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[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=90174.msg1642719#msg1642719 date=1194006775]@cgift,

After all the evidence have come in and there's no way to deny the obvious any longer, the best way to help a fraud is to tell him to his face: Babs is a FRAUD! Period!

It helps such folks see their duplicity and come to terms with their illiteracy.[/quote]I couldnt say more.

Yes. Flirt but with [size=16pt]YOUR WIFE ONLY.[/size]

Reverend:
If you want to believe that the invisible man that lives above the clouds really exists, I have no problem with that.

But as far as I am concerned, it is the most ridiculous story ever, an absolute farce and delusion

Ok Reverend, who created heaven and earth?

babs [/b]blackness is sure thinker than [b]elder Ola's own.

babs, you need to let your trouser reach the ground cos that might help increase your reasoning capabilities. Your reasoning leaves nothing to be desired of you.

Oby1:
i gathered from a source that a Priest in Lekki Parish was shot dead. Please we all should remember him too in our prayers. And also commit all the Clergy's into the hands of God.

God have mercy!

_{But how could they have killed a regular creator of Jesus during the eucharist on the host?}

Oby1:
With the division in Christainity can cause a shaky shaky Christain to change to other religion

Only babs will talk like that. Sorry to say. The main things to consider before choosing are

1) who are the founders of the religions in question?
2) what were their motivations?
3) what are the assurances we have in terms of salvation and afterlife?
4) what confidence levels do the anchors of the religions have in terms of spreading the message?
5) Is the mode of the spread of message humane and sustainable in temrs of humanliness as we have it today?

If these qustions are not good enough on one side, run from that side.

cheers!

[quote author=@tomX link=topic=89804.msg1642225#msg1642225 date=1193998704]Well the concept of mercy killing is that it is sometimes better for a person who is in great suffering and is bound to die anyway, to be put out of his/her misery sooner by killing the person in a quicker and more humane way.[/quote]Have you not seen someone at the verge of death being revived by the power of God? Have people lost faith completely in as a result of their unbelief that they have forgotten there is a power than can change situations no matter how bad? Why kill if thre is nothing impossible for God to do?

Uncle Ola,

you have come with these incohrent traumas of yours. Let me help you a bit

olabowale:
@Comfort86: In your entry on the topic, you indicated that Jesus standard is not known. Why is that? Is it because, there is no writing about his standard as a prophet, because there is no accurate material about him, directly from him or any of his 12 apostles? What really is the condition of his standard?

We really need to know the meaning of that statement cos Christ was as definitive and explicit on any subject matter and very consistent unlike some other so-called prophets.

olabowale:
If we do not know, for sure what his standard is on any matter and indeed on all relevant matters to our lives, then what is the porpose of following him relative to Moses, a prophet who came before him or Muhammad, the one who came after him?

You are simply seeing stars! What matter are you talking about? Look at a thief calling the houseowner a thief and turning the table around! A blind illiterate knows that Christ floors your Mohammad on all fronts of human endavour except in violence, sex-attacks, discrimination, and all other vices. Se fi ni?

olabowale:
If Jesus spoke about the will of the father being the superior and the only will to be done, not even that of jesus, if that is differenet from that of the father, is this enough to indicate to us that Jesus was aonly a prophet? Is it not that every prophet before Jesus and the only after him, spoke about the same will, as in WORSHIP GOD ALONE and do not associate partnership? If its all christains will enter paradise, is the purpose of death on the cross not invain then? Are we sure that everyone in paradise, from the time of christianity onward to the end of time will be christians? Please let me hear your view on this matter.

Th mystery of Godliness is too much for you to bear. One can only pray for you.

mdsocks:
@cgift
That was if the bible had not been corrupted

“and do not overlay the truth with falsehood, and do not knowingly suppress the truth” (Quran 2:42)

Oh! So your prophet did not know "the bible was going to be corrupted in the future" and still referred you to it. He was sure too blind and could not see beyond his nose. Else he would have told you not to bother. Your duplicity will only portray you as being unintelligent mind you.

babs787:
@cgift

I tire for you apologist o. Is it not in your bible where Jesus said that he didnt come to annul that law but to fulfil it. I wonder why christian shift from OT when issues are mentioned therein but quick at citing that of tithe from the same OT. Na wa for una oooo

You are gasping for breathe ehn? Jesus himself talked about the need to pay tithes in th New Testament. Dont be ridiculous bro. You are known for denials, I know you are no longer at ease with your blood thirsty prophet. But that is what he was, history cannot b re-written.

babs787:
Are you referring to Moses and other prophets that fought in wars? Mind you, Moses was given the Injil and Torah for Jesus and not your OT and NT which you couldnt defend its authenticity. Was Jesus given the book of matthew to revelation?

Base thinking. You cant understand. Islam is canst cos it draws inspiration from OT. You will never understand th mysteries of the killings in the OT even if I take time to explain them to you. So revel in your sword-suasion of your white skinned, red-haired prophet.

babs787:
Answer the question yourself, is it the bible that was compiled before the Quran or Quran that came after it?

Of what usefulness is that ugly question? Are you seeking for legitimacy of the foul nature the 'prophethood (_indeed)' of Mohammad or the moon-god, chief god allah of the arabians you worship?

throw more light on the mercy killing thing.

They are poles apart just like the East [/b]is far from the [b]West.

belloti:
How can you even attempt to compare the two. Man's words and God's words. This is from whichever way you are looking at it. If you what i mean

I tire for people like don [/b]o. The Quran lends credence to the [b]Bible shikena! It said that if you have doubts about mO's sayings, you should cmfirm from the christains. So, be true t yourself for just once: if there is a discrepancy between the two, which should give way? Answer the kweshun.

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Cheers

@poster,

break yourself down to become very simple. Its fun! You will love it when you do it out of fun and love I tell you. Just ensure your job does not get you too often away from her.

All the best.

Don,

you started this thread. Unfortunately you have not bothered to go through all the pages only for you to come here and then think you can blend into the discussion without getting abreast of the prior discussions. What a clown you are!

As we have told you severally, I will re-iterate it here again:

Judaism existed in the Old Testament based grossly on the LAW and anchored by the prophets
Christainity is of the New Testament basd primariliy on GRACE and anchored by the Son of God himself

If Islam refers to the Old Testament to justify its muderious and barbaric actions, it shows that Islam is an archaic religion because the owners of the book has since left that platform to a more glorious one in the New Testament.

If the quran as shown in the below link supplied lends credence to the bible, to Chrsit and then to christains, I think we no longer have a case here. You guys should settle for your inferior, not-sin-free, orangish-red dyed hair, white, salvation-doubtful, prophet called Mohammad and let us settle for the one who has a sure confidence of the salvation of his adherents.

Thank you.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-86405.0.html#msg1595691

Reverend:
Why is he not real?

You just make a fool of yourself most times with your posts. You ar standing in front of something and still asking Hm why He is not real?

Reverend:
I vote for Horus, anyone with a head like a bird is far more likely to have existed than JC

oh! cos u probably evolved from them.

doncnn:
pilgrim and oby,

wotever u call ursef, its bad at this stage of the world, u guys could still sit and argure over wot people of old who hav all died did, its really bad, im sure like of u will eqaully argure about our present pastors in years to come, since the pastors do not really hav much history as compared to the so called popes who were said to hav done bad thing or the other, all we to do is focus on our own indidvidual salvation, if the popes commited any crime, leave that to God to judge or else, we might find ourselves acting God, and at the same time, i think we all must try to respect all other people's beliefs

You if u dont have anything to add, please shut up Guess you are one of those who are docile and would take anything bin dished out by your leaders without chcking the facts to help yourself.

olabowale:
@davidylan: Boy!, you are tough. Your heart man. thats a very hard heart! Nothing good comes out of your ink.

Uncle Ola,

So sorry that he is just replete with your bad sides. He probably has forgotten that Islam is reducing the number of women who would have gone without being married in their life time by becoming th 22nd wife of a 'prophet' who often drank camel's urine!

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=89326.msg1627909#msg1627909 date=1193652059]@cgift,

I hear they've been looking for about "50,000 errors" (Ahmed Deedat et al). [/quote]50,000 . I pray that God would help them to get as much. But i think in order to get that much they will first condemn the whole verses of Paul's epistles

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=75506.msg1627850#msg1627850 date=1193650645]3. Mary Intercedes - For Catholics according to the Bible:

Fill in the blank space above. [/quote]No be wetin bird chop hin go use fly? Wetin, she don chop from bible? nothing! may be the prist don tell am when she go confssion. Oya oby1, yan us.

In some cases, Quran, in orders Hadith, in yet some others, ijma, and in "still yet" some others, ijtihad.

So we have some permutations therein. SO your anwser

ONE at a time! Only the one that validates their argument is correct at that point in time.

@dapsycool,

Its bin proven over and over again that there is so much intellectual laziness in the writing of the quran. The attempt of Mohammad's Allah to present itself as omni-potent being is floored extensively by this bewildering contradictions. I dont know what defence muslim apologists might have for all of these but I know they would also be choking at the moment knowing fully well that the book the rever so much will only make a sound mind sleep.

I expect them to greet you with 101 contradictions in the bible

[quote author=A_K_O link=topic=75506.msg1624807#msg1624807 date=1193518336]@ricadelide
that is a marvellous piece. Now I have a lot more to defend my stand against catholicism when I need to. You have intensified my hatred and abhorrence for a sect that magnifies a mere human being to the place of God.
doesn't mean I won't be tolerant, but my desire is that it's not too long before we true christians begin to do the works that Jesus did, and greater, and prove to the world that they have been wasting precious time. God bless you my brother.[/quote]A_K_O,

please hate no one, abhor no one. They are God's creation and you have no right to hate but to love them. Hate their actions but love their persons. Telling them the truth dos not mean hating them bro.

chuckdee4:
cgift im not the most religious person thats y i haven't contributed to this topic but i won't sit down here n listen to someone rant nonsense, what he said is as good as saying, all Yoruba's will go to hell because they eat amala, will that go down well with u if u were/are yoruba.

Come on wake up, us keeping quiet to these kindda statements only means we're acceppting it, which shouldn't be so

Ok. Have you taken time to go through th major threads on catholicism. I think you need to start from there.

Sorry bout my utburst too. Cheers!

nwado,

that one na death kernel

Horus:
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this small boy horus,

this your pix is very stale now.

chuckdee4:
@ Andrew (Whatever)

So all catholic's will go to hell, isn't that for God to decide, i never knew u were God. All ye protestants can keep judging, rather than focus on your own brand of religion u keep poking your nose in other people's religion, i don't see u bothering the muslims or are u scared.

I couldn't care less what stupid extremist like urselves think about us Catholics, we do our thing for God to judge in the end, afterall the bible said u'lld be judged by what u know and what u heard so quit this "Catholic are this n that crap" u guys are the ones who don't sound christian

Your outburst does not add value to the intelligent discourse we have engaged people over time on these boards. It is only typical of those who have nothing to offer to resort to name-calling and character-denting. If you were some intelligent dude, you would have taken the issues we have raised and analyse them but what do we see? Wailings and whinnigs that is characteristic of two year olds?

This outurst only adds to your burden so please do not faint yourself. Face the issues, no need to get worked-up!

olabowale:
@pligrim.1: I wish you know anything about Islam. For sure you never read Al-Qur'an before. Very typical of most of the african, specifically Yoruba Muslims. By the way, i can say that, since am a Yoruba man.

What else does she need to know about the Quran other than the legitimacy that your quran gives to the Holy Bible and that your quran called Jesus the Messaih?
What else do you want her to know about the Quran other than what she has known that Mohammad was not sure of his call by giving four contrasting accounts of how he was called?
Or is it the fact that MO could not circumvent his appetite for anything under skirts that he had to amass 22 wives you want her to know? Or his insatiable greed for othr people's properties that made him kill people who did not provoke him in the least. Is it his declaration that more women are candidates of hell or is it your confusion about where you face when praying? Is it (oh my God!) What exactly do you want her to come and know? That your prophet was poisoned or that he died his hair red and lost his teeth in battle or that your verses where eaten by goats or some washed away being written on stones, tree barks, leaves etc. I am at loss here. Someone please help me!!!!

olabowale:
Islam is the first and the only religion that emancipated women.

By likening to them to what? candidates of hell? or calling them pigs or the subjcting them to slaves and distributing them amongst fellow warriors as spoils of war? So much good for women emancipation for someone who speaks from th two sides of his mouth.

olabowale:
Prior to the islam of muhammad, the jews and the christians blamed Eve our mother for what they call 'ORIGINAL SIN'. However, in the second chapter of the Qur'an, you read different. Eve was not blamed for the shortcoming of Adam and her, from the hand of Iblis.

Prior to islam of Muhammad, the arabs used to kill their daughters and even went to the point of burying them alive! Islam put a complete stop to it. Islam gave women the right to inherit and own their own properties. This never happened before, until the islam of Muhammad (AS).

The responsibility of belief and worship in obedience to One true God, is equally a responsibility of individuals, male and female alike. The first person to killed because of believing in One God, in makka was a woman. May God the Lord of Jannah put her in the highest level of paradise. Amiin.

The responsibility of nurturing children, based on the high quality of patience and kindness of women, is almost the sole responsibility of mothers. As for the place of women, they are so adored that they have the choice of being a housewife or whatever. remember that Khadijah, the wife of prophet Muhammad, was a successful business woman, and she was stopped from her 'job'! Infact, she continued to employ her husband, and from the wages, the prophet maintained the household. And Khadijah kept her name.

Allah said in the Qur'an that people should be called by their father's name. So it is Islamic that a woman, when married to still keep her father's name. Even though she may add the husband's name. You don't have that in the christian or jewish or any other religion! My wife is still known by her father's name. When you marry, please do not give up your family name for any reason. that is islam, a benefit for all!

In Madina, some wives who were wealthier than their husbands, asked prophet Muhammad (AS), through sayidina Bilal ibn Rabah (ra), if they could give financial gift to their husbands. The prophet said that they could and it will be considered as voluntary charity to them. For it is not compulsory that they do it. It is not Zakah, but sadaqah on them!

You may talk about women getting half of what men get in inheritance. The explanation above should answer your potential question. But let me help you out anyway with an elementary explanation: Since women are to be supported at all times, the woman has total control and ownership of her inheritance and wealth, 100%. If she is married, she continues to receive support from her husband. If she is widowed, she is supported by her male family members, eg, brother, etc.

As to education, everyone is encouraged by Qur'an to and hadith to seek knowledge, both religious and secular! A great number of knowledged was passed down from the women around the prophet!

Finally, the hadith that says that paradise or the route of paradise is under the feet of mothers. The prophet also said that when you give, give three times to your mother before you give one time to your father!

Please be sincere and give me an equivalence in the scriptures of the Jews and the christians.

Since people are cultural and most muslims put their cultures in islam, it is not true islam. Islam is Qur'an and Sunnah.

All of these shows your dubiousness and duplicity. On one hand, you elevate the status of women, on the other hand, you use them as sex-slaves and no limit at that to the numbr of sex slaves you can have. We do not even need to go into history for sampls of what your religious mentors do to women this days. In Iran, your god-father, that President is like a god!

Iran basically an Islamic spiritual colony, is the godfather of the Shiite Islamic terrorism,( Saudi Sunnis are an Islamic sect like the Christian Catholics while Shiites are like the Protestant Christians). This Allah's government in Iran is the most evil religious state today. Torture, murder and Islamic absolutism- an Islamic version of Hitler's Nazism, Stalin's Communism and Mussolini's Fascism combined.

There were 5,195 political and religious executions only in 1983 alone! Few years ago a bill was presented in Iranian Parliament asking that in according with the tradition of Islamic prophet, marriage should be allowed with 9 years old girl child!

Human rights are definitely not allowed to exist in the Islamic Iran, where according to the English language Radio Iran, the Holy Spirit of imam Khomeni hovers over Iran all the times. Women have been hanged on suspicion of sexual crimes. Even proved virgins have been sent to gallows, however, they are hanged only after being raped, as Iranian Islam does not allow hanging of virgins. Iran had used its oil money in the interest of Islamic revolutions all over the world, and continues to do so.

Algeria, known for its Islamic civil war continues with its Islamic horrors. Islamic absolutism and totalitarianism is imposed with guns and slaughters in the interest of religion of Islam. Men are usually killed for their religio-political crimes while women are killed just for the crime of being a woman in an Islamic country. Thousands were islamically raped and more than 500 were killed only in 1993.

Women have been killed for not wearing hijab (veil) [/b]or refusing to do so when imposed, for refusing to engage in Iranian-style temporary marriage, [b]for being married to foreign men, and for working and living alone. [/b]The victims have been as young as [b]9 years and as old as 69 years. [b]Women are often raped and tortured before being slaughtered. [/b]Thousands find themselves imprisoned in Islamic camps for no legitimate reasons. It is worth mentioning that women had a respectable status in society before the conquest of Algeria by Islam.

And you com here carelessly to repaint a barbaric Islam. No matter how you empty your water system, you cant eat from it.

olabowale:
And you will never find a more gentle and kind individual who ever walked the face of the earth, than Muhammad. Muhammad took advise from his wife and that is mercy from Allah.

Please keep that to yourself. If your sister had been beheaded because she did not put on her veil or because she committed fornication, you would hav praised allah

olabowale:
My sister, when you respond to me, please speak the truth. I am not blind in my reverence of Muhammad. it is the same with all prophets, including sayidina Isa bin mariam (AS). It is commanded by God the Almighty Allah not to discrimate between the prophets (AS). But my Isa bin mariam, is different from your jesus of the Bible, who you claim to be 1 part of 3 parts of God, which then turn to be One God! Does that make any sense to you?

Has it not been stablished that if there are discrepancies between the bible and the quran, we should sweep the quran aside because it points muslims to the bible for confirmation? So, if the Jesus in your quran is differet from the one in the bible, please throw the quran away and accpt the one in the bible, for that is what your quran orders!

olabowale:
By the way, if you read Qur'an, you will find many verses talking about forgiveness and paradise. I wonder what paradise and mercy and forgiveness, etc are doing in Qur'an. Except that it is meant for the muslims. If the follower goes to paradise, I wonder where the leader goes. Except the highest level of paradise.

yes. A carnal paradise of 72 virgins for you alone oga wale . How you go dey run the show? You go need to dey take agbo and 'opa eyin' for your own paradise to perform

olabowale:
@cgift: Sure. Your claim that my post is making you sleep, is a cheap capout, for oh, i canot face reality. Yet you sit or listen through the falsehood or feel good session of your big time pastors/evangelists! Wow! Your excuse will not wash with me.

Now I am hungry

Olabowale,

your posts is making me sleep

Pilgrim.1,

ride on. heroic welcome dey await you.