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mdsocks:
He was an individual like me and you, he was bound to sin
All prophet sinned in one way or the other but God forgived them.

I wonder why the insert quote did not suply this interesting thread of yours. I just opened my yes more and saw it. Yu can't escape.

Wait, so you admit he was just a man. Truth be told, md, I am sure you would be better in character than MO. So for God's sake, why do you still remain there. Cant you just see that MO only fulfilled his personal desires as much as he could? In all aspects, he is so inferior to Christ, why settle for less?

On a more cordial note, i really do not see reasonings that can justify islam. MO was not a prophet. His lifestyle tells you that. He did not reveal allah - allah existed before him. So, he just used people under a false pretence of being inspired. You will agree with me that he could nt get his facts right and co-ordinate his thoughts on many things and that explains the babaric sayings you have when you go deeper into the hadiths.

The hadiths, which Muslims claim also cam by divine revelation, if exposed here would throw you into serious shame and confirm to you that islam is both a sham and a shame. The hadiths severally passes MO for a lunatic rather than a revolutionalist. It confirms why to a logical reader, th quran is humiliating tothe intellect with no style of prose, beauty, literature orderings, adn so on.

My guy, Jesus loves you.

mdsocks: i can see that you don't understand your bible atall
The Bible can attest to his coming

“The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken.” (Deuteronomy 18:15)

. In fact, i dont know where to place this comic relief. I honestly enjoined that comedy scene. I almost rent my breast with laughter.

In you feeble bid to hold on to a bleak straw of hope, your imams have tried desperately to bundle Mohammed into the bible by fire by force. Must you be this dishonest and mischievous? Let me help your dropping memory with that same scripture which you woefully failed in juxtaposing like your quran of potpourri.

“[b]The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken.” (Deuteronomy 18:15)[/b].

For starters, I hope you undertand the meaning of the words boldened.
A). The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee. How on earth or in God's name is MO from the midst [/b]of the Isrealites? Or do you want to interpolate and transmute his Quarysh origin to the Jews?

B.) [b]like unto me. This is simply amazing and finally nails your coffin. Oftentimes we have asked you to show us the mighty works that your false allah used MO to perform. Till tomorrow, you chase shadows trying to modify MO's character to fit a little bit with that of Jesus or Moses in this case. We all know how Moses was used of God to perform many mighty miracles. If indeed, MO was like Moses, we would have expected similar traits in seeing the acts of God being demonstrated but what do we have? A failure, who declard emhatically that he was just a man like you mdsocks

So, sorry my guy, you need to go get a little more lectures on desperation and survival.

mdsocks: John 16:13 “He will guide you into all the truth.”

Oh! MO has suddenly become the Holy Spirit ehn? God forbid that that unholy serial killer, pedophile tyrant would be the Holy Spirit. Okay. Lets look at this. If you are quoting the words fo Jesus here, at least ou must be true to yourself by knowing what Jesus called it. At least Jesus was referring to the Holy Spirit. Was MO a spirit?

mdsocks: We accept he was born by a virgin but not God only a prophet
If jesus was born of a virgin woman and called God then what should we call Adam who was created neither from a father nor a mother , then Bigger God ? you make me laugh

Go on and give yourself some transient relief. FYI, We do not call him God because He was born of a Virgin woman. Your mind cannot comprehend biblical truths so no need to even give you some expositions. Thank God no christian has said Adam is bigger than God. I am hearing it from [b]md socks [/b]for the first time!

mdsocks: evidence?

Oh! Evidence that he had 22 women in his enclave? I am so sorry, I wont give you this one. It ony shows you are not a scholar in that which you profess. I even wonder why a sane woman would offer herself to some who was not normal and handsome by any standard - shey you know his teeth were removed during a particular raid where his mouth was struck with sword, na small h remain, MO for die. Go and check up the history of his fights with the Meccans!

The sinful life of MO as established the sura's i gave earlier would suffice. Masticate that one and blush over it

The Jesuits:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=75506.msg1573715#msg1573715


The Jesuits. hmm.

ow11: C'mon such statements are uncalled for. how can u be certain that your own denomination is founded upon Jesus?

ow11: besides all denominations have their roots in the RCC. they still celebrate christmas on the 25th, and use special oils like the catholics so why would u say the church is wanting.

e be like say you dey dreamland.

ow11: The growth of the church is phenomenal that alone should prove God is there.

Growth in anyway does not show that God is there. Does the fact that you fail an exam mean that you ar dull? Or does the fact that a thif is getting richer mean that what he is doing is right? Ponder over this please.

Infact, let me help you with a few tips on why you have RCC growing:

The power is in the Confessional and Purgatory. That pagan doctrine is what gives people a false sense of security that you can sin but in as much as you confess to a priest, you are forgiven. That marks the rush and zeal for confession by the average catholic. Purgatory too is working. At least i know how much you pay to your priest to say either a high or low mass to get the souls of your departed out of purgatory ( a demonic doctrine) which gives a way of scape for a sinner. I wonder how rich you priests and bishops will be now. By the way ask your Bishop which one he belongs to whther na One mass Society or three Mass Society

ow11: The Bible is one very queer book that takes a lot to understand and that in itself causes a lot of confusion. what we have are just copies of copies. Thus, one interpretation cannot be said to be final and all others wrong

Just the usual response of a moribund IQ. Why not read the few things yourself and let the Spirit of God take over than rely on some men in the Vatican who have decided to keep your intellect under lock & key and spewing out lies all in the name of religion?

Okay more comparisons using the reverred texts of the two religions exclusively:

Prophecy:

First, the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus wre clearly prophesied in the Old Testament (OT) accorsing to the New Testament (NT). Sevral examples will siffice. Micah 5:2 gives us the very name of the town in which the MEssaih would be born. On the day Christ died, no less than 33 OT prophecies were fulfilled.
The coming of Christ was preceeded by the coming of John th Bpatist according to Isaiah 40 and Malachi 4

What do we have for Muhammad: a start contrast, nothing, nobody prophesied his coming not even soothsayers No OT or NT prophets. The man is just no where to be found!

Births:

The birth of JEsus was miraculous in that He was conceived by the Holy Spirit in the womb of virgin Mary. The Quran and orthodox Islam fully accepts this. It is only in modern times that we find HERETICAL [/b]muslims groups who deny and ridicule the virgin birth. Yes I call them heretical because they go against their reverred texts.
What do we hear aout MO: he was the product of semen!

[b]A Sinful MO:
Where is it in the quran that MO was sinless? In Sura 18:110, MO was commanded by allah: Say, I am but a man like yourselves. Sura 40:55, Allah asks MO to ask for the forgiveness of his sins?

Sura 48:1,2,

Lo! We have given thee,
(O Mohammad) signal victory,
that Allah may forgive thee of thy sin,
that which is past and that which is to come,
and may perfect his favour unto thee, and guide thee on a right path.

MO was full of all sorts of evil vices and guiles.

What do we have of Jesus, no sin! John said, behold the Lamb of God, in whom there is no guile. . When before Pilat and Herod, they had to invent charges as they could not find a single sin against Him.

On Beauty of Speech:

When you study the speeches of Jesus as given in the Gospels, for xample, the Sermon on the Mount, you would find that Jesus was a very great speaker. Even his nemies had to confess that no man ever spoke as He spoke.

Of MO: All you see are estatic, confused speeches and nothing outstanding. Nothing matches the beauty, substance, or style of the way that Jesus preached.

A High Moral Example:

Th way Jesus lived and was willing to di for sinners has given us a high moral xample to follow. MO nko? A lifstyle lower than that of a beast that you would deem as immoral and completely unjustly.

Killing or Robbing:

Jesus never killed or robbed anyone. According to the quran, MO killed, maimed and robbed.

Coercion:

Christ never used physical violence to force people to believe His message or accept Him as the Messaiah. As a matter of fact, when Peter (erroneously called the first pope) took out his swords, Jesus told him to put it back into its sheath that physical violence was not the way of His kingdom (See Matt. 26:51-54). What do we have of MO?

On Taking Another Man's Wife:

Jesus did not do this. Mohammad had 16 wives, 2 slaves or concubines and 4 other women who just gave themselves to satisfy his lewd sexual desires.

Very many mor jare. I no fit type again.

[b]Babs, [/b]if you are true to yourself, forget the staks you hav in Islam already and seek salvation in Christ Jesus alone. He will save you and forgiv you all your sins.

Backslider:
I dey my brother.

I know why i keep the name.

That name dey scar me

ajadrage: On the issue of atheism, I will not defend those that claim atheism neither will I judge them. I believe that before a rational, reasonable adult would take a decision to believe in their unbelief a lot of thought must have gone towards it even to the very point of questioning the very essence of one's existence.

More often than not, those who come to this conclusion do not have morals. They only do so in ordr to justify their fleshly and carnal lusts andfree themselves of all encumberances. They dont want to be mind-troubled concerning their wayward lives. Others who do not belong to this category only try to reason out God whereas they cannot answer so many qustions about themselves.

ajadrage: As a result of the many misconceptions and misrepresentations that has been handed down throughout the history of mankind as to the kind of belief systems that best suits our composite definitions of society, the real truth as to origins has been beclouded and it is in this state that modern man has sought to question the very reality of a supreme deity responsible for the design of existence in which we are witness of even as of the present.

The quest to know the ethereal is what God himself has deposited in man. The bible says that He (God) has planted eternity in man's heart. Man cannot know rest until he satisfies his appetite with som higher powers. That is how man has been wired. The fact that you dream and see funny things while sleeping should tell you that there is more to life than meets the eyes. How else, once asleep ordinarily, you should be blank - but that is not the case as we have revelations in sleep. This is spiritual. Science can only tesselate the idea of dreams/visions.

ajadrage: In some ways, I quite understand the mindset of the atheist and I have been priviledged to have intelligent conversation with a few and I dare say that some of these guys are more spiritually enlightened than most who claim to be devout adherents of the many world religions.

I beg to differ. May be someone can tell me the correct definition of an atheist. Where does the spiritual come in for an atheist?

ajadrage: It is my belief that deep down in the mind of the average atheist is still that one great yearning that the real truth as to the mystery of our existence be laid bare and open for all to grasp and understand and not to be shrouded in some secrecy and mystery as is the present practice of world religions.

I hope yu are not referring to Catholicism here. They are th ones deeply rooted in secrecy.The Christ of the Gospel had no secrets. He blew them out in the open! So, a normal Pentecostal church today which is founded on the bible would tell you evrything and hide nothing from you. With their two (2) hour service, you would have known whether they err or not.

ajadrage: The founders of most (if not all) of the worlds major religions might have had some sort of communication and relationship with some supreme spiritual entity, but their surviving followers have done a hash of a job in the dissemination of the message of their masters.

While this is corect, it implies that we therefor need to be able to se things for ourselves when w study the various texts held in high regards by the various religions. In them, we should expct to see the original intentions of the various founders. We should see their lifestyles, speeches, IQs, morals, judgement on day-today issues, and also their assurance of salvation. If what ths brings out is bad news and serious contraditions after a thorough study, we should renege and run for our dear lives.

It is not enough reason to stay aloof! All you need do is take them, disect them, prayerfully seek divine guidance and not make harsh decisions basd on your own meagre k-base.

ajadrage: I for one know that were Jesus to be alive today, the entirety of Christiandom would be strangers to him. Same might apply to other religions as atheism is a rebellion against all established faith based belief systems irrespective of type or denomination.

I beg to differ here again especially with the words in bold. Jesus tells by His Spirit and His Words where you err till today. He is not passive, he is very much active than he was when he was on the earth as a man. So, what he said we should do, we practice.

ajadrage: The atheist I do not begrudge, the teaching of religion and it's twisting of divine truths and it's close association with the nations, now that I will not condone. I only hope that those who claim atheism would in time with the impartial and unbiased knowledge gained from study and research (and not the blind atheism that has no basis in arguement and sense), most of these guys will come to the realisation that no matter your religious affiliations, the God Jehovah still answers questions. And one day all your questions shall be answered.

AMEN!

HORUS and DIOS,

You people are here again? A God who is confided to a sect of people is not worthy to be called a god lt alone the Omnipotenet. Your Annukis or gods are perhaps for the black pagans but Our God, the Jehovah Nissi, Elshaddai, Zidekkenu is our God. The Awesome, Omnipotent, Omnipresent,Omniscient God.

Praise him.

I think nwado and Pilgrim are strong enough for this thread. Let me just watch from the sidelines. These comedians wan slit my belle with laughter like one angelic being slit MO belle during him childhood

drrionelli: What I seek to determine is this: There are many manifestations of faith which are not Christian. And, I ask this in the spirit of seeking knowledge. Which is right? Which is correct? Which is the one in which one should believe?

Concerning differet manifestations of faiths for theists:

Every normal human being, not humanoids or androids have a fair knowledge of what 'God' should be like. If you take a poll, you would agree with me that the proponents of the existence of God would be more than the opponents and these pro-God would rather ascribe or expect the God in question to have certain attributes including ove, peace, compassion, powers, authority, and othe extra-ordinary capabiliities. Since many also believe that the God in question cannot com down in physically, he must have messengers or prophets (as we are wont to call them) and these carriers of the 'God-news' would have the exact attributes of that God. In other words, we would expect to see that God in the prophets/messengers' way of life, his words, actions and thought patterns.

That was just the background. Now to the main thing.

When studying faiths and belief you consider the following:

[list]
[li]What statements of the prophet can we hold on to that gives us assurances of salvation[/li]
[li]what certainties do we have from the prophet concerning himself and that of those who follow him[/li]
[li]what lifestyles of the prophet is worth emulating[/li]
[li]what are the implications of the sayings of the prophet and their sacred texts on peace with my neighbours[/li]
[li]What are the levels of relevance of the doctrines of the religion to normalcy and reasonability today[/li]
[li]What is the nature of the birth of the prophet and what does he call himself.[/li]
[/list]

These questions are perhaps not exhaustive.

Now weigh all the prophets side-by-side these guidelines and tell me whch you think can stand the test of time with all assurances. Judge for yourself.

drrionelli: Now, this is based on an assumption that there is a right faith in which to believe. To that end, how does one determine that his/her is the definitive one not only for him/herself, but for all others?

Also, I beg that we all consider this: If one's belief is, indeed, the only way to believe, at the categorical exclusion of all others, then doesn't that make atheists and theists a lot more alike than different?

I think my contribution above should now suffice

[quote author=@tomX]I'll let you answer your poser yourself (since you claim to be or used to be Catholic) so here are some clues to help you along
Who is the First Pope of the Catholic Church? (ans = Apostle Peter)[/quote]Kai!!!! Heresies!!!! What sources? The same blind lies that your popes and bishops have told you. Ask them for concrete evidence, they just grope and babble in darkness. Why do you guys choose to rvel in your gullibility and not just ask for once from these tyrants of your why they have sought to keep your intellects under lock and key?

One more thing: ask yourself for once when did Peter call himself to be the VICARIUS FILLI DEI? Bring on your sacred texts or traditions (I know you have never see some of those devilish writings) and lets put them to the firy fire of God's words. Bring them on!

[quote author=@tomX]How did he die? (Ans = On an inverted Cross)[/quote]Now these are androids talking. You be machine? So that Peter (that you rroneously call your first pope) decided to die upside down makes his cross the one for you to choose. Which is greater? The cross of Jesus or the cross of Peter? Which is more important? In your normal sense would you not rather go for the cross of Jesus than the cross of Peter?

Okay. Enough of that. Please dust up your thinking cap, put it on and do some deep research on the origin of the inverted cross in the Vatican. These things are already blown out in the open. Can you be more knowledgeable in the doctrines of the church than someone who has spent 50 years in the church of Rome whom God pulled out?

All the best.

[quote author=pilgrim.1]@Tayo-D,

That is what the many Catholic lay-readers are told - and they believe it! [/quote]Those guys can swallow anything. Is it a spell or sheer gullibility?

[quote author=pilgrim.1]However, I'd like to chip in here as a reminder that the RCC regards the POPE more than what the Bible shows us about Peter. If indeed these issues are based in "historical" antecedents, we would like to ask simply:

WHERE did Peter claim to be Vicarius Filii Dei?

Surely, we should have read also that they would be following historical traditions to remind them of Peter; but we know that Peter never spoke of himself as what the Vatican calls the Pope.[/quote]Point.

[quote author=pilgrim.1]But there's more to the cross upside-down. We shall see this as we go on.[/quote]Yearn us more my dear sis when it is still hot

drrionelli: I've noticed something that strikes me as odd.

The overwhelming majority of the postings with respect to the subject of atheism, both here and in other threads of this type, have a propensity to compare and/or contrast atheism with Christianity. I invite you to take a look--why are there so few references made to other religions? Is not atheism, by its very definition, inconsistent with non-Christian faiths as well? Perhaps it would be interesting to hear points of view which represent other, non-Christian vantages.

Its no oddity my guy. This may be probably because the guy in question used to be a former christian and the ripostes had to b in that light as well.

drrionelli: That being said, allow me to raise another question: To any person of theistic belief, are those who do not share your belief considered to be compromising to your way of thinking more or less than one who holds no belief at all?
In other words, what is more disturbing to a Christian--one who believes as a Muslim or a Buddhist, for example, or one who is an atheist?

The position of a christian is this, Christ is The Way, The Truth & The Life. Nobody comes to the Father, EXCEPT through Him. No other way. Whether a- or theist, in as much as it is not of Christ, it is the wrong way. Its not a matter of liberalism that others are wont to preach thes days. Its no 'self-consciouness' thing neither is it a religion of all-inclusion. You are either in Christ (and gain access to the Kingdom of Heaven) or you are locked out! May younot be locked out in Jesus' name!

[quote author=Ascony ]Atheism is a very complicated issue and it takes extreme reasoning to understand its concepts.[/quote]why?

[quote author=Ascony ]For you to understand atheism, it cannot work by typing and sending in forums just like we are doing.[/quote]why noy not?

[quote author=Ascony ]finally, all i can say is that dialogue is the surest way to remedy this situation.[/quote]Dont run away o. Go and employ a typist if that will resolve it.

[quote author=ajadrage ]Job might have been the first atheist documented, but he made a choice to keep on believing the One, true and living creator. Una go make that same decision sooner or later, no mind Babylon and all her followers.[/quote]AMEN to that prayer! AMEN!!!

[quote author=viee ]I'm not so sure Cgift will be impressed with this explanation. . . . .[/quote]You sure know that!

[quote author=viee ]may be you should have said that it is a way of idolatry by the daughter and sons of Pope
who are defiantly hell bound[/quote]Viee, you are perhaps happy that your popes and bishops are inverting the gospel. I am sure if they hand one over to you, i mean an inverted cross, you will proudly hold it in your hands to say mass.

[quote author=Tayo-D]The above quote is a case in point. The cross may [/b]have been inverted so as to remind them of the way that Apostle Peter was crucified, whose seat the Pope is believed to be occupying. I believe you are aware of the fact that Apostle Peter was crucified. He requested to be crucified upside down saying he is not worthy to be crucified in the same way His Lord was crucified.[/quote]How I wish that is the driving force. But its not! Permit me to halla you these two points:

[b]A.) Would you venerate a creature or the creator? Even if Peter was the first pope (as they erroneously claim), would it rather not be hellish to now venerate a man rather than Christ, whom the same man venerated and honoured even in his death?

B.) The invereted cross smacks of occultism and withccraft. The reversal of the work of Christ. During certain periods in Christian Europe, especially the Middle Ages, worship of demons and the practice of witchcraft brought the practicing of diabolical rites, such as the Black Mass. The Black Mass is mass said in reverse and with an inverted crucifix on the altar.

Like we have always told the catholic apoligiss on this forum, the church has been infiltrated with very many demonic doctorines. The 'faithfuls' here see these things but they keep mute. I just hope a spell is not working like magic in the Eucharist they serve them.

[quote author=Tayo-D]So you see, many of the traditions are very likely based on historical events which the Catholic church should be commended for recording. Without them, a lot of things which are the heritage of the church would likely have been lost.[/quote]They have brought more evil than good my bros. I know they have a good recording of the number of christains they killed during [b]the Inquisition.

[quote author=Tayo-D][/b]The only problem is that such historical events are made into traditions and incorporated into worship at the expense of the Word. This is where they go completely astray.[/quote]May God find Oby1, viee, ebos, carlos, lawyer, orobo, and others. etc

Yearn dem well.

A point for consideration is that the vatican (the LovePeddler of Revelation which will definately be the place of the anti-christ) is in some clandestine operations. Their modus oprandi is as such incognito. Like the words of Napoleon, they are a military organisation rather than a religious order. They might hav had good intentions but no doubt, they are now th devil's concubines and God has exposed them thse latter days.

No matter the documents any body or cult may have concerning anything, if it is from God, it would not contradict what he has said because he is the same yesterday, today and forevermore. The Vatican would always say that its traditions are more superior to the bible - a very sad development. It might however be interesting anyway to have their views on creation. I am yet to com across any of their claims on that subject matter.

Christ re-iterated that his kingdom is not of this world despite having all powers to do so. He simply refused to loose focus as he had and still have greater plans for humanity. The unholy and lewd desire to declate a state religion, perhaps universal is what led the papacy in the past to matyr xtains. They have no regrets for this as they are soon going to repeat the saem thing as the world powers submit their sovrignity to Rome. Rome will come up again. Its traditions are still very much alive through the Vatican. Though they had th opportunity to witness a life-changer amidst them then, they subjected him to the most gruesome pain and shame; murdered him. This time, as Rome comes up again under a theocracy, they shall, together with the antichrist, fight against Christains but shall now be defeated and that of course, forever!

Though a global conference of world religions come to the fore, it will not help issues as these matters appeal to the softest parts of men's minds. Of a truth, the world would have known better peace had christianity (not the type catholicism tried to enforce but the one Christ himself demonstrated) being a its religion, but it is only a wish. Christ comes at the end of times to restore the earth to what God's original intentions for creating Man and the universe was originally.

The best we can do therefore is to preach the gospel to all creation - but seeing that faith is a hard thing, you are left with no choice but to love and pray fro the one that refuses your gospel.

Cheers.

Carlosein:
okay now. but guys i have to go.

see you soon.

Bye.

Why dem go give u dat kain name sef? That nam be like the place wey dem Pope take kpai millions of christians because dem read bible; Dem say because dem say eucharist na symbol instead of the real bodi and blood of Jesus. Pope! You wicked oh!

Don,

Will you stop wasting network resources? You are making me change my opinion about you from being a gentle man to a rascal. Why not be descent enough to have your worried cured in one breath on the main thread rather than just littering your seizures here and there.

Pls be civil.

Do you know that MO almost committed suicide? Babs and Don Maselo? Your 'reverred' prophet almost committed suicide because of his seizures.

It must have been under on of those seizures that the 'divinely inspired' hadiths has it that MO instructed you people to drink camel's urine

mdsocks: @nwado
copying and pasting a translation of what a fool wrote would not earn you nothing,
Afterall we have been instructed of the likes of you

Ok. Are the ones from the quran also written by fools? . _{(i wan kpai with laughter)}

.

This level of blindness makes m

The bible on the other hand dos not give credence to anyother religion or writing. Is this a stamp of slfishness (to help our wailing muhammedans) or a STAMP OF FINALITY AND AUTHETICITY!

I really do not take this people seriously for a major reason that the Qur'an gives authority to the Bible:

The Qur'an, itself, the highest authority for all Muslims, gives authority to the Bible, assuming its authenticity at least up to the seventh-ninth Centuries.

Consider the following Suras:

Sura Baqara 2:136 [/b]points out that there is no difference between the scriptures which preceded and those of the Qur'an, saying, ", the revelation given to us, and Jesus, we make no difference between one and another of them."

[b]Sura Al-I-Imran 3:2-3 [/b]continues, "Allah, He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus), as a guide to [b]mankind. That is your koran! Tells us the the area of covrage of the mission of Jesus thereby corroborating Pilgrim's incisive rejoinders to you.

Sura Nisaa 4:136 [/b]carries this farther by admonishing the Muslims to, ", Believe, and the scripture which He sent before him." In Sura Ma-ida 5:47,49,50,52 we find a direct call to Christians to believe in their scriptures: ", We sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him. We sent him the Gospel, Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein, if any do fail to judge by the light of what Allah [God] hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel, " Again, in Sura Ma-ida 5:68 we find a similar call: "People of the Book!, Stand fast by the law, the Gospel, and all revelation that hath come to you from YOUR LORD. It is the revelation that has come to thee from THY LORD."

To embolden this idea of the New and Old Testament's authority we find in Sura 10:94 that [b]Muslims are advised to confer with these scriptures if in doubt about their own, saying: "If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee. The truth had indeed come to thee from thy Lord." And as if to emphasize this point the advice is repeated in Sura 21:7, stating, ", the apostles We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration. If ye realize this not, Ask of those who possess the message."

Finally, in Sura Ankabut 29:46 Muslims are asked not to question the authority of the scriptures of the Christians, saying, "And dispute ye not with the people of the book but say: We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and that which came down to you."

If there is anything in these Suras which is clear, it is that the Qur'an emphatically endorses the Torah and the Gospel as authentic and authoritative revelations from God. This coincides with what Christians believe, as well.

So, if you quarter-baked islamists now come to say a different thing entirely, it just goes further to show the confusion which is birthed in MO himself. If your quran attests to the fact that your pedophile prophet does not know where he is going after the end of his miserable life together with the believers (yu know he said it himself - and dont ask me where it is in the quran), he gave legitimacy to the virgin birth of Jesus, i wonder why someone would prefer to remain an underdog despite damning evidences even from his own highest book?

I wonder how a man who had epilepsy and convulsions would receive revelation from a sane God - the God of the bible would not subject a man to seizures of epilepsy all because he wants to communicate a message to him. If you likfe feign ignorance of the way he claimed to receive 'revelations'. By the way, babs and co-islamedian apologists (kai! i don kpai english language), give me a small lecture on the acclaimed slitting of MO's breast

Enigma:
PS the teaching that Christ was just a man with 'anointing' (hence "Jesus Christ the anointed one and his anointing" is another soothing nice sounding heresy coming from people like Ken Copeland and Creflo Dollar. It denies the truth of New Testament and Biblical revelation of the person of the Christ, the Messiah.

Pls Enigma, i would like you to summarise the heart of the message of these people you mentioned above pls cos I know that the Christ (meant The Annointed One).

[quote author=www_pastor link=topic=83554.msg1594507#msg1594507 date=1192709816]The worst calamity to befall our generation is to have
unbelievers who think they are believers
and preachers who do not preach the Christ and Him crucified.[/quote]The daughters of the pope perfectly fit into thes category. They think they are believers. Their leaders are leading them into the pit. Revelations have been made known to them and no one can deny knowledge of the truth now especially among those who have taken time to read our ripostes.

They no longer preach Christ as the most merciful but Mary. They preach Mary calms Christ down in his fury! Probably their Christ is of a different order from the one in the scriptures which the bibles attests to of being full of grace and truth in John 1..

They would rather present christ as being furious. Is that not evidently heretical? They preach Mary as being an intercssor for them - who intercedes for the Christain according to the Holy scriptures?

It goes without saying that they only worship idols and that is further corroborated by the images, scapulars, and whatever you have.

At an idolater lvel, it would have been better - the Vatican, the papacy is deeply into occultism. Me i have always asked one question: Why is the cross of the seat of the pope inverted?.

The fact that there is a fake like you claimed can only suggest that there is first an original!

Lets hav the tunic sofa so that we can sing with you

Horus:
Considering the number of Bibles in Nigeria,if we burn all the Bibles we can produce electricity by combustion for free,and this will solve energy production problem in Nigeria.
Regardless of the type of Bible-burning appliance you purchase, it and its chimney should be professionally installed, and they should be inspected and cleaned at least once a year by a technician certified under the Bible Energy Technical Training (BETT) program.

Horus, that was a good one. It made me smile. I know you dont have anything called light in your covens . You are a Paul in the making

[quote author=Tawak ]then try Q'uaran[/quote]Sorry to disappoint you. there is nothing in the Quran that adds value to morals and peace.

Ascony: Sincerely, i was just an ordinary evangelist not pastor chris. it seems like u watch too much religious movies.

Lol! Nice snipe at me! Unfortunately bro, i hardly do. I sleep more often than watch TV. My Audio-Video is not sophisticated

Ascony: my brother, its a long story. it was a gradual process though. but all i can remember is that it all started from the bible. i began to see certain things that led me to ask certain questions that no had no reasonable. then i concluded with one answer 'something is definitely wrong somewhere'.

You had probably wanted somthing to be wrong. Permit me to say you sound as if a sword was dazzled before you to commit you into doing those rituals without an inherent [b]revelational knowledge [/b]of what you were doing.

Ascony: When I was still a Christian, I studied the bible with all my might, because I wanted to know God more and to serve him in truth and in spirit. I loved God; I trusted and believed in him, I did my best with all my heart to make sure that he is pleased with me. Sin was omitted in my life and I overcame almost every temptation of sin that came my way. My conscience alone will bear me witness of how dedicated I was to this service. I even got to the extent of preaching the gospel to my friends, relations, and people around me. My entire dream was to be a righteous man in the sight of God and man.The bible was my best friend then, I cannot go anywhere without my bible, even when I am lying on my bed, it is under my pillow. I don’t just carry the bible around; I read it more often than any other book, I never doubted that the bible is the word of God, full of wisdom and vital knowledge.

Commonplace Rhetorics.

Ascony: Then one fateful morning, as I was about to pray as usual, I was reading the bible when I accidentally bumped across a portion in the bible that changed my entire perception in a twinkle of an eye. At first, I thought it was the work of the devil, to turn my mind away from God, but later, I began to realize that I was about making the greatest discovery of my life.

I respected God and I never doubted him in anything, I never said anything bad about God nor had I ever been in contact with anybody that does not believe in God.
All my life, I have longed for the truth and the real answers to life, I thought that God was the answer, but on that fateful morning as I read that portion, I began to give life a much more deeper thought.

Ascony: It was in the book of Job21: 7. He wrote and I quote “why does God let evil men live, let them grow and prosper? They have children and grand children and live to watch them all grow up: God does not bring disaster on their homes . . . . They live out their lives in peace and quietly die without suffering”.

That question is perhaps the simplest of all as far as I am concerned. Has Jesus told you that he came to pluck out anybody that was not in submission to him? No! During the period of the law, God gave so many conditions that were expected to put everyman in order and 'coerce' make them to serve Him. He stated categorically in most cases that any violation of some of those laws would lad to instant death or immediate penance. This was followed with utmost diligence by the Isrealites.

But the law had a limitation, Rms. 8:3; For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:.

The law could not change hearts which is the main ingredient of transformation that God wanted.

He already knew the way out. He had to bring in grace by the death of His Son. With grace, we could now love God. The love of God is not measured by your works. Your works and rituals can only be effective when hinged upon his grace. It becomes frustrating when you live by efforts. But when you live by grace, his love flows.

Back to the main issue:

Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Job, out of his frustration cursed the day he was born! No one could have been subjected to what he went through without almost doubting the his faith. He was mere human like you are. What if that had happened to you, as it did Job, I guess you would have committed suicide? You know the rest of the story, Job did not sin against God. He was restored.

The scripture above gives us the answer, God gives man a long rope of repentance as Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.


God is not interested in the death of a sinner but that he should come to the knowledge of his saving grace.

Ascony: From that very first time that I read this portion, there was an instantaneous change in my way of thinking, a million questions flashed in my head at that very moment. I pondered over this verse throughout that whole day but couldn’t make out anything reasonable from it. I asked myself this question that Job was asking but couldn’t find any meaning answer to it.
I tried to find answers from anybody who I think might know, but no one knew the answer or gave me any reasonable explanation, everything they said did not make any sense rather it got the whole thing more complicated,
from that point onwards, i began to discover more and more contradictions in the bible than i never imagined. (i could just go on my brother but i'm not a good typist)

Why do you think Job did not sin? He knew God was real. He knew God as the one who Alpha & Omega who can do all things (but not lie). So he restrained himself. He could have listened to the voice of his wife who adviced him to curse God and die! He did not. He knew God was real.

Let the wheat and the chaff grow together. Perhps, someday the chaff might have a change of hearts and become as wheats.

Ascony: nothing was created, everything that exists has been and will always be.

By what supposition? Why have they always being? Do you know what brings about sleep and why you know nothing while sleeping? My summation: You cant hav answers to very question of life. That makes life more than what meets the eyes. There is the spiritual. Have you seen magic in display before? By what powers?

Ascony: life is nothing but a cycle of evolution. oh! u think that the amoeba cannot exist just exist without being created by God abi? then if God created the amoeba, then something must have created God, and if something must ahve created God, then something must ahve created that something that created God, and if something must have created that something-------abeg bros, i am tired of typing, i think i have made my point.

Life is not an evolution. Because you where not there when your father was born, you need a documented evidence to tell you how,when,where,etc., he was born, You need birth certificates and among other things. You do not say he has always been. He was born! He has not always been.

The bible is our documented evidence of creation. What i should expect you to do is take all the accounts of creation from all other sources of faith and try weighing their accounts and see whether it can be re-created. No one can create life! Scientist have tried but to no avail! It is only God that can.

Also, your summation that if God created Amoeba, then somehthing must have created God is not strong enough. However, the story of God's creation is too enigmatic as it is beyond our scope.
I have been in sessions watching demons/familiar spirits leave people. I have seen it, it is not hearsay. I mean practical acts of exorcism through the name of Jesus Christ. I beg, it Christ is more real than what I can see bro. Is it today that doctors have being condemning patients only for the a supernatural cur to come to what they had condemned? Doctors who are true to themselves would explain to you that they have too many cases they cant explain medically. It transcends the physical into the ethereal.

Life was created it has not always being.

Seun:
Religion isn't going anywhere.
Unless scientists learn how to create life or something.
Then it's going to evolve into something more sinister!

But the truth is they cant create life! Th most basic component of life in the most basic or simplest cell which is proteins composing amino acids can never be created by thm scientists. Though the create amino acids, the ones they create cant come together to form a protein.

Miller tried it and failed!

God pass them!

The little i read of Ignatius, he could not have been a catholic!

Ascony: Very soon, just very soon, this generation will witness the age of reason. The age when faith and religion will be abolished as if it never existed. The age when mankind will look for better ways to make life more meaningful rather than depending on some unseen deity to intervene in their circumstances.

I am sorry to dissappoint you. What are your assumptions bfore that conclusion? Do you think we have not already been living with that. In how many of the developed nations do you think their scientists depends on ethereal powers? Do they attribute their developments to supernatural powers or prowess?

Ascony: Intellectuals all over the world are now begining to apply reason to belief systems, unlike some centuries ago when freethinking, skepticism and atheism was more like a crime.

There is more to life than meets the eyes. Man is not natural. Man is spiritual. Applying reason to belief systems is only necessary when you have a system first in place. I dont know of Islam and the rest but i know the bible urgs us to reason, put on our thinking cap, and search things out ourselves. If there was anything clandestine that ought to be hidden, it would not have given such a command.

Anyon who practices atheism, free-thinking and others which do not glorify God do not commit any crime against humanity but against themselves cos they will be too shocked at what awaits them. Just live your life the way you like but the things which are beyond you are more numerous than the things you can control.

Ascony: In the earliest times of which we have definite history, everybody believed in many gods. It was the Jews who first introduced the belief in only one god. when The first commandment was new, it was very difficult to obey because the Jews had also believed that Baal and Ashtaroth and Dagon and Moloch and the rest of other gods were real gods but were rather, wicked because they helped the enemies of the Jews. The step from a belief that these gods were wicked to the belief that they did not exist was a difficult one. The jews once believed and had faith in these gods but they gradually gave them up because they realised that they were fake. sooner or later, this would be how we would also come to the realization that our present gods are also fake and would have no choice but abandon it just like the jews abandoned their former gods.

Its a pity that something like this is coming from a former acclaimed christain and evangelist (i presume you are the one). Have you ver being in a practical session of deliverance before to know whether demons scream and run away at the faithful use of the name of Christ? You must be kidding me to deny the poweer. You probably had a form of godliness then but denied the power. 2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. The words of God is not theoritical, it is active 1 Corinthians 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

I am so sure that the villages you had visited and one or more of the converts you have had (if any) would be able to give you practical demonstrations of Christ's powers. I am sure one of your 'children' in the Lord can bring you back.

Ascony: In america today, 95% of the populace are believers while just the rest 5% are either atheists, agnostics or humanists etc. Given the fact that America is about 300 million in count, the number of non believers will then be about 15 million people. Did u hear that? 15 million just in America alone? canada, australia, and many other countries in the world are also growing rapidly in the number of unbelievers.

Oh! You are seeking members of what? It can only reduce. Rather than the knowledge of God decreasing, it will be the other way. For God's knowledge shall grow and covr the earth as the waters covers the seas. You will be dissappointed dude.

Ascony: though Africa seems to be the least growing number due to the fact that this opium of religion is hooked on us and has deluded us to even forget the fact that this religion was introduced to us by this same people that are now abandoning it. But that does not change the fact that there are many atheists in Africa, its just that they are scared to come out in the open. But someday they will free themselves and come out of their closet to stand firm on their belief.

You wont understand. I know you dont understand. No worries. We shall take the gospel back to them. Yes, they brought it to us and then later abandoned it. We shall take it to them. We already are! Local churches are spreading their tentacles abroad more than ever before. I would have loved to take you deeper to show you the schemes behind the plot for the degradation of America and Europe but not at this time. It is a grand design. It is in prophecy and thos of us who live by and understand prophecy know what is happening. We can see the hand of Jacob but the voice of Esau.

Ascony: @ ajadrage ansd horus, keep it up guys. we shall make it someday.

Again, i tll you, you will be shocekd.

Yes! Na serious question. I know Horus doubts anything that is Christ's and now he coms telling us of some evils in the Vatican. Let me see how he intends to face the fight against an occult.

oby1,

whats that supposed to mean? Is it hard to understand? I had put two questions to you arlier but you would not buldge:

I put them again to you:

Which of these two statements will you pick as a child of God?

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[li]I hereby submit myself to the Bishop of My Diocess in recognition of his superiority over me. I swear that I shall obey him and honour him as my spiritual leader as he directs me in the ways of God and salvation in the Catholic church[/li]
[li]I hereby submit myself to the Bishop of My Diocess in recognition of his superiority over me. I swear that I shall obey him and honour him as my spiritual leader as he directs me in the ways of God and salvation in the Catholic church in as much as his directives are in accordance with the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ as given in the Holy Bible.[/li]
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Backslider.

Long time no see.

I thought by now you would changed that name? Can you tell your christian friends that you use such a name on nairaland?