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todaysecho:
Earlier Wednesday, Trump retweeted a right-wing pundit’s flattering, messiah-flavored comments about the president’s support in Israel.

“The Jewish people in Israel love him like he’s the King of Israel. They love him like he is the second coming of God,” said the supporter, Wayne Allyn Root.

budaatum:
Good one!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQBC5URoF0s

Enchantaurl:
Your comments and views are encouraged.

johnydon22:
Would he be right then to assume the universe began to exist?

Lol. This doesn't say anything, this is like saying, by cup i mean anything that is a cup.

How do you recognize something that can't emerge by chance?

What are the qualities observed that connote design?

afrorossiyatv:
One girl literary cried after eating the jollof rice but she asked me not to include the video cos she'd be embarrassed lol

Marineghost:
Pepper too much for jollof rice

Op are you from the west?

afrorossiyatv:
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FuckThaMod:
You get money to waste.. Why not cook the rice and give the hungry ones here in naija. They will pray well for you

Shepherd00:
Thank you for the insult. May God bless you.

GodWrites:
Seems you do smoke weed before commenting on religious threads. No iota of sense made!

GodWrites:
I got goosebumps after reading op's plight. My brother, how do you sleep at night knowing that another man might be dicking your wife?

How can your business flourish when you are carrying an issue that is so draining and depressing?

Take a look at your kids, I'm sure they don't resemble you in any way. Am I wrong?

If you wish to die old, you need to take a step that pains. A step that requires enormous strength. Please, DIVORCE that hoe before she end you.

If your wife can't respect you, the kids won't. It's obvious you have failed as a husband, do you want to fail as a father too? Yes, you failed as a husband cause those signs came earlier on, you neglected them because of what the society will think.

Divorce her, then think of buffing your finance. Don't wait till finance is okay before you take that step. It is a trap!

I hope you act like a man for once in your life.

geoworldedu:
Are these your straightforward answers to my straightforward question?

geoworldedu:
The bible(Word of God)
The Koran(Word of God)
The Vedas(Word of God) etc. are all written down by human beings. The question is, why can't the Word of God grow out of the ground by itself or we hear it all at once? Why is the word of God artificial instead of being natural?

oyatz:
After 200 years of the Fulani Jihad, the result is that it's very difficult to differentiate between the Fulanis and their host communities.

geoworldedu:
I don't seem to understand your argument at all. Can you summarise and simplify what you mean?

geoworldedu:
The topic is very straightforward, your explanation is very gloomy and unclear.

Ihedinobi3:
I'm not entirely convinced that you do.

Like I said, I used axioms as an illustration because I expected that you would understand them without my meaning to explain them. An axiom cannot be proven, because an axiom is its own proof. That is, it is not that you cannot make any attempt at all at demonstrating that an axiom is true, but that you can only do so with circular arguments. That was implied in what I said. For this reason, it is always hard to prove an axiom to sophisticated intellects.

Ihedinobi3:
A little child might be surprised that b + a = a + b when you show them how a on one side is the same as a on the other, etc, but a growing child with more information would see it immediately and be promptly bored by any explanations of what is immediately obvious. But this also works against such a child because increase in information naturally makes us more arrogant, so when you state a new axiom that this new child has never seen, it is harder to explain it to them than it would have been to explain the first one.

Ihedinobi3:
This is also a demonstration of what the Lord Jesus taught about receiving the Kingdom of God as a child. The only attitude in which anyone can become a believer is one of humility, that is, a willingness to be taught. Otherwise, it is impossible to get the Truth through to such a person.

Ihedinobi3:
So, it is not that there is no evidence for what one believes, but that the thing that one is called to believe is its own evidence.

Ihedinobi3:
Another demonstration would be this: if you hung out with an OB-GYN friend and asked what they did today, they might tell you that they examined a pregnant woman. If you asked them how they knew that it was a pregnant woman that they examined, they'd probably say that it's because she was a woman and pregnant. The fact is that if they had a female human with all the biological paraphernalia of the gender on their table, they couldn't give more evidence than the human herself as proof for why they believe it is a woman that they are examining. The thing is proof of itself.

Ihedinobi3:
That is what axioms are about. They are self-evident truths. As such, for example, a pregnant man is an impossibility. It would be an absurdity to assume such a thing as an axiom. This is just like assuming that a God cannot exist or is not necessary for the Universe to exist. Such an axiom would make no sense. The same reasoning applies to every belief system.

Ihedinobi3:
So, again, I would say that "belief" is not the antithesis of evidence or of certain knowledge. What we know for certain is what we believe to be perfectly true, without any doubts whatsoever. One's belief about a given thing may be weak or strong, but it is not by virtue of being a belief independent of evidence.

Ihedinobi3:
Moving on from that, your rejection of any authority outside of you is, of course, why I don't accept you as a fellow believer. Believers know that, first, we aren't good enough for God on our own, so we need the Lord Jesus, and, second, we desperately need each other to grow spiritually. It isn't a question of obeying each other. It is one of submitting to each other. That was the foot-washing lesson that the Lord taught us who follow Him. We have to be willing to accept each other's help, and also to help each other grow and mature and bear fruit too.

Ihedinobi3:
Finally, you make a lot of absolute statements here that I see no reason to consider even remotely true. Possibly the worst of them is that God did not say that we must not do such and such to the Bible. How do you know that? Are you God perhaps? Or do you have a direct line to Him so that you alone are privy to what He says about things?

Ihedinobi3:
Another bad one is that our error is in thinking that we alone have found and others must learn from us. Even if we thought so, who said that it's an error? You? Should we be worshiping you now? Or should we take what you said to mean that we cannot assume that what you said is not true and therefore we must not think that you have found too and listen to you? How does that work exactly?

Ihedinobi3:
I get that you have no intention to yield to the Gospel, given your many years of rebellion against it. And that's your business, but I can't reconcile that lack with your interest in the Lord Jesus.

Michellekabod2:
hmm....I fear for you oh buda.are you sure it ain't "testimonies" like this that will be used to oust you out of NL come 2020?
I advice you,Lord Reed and Jnr agree on what qualifies for testimonies/miracles now

Ihedinobi3:
If you teach math, I think you'll understand then, if I use the concept of axioms.

You cannot even begin to understand anything about a mathematical system, if you do not first accept certain axioms upon which to base your mathematical reasoning.

But axioms cannot be proven. They are fundamental assumptions that are either right or just not right. In the end, you have to simply decide whether it makes sense to believe or accept a set of axioms or not. But you must make that choice to even have a shot at getting started on a mathematical journey.

This is what makes a believer a believer. We have to decide first and foremost whether we are willing to base everything on Jesus Christ, God become Man to die on the Cross for our sins, or not. We have to decide if we trust Him enough to believe whatever He says. Then we have to make the decision to diligently learn everything that He has to say and teach and studiously and painstakingly apply it in every point to our lives.

This is not something that you can say that you can study and scrutinize and prove. Either it makes sense to us intuitively to believe in the Lord Jesus or it does not. As it is, all of Creation around us and our own consciences are all we need to figure out whether such Faith is sensible or not. If we choose not to believe in the Lord Jesus, we will end up believing something else entirely. But we will choose in one direction or another. No one can avoid that.

On the basis of what we choose to believe fundamentally, that is, the axioms of life that we choose to adopt, we start to make sense of life. Of course, life will produce a feedback to tell you whether your axioms were sensible or not. If they were, you will find encouragement and confirmation in your choice to believe, and you will go from "tentative" to "sure" in time. This really is what we call spiritual growth in Christianity. At spiritual maturity, the believer is quite certain and convinced of the Truth of what he believes. He is no longer easy to persuade in any other direction. This does not mean that he cannot fall away anymore. He can, if he stops working forward. There is no standing still in the spiritual business of life. Either you are growing more resolute and convinced of one way of life or you are growing more resolute and convinced of another.

The main difference between the Christian and others is that life's feedback tends to agree with everything that the Bible teaches. It doesn't for other belief systems including atheism. But, of course, each of us has the godlike ability to believe whatever we want, which comes packaged with the ability to persuade ourselves to ignore whatever we prefer to ignore and see whatever we want to see. Of course, it's not so strong as to turn reality on its head, so anybody can still change whenever they want. That is, after all, why Christians can throw their Faith away, and unbelievers can become Christians too.

In the end, there is nothing special about me. I have been a Christian since childhood, yes, but I only began to learn what Christianity was about less than two years ago in October 2017. October last year, I began to post on this forum with this account. Not only have I continued to grow through that time, but I have also been offering everyone who gives me half a chance an opportunity to learn where I learned. I have been willing to teach others what I know, and to lead them to where I myself was taught. I have not denied it to anybody whom I thought might be willing to listen, certainly not you.

But I have never graduated from being a believer. I have never met or even seen the Lord Jesus. I have never seen angels or been to the Third Heaven. I have never met any of the saints that wrote the Scriptures or were written of in the Bible. I take everything in it on Faith, one, because it all makes sense, and, two, because it all always works out just as it says that it will.

That is what I call everyone to do: give the Bible an honest shot, and see where it takes you, before assuming the position of judge over it.

donbachi:
Tolerance

OkCornel:
Did you read my first post on this thread?


Do you also agree the Gospel of Matthew to John is a testimony of the Apostles accounts with Jesus?

Ihedinobi3:
There were. Not enough though to produce a "corrupted version," only enough to prevent a believer who is not diligent in the Truth from reaching spiritual maturity. If we are diligent, the same way that weird statements in something someone is saying to us or writing would stand out, the foreign elements would seem awkward in the context of the Bible.

For example, in John 7:53-8:11, something would not sit right with a story that sounds like that. At the end, the Lord Jesus does not condemn her? He forgave the man suffering from the palsy before healing him. He commanded the man he healed in John 5 to stop sinning or face worse consequences. In other words, even when He does not say that He does not condemn them, He does not even imply that He does not. When He forgives, it is because He saw faith. When He heals the man who was an invalid, it is because of the same. Why then is it said that He does not condemn here? In a way, it is because people want to see that He is not harsh on sin, but the Lord Jesus really is, as we see from Hebrews 13 and Revelation 2-3, at least.

Another example is the "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do" statement. That also attempts to make this Jesus a forgiving Jesus Who bears all sin with little demand on the sinner. In fact, not a single person is forgiven who does not ask for it. Although the Lord Jesus paid the price for all human sin, only those who ask for it receive forgiveness on the basis of that payment that He made.

These are some examples of additions in the Bible. Doctrinally, they conflict with the rest of the Bible, but even scholars who translate from the manuscripts can tell today with the technology we have where the text has been corrupted. So we don't need to continue to labor under such errors.

Finally, as I said before, there is less than 1% of the text that is corrupted like this. So the believer is quite fine even if he lacks such scholarship. If he is obedient enough to submit to a gifted and prepared pastor-teacher, then he will also grow spiritually and mature and bear fruit for which he will receive the three eternal crowns that all believers are promised if they finish the course well.

OkCornel:
I guess the testimonies of many others should be counted as lies...

OkCornel:
I also guess I must have committed a grevious error in believing "ask and ye shall receive, seek and ye shall find"

OkCornel:
Absolutely no worries at all...

LordReed:
Thou art blest my dear buda! Thou hast filled my soul with more than bread!

OkCornel:
More testimonies from nairalanders;

OkCornel:
Am I?

Was asking questions there...not forcing my view point on him though.

See how the whole conversation played out eventually...

Ihedinobi3:
Mark 16 ends at verse 8. The rest of the chapter (and it has different endings with some longer than others in different Bibles) is an addition to what was originally written.

OkCornel:
Which one? The Bible with only 66 books? or the one with the Apocrypha...

Since the Bible was written and compiled, Has Jesus stopped showing Himself to people?

jcross19:
you are baby !!!!!! you have myopic and shallow sense of reason and your reason faculty is very poor! for comparing Jesus to Elisha ! Elisha is a definition of weakness that did not hesitated to exercised his power over the poor kids compare to Jesus that was beaten even pleaded on their behalves , instructed his followers to do the same if not Peter would have not been nailed on the cross? ! the love of Christ is not in you! Elisha is a prophet without holy spirit, 1corinthian 13:6-13 ! you are just nothing without love in you!

Shepherd00:
I harangued you? Budaatum, if there's anything I've tried to do when I discuss is to focus on the Op.