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Infourmer:
He Delights in Your Prosperity

Today's Scripture

“Let them say continually, Let the Lord be magnified Who has pleasure in the prosperity of His children” (Psalm 35:27).

Halleluyah! I also like the translation which uses welfare. I am happy!

Backslider:
I don't have a point. Jesus Has a point.

I just hope somebody never kolo

Backslider:
The Issue is do we are African have that type of hair? If it is bad for the Men then it is also bad for the women. No where in the bible said we should look like white people.

Backslider, do you wear suits? If you do, that is emulation because its the white man's attire! You are also trying to be like them

Dios:
Our forefathers didn't worship idols, how hard is that to understand. They worshipped Oludumare and Chukwu through the the other minor gods like osun,eshu etc. When it seems they were worshipping trees and whatnot, they were just worshipping the energy that created all things, the essence of God. Y'all christians do the exact same thing when you call on jesus, but you're are so blinded by christianity that you don't see anything good in your own history. Did you know your ancestors built the pyramids in Egypt and the jesus story was just blatant plagiarism, they stole the egyptian story of horus and sold it to you as jesus, gave you the bible and called it the truth and the saddest part is y'all[b] are to scared to look back into time and learn about our true history.[/b]

Danger IN Our Society,

Sorry. I hav gone too far in Christ to now look back. Its too late

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=84960.msg1607174#msg1607174 date=1193075176]Did you read the original post, or you just imagined to be seeing stuff? What did the OP state? See:

Does God ask us to keep the UNITY of Deception? Have you considered the laced deception of Catholicism before asking questions? [/quote]Pilgrim, i beg, this one na 'calf' hin never reach cow yet o. Make you no use 'solid food' choke am.

davidylan:
Blabs is on the verge of repentance . . . he must be thoroughly ashamed of mohammed by now.

By now he should have seen that his rejoinders are rather exposing him to ridicule. Imagine what he said inresponse to my post:

babs: Startling as it may seem, at one time the word read "Periklytos" and "Paraklytos", which is the name for "Muhammad" in Greek. Surprising? It should not be because both words mean "Praised" or "Celebrate," the meaning and character of the man Muhammad.

If he is claiming that those greek words have the same meaning as the name of MO H then is almost making me purge here because i have not seen intelligence this mortified. What is that? Does he think he is discussing with his kids in the islamic kidergaton schools? Name translations now the way to go

Now if on the otherhand you mean that those words were referring to MO and not just name translations, then the duplicity and lying nature of MO and his subjects is catching up with them. I can see that you have gone to the net to plagiarize materials written by liars; people who give you inspiration. Unfortunately, you think you are smart but that inability to put forward your own original thoughts shows how empty your shell is and why you are not worth being taken seriously.

What the Muslims have tried to do with this word is to replace the vowels as they see fit (replacing the a-a-e-o in parakletos [/b]with e-i-y-o in periklytos). Can you see how unfortunate you are? Trying to put what is not in the bible into it. This is a shame on you. In Greek, as the vowels are clearly written in all Greek texts. Where did you get the scripts or bible that uses the word [b]Periklytos? [/b]In fact the word [b]periklytos [/b]does not even appear at all in the entire Bible!

Going further, the Quran confirms that MO is not the Holy Spirit. Sura 2:97 says that Gabriel brings down the revelation, while Sura 16:102 says it is the Holy Spirit. So Muslims say that "Holy Spirit" is just another name for Gabriel. Therefore Muhammad cannot be the "Holy Spirit" and comforter who was promised by Jesus because the Holy Spirit cannot be both, Gabriel and Muhammad.

[b]So who is the parakletos?
When we read John 14:16 and 16:7, we find that Jesus predicts the specific details of the arrival and identity of the "parakletos".

First, Jesus said the parakletos is not a human being:
14:16: "he will be with you forever" (a human doesn't live forever)
14:17: "he will be the spirit of truth" (a human is not a spirit)
14:17: "the world neither sees him, " (a human is visible)
14:17: ", nor knows him" (a human would be known by others)
14:17: "and he will be in you" (a human cannot be within others)
Finally, Jesus said that the parakletos has the specific mission of pointing to Jesus:
14:26: "whom the Father will send in my name"
14:26: "will remind you everything I [Jesus] have said to you"
16:14: "He will bring glory to me [Jesus], "
There is only one being who qualifies in all these areas, the Holy Spirit!

Apart from these dubious defenses that would have sent you to jail where you putting them before a judge in the court of law due to th inconsistencies and lies, your prophet is just confusd about his call? I had asked earlir, how can we authenticate the call of MO? Is it allah who appeared to him as a human or angel gabreil or the Holy Spirit who called or is it angels (plural) that announcd his call and gave handed down the quran? Babs, its as if MO vomitted you from his mouth because you are just like him (you should be happy that you hav taken after your 'prophet'

Babs, you need to face up to real facts. Investigate facts before you post them so that you will not dent the personalities of other people bearing babs

My people, that guy's comments should just be taken with a pinch of salt. Nothing intelligent in the offerings just akin to the lack of intelligence and order lacking in his quran.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=84914.msg1606752#msg1606752 date=1193068087]@topic,

I was just imagine how people would react if the topic was (or another thread was open for):

Imagine A Worldwide Ban on Qur'an!

Lol. . . just musing. [/quote]Imagine A Worldwide Ban on Qur'an!

Ha! Allah wakubaru Babs shall slice your heads and give in offering to allah!

Scopium:
I've often wondered why the striking similarities between catholics and muslims. For instance they both use chaplets, are strongly bonded together and they have dedicated classes for teaching their children up to adulthood. Hmm beats me. Is there any link between the two?

Similarities plenty die! You wan try? Yo neva "hear say" Catholic monk bin train MO?

Oby1:
i don even ask am whether e dey get time for God

marissa:
Pilgrim, are you unemployed?!

Again, these are grossly unintlligent questions? For all you care, she could be making more mony than you I think she is just smart, analytical, detailed and brisk in unsettling the fallacies of your leaders and establishing your humanoid nature as catholics. No worries, just take some pills as you read on so you dont collapse

marissa:
Pilgrim, are you unemployed?!

Oby1:
i don even ask am whether e dey get time for God

You weaklings

She is just smart and thinks very quickly unlike some people that have nothing to offer just wasting network resources

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=82814.msg1605657#msg1605657 date=1193052157]Do dream on. Have you forgotten that Muslims also kill Muslims? [/quote] .

Oops! I think when they have finished annihilating "infidels" they will face themselves! That is when you will see distictions between real muslims ofthe North and the fake ones down south (_{shakes head})

babs,

The reason why I dont think I want to stay long on this discussion is that
1) I have seen that depsite being greeted with facts about a thing, you tend to be mischievous in deliberately circumventing the truth and ignoring what stares you in the face
2) The bible is not like the quran which hardly latches in on spirituality. It is largely literal and connotes no deep spiritual meanings. The bible more often than not carries prophecies rgarding what will happen in the future. Very many have already been fulfilled while they are more at the verge of fulfilment.

On these premises, I really do not see you understanding sevral quotes from teh scripture because they would not appeal anything to the natural mind.

To some of your concerns:

babs787:
Let me break the verse for you for better understanding.
Government shall be on his shoulder
Did jesus ever rule his people? He was never allowed.
Was he king?

John 18v33-37: , then pilate entered into the judgment hall again and called jesus and said unto him, 'art thou the king of the jews'? Jesus answered, "my KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD. if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight that I should not be delivered to the jews BUT NOW IS MY KINGDOM NOT FROM THENCE.Pilate therefore said unto him, 'art thou A KING THEN?' Jesus answered, 'thou sayest that I am a king, He was never king and he never ruled, as a result, the above prophesy is not for him.

When Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world" you should have asked: was He saying being not of this world (physical) it should be spiritual? Then why has Isaiah prophesied that? You emphasised on "Government" Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of his government [/b]and peace there shall be no end, but have you taken time to see the latter end of that verse which says [b]there shall be no end?. What earthly kingdom shall be without end? If Isaiah meant an earthly kingdom, (which was not intended in the first place), he would not have added the everlasting nature of Jesus' government in the prophesy. While in Isaiah 7:14 [/b]Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel., talks about his birth, [b]Isaiah 9 : 6+ [/b]talks about the nature of His Kingship. At teh end of things, Jesus will establish his Kingdom proper on the earth.

babs787:
[b]Wonderful

He was not the only one to be accorded the word 'wonderful' .All prophets are wonderful. They all came with miracles [/b]and [b]we learnt that Jesus said he couldnt do anything by himself

John 5v30: , i can of mine do nothing. etc

So the prophecy is not for him.

I hear you. if they all came with miracles, please be honest to remove MO's name from the lot cos w all know he was clueless when it comes to the workings of miracles!

babs787:
The Mighty God

He was not the only one being referred to as God. Mind you, small 'g' is supposed to be used just like in John 1v1. Moses too was made god for Pharaoh. If you don't know, one of the thieves crucificted together with jesus is called JESUS BARABAS. meaning that he was another god. Jesus was never a God and will never be.

I can now see the stuff you were made of when you claimed you were in christianity. So, because someone else was named Jesus now meant he was another god? Like i stated i nthe ground rules, somethings are beyond your comprehension. Mind you, it is not the name "Jesus" that ascribed the title of the Mighty God to him. Jesus has called us small gods too so, He is the Mighty God.

babs787:
The Prince of Peace.

Is jesus really prince of peace? lets read the below verses

Mathew 10v34: 'do not think that I HAVE COME TO MAKE PEACE ON EARTH? I HAVE NOT COME TO BRING PEACE BUT A SWORD!!!!!!. For I have come to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER.


Luke 12v49: ' I CAME TO CAST FIRE UPON THE EARTH AND WOULD THAT IT WERE ALREADY KINDLED, DO YOU THINK THAT I HAVE COME TO GIVE PEACE ON EARTH? NO. I TELL YOU, BUT RATHER DIVISION FOR FROM HENCEFORTH in one house there will be five divided, three against two, and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother.

You should have just asked for explanation on certain things that seem so insrutable to you rather than just catgorically post things that may present you as being unlettered or forcefully looking for surviving straws (feeble ones at that).

What do you use in judging a peaceful demeanour? Words or Actions? If MO had said that for instance in the quran, everyone would have known that he meant literal war and thirst for blood because we have seen his insatiable appetite for haemoglobin! Jesus said it but did he ever instruct any of his disciples to go on rampage killing and maiming?

On that basis, you whould agree with me that Jesus was not referring to public mayhems or massacres. Just to help you a bit, the verse : Mathew 10v34: 'do not think that I HAVE COME TO MAKE PEACE ON EARTH? I HAVE NOT COME TO BRING PEACE BUT A SWORD!!!!!!. For I have come to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER. ony implies that the msssage of the gospel will make people have differing opinions. Conversion of a son to Christianity from Islam would naturally ignite the ire of a father who is a muslim. That is just a sample.

babs787:
Yes and please how do that make reference to Jesus?

Was Jesus Israel's ruler? Did he ever for one day rule Israel?

I have clarified that above that He never intended to rule from an earthly throne but to become the King of the throne of our hearts. Jesse was one of the fathers of David.

babs787:
Brother, how does this refer to Jesus? God was talking to Adam and Eve because they ate the forbidden fruit. Haba bros

Oh! To Adam & Eve? i am not surprised at that shot anyway. But as i did state earlier, it was prophetic of the work of salvation that God had in stock for mankind. The God of the christians is a proactive one and already knew what to do immediately after the fall.

Now tell me, how did Adam and Eve fulfill that promise if I may ask?

babs787:
I will check for the highlighted words in the versions with me and get in touch. but mind you, you didnt give me the one that refers to his death and ressurection.

Well, the truth is you will always look at many of them with a carnal eye and never come to terms with their spiritual import. Well let me help you wih just one hoping you will comprehend: Psalms 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

babs787:
Read from the beginning. It was David speaking about those that do not believed in him.It has no relationship with Jesus. It is because you see the God's royal son, David was not the only being referred to as God's son. we have lots of of examples in your bible. Read the above verse very well, do the verse in any have anything to do with Jesus? Did jesus ever destroy the jews that didnt do his wish, he couldnt do anything when he was accused of proclaiming himself as king and also not allowing Jews to pay tribute to Caesar.

Did he get annoy to the extent of destroying the jews and were the jews destroyed? Nothing like that

Brother, the above speaks of nobody else than David. And the verse is in accordance with the war fought then.

Psalms 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. Where did you read from that they pierced David's hands and feet if that scripture referred to David?

babs787:
A question for you here please. What spoil did Jesus divide?

What spoil? Good. Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

babs787:
Good.

Thanks for accepting Psalm 34:20 that none of his bones where broken

babs787:
how does this refer to Jesus? It could have been other prophets too because his name was not mentioned, besides, most christians do not accept Jesus to be messenger of God,

Malachi 3:1 ¶Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me:

The messenger was not referring to Jesusbut John the Baptist whom the biblee says would come to prepare the way of the Lord

babs787:
If you refer to Song of Solomon in Hebrew scripture, the name 'Muhammad' also mention there, please read Song of Solomon 5:16, it looks like this:

"Hikow mamtaqiym wkulow mahamadiy[/b]m zeh dowdiy wzeh ree`iy bnowt yruushaalaaim."

How does this help your cause? This is SOS 5:16 from KJV
Song of Songs 5:16 His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.
How does this add a feather to your cause?

babs787:
Quote from: babs787
Is Jesus the only one with special. Have you read about Adam or Melchisedek that has no beginning nor end?

He is special and will always be. Now bros, do you need biblical reference as to the prophecies referring to Muhammed? So if Jesus is not a man, please who is he? It seems we vare gradually going into the deity of Jesus. [b]Muhammed is not sure and he will intercede for you all on that.

Did you mean MO is interceding for you? Where is that in your quran? . That man's bones is long decomposed Dont re-shape his identity. He said he was not sure of allah will do with him after his death so is that the person interceeding for you?

Jesus and others will be there but Allah will give only him the power to intercede.

babs787:
Are you saying that God of the OT is different from that of NT?

Quote from: babs787

Really, was he sinless? Have you traced the generation of Jesus through incest? ;DWonders shall never end o.

Did Jesus himself commit any sins? Answer yes or no please.

babs787:
Before I do that, please is God of the OT different from NT?

Emphatic NO!

babs787:
So you have not read my story about my journey from darkness (christianity) to light (Islam). If you care to know I was a christian but do not like talking about it unless you demand for it.

I would not mind you opening a new thread for that.

I know you guys will soon be tired of railing these insults at each other. Just too funny!

Kula, I am sure you could not have had the balls to face dave one on one because hin go beat you tire

Melo down guys!

davidylan:
are muslims killing us? I thot they were all non-muslims.

When they will stop Killings?

When all the earth has been converted to LANDS OF ISLAM!

babs787: @cgift

I came in because I read my name therein.

Welcome

babs787: Please can I have some from the OT?

Birth, Life, Death, Resurrection :
Isaiah 9:6 [/b]For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
[b]Isaiah 11:1-7 ¶And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: (Read the rest yourself)
Micah 5:1-2 Marshal your troops, O city of troops, for a siege is laid against us. They will strike Israel's ruler on the cheek with a rod. 2 "But you, Bethlehem [/b]Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times."
[b]Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

Isaiah 53:3 He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Zechariah 11:12-13 I told them, "If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it." So they paid me thirty pieces of silver. 13 And the LORD said to me, "Throw it to the potter"--the handsome price at which they priced me! So I took the thirty pieces of silver [/b]and threw them into the house of the LORD to the potter
[b]Isaiah 50:6 I offered my back to those who beat me, my cheeks to those who pulled out my beard; I did not hide my face from mocking and spitting.
Zechariah 12:10"And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

Psalms 22:16 Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, t[b]hey have pierced my hands and my feet.[/b]
Psalms 22:18 [/b]They divide my garments among them and [b]cast lots for my clothing.

Isaiah 53:12 [/b]Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

[b]Psalms 34:20 [/b]he protects all his bones, not one of them will be broken.
Isa.53:7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. (Ps.38:13-14)
[b]Malachi 3:1 "See, I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come," says the LORD Almighty.

Permit me stop at these for now. Counter those scriptures and prove to us that they are not prophecies about Jesus. If you also want me to give you scriptures for their fulfilment in the New Testament, its only a request away.

babs787: Did you read your bible very well. Have you seen the Aramaic version of the bible?

Aramaic version? Please post it lets see the fraud that your people have invented. You would agree with me that we do not serve the same God so i wonder why when God says, this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased in the bible, yur own allah is saying he has no son through your 'prophet' called MO. If its same God, He wont contradict himself. So, bringing allah into the bible is false. They should have retained God in the Aramaic translation. Christ the architect of the New Convenant, never claimed lives - He rather gives life. He can give you life too.

babs787: Is Jesus the only one with special. Have you read about Adam or Melchisedek that has no beginning nor end?

These things are too much for you to understand. I thought you wanted to scribble in MO's name that he was special when he outrightly finished himself with his own mouth that he was just a mere man! MO that was not sure of his so-called call as a prophet whether na angel, or angels or allah himslf of whatever called him!

babs787: Is Jesus not a man. Biblical you may say he is God but I have some questions for you if you are ready concerning his deity. Do you really understand the above quoted verse?

Bring your questions on! I know certainly they would be too esoteric for you.

babs787: Do you understand the above verse please? Let me know so as to enlighten you.

What other meaning dos it have order than that allah may forgive his numerous sins!

babs787: Do you want me to dig deep into both the old and new testament. Hope you know that Jesus is also God of the OT and NT

May be in your aramaic bible

babs787: Really, was he sinless? Have you traced the generation of Jesus through incest? ;DWonders shall never end o.

Tell me the sin He (personally) committed. I'm waiting. If you like be quoting the sin of David or rahab . I am not quoting the sins that MO's father committed or his mother. I have told you the ones he committed but you would not call it sin anyway because your 'unholy' prophet must not be tamed sinful . I guess snatching is adopted son's wife is morally right because the 'prophet' is unquestionable

babs787: Then I will supply you the Quotes and the sermon of the prophet too. You didnt make reference to his words in OT

Whose words? The sermon of your prophet on the other hand is demeaning to deep intellectual discourse and sound reason please.

babs787: Are you sure of what you are saying ? Do I make reference to confuse speeches in the Gospels?

Permission granted

babs787: You amuse me a lot o. Die for sinner ke when he was afraid to die. It got to a stage that he couldnt walk openly because they wanted to kill him. Do you know that he begged God not to let him die and you are here saying that he was willing to die. Do you read your bible at all?

If he wasn't willing to die, he should have dangled swords like MO

babs787: You know that he no fear death even the angel was afraid to take his death but what of Jesus, he begged, begged and begged to the extent that his sweat were like blood. He should have commanded death now. Do you need proof from OT on the attrocities committed by God Jesus? I still need you proof on your allegation

The mysteries of the gospel will always confuse your mind. He was God-Man; he felt what man felt though h carried the attributes of God. Its too deep for you and you can never understand it from a natural perspective. He had the power to command death: He said it himself in Matthew 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
He just knew his mission and played along but the thought of 'playing along' all the suffering as a man was scary.

babs787: He never killed. Are you referring to God of the OT OR NT? I still need your evidence on your allegation please
Brother, are you sure of all you are typing? Do we dig into the OT AND NT please?

Keep confusing yourself. The architect of christainity never killed to spread his message. Persuasion, diligence, prayers, works of love was all that was put to use in spreading the message, not the sword!

babs787: Do you know the reason for the above?

Lust! Lust!! Lust!!! The guy was sure smarter than his contemporaries He restricted them to 4 wives but he himslef took 22

babs787: I am very true to myself. You know that I was in the dark and would never go back to it

Which dark? Where you once a christian if that is what you refer to as your own dark? Just asking!

lawyer: hey y'all, am back after my hiatus for a while and trying to clear my head from all these good cop, back cop syndrome about the catholic church and being a free thinker. I have to admit, it was pretty tough being away from all these debates and keeping an unholy silence to decipher what is really true and false and i think i have come to a final conclusion.

Hurray!!! My dear lawyer, Welcome back . I must tell you that we ralliy missed you. To be honest, that intellectual vacuum you left when you absconded ( ) could not be filled by any of your guys. Let me counsel you : You need to do a very serious work with grooming more catholics to be able to defend the faith like you Anyways, welcome back. I was actually thinking you were going to do something nasty with your very painful outburst but thank God, He took control.

lawyer: Having heard all the arguments against and for the catholic church, nothing beats evidence and practicality of certain situations at hand. After all am a lawyer and conclusive proof is all i need to win a case.

Thats why I enjoy you. I like lawyers, especially those as intelligent like you. I actually crave for foriegn movies ladened with law suits that would usually entail very serious and intelligent cooperation of the police, other law enforcement agants and most especially the lawyers who now put all those together. Yet to find such soul-searching feats among our lawyers in Nigeria sha!

lawyer: Firstly, i took it upon myself to attend the catholic church far away from my regular church to see things in a neutral perspective.

I am so sure that they would not have done anything different from the one you always attended.

lawyer: What i noticed and i would love to ask the antagonist of the catholic church is that, " Is everything about the catholic church totally negative and there's no positives that could be bettered in future?" Because everything seems to hang on the negatives of the catholic church 100% which imao is not totally fair.

Not really. Every act cannot be satanic but that presupposition exposes you to two grave dangers:

A.)[/b]Cornelius had good works in abundance and relied on them greatly albeit with a pure and genuine heart. In [b]Acts 10: 1+ There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,
2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway,

Can you see all his attributes? Yet, God had to tell send Peter to him to minister salvation.

B.) When as the bible says, in 2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light, you will not know. One qustion you might ask yourself is this: In what way does satan do this?

He clones good works and steathily [/b]hinges salvation on those works thereby apparing to many as if it is God-sent but inherently, they are wolvs in sheep's clothings. Beware.

lawyer: like every other church, they do have a choir which praises God non stop and they recite passages from the bible. I know at this junction, the endless debate over which bible is right or false will creep in here, but the bottom line is that i noticed, they actually quote from the old testaments for the first gospel passage, the new testament during the second gospel reading and a specific chapter from any of the 4 apostles for the main gospel reading and during the sermon or homily as it's being refered in the catholic church, the priests do actually preach the word of God and although [b]veiled references to Mary and the other saints do crop up, it all about the teachings of God which i don't think is wrong in any manner.

Its all good but for the boldened portion. We have severally debunked those sophistries and explicitly stated that the act of Mary-veneration is actually deeper than what you think it is. It is Mary-worshipping. And permit me to ask you, whose taching of God is it that tells us abut Mary? If anything, the questions you should ask yourself are these:

[list]
[li]Which disciple/apostel of Jesus ever taught about Mary?[/li]
[li]Which of them ever taught as a tradition the bowing down to images?[/li]
[li]Which of Christ's teachings ever highlighted references to dead saints to the extent of their praying or interceeding for us?[/li]
[li]Where in the Holy Scriptures is Mary ever pronounced sinless or that she had no need of of the sacrifice of Christ on the cross of Calvary[/li]
[li]When did the doctrine of Mariolatory including her assumption creep into the church according to the holy fathers of RCC?[/li]
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lawyer: I took particular interest in last week's sermon that talked about the gifts of the holy spirit ( wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge, piety and the fear of the lord)
It also dwelt on the fruits of the holy spirit ( joy, peace, patience, benignity, goodness, longanimity, mildness, faith, modesty, continency and chastity)
Now these are positives things about the catholic church that has been constantly overlooked.

Yea! They're cool virtues but mind you, the Gifts [/b]of the Holy Spirit are different from the [b]Fruits [/b]of the Holy Spirirt. The gifts include : Healing, Prophecy, Word of Knowledge, Words of Widom, Working of miracles, tongues, interpretation of tongues, etc. [b]1 Corinthians 12:7. They are very different from what you called gifts in your post. These are given for the edification of the body of Christ.

Fruits on th otherhand can easily be fiegned. Therefore, do not base your judgement of a professing christain on those.

lawyer: Nobody is saying the popes of the past having done terrible things to bring the catholic church's name to disrepute over the years and the current pope has made some gaffs of recent. But in as much as you point out these gaffs and and odd statements of the catholic church, these popes have also said and done things to reconcile other faiths and bring unity one way or the other and i think it's a worthwhile thing but at the same time, we should act as checks and balances for their excesses when they go above board.

How have you acted as a check for them? They are obviously far from you guys down here. The unfortunate thing is that those who you think acted overzalously did not. They actd just in accordance with the laws of the church concernign what should be done to infidels. Hisotry of the 20th century is not too far-fetched. My dear Lawyer, its only a matter of time, not too far from now that you will see Inquisitions again. They have not changed the laws! It is still in effect. When the Vatican achieves its aim of a New World Order, then you will know that repentance/regrets is not in the canons of the soldiers of the popes. Study more about the Jesuits .

lawyer: Like in any other religion, there would be fanatics and extremists who would take the matters of faith to the heart and commit hideous sins and crimes all in the name of defending the church, but spare a moment for the true believers of god who are in the catholic faith to serve God and whether the issue of mary, the dead saints, the postulations of the vatican or erring priests and uncoordinated aspects of the canons, all i want to do and i believe so many catholics want the same is to serve God and if they think catholicism is the best medium for them, i think they should let them be.

2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

That is the call! Abraham did not remain after getting the truth from God. He was instructed to leave Ur of the chaldeans! He was instructed to run away from idol worshipping and abandon his people. You cant wash a plat clean with a dirty spongue! New wines are not kept in old skins. For th RCC, if would have been better if they had no ulterior motives but they have! Their quest is for Power, control, both Religious, Political, and economical and at all cost. If that is the focus of your leaders in teh Vatican, what do you think is your stake in there?

lawyer: What finally convinced me that the catholic church is not that bad as postulated was a certain event that happened 2 weeks ago. There was this catholic society called the saint vincent de paul society that caters for the poor and neglected in the society. They went round the whole of lagos and collected almost 700 destitutes, retards and kids born with some form of affliction and feted them, clothed them and aided them with gifts and welfare packages from their meagre resources. I asked one of the members why they did such a thing, and he said, it's written in the bible to help the poor and ask for nothing in return, because it could be anybody who could be in that situation. Now i studied this man and found out that he was totally oblivious to the happenings of the vatican or the need to boast about his theological and intellectual superiority. He was just serving God and it had nothing to do with whether mary is the mother of God or who intercedes for who. He was just being a good christian and i know whether he was in another pentecosatal church or not, his quest to serve God is just his motto and nothing more.

There we go: GOOD WORKS. The story of Cornelius, onc again, is a case in point. Moreover, Apostle Paul said in Ephesians 2: 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Not of works. Devils do the same. While not condemning the need for charity, it is not the main ingredient for salvation.

lawyer: And it's from this little example, i chose to go back to the catholic faith, not to argue or defend the vatican, but to see it as a place of worship and assimilate the positives that is being thought about Christ and ignore things that i think would affect my beliefs and faith.

Your leaders are your drivers. If in a car, you discover that your driver has very terrible driving habits you are very much uncomfortable with, what do you do, you warn him (if you can) or better still, you tell him to stop for you so that you ca alight. Can you guard or act as a check or balance to the Vatican? The answer is no! What is the only solution, alight

lawyer: Every church has that person or group of people who try to explain the obvious beyond the comprehension of what the bible actually teaches and we can chose to accept it hook line and sinker or pray to the one and only God. We all need a medium to communicate and most catholics were born into the catholic church and although bad habits are hard to let go, but i'll go one step better and follow the word of God when it's being explained and preached to me, which is what wqe all need to attain that salvation.

Great to be back and please go on with the debates, it's quite an enchanting, entertaining, intellectual read and spectacle

Cool .

Finally, let me tell you that you are a candidate for Apostacy and a possible anathemising according to the laws of the RCC if you do not uphold ALL of the tenets of the church. To the Vatican, its either all or nothing!

Hope to hear from you soon.


Oby1, we all seek peace o. I am not asking that your neck be given to the hangman's noose

Backslider:
The man is the agent of Satan either knowing or unknowingly. He need repentance like every sinner.

Backslider! Ha! even Jonah or Jeremiah no hot reach you for condemnation

andrew3338:
all catholic will go to hell

Haba! That's too raw

mdsocks: Deuteronomy 18:18 “I (God) will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee (Moses), and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”

Many of you think this prophecy foretold by Moses to be in regards to Jesus. Indeed Jesus was foretold in the Old Testament, but as will be clear, this prophecy does not befit him, but rather is more deserving of Muhammad, may God praise him. Moses foretold the following:

Sorry, was the boldened words a typo or intentional? If it is intentional, kindly always put 'may allah praise him'. The Christian God will not praise any mere man.

Now to the main issue:

I can see your desperation really. You try all means to infuse MO into the bible. Haba! Is it by force? Bible no talk about MO at all my guy.

Please bear in mind that the people with whom God was dealing with through moses were strictly the Isrealites. By this time, the illegitimate Ishmeal and his mother had been sent packing. The Christian God never reckoned with Hagar and Ishmeal after ejecting them from the heritage of Abraham. Get that fact straight. The isrealites, not Ishmealites, where the ones in captivity for more than 400 years and all the promises of God were to the Isrealites, the descendant of Abraham through Jacob alone! Not even Esau let alone the forsaken Ishmeal!

At least in the authenticity of superiority that the quran gives to the bible, it mentions the name of Jesus there and there is no room for ambiguity. Which one be your own now? Why be say na so so vagueries come dey you own assertions?

mdsocks: 1. The Prophet Will Be Like Moses
check the attachment

Going by all the criteria you have listed, it shows evidently that your MO is grossly inferior to Jesus Christ. Jesus na baba!

I will summarise your table into one category:

Uniqueness of criteria.

Of all the criteria and the records of each character you have put forward, it goes to say that if me [b]Cgift [/b]wake up tomorrow when i am 40 years and fit all of those other criteria, I will be called a prophet . What a cheap shot at propehthood! No man has ben able to repeat the record of Christ on those fronts! They can't beat it! This Jesus they excite me Jo!

Furthermore, I thought MO would be like Moses also in acts and mighty works? Oh! He copied some aspects of Moses and threw away the others abi?

Let me add more to your worries: Moses did not dazzle swords to spread his message [/b]to other lands, it was not even his mandate to do that in the first place. His was just to rescue them out of Egypt! He did not just wake up to attack people who did not attack him or who did not stand in his way like MO did.

MO just in an unbridled manner took lives and funny enough, his so called brothers, the Jews sufferred very heavy casualities! Are you sure you MO was not a maniac? Just asking!

You have still not told me why he was not like Moses in the acts of working wonders: sorry he wrought wonders with his sword and got his teeth chopped off!

Now lets get more serious with the [b]very serious contraditions of even the call of MO

The Quran gives us four (4) conflicting accounts of his 'call' to be a prophet. Either one of these four accounts is true and the others are false or thy are all false; they cannot all be true.

We are first told in Sura 53:2-18 [/b]and [b]Sura 81:19-24 that Allah personally appeared to MO in the form of a man and that MO saw him and heard him. This is later abandoned, and we are then told in Sura 10:102 [/b]and [b]Sura 26: 192-194, that MO's call was issued by the "Holy Spirit" (_{i wonder which kain spirit, may be na jinns or gennies} ). Sinc MO does not really discuss whom this spirit is, this on is later abandoned.

The third account is Sura 15:8 where we are told that its "angels - (plural)" that cam down and announced that it was allah that has called him to be a prophet. Evn this account was later amended like a constitution in Sura 2:97 to show that it was only [/b]the [b]angel Gabriel who issues the call and hands down the quran to him.

Which one we go choose? So much for a prphet who cannot even authenticate his call!

mdsocks: The Quran says of Muhammad:

“Neither does he speak out of his own desire: that [which he conveys to you] is but [a divine] inspiration with which he is being inspired.” (Quran 53:3-4)

This is quite similar to the verse in Geneses 18:15:

“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him” (Geneses 18:18).

My guy, you will agree with me that the God that sent Moses is very much different from the god that sent MO because the words that MO spoke and issued in the quran is completely at variance with the one Moses's God spoke. For instance, Moses' God says :Love your neighbour as yourself, MO's god says, you must subjugate anybody who deoes not venerate islam

mdsocks: The Prophet Muhammad came with a message to the whole world, and from them, the Jews. All, including the Jews, must [/b]accept his prophethood, and this is supported by the following words:

“The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken.” (Deuteronomy 18:15)

To start with, these are facts from the bible that prophecies the coming of Prophet Muhammad

That [b]must is the guaranty for taking lives abi? Your life-straw is not strog enough. It shows your attempt to rechristen Islam and cloak it with a good dress. No matter how hard you try, your very own quran condems your prophet and his works.

mdsocks: thanks very much, but rather i will invite you to Islam (The religion of peace) and leave a religion which can't ven prove the authenticity of the book they follow,

If you put down the bible claiming it can prove its own authenticity, then it is a big slap on MO and the writers of the quran for authenticating what they could substantiate. They probably had their intellects warped then

God help you.

nwando:
My dear no collapse,we no fit do e- CPR

Why you go call someody lesbian

kalu and nwado,

I narly collapse with laughter for my seat. This comedy for nairaland na first class

[quote author=@tomX]Droids are robots, androids are humans, please correct yourself on that.[/quote]Ok. If androids [/b]is too much for you, permit me to say you behave like [b]humanoids. You just take instructions from your priest/bihops/popes as if under some kind of spell without even judging them. How many times have we seen from history that your so-called popes are not infallible. Do you know the number of popes they have anathemisd in the catholic church? If they ar indeed infallible, why the sudden turnaround to anathemise them? Doen't that show you at a glance that your dogma of 'infallibility' of your clergy is a sophistry?

[quote author=@tomX]Now back to your poser.
What kind of Cross does the Pope carry Before him when He walks? (Look to his scepter). What kind of cross does the Pope genuflect to? This should set you straight.[/quote]Sorry to disppoint you. It rather blows my mind more on the duplicity of the Vatican? May be its the occassion that determines the psotion of the cross he uses ?

[quote author=@tomX]Where you the one who pulled out after fifty years, it makes me wonder why after fifty plus years as a christian you are still so abusive.
Anyway in Luke 2:47 Boy Jesus atstonished even the aged with his understanding so I will of course not be limiting my understanding as being below that of some old man who could not even stay grounded in his faith. Such people are not good models for me.
Ephesians 4:14
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine , by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
KJV[/quote]ol boy. No be me commot oh! I never clock 50 o! You dey wait make pope Benedith convert to protestanism before your ye clear abi?

[quote author=@tomX]I'll not be visiting this thread again but I trust you will be able to find a good note on which to get your closure. The Catholic church will definitely survive you.[/quote]I will urge you to still chck on us once in a while to get a good grasp of what your religion is. Its not our own words we speak but the undiluted words of God that uou have simply refused to come to temrs with. No worries , when you outgrow the weaning your mother church is serving you prsently, you will come to your senses on the truth like the prodigal son.

As for th Catholic church surviving me, well, if Christ comes before i die, i dont see how that will hold xcept you dont believe in the second coming of Christ.

Cheers!

kulaShaker: reason #1 [b]why the bible should be banned = davidlyan[/b](you come out with a complete bunch of horse dough)

But the Bible makes much more sense and is even ratified by the quran! So, it they must ban one of them, even illiterates will nominate the quran for destruction. The quran gives supremacy to the bible in several Suras

kulaShaker: PS
don't you have a job? u never away from here, arguing stupidly about religion when your heart is blacker than the deepest pit of hell, HYPOCRITES MAKE ME SICK, ''you give a good reason not be be a Christian

You probably have a soft spot for that guy! Let me not put asunder

Infourmer:
Well don't you think its great to share what you find rather than talking out of your butt

I give fire to nobody just sharing what have found that can be of good to others,if you choose to-OK and if you do not agree with it-plz move on.

Enjoy ma brother. Enjoy!

Infourmer: Actually I don't know what to say but I'll say this,if you believe someone is not practising christianity the way they ought to. Aint you meant to teach and not make them feel bad about what they know?

Informal,

We have appealed, cajoled, coaxed, begged, and presented the fallacies of the Vatican doctrines to these ones. They also have tried to refute our claims but unfortunalely, their faith is left hanging in the balance as they have seen very clearly that they are not in for the truth. What do you do with someone who preaches apostacy and herecies but is quick to say that you non-catholics are heretics? You just wave it off with a wave of hand i guess. No bros. You must b ready to give a very major defence on the faith with you profess according to the scriptures.

Ask them what they think non-catholics are. They have labelled us with all sorts of names. While these ones on this forum may not have a clear-cut understanding of what obtains at theirr headquarters, w take it as part of our responsibilities to make known to them what is already revealed - the dark sid of the Vatican and their grand plan to breed the anti-christ.

The spirit of the Inqisition is still very present amongst us. Infourmer, How i wish you know the grand designs of the RCC from Rome. You will appreciate us better. To these ones, you hav to be persistent with the truth and give no room to their duplicity. If you know the depth of the deception within the Vatican you will not hesitate to open up.

Infourmer: Why do people go on being critics? Sometimes people behave in a way they don't welcome other people to be christians with their reception.

Unfortunately, many have come to the saving grace of our Lord Jesus Christ through what they have read on this forum. Pilgrim.1's mail box is replete with conversion stories of catholics. Apart from those ones, some of them have openly on this board discarded the strange teachings of demonology being practised in the Church of Rome which is at var with the teachings of Christ.

It is working my brother, if someone tries to negate the truth on the grounds that the bible is hard to understand, then you have to make him see his error with all diligence. It would look like criticism, yea it is indeed but the truth must be told. W however do leave the rest to the Holy Spirit to complete.

So, forget that principle of 'all-inclusion' and lets state the matters as they are. We need to know those who are for God truly and those who are not.

mdsocks:
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Your scribles do not add up! They dont make sense because the table you are trying to form is inscrutable. Present your opinions in a more readable way please.

I hope the are not relegating religion to the background in that country? Crime rate is alarming!

Informal,

how body? You dey give fire to oby1 them abi? God dey. e be like say ou sanction every religion

Ensure you grease your reason in season. ^cgift

KAG: Strangely enough, most of the hedonists and highly immoral people have been and are theists; but don't let things like that get in the way of your dubious view on most atheists.

OK.

KAG: Is it? What about cultures that clearly have no concept of Gods? Are they just not wired properly? And people that are at rest with themselves without resorting to higher powers (and, do not be deceived, there are many)? Are they not human?

List some names and lets look at them individually. Mind you anyways that it is an individual thing. Any human longs for the ethereal. They may deny it but it is in their subconcious.

KAG: How is it spiritual? What do you mean by spiritual? Do other animals who dream share our fondness for the spiritual?

I dont understand your assertion of animal dreams.

KAG: Why?

Why should you not be blank when sleeping?

Ivvie,

WORD!!!

Bandele:
Christianity came from Egypt (Kemet)

Who be this now?