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I pray that god helps you to find the truth in Jesus' name. AMEN.

alliednetw:
Talking of the depth of the nigerian stockmarket,this market cannot take any share that will come out for over 260naira($2)per share.
An I.P.O by MTN may not be priced below 500naira per share considering that MTN's current share price is R113.55(about $17)
Who will pay 2000naira per share for this Naija?

I think this makes a lot of sense.

jerrymania,

Is your hitting out at that Rosucrutian akin to abusing or denigrating him? He may kill if that is tried?

[quote author=@tomX ]Lagalisation of sin, please how does confession of sins and subsequent absolution for the penitent sinner equate to Legalisation.[/quote]The confessionl? That's a different ball game entirely. Cos i know the numbr of priests that have fallen through that means. I know the lewdness of too many priest who bask on the confessional to draw young female penitents to sin through the questions they ask. LEt me leave that issue for another day if God permits.

Back to the bone of contention: Have you heard of St. Liguori? Do you know that he said interalia, that a priest is permitted to fall seldomly in his book the Duties and Dignities of the Priest? and that such a preist should not be interdicted or excommunicated. Why do you think they hardly interdict pedophile priests/bishops in the RCC? Do you know the only punishment they give them is to transfer them to another diocess entirely?

St. Liguori also said that you can lie under oath in another of his publication. So what do you call that? Isn't that a legalisation of sin. Will get the book for you if you care. He states the priest is a superhuman but is allowed to fall into sin once in a while. Go and study more about the writings of St. Liguori which is one of the recommended publishers of the Vatican. Probably your priests may have it. Go and ask him.

[quote author=@tomX ]Every catholic I know has a bible and every Catholic Church I know Provide Bibles and bulletins for the benefit of the congregation and here you are boldly saying the Catholic church discourage the reading of the bible.[/quote]But the same bible you claimed to canonise cannot support any of your ridiculous doctrines. Isn't that comical to you? If what you do cannot be traceable to Christ's sayings/teachings or any of his disciples, then it is overtly satanic and cannot be of God. It is of the anti-christ.


[quote author=@tomX ]Escape! Yes Escape from your ignorance [/b]and hold your peace!![/quote]You have IGNORANCE in abundance because you do not know even 2% of what catholicism is. We are exposing the secret of the Vatican to you and you are hre blindly arguiing and whinning on what does not hold water. Your serpent in Moses time, did they bow to it?
[b]
Let me put a poser to you amidst others: why is the cross of the pope inverted? Look at most of his seats? Is the cross inverted or not?

Many other posers are out there for you, go and answer them.

Horus,

Your posts have been helpful since i told u to get serious the other time _(kidding). But let me ask you a question,

Do you believe in all of these posts that there is of course the spiritual power of evil raging the VATICAN? If you do, what do you have as a meaasure of defence against their diabolical acts when confronted with an occult?

Nun Oby1,

Jesus Loves You. Remember, catholicism is not of God. No need to be headstrong in this. Its foolhardy to now know all these things and not run to Jesus Christ for help. I know God is already dealing with you from the inside. He wont stop until he has gotten hold of your spirit to mak you depart from them.

With love.

DIOS and IDINRETE,

Whhich part of focussed's post is drawing your ire? That USA and EUROPE is (was) a christian coutrny?

OK. Let me help him out! USA was founded on purely christain principles which unfortunately they have tried to wash away according to recent happenings and frequent changes to their constitution. The earliest presidents of the USA where noble men who supported very deep christain virtues. Cross-check that yourself. The one I know of, Abraham Lincon was mudered by the Jesuits (soldiers of the pope) because they saw that he was a pain in the neck to them. There were several undue intereference from the office of the pope of Rome because the constitutions of the USA is at co mplete variance with the tenets of the Vatican.

We all know that Europe is not a single country.

Back to the topic. We are saying that the architects of the Christianity is Christ. He never supported violence. The nly incident where violent occurred was when he was to be apprehended by his murderers. To that he told Peter: He who kills by the Sword shall de by the Sword and he took the ear of the person who was affected and put it back. Despite the situation, he never lost his powers. H just had to submit du to his mission on earth.

The architect of Islam is Mohammed. We all know the rest. MO supports violense, forceful subjugation. Islam itself means suppression, submission and hence, you are told that you should kill anyone who does not admit to allah (a false god) who was already in existence before MO was born; you are told to exterminate if an Infidel mocks muslims or allah,

So what are we talking about? We draw therefore two main inerences:

1. We do not worship the same God
2. The god of the muslims cannot be the true peaceful, loving God the Christians know.

Many thanks,

Oby1:
Infourmer thanks i think i'm off from this thread before they cut me to pieces because i'm a catholic. Bye

You lie, its God's words that will cut you to pieces, not our physical swords, the bible says in

Hebrews 4:12 [/b]For the word of God is quick, and powerful, [b]and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.


Red: that's what is cutting you to pieces and will surely continue until you find the true rest in Christ Jesus alone
Green: that's why the Vatican's secrets are being made open for all to see. What the do in the secrets is being declared on the roof tops.

To Ascony, our former evangelist:

At the various periods you went evagelising, can you share with us any one of your experiences where you had to contend with evil or diabolocal powers? Have you any of such an experience?
What point marked the exact turning point of your life? What occassion, or experience or act?
Where you coerced into "giving" your life to Christ?
What was propelling you at that time?
Finally, since you now claim there is no God, can you please tell me how the simplest cells (like an Amoeba) came about using any principle, science or anything.

Lets start with these questions.

Quoting focussed:

So Rahman what do think about this ? Is Islamic religion not a satanic religion ? God have mercy

My guy, many of them already know that it is a satanic religion that bathes and berths in hatred and blood. That is no gainsaying. But it takes the love of christ to have their eyes opened.

Oby1:
Holy Spirit enlighten the darkness of our intellects by your power so that we may recognize the gospel for what it truly is. We pray that our faith in Christ may grow ever stronger and more perfect. AMEN

Oby1,

We are still friends aren't we? Why is that when i ask you questions you do not reply? Okay lets keep it cool and aswer this question:

Which of these two statements will you pick as a child of God?

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[li]I hereby submit myself to the Bishop of My Diocess in recognition of his superiority over me. I swear that I shall obey him and honour him as my spiritual leader as he directs me in the ways of God and salvation in the Catholic church
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[li]I hereby submit myself to the Bishop of My Diocess in recognition of his superiority over me. I swear that I shall obey him and honour him as my spiritual leader as he directs me in the ways of God and salvation in the Catholic church in as much as his directives are in accordance with the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ as given in the Holy Bible.
[/li]
[/list]

Please in all honesty reply me which you think you would choose in an act of submission to your superiors.

"ARE ALL THESE REALLY ADHERED TO,"

The answer is both Yes and No.

Oby1:
Pilgrim.1, cgift and others be very careful so that the wrath of God won't come down upon you, God is a merciful God and also a consuming fire.
I pray you retreat your step before it gets too late for you (You are goint too far).

Oby1, I know for sure now that you have seen all the lies of the devil being paraded before you everyday in your masses. I think its high time you swallow your pride. These are sinister revelations. Its just a pity you do not have any depths in Catholicism. Its the same with vry many of catholics.

I have told you, everywhere you turn to in RCC, it is evil, vice and heresy. I thereby invite you sinc you now know these things with this scripture : Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Oby1:
My dear that is what true Christain is all about (Love the greatest)

And what does the catholic church know about love? All they do that is the similitude of love is to capture people ti them down with their heresies. What do you call a church that condemns and anathemises anybody who is not a member of the church? Is that love? A church that has as one of its canons (the innocent proselytes on this board do not know the canons and article of faith of their church anyway) that you must be forced to convert or exterminated if you do not confess or agree with all of the catholic faith tenets including believing the "Immaculate Conception" and then "Assumption" of Mary?

Pleas do not preach that kind of unity please. The only sane thing to do with Catholics is to preach the gospel of salvation and escap from the damnation ahead.

debosky:
I recommend All Nations Full Gospel Church http://www.anfgc.org/

The Church is sound, with excellent teaching and spiritual training, and a good place to grow in the Lord. I've attended the Toronto church a couple of times, but I'm actually a member of the Ottawa congregation.

Please ensure you try as much as possible to pray and receive confirmation from God about the church. Many churches on the outside appear as sheep but are actually wolves in sheep's clothings. Again, th name "All Nations" smacks of an "all-inclusion" kind of faith. I mean, many churches i have seen who bear that kind of name actually have ties with other forms of religion like Islam, Catholicsim, etc. Beware.

Search all things and be sure you are not signing your soul to a place that will cost you dearly.

Just a piece of advice anyways.

Horus:
Bible

Martin Luther's translation of 1534 was burned by Papal authority in Germany in 1624.

I wont be surprised if their is the stamp of the papacy in most of these attempts to ban the bible. All their concordats with various government would have that clandestine motive. Remember also that that was the main reason for the carnage in Europe in the middle ages.

You cant fight againt God and win. You may think you have won, its only an apparition - its not real and permanent, it will fizzle out. Instead, christinaity thrives amidst opposition.

My people,

Those who often support the argument that God dos not exists usually are of the class of those who cannot control their lust and do without a sinful and shameful livs. So all they try to do is counter every proposition that seems to portray their unholy behaviour in bad light.

Another set simply try to hold on to the flimsy straw of logic that says because they can see him, they cant explain him. The same set of people, especially those who are science-orinted try to bring up all sorts of crappy theories that the same science itself has countered and rendered invalid to prove that their is no God. Some say proteins built up and overtime like say billions of years to become an organic broth. Yet thy cant create a single cell which contains hundreds of amino-acids which can only be joined together in a living organisms.

It is imperative to say here that it is impossibl for the intelligent things we see around us like the eyes, even the simplest of all, a single cell to be formed by accident. Miller tried it in his expriment to create the basic component, amino acids but failed as th various amino acids formed could not even bond together to form a cell.

You cant contain what is beyond you and that is the weakness that they (atheists and their apologists) have. Christians know Jesus, they see him work daily in their midst and lives. They know him and relate with him. It seems very esotric yet, it is very simple when we submit our intellect to him.

Seek him and you shall find him.

[quote author=slybase ]There iis NO religion that does not borrow from a previous religion.[/quote]Please hold on! The religion of Catholicsim is the one that not only borrowed, but imported verbatim the traditions of the heathen religions and only changed the name of the subjects and objects. Every other thing is the same. You probably do not have a good grasp of the history of your church. Let me help you a little. The romans worshipped the Sun god named Apollo. He was also their healing god. The changing of worship day from Saturday to Sunday was premised on this god as well since its worshippers worshipped it on Sundays. In ordr to them undr the guise of "christainity", they had to import most of the traditions held back then as well as worship the day they are sued to. So, to the new 'christains' i.e., the old worshippers of Apollo, they could still tolerate the 'new' religion in as smuch as they still see their symbols of worship, and on the same day.

[quote author=slybase ]For all of you that claim to be Christians, better know that as Jesus said, "No bad tree can produce good fruit". If Catholicism is bad, then your Chruch can never good, except Jesus lies.[/quote]You are obviously mistaken here. Why that lame assertion? The [b]christains [/b]have weighed the various lying traditions of the church of rome and seived them in line with the revelation of the Gospel of Christ according to the Holy Ghost's guidance and have since done away with the RCC's demonic traditions and you say all other churches are bad. What a way of interpreting that scritpure!

Do you know whom yoour first pope was? What circumstances led him to that position? Check his background vry well and com and tell me if that church was founded upon Jesus in the first place.

The RCC is found wanting very area you turn to.

To alliednetw,

If Mary is the Queen of Heaven, i think the position of the King of Heaven should automatically be transferred to Joseph her hubby! No be so?

tomX,

My guy, you sound like a liberal catholic. Were you a priest, you stand to be uncerimoniously interdicted and excommunicated and branded an heretic. Your popes have said sevreally that anyon who does not believe in anyone of the traditions that have been instituted is already anathemised.

More lucidly, the traditions you have on pugratory, infant baptism, works as a means of salvation, the various blasphemies of the papacy, the unwavering devotion to mary, the legalisation of sin, the displacement of the second commandment which nullifies making and bowing down of/to images, the history of the RCC, and the avowed discouraging of reading the bible and interpreting it except based on what the popes and the slaves of the popes, priests say it is, is just some of the dogmas that shows the RCC is not of God.

The truth is, the doctrines of the catholic church is just same as that of pagan worship of those days xcept with a change of names. These things are too clear to see.

Escape!

[quote author=pilgrim.1]Well, I don't remember where I might have categorically stated that the Pope will be the anti-Christ. To be sure, the Vatican is orchestrating his appearance and work; [/b]but then, if people are interested in considering the position of the Popes in Biblical prophecy, pilgrim.1 would only be too glad to to share views.[/quote]That's correct. The unholy trinity is going to be as follows: Satan, The father; The Anti-christ, The son; The Prophet, their Unholy ghost.

[quote author=Tayo-D]I totally disagree with your apparent stance that the Pope will be the Anti-Christ. It just doesn't make sense. If anything, the Bible is clear that the antichrist will be first and foremost a politicain/stateman, before he will metamorphose into a spitritual leader.[/quote]You will be shocked! In Revelation 17, the woman sitting upon the beast tells you what it is. [b]Woman [/b]describes or refers to a [b]church [/b]while a [b]beast [/b]is a [b]nation. The woman rides upon a meaning the Church rides upon a nation and they are one. Where on earth do you have a church that rides upon a state?

The Roman Catholic Church is the Woman and the nation; Vatican is the beast. So, me think it is first a spiritual leader who would then transpose into a political / economic leader. The beast has seven heads; the heads reprsents hills (vs 9). Vatican City is sitting on seven hills( I can give you the names of all the hills). The pope is the head of the Vatican government. The pope's title adds up to the number of man 666. If we strecth things further, i think Pope John Paul II has a vry special case in all of these though he is dead.

This is just a summary. I can start unravelling the depths if need be.

Chers

Nushi77:
I don't judge it but I don't like the way they handle Mary statue.
For it is written:
EXODUS 20:4.Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:

I dont know what is difficult to deciphr in that singular commandment. But do you know it is not in the Catholic version of the 10 commandments, that command has been removed?

What about the a pinch of the workings of the Jesuits I have put here? Car t osay anything bout them?

INfourmer, i want to fault you there please.

Catholics very clearly have several things they worship albiet unknowingly by most of them. Check the religious board and read our engagements with them on the RCC. They hav transferred all worship to Mary and has made teh Word pf God of no effect in their lives. D you know thy tell you that their traditions (doctrines) though cannot be substantiated by the bible, is greater than the bible!

How can you then say they worship God if their traditions invalidate the scriptures whic hthe bible says is God? They are against God and his words in effect and are therefore anti-Christs belying the Word of God. Check it out yourself.

dreamnaira:
cgift

Yea, to getr the startling revelation my friend you have to submit yourself to the will of God and ask the Holy spirit to give you that heavenly enablement to understand the Bible.

God help me to understand your Words in Jesus' name. AMEN.

KAG:
Evidence?

e be like say you be novice. Just do some googling on The INQUISITION. Do some serious search on the history of the papacy. You will be shocked!

For starters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_SbJRn5jE8

If i were you, i would take shots from his assertions and post them here so that we can trash them acordingly. I am so sure they will not be different from the same things you guys have no answers for here.

A cursory look at his claims shows that he advocates the same things we have dutifully refuted here and funny enough he goes on to say that the RCC has been around for like 2000yrs whch means that they are getting something right. Its just like sying that evil has been with mankind from the time of Adam that means that evil must be right. How lame!

Anybody can convrt to anything. All other religions of the world also have converts if not daily that does not make them right. We would only refer you to the scriptures which unfortunatly you and your leadership invalidate. How many who got converted from the RCC would we want to bring to you? We have lost count!

Bring it on dreamnaira, lets have the full grasp of your startling revelations before commenting.

Oby1: You have so many anti-catholic books and website you have designed to persecute the Church of God. Is only the one that has your time will go through all the lies.

You are just being obstinate for no useful purpose. You remind me of what your bishops have sworn to the pope that when they see black and the pope calls it white, they will agree with the pope that it is white whereas their intelligence tells them it is black. Is that not cultism? You are doing the same thing. In the face of damning evidence, you are saying w are concoting lies. Refute them with facts and not trying to whip up sympathy here.

Oby1: Any website you post i don't read.

And you want me to read your own abi? No qualms. "Protestants" will read your posts because they have not thrown away their "reading-capabilities".

Oby1: You in particular i pray that God will have mercy on you because you don't know what you are doing.

Dont worry, the attention will soon shift to somebody else , How do you man i don't know what I am doing?

Oby1: Catholics don't ever read any of their post, ignore it they are all full of lies you can go through the stories of this man of God who later saw the truth in Catholic church and revealed the lies of the protestant.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1096019/posts

But you can't read ours abi? Good.[quote][/quote]

Horus:
The Illuminati [/b]have nurtured a child, [b]Satan’s son, who was born on 6 June 1966 at the Dakota House on 72nd Street in New York to the Rothschild/Kennedy families. The [b]Pope [/b]was present at the birth and performed necromantic ceremonies. The child was raised by former US. president Richard Nixon and now lives in Belgium, where it is hooked up bodily to a computer called ‘The Beast 3M’ or ‘3666.’”

Brussels, in Belgium, i.e., the capital of the EU. Amazing! The EU is the ten heads that will soon bow to the soverigneity of Rome. I like this. The fulfillment of prophecy of Daniel & Revelation. The riegn of the Antichrist is aout being offered in full force.

Oby1,

this is specially for you to ponder upon.

Extreme Oath of the Jesuits

"When a Jesuit of the minor rank is to be elevated to command, he is conducted into the Chapel of the Convent of the Order, where there are only three others present, the principal or Superior standing in front of the altar. On either side stands a monk, one of whom holds a banner of yellow and white, which are the Papal colors, and the other a black banner with a dagger and red cross above a skull and crossbones, with the word INRI, and below them the words IUSTUM, NECAR, REGES, IMPIOUS. The meaning of which is: It is just to exterminate or annihilate impious or heretical Kings, Governments, or Rulers. Upon the floor is a red cross at which the postulant or candidate kneels. The Superior hands him a small black crucifix, which he takes in his left hand and presses to his heart, and the Superior at the same time presents to him a dagger, which he grasps by the blade and holds the point against his heart, the Superior still holding it by the hilt, and thus addresses the postulant:"

Superior:

My son, heretofore you have been taught to act the dissembler: among Roman Catholics to be a Roman Catholic, and to be a spy even among your own brethren; to believe no man, to trust no man. Among the Reformers, to be a reformer; among the Huguenots, to be a Huguenot; among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist; among other Protestants, generally to be a Protestant, and obtaining their confidence, to seek even to preach from their pulpits, and to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and even to descend so low as to become a Jew among Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for the benefit of your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope.

You have been taught to insidiously plant the seeds of jealousy and hatred between communities, provinces, states that were at peace, and incite them to deeds of blood, involving them in war with each other, and to create revolutions and civil wars in countries that were independent and prosperous, cultivating the arts and the sciences and enjoying the blessings of peace. To take sides with the combatants and to act secretly with your brother Jesuit, who might be engaged on the other side, but openly opposed to that with which you might be connected, only that the Church might be the gainer in the end, in the conditions fixed in the treaties for peace and that the end justifies the means.

You have been taught your duty as a spy, to gather all statistics, facts and information in your power from every source; to ingratiate yourself into the confidence of the family circle of Protestants and heretics of every class and character, as well as that of the merchant, the banker, the lawyer, among the schools and universities, in parliaments and legislatures, and the judiciaries and councils of state, and to be all things to all men, for the Pope's sake, whose servants we are unto death.

You have received all your instructions heretofore as a novice, a neophyte, and have served as co-adjurer, confessor and priest, but you have not yet been invested with all that is necessary to command in the Army of Loyola in the service of the Pope. You must serve the proper time as the instrument and executioner as directed by your superiors; for none can command here who has not consecrated his labors with the blood of the heretic; for "without the shedding of blood no man can be saved." Therefore, to fit yourself for your work and make your own salvation sure, you will, in addition to your former oath of obedience to your order and allegiance to the Pope, repeat after me---

The Extreme Oath of the Jesuits:

"1, _ now, in the presence of Almighty God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed Michael the Archangel, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the holy Apostles St. Peter and St. Paul and all the saints and sacred hosts of heaven, and to you, my ghostly father, the Superior General of the Society of Jesus, founded by St. Ignatius Loyola in the Pontificate of Paul the Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the virgin, the matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear, that his holiness the Pope is Christ's Vice-regent and is the true and only head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and that by virtue of the keys of binding and loosing, given to his Holiness by my Savior, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose heretical kings, princes, states, commonwealths and governments, all being illegal without his sacred confirmation and that they may safely be destroyed. Therefore, to the utmost of my power I shall and will defend this doctrine of his Holiness' right and custom against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority whatever, especially the Lutheran of Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and the now pretended authority and churches of England and Scotland, and branches of the same now established in Ireland and on the Continent of America and elsewhere; and all adherents in regard that they be usurped and heretical, opposing the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now renounce and disown any allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or state named Protestants or Liberals, or obedience to any of the laws, magistrates or officers.

I do further declare that the doctrine of the churches of England and Scotland, of the Calvinists, Huguenots and others of the name Protestants or Liberals to be damnable and they themselves damned who will not forsake the same.

I do further declare, that I will help, assist, and advise all or any of his Holiness' agents in any place wherever I shall be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, England, Ireland or America, or in any other Kingdom or territory I shall come to, and do my uttermost to extirpate the heretical Protestants or Liberals' doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, regal or otherwise.

I do further promise and declare, that notwithstanding I am dispensed with, to assume my religion heretical, for the propaganda of the Mother Church's interest, to keep secret and private all her agents' counsels from time to time, as they may entrust me and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or circumstance whatever; but to execute all that shall be proposed, given in charge or discovered unto me, by you, my ghostly father, or any of this sacred covenant.

I do further promise and declare, that I will have no opinion or will of my own, or any mental reservation whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the Militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ.

That I may go to any part of the world withersoever I may be sent, to the frozen regions of the North, the burning sands of the desert of Africa, or the jungles of India, to the centers of civilization of Europe, or to the wild haunts of the barbarous savages of America, without murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all things whatsoever communicated to me.

I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.

In confirmation of which, I hereby dedicate my life, my soul and all my corporal powers, and with this dagger which I now receive, I will subscribe my name written in my own blood, in testimony thereof; and should I prove false or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and fellow soldiers of the Militia of the Pope cut off my hands and my feet, and my throat from ear to ear, my belly opened and sulphur burned therein, with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on earth and my soul be tortured by demons in an eternal hell forever!

All of which, I, _, do swear by the Blessed Trinity and blessed Sacraments, which I am now to receive, to perform and on my part to keep inviolable; and do call all the heavenly and glorious host of heaven to witness the blessed Sacrament of the Eucharist, and witness the same further with my name written and with the point of this dagger dipped in my own blood and sealed in the face of this holy covenant."

(He receives the wafer from the Superior and writes his name with the point of his dagger dipped in his own blood taken from over his heart.)

Superior:

"You will now rise to your feet and I will instruct you in the Catechism necessary to make yourself known to any member of the Society of Jesus belonging to this rank.

In the first place, you, as a Brother Jesuit, will with another mutually make the ordinary sign of the cross as any ordinary Roman Catholic would; then one cross his wrists, the palms of his hands open, and the other in answer crosses his feet, one above the other; the first points with forefinger of the right hand to the center of the palm of the left, the other with the forefinger of the left hand points to the center of the palm of the right; the first then with his right hand makes a circle around his head, touching it; the other then with the forefinger of his left hand touches the left side of his body just below his heart; the first then with his right hand draws it across the throat of the other, and the latter then with a dagger down the stomach and abdomen of the first. The first then says Iustum; and the other answers Necar; the first Reges. The other answers Impious." (The meaning of which has already been explained.) "The first will then present a small piece of paper folded in a peculiar manner, four times, which the other will cut longitudinally and on opening the name Jesu will be found written upon the head and arms of a cross three times. You will then give and receive with him the following questions and answers:

Question —From whither do you come? Answer — The Holy faith.

Q. —Whom do you serve?

A. —The Holy Father at Rome, the Pope, and the Roman Catholic Church Universal throughout the world.

Q. —Who commands you?

A. —The Successor of St. Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the Society of Jesus or the Soldiers of Jesus Christ.

Q. —Who received you? A. —A venerable man in white hair.

Q. —How?

A. —With a naked dagger, I kneeling upon the cross beneath the banners of the Pope and of our sacred order.

Q. —Did you take an oath?

A. —I did, to destroy heretics and their governments and rulers, and to spare neither age, sex nor condition. To be as a corpse without any opinion or will of my own, but to implicitly obey my Superiors in all things without hesitation of murmuring.

Q. —Will you do that? A. —I will.

Q. —How do you travel? A. —In the bark of Peter the fisherman.

Q. —Whither do you travel? A. —To the four quarters of the globe.

Q. —For what purpose?

A. —To obey the orders of my general and Superiors and execute the will of the Pope and faithfully fulfill the conditions of my oaths.

Q. —Go ye, then, into all the world and take possession of all lands in the name of the Pope. He who will not accept him as the Vicar of Jesus and his Vice-regent on earth, let him be accursed and exterminated."

Are you glad that your St. Francis was a Jesuit? Oh! You must b clapping for all Jesuits now I guess.

seeu: Pilgrim, I hope you didn't snap those pictures, I know you browsed them. So, if you think the pictures are not doctored, then provide link to them. However, it will be better to find out why such pictures were carried and what purpose the man of God had in mind, that is if at all the pictures are real.

You may need to help us with a probable reason why your bishop may have carried a skull dressed in the the paraphenelia of his office and then holding it closely to his chest.

seeu: I have read so many Catholic threads and I discovered that mostly Pilgrim and Cgift are bringing curses upon yourselves. You cannot claim to be knowledgeable than the Catholics. I don't know what two of you and the rest hope to achieve.

We do not hope to achieve anything other than exposing evil and making innocent ignoramuses come to the knowledge of what happens deep inside the VATICAN! If it touches a soft spot inside you like it did lawyer, you can have a rethink about a religion whose most "sacred doctrines" are shady and cannot be explained from the scriptures.

Making you see the truth has now turned to an invitation of curses? That must be from the "sacred" book, HOLY FATHERS (Have you read it?) Never, i guess. What do you know then? I am sure you hav not started being a catholic. If we cannot claim to be "more knowledgaeble" than catholics, then prove your knowledge to us. Show me, I want to see your k-base.

seeu: You have ridiculed the Mother of Christ, Popes, the Anoited Men Of God, Angels and Saints of God, yet you feel God and Christ Himself will be happy reading all the insults.

The one being exposed here is not the Mother of Christ. It is the mother of the RCC, the queen of Heaven (the demon imported from pagan religions) that has now been adapted to be the mother of Christ. Mary the earthly mother of Christ remains honourable. She is no longer Christ's mother after her physical death. It is demonology to assume she was carried into heaven in her fleshly body without proof! Where did that come into the church!

You sound very desperate gasping for a survival straw. Do you know that even the Vatican has anathemised certain earlier popes in recent past? If your popes where "infallible" how come putting a curse on a heretical pope? I'm afraid your house is not in order then. The vatican ridiculed her popes by herself!

seeu: You are here seeking for members and to rubbish Catholic Church due to your ingnorance and the FOOLISH knowledge you got from your SELFISH and Satanic Pastors who have brainwashed you guys.

Thank you. You probably have my church [b]CGIFT CATHOLIC CONVERT MINISTRIES [/b]in your backyard to say we ar looking for members. _{(i no fit laugh)}. My pastro brainwashed me abi, its still better becasu i have my brains (its only washed) but Catholics have removed their own brains and submitted it to the popes. They therefore cannot anymore think for themselves but depend on what their confessors, priest, bishops tell them to be the "truth".

seeu: I don't know if you are paid to deceive people.

Its good to see people accepting your submissions. It is mostly rewarding. No monetary rewards sir!

seeu: when the punishment of your actions will come, you will say enemies have come. There were people like you who condemned Catholic Church in the past and most are now Catholics. You have exposed your ignorance so far and I think you need to kneel down and ask for forgiveness.

forgiveness? ok but not to your priests

seeu: Your actions are exposing you more and more and where you belong. You are of sure possed with evil spirit and only prayer will save you. The more you feel you can ridicule Catholic church with you childish knowledge of the bible, the more Ctholics understand what you are up to. If someone post anything now against Pope or any of the Catholic Bishops, you will quickly support it without making any effort to find out if it is true.

Why don't you just refute our 'allegations' instead of crying foul here? Evil spirt? Can i come to your pope for deliverance? I know he cannot cast out the smallest sickness let alone a devil? He tried it recently, it failed, the demon in the victim remained incalcitrant. Your pope is powerless, not a single work of miracle from anyone of them has been recorded or seen, yet them claim say them be the VICARS OF JESUS, obvioulsy a different Jesus! Dem no dey folow the teachings of the biblical Jesus. Period.

seeu: You are a typical enemy of the Catholic Church, and your satanic posts (you and Cgift) will only deceive the simple ones, but no strong Catholics who understands their left and right will be deceived by you.

Its the other way round, catholics who understand their left from their right are the ones with their minds intact and when they see this thing (i give my respect to lawyr, an intending priest who just backed out), they retract froom these falsehoods. It is the ones who do not know their lft from their right that remains there because that is the overall aim of the Papacy: to make robots out of you people - can't you see they are succedding in large strides?

seeu: The bible foretold the likes of you. Your prentense has been unmasked. You are pretending to be a Christian but you are a charlatan Christian.

What? So you think it is you catholics that are christains? What is the simplest definition of a christian? One who is like christ and follows his teachings isn't it?

Which of Chrsits teachings talks about bowing down to the statue of Mary?
Which one talks about infant baptism?
Which one burns people at stakes for owning a bible and teaches that non-catholics are infidels and persecute them _{(hoping you know the hostory of your church)}?
Which of Christ's teachings admonishes the use of incense?
Which of His teachings calls for use of scapulars?
Which of ? I can go on and on.

seeu: No real Christian will behave like you except those Pastors who brainwashed you and your likes will behave the way you do right now. I pity you and those Pastors. At the last days, you will sure see Pope rejoicing in heaven.

How can? He has sold his soul to the devil. Why does over a dozen of his titles individually equal 666? Why dos he see himself as God on earth? Why does he blaspheme? Why does he say he can forgive people's sins?

seeu: You and those angels of Satan should continue in your ignorance that Pope is the Anti-Christ. It is not your fault. I blame those Pastors who taught you this crap. You all said after Pope John Paul II, the one that would come after him must be anti-Christ, but today the new Pope is bouncing in the Lord. After this present Pope, the nest one will still continue to bounce in the Lord.

No one taught me. I taught myself! Teach yourself too! Oh! i guess the bible is too difficult to understand for you like your other catholic apologists.

seeu: The anti-Christ will surely come within you guys. Your Pastors who are know for rituals will be the ant.ichrists, and you all are aready dining with the anti-Christ elements. Mark what I have said now.

Ok. Be daydreaming. FYI, not one of your vituperations is worth a pinch in the salt, why do i have to mark it?

seeu: Woe to your Pastors for they have led many astray by their preachings and attacking the true men of God in Catholic Church.

You have suddenly become Jeremiah with your resounding WOES! Where as you have ignored his call for you not to trust in man. You trust in your popes, bishops and priests. They can't save you becasue they themselves (most) have not experienced the saving grace of Christ. It is you who should run from WOES. It is written, cursed be anyone who puts his trust in man.

And you have taught to gladden your self with the statement that you hav true men of God in the RCC. I am glad to inform you that the true ones have since left! Go and read "50 years in the church of Rome by Charles Chiniquy whom your bishops begged to become a bishop. I can send it to you because it may be hard to find. I don't mind the cost. Send me your add. seriously.