

Why are these things too difficult?? Money and business have been here before we are born, they will be here even after we are gone.



Please always do the right thing.. don't always wait till the end to say, ehm ehm... what had happened was... with a sob story Yada yada.. be upfront about the situation!!!

saydfact:
Hi Lawyer -


Offcourse you're aware of the NL rule about have more than 1 (ONE) moniker...… or can I assume you don't ?

So, last week - after seeing post from a particular moniker that I consider as UN-REAL and FALSE - I started doing some self investigation (checking post and quotes of post). In less than 3 days, I discovered and can proof that that moniker has not less than 5 (not 1,2,3 or 4) BUT 5 other monikers.

He uses 1 to ask and another to comment, then another for verification of good work done....

MY QUESTION IS, WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU DO AS THE MODERATOR ?

CC: SEUN and my friend Lalasticlala (it's been ages I tagged LALA last )

Who is this person with 5 ids , that ask, answer their own questions and recommend themselves.

That's fraudulent? Please open their nyash here...

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Is above the same incident with Skimaski or are they separate?
@Appdevt

Have you tried to reach him, by phone, email and the likes?

What was his response?

I haven't seen his post on nairaland in a while, I don't know if he still frequent the site or not..

Greenarrow01:
Name sake
Good evening oo

vickzie:
I had a particular client I was working for on a new project, he took me to his village to see another on going project and make little inputs here and there. mehn I saw things, column right in the centre of the sitting room because of poor slab job, staircase risers as much as 350mm, some 400mm and I'm not exaggerating, some rooms without windows, step down into the kitchen was 400mm and they didnt even care to divide it into two 200mms, I nearly fell stepping into the kitchen. I didn't even feel safe the few minutes I was inside the structure. he proposed I take over the job, I REJECTED THE OFFER.

This is one of the mistakes some people make.

They design their home from the outside.

Say they see a building, they just go YES!! This what I want, exactly this design right there, yep.

This they do without researching the floor plan to make sure the flow of the building will work for them. They are just mesmerized by the supposed beauty of the exterior of the building or the 3D design.

On a personal note, I spend more time worrying about the internal structure of the house, the flow , livability of the inside than I am worried about the external look and 3D exterior look to me comes wayy after I am happy with the internal flow of the building. After all, I will live inside of the building not at the outside of it.

Lots of townhouse or apartments / condos in New York, D.C and San Francisco, they look old and somewhat ugly on the outside but when you enter inside, na there you go no say, man pass man no be boasting.

Which internet would they use to access the online classes??

n3xt:
Building without a plan or a cheap plan

I hope whomever was doing that was not trying to build a house.

Maybe a demo of some sort?

rotecch77:
No doubt about your post, you are very correct.
But what I’m trying to point out is that we can get our wall 70-80pec smooth without screeding.
What most people/ artisan believed now is that only screeding can make your wall smooth which is very wrong there poor handling of job make client believed them ( artisan).
More so you can get your paint well smooth without screeding, if your wall is nicely plastered coupled with prima as undercoat.

Very well said!!

vickzie:
sometimes the terrible ones are denied approval. It's not even their job to begin to analyse drawings . Na the owner go suffer am. You pay the number 1 man 45k, how much do even even pay labourers sef?

Actually it is their job to make sure every house is habitable and will be in compliance with all the codes, safety, well being of the occupants etc.

They are not supposed to be rubber stamping building plans.

Well, atleast that's what similar authorities do in a sane environment. Some places even after the back and forth with the council/city engineers.. the neighbors have to agree for that house to be built before approval is granted.

n3xt:
On this, it is on first-come-first-serve basis. It’s not lottery.

Some have even finished making their payments to the govt. The govt need to recoup their investment so allocation goes to those who have completed their payments and those who are financed by Gateway Mortgage Bank

Thanks. At least the system is working a lot better.very happy to hear that!

I hope government are not allowing one big man to buy this wholesale and then resale to the highest bidder.

n3xt:
Update:


For those who requested for form last week, sales of form for the Ogun State Affordable Housing Scheme has resumed.

Just curious on how this process works, does everyone that purchase form and capable of financing the house be allocated one or is the allocation done by lottery?

I ask because many Federal housing estate I know of or heard of.. they always say low income/ affordable housing bla bla but low income people don't live there.. it is always rich people that end up living in places like that.

When someone buys form, you go waka back and forth to the office tire..

I hope that's not the case here..

n3xt:
Most buildings in naija do not have building plan approval. Those who do always build something different from what was approved.

We have building codes document that most professionals don’t even care about.

The enforcing agencies only care about fees and the kickbacks. The regulatory bodies only care about titles and salaries. All you hear them say is I’m a licensed professional

When leadership get better, everyone wins.

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Pic - Entrance leading to Disttict Approval Office in a south west state. You can imagine what yo expect

And they will come out from an office Like that to tell an owner this and that..

But he doesn't wear mask all the time?

vickzie:
I did my IT in a govt parastatal where building plans are approved, tens of drawings come to the office for approval on a daily. the kind of designs I saw eh, you'd begin to have mercy on the future occupant. I remember convincing a client who came to collect his approved drawing to abandon the design after I modelled the interior and showed him the terrible flow. why do people pay peanuts and get a bad design for a project that would cost millions?

Maybe the government shouldn't be approving those plans.

The government in a way might be aiding all this poor design, poor construction and all.

Do we even have statutory requirements in Nigeria?

Are the appropriate authorities enforcing it? Or they just care about all the fees you have to pay ?

In as much as I despise his actions. Dude was seeking popularity and the police just helped his case.

Think of it, what can the police charge him for?? Defacing naira ( if that is even illegal ). But we see politicians, celebrities throwing money around during burial , wedding, birthday etc.

The police will eventually release him and shamefully, he will even gain more members.

His actions are despicable nonetheless , and I hope our people learn.

Work hard, stay focused, God's time is the Best!!!

Someone some where is getting paid to say and do nothing about this ugly issue.

AlhajiImam:
Did you give them money and land to build ranch?

Are they sharing the proceeds from the cattle business with anyone?

Why don't the herdsmen have a ranch where they can graze their cattles jejely without disturbing anyone and without being disturbed??

Cattle grazing is a personal business not a community business.

And to think that the "prophet" actually recorded and posted the video online himself..

It wasn't like someone snuck upon him to expose this.. SMH.

Talk just full my mouth but

diordaves:
I'm not sure it is good advice for the BOQ to have been prepared by the resident engineer of the project. Conflict of interest comes to mind. I'm of the opinion BOQ should be prepared independently of the resident engineer or builder. "3 bedroom up and 3 bedroom down" means the project is two units of three bedrooms right? 3 million is a fantastic fantasy to supervise just the foundation. To be honest, 3 million to supervise the whole building to completion is still a fantasy. Less than a 100k for a dry land foundation in your location is more like it. Get a second and third quote.

Well said!!

Soldier slapped him because he can I guess? But the way the G wagon was parked (judging from the video), the G wagon was driving in the wrong direction unless that road is only a one way traffic which doesn't appear to be the case.

2 wrongs don't make a right.

Stevo30:
This is all shades of wrong. You pay tax on earned income in a juridiction. The best could have done is leavy. The governor Lagos do not pay income in fct and he should not be made to pay one of he has to build in Abuja but can pay levy and fees on the property. I guess they just see the clearance as a fee . So i have to dash Lagos state 750k-1.5m when i get to that stage. Gangster governance. Up till few years ago if you travel to some western countries you are refunded tax you paid on things you buy in the country on your way out at the airport.

Regrettably Yes. In almost all the states I have dealt with or know people that have gone through this process.

The states don't care if you live and pay your taxes in state "A" , state " B" would want you to provide a tax clearance showing you have paid taxes in "B" before they will approve your plan.

Double taxation? Not their problem.

Gangster governance? Sounds like it but nah 9ja we dey.. what can an individual do? Sadly, nothing.. you make a small noise, your file will move at a tortoise or snail rate.

For you to do any business in 9ja , especially lands, erecting a build.. and the like, you have to be tough like 2 dollar steak.

n3xt:
If rent is as cheap as 350k, it makes no financial sense to buy a land and build any type of house there. You won’t recoup your investment in 2 decades even if the rent is increased by 300%.

I once lived in an estate where you pay N2m/ annum to rent a 2 bedroom BQ and 1000sqm land is sold N45m within the estate.
We also pay as much as N7m / annum (and even far more) to rent duplexes in some location in Lagos.

If it’s an industrial area, the price 100m/plot is still cheap compared with what’s obtainable around here.

Instead of investing in such area, a wise investor will look for land in neighboring communities and buy land at cheap price to develop residential projects.
If however, the plan is to flip lands - it’s a wise decision in my own opinion.

Your thought process is very plausible and I do agree with it.

I did a write up here once about peoples thought process in investment, some people are looking at Economics like you are, some people are sentimental investors making investments
decisions to a place they are emotionally attached to or to have a sense of pride say I own this and that in here and there..


However, I don't think folks in the East, Onitsha to narrow it down think in terms of Economics.. in my opinion it is sentiment, sense of pride.

For the Easterners, it is a beautiful thing, a sense of pride to own a property back home. Akuluno ( If wealth reaches home - that's the literal translation). Economics is not heavily factored in it.

Why would someone buy a bungalow of 18m to knock it down and spend 55m+ to erect 3 storey building and collect 300 - 350k per annum? It does not make any business sense it will take longer for someone to recoup their investment.. legends have it that average recoupment of a real estate is between 10 to 15 years.

And do you know that most lands in Onitsha are not free holds. They are leased from the natives. They used to lease the lands for 99 years, but they stopped that, I heard they lease 50 or 25 years now not sure, some families lease for 15 .

Now back to our prior calculations, bungalow 18m + agent fee, change of ownership etc, new building 55m and remember the land might have 10 years or even 5 years lease left so you will get ready to go haggle with the family in few years time. It doesn't make a business sense if you ask me, but people are doing it and don't have any regret about it.

n3xt:
As at 2012 that I first met Olumide, his bedroom doors are around 350k. His entrance doors are over 1.2m/door

You won’t contest the price if you see the finishing of the doors.

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If we intend to use his doors on any project, we tell him immediately we start the foundation work. He does not use just any type of wood.
Recently he did a house in banana island where he use a 100 years old cedar. That door was one of the unique selling points of the luxury apartment.

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I know there are lots of lookalikes but you can tell the big difference when you see Geometro Doors.


Here are some of amazing doors by another great guy Edgar

Nice doors.

But ehn, one entrance door for N1.2m price tag must led one to the promise land

Note: There are doors in those price ranges and some that cost more than that... not sure if the trees they used in the construction were bottle fed from nursery but people that could afford it do go for them.

Classic Trump, never pays any one..

Trump might be the founder of Stingy men Association, he doesn't give anyone shishi, not even the IRS.

But Stingy men in 9ja are still explaining to their kinsmen why they joined the association....

NAFDAC are just throwing their weight about..

At first glance, I thought one of the universities were parading themselves as having come up with a covid 19 vaccine.

Didn't the minister order covid 19 vaccines from China?