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Exactly! You do not need many partners to have knowledge of or like sex. You can have 1 partner or even 5 and have relations over 500 times in say 3 years.

This is why your redefinition of hoe to be "a woman who likes sex" does not carry water. I understand 'hoe' to be the colloquial name for promiscuous woman. By definition, promiscuous is: "having or characterized by many transient sexual relationships ."

Also, you are restating my point on virginity, there does not seem to be a disagreement there.

Now, the first question is not a personal belief but a caricature of an opinion often expressed.

Magnoliaa:
You can know and learn and experience more sexually with one or two partners as you can learn with numerous partners. Does the former qualify as promiscuity? And then I mentioned knowledge. A virgin can know a lot about sex. These have nothing to do with sexual promiscuity. Did you not ask your first question, to imply that, more on the husband's part equates to showing the wife the way? Because Pety was talking about a community prick. Is being a community prick knowing more to lead the wife? Do you have to be a community prick to do that??

Nope. Feminism, and many other isms, are too nebulous.

They have no meaning, as they can mean anything to anybody.

Kobojunkie:
So if some Feminists like A whereas other Feminists like B, does it become sufficient to then conclude that Feminism is about liking A over B?

Even 100 years ago, the decision-making duties were not limited to the father of the household. In Ijaw cultures, there was usually a wife (normally but not necessarily first) who ran the house and even the farm.

Rubbiish:
You can not be answering your husband & father's surname & say u are not under the leadership of that man! Since u now feel u are wiser than God's word & the society. Start answering your mother's surname & also make your kids to answer that same surname. Ewu

Lady hippopotamus hallo

Ah! Of course, there must be a search for a TRUE SCOTSMAN.

Lol.

"If I define all the people who share my identity but say things I don't agree with (or don't want publicized) out of the identity, they don't exist. Right?"

toughchic:
I do not see any feminism favoring women over men. Show me a feminist asking for what she doesn't deserve and I will show you a pseudo-feminist.

It would be best if you point out the ideologies feminists are bringing into their marriages that are causing problems.

And I do not see women crying foul, it's mostly men complaining.

I watched and read many of these religious leaders' commentaries on feminism in marriage and their stance is that feminism stops in marriage.

I stand corrected.

There are many self acclaimed feminists who state that they do hate men. Should their opinion/voice be silenced?

AmazonTopaz:
The picture below explains it

You're defining humanism. Egalitarianism also fits, especially in the gender context.

toughchic:
What you highlighted here is where the problem lies. Many see feminism from this angle and feel it should end here.

But I have taken it upon myself to remind everyone that feminism is a pro-choice and self-liberation movement.

It covers every area of daily life. It's about autonomy too, individualism, self-liberation.

Every human, no matter their gender should make choices for themselves and not be forced into gender roles or stereotypes. And the marriage shouldn't change this.

With feminism, everyone is being liberated from certain things. For example, one who comes from a place where it is deemed abnormal to be covered from head to toe would feel liberated when one can wear whatever they like including clothing that covers all part of their body.
This phenomena is replicated is all other areas.

What actually is feminism?

Anybody can call themselves a feminist. People can, and do, extrapolate their experiences with self acclaimed feminists to the entire identity.

The same is done to nationality, race, tribe, etc: "You're well spoken for a Nigerian", "All Indians are stingy", "White people are racist", "XXXX person smells", etc.

Sexual promiscuity is literally experiencing more partners: more experience. I don't think promiscuity is necessary for a fulfilled sexual life. As long as there is respect, honesty and willingness, a healthy sex life is possible. It is for this reason that I also pay zero mind to virginity.

The post was specifically about a guy with a very high body count. Petyprincess specifically referred to him as a community prick and expressed her lack of desire for such a communal object.

You did give the opinion that such people ("community property" ) are not good 'spouse material', regardless of gender. That was my question, so thanks for answering.

I won't respond to the straw men: redefinition of 'hoe', equating liking sex to 'hoeing', etc; as that would be fruitless.

Also, there is quite a bit of generalization as to what 'men' do which I obviously do not subscribe to.

Magnoliaa:
Okurrr. Lemme attempt this. Interesting questions.

Sexual promiscuity ≠ sexual knowledge and experience? So, I can marry any kind of guy on the sexual scale, BUT if being sexually active makes him prone to cheating and such, then no, I won't like that kind of person for a husband, no matter how much he knows sexually. And yes, same applies to a woman too. Women are sexual beings as much as men are and should not be judged for it, but if a guy feels a particular woman is prone to being sexually unfaithful, he's free to not mingle with her.

Your number 2. Bear in mind that that phrase is borne out of a sexist mindframe and judgement as usual. Such that even if a woman has slept with only one or two guys, she's tagged a hoe. It's not that the woman is promiscuous like that, no. It's simply used to judge and shame women into 'virtuousness' even in cases where it's not true (that they're 'sleeping around'). I believe when men call a woman a h*e, she's simply just being sexual as they are, so I don't believe she can't be wifed. She can like sex and still make a great partner/mother, they are not mutually exclusive.

So I'm guessing your second point ties to the first, and what you're implying is if I believe a woman can be a good wife despite her body counts, then a man can be a good husband in spite of his body counts. They can both be great partners despite their body counts. Yes. Men ordinarily do not face any obstacle concerning that. They can marry even with 200 body counts. So a woman should be able to do so too. And yes, a h*e (an average woman that likes sex) can make a great partner as much as a man who's sexually active and healthy. In these cases, it's not promiscuity.

But in actual cases where both a man and a woman are "community properties", with countless body counts and a reckless sexual life, they both cannot make "faithful and good" husbands and wives.

If a woman that sleeps around cannot be wifed, then a man that does so too cannot be 'husbanded.' (This is what Princess' point is I think).

But average, everyday women who are simply enjoying sex can get married - the same way men have been doing without hitches. You don't have to have countless partners to learn, do you? A woman with experience can teach and guide her husband as well, letting him know what she likes and doesn't.

And for number 3, realistically, some of those women will get married. The same way some fuc-kboys and co. will too. Some people will end up with them. We cannot control that. So I guess they'll be whatever kind of partner they'll be to their SOs. Whether the good or bad or abusive or less than ideal.

Being in a patriarchal society, I will not be an hypocrite if I advocate for men's faithfulness and against community preeks and I don't do same for women. Why? To speak against a woman having sex and for her closing her legs is the norm. The preaching is already being done to women, it's the norm for them. Women have already been preached to and groomed and shamed. To ignore a woman breaking out of those conditions and to face a man who's naturally been permitted and shaming him into celibacy and keeping his zips locked will not be a biased thing to do. (In that context).

Anybody that thinks ALL "insert identifier" are "insert (unwanted) characteristic" needs deliverance.

Do you want a husband that will be able to "show you the way" in the bedroom from day one?

Do you subscribe to the notion that one can't "make a wife out of a hoe"?

What happens to the tens of millions of Nigerian women who have 'dabbled' in runs?

Petyprincess:
I will break up with him, I can't marry community preek.
Men should learn to be with one woman, having countless body counts as a man should not be encouraged.

Thank Doctor.

Fellow Opobian!

TarOrfeeek:
I am going to sue Olobopkiri Comprehensive Highschool, Opobo for N100,000,000.



They switched my destiny with farm labour in our JSS 3.

Look at me, I'm not settled in life.

Beancounter, this makes no sense.

I had a conversation recently with a friend and their dad on this.

We compared plantain price in Nigeria and Canada.

Nigeria produces plantains, Canada imports (I believe from South America.

Say a Nigerian spends N1000 on 5 fingers of good sized plantain.

A Canadian would spend $4 on the same 5 fingers. (~$1/lb). At exchange of $1/N400 = N1600.

The same Nigerian earns N80,000 a month. Equivalent to $200 a month.

The lowest paid Canadian earns $200 (NET) after 2.5 days of work.

Who is gaining and who is losing?

Similar calculations can be done on housing, vehicles, education.

Beancounter94:
For every nice thing they have in Denmark they pay a tax rate of 46% with a tax to gdp ratio of 46%
Nigeria has a tax rate of 24% or less with a tax to gdp ratio of 6.1%. Plus only 30% of the taxable population actually pays taxes
Danish gdp is also higher than Nigerian gdp.


But if the government wants to go that high you guys will complain.

When they tell you to do the work to change your economy from oil dependent to industrial dependency you guys will say it is too hard.

And before you start I don't like APC or pdp. But you guys have to be realistic. You cannot have a Ferrari at the price of a bicycle

Lollittaa:
[color=gray]flee fornication [/color]

How?

Inception:
He is Dead

Full disclosure, pornhub is based in Montreal and is a massive organization. I've met a few people (maybe 2) who actually worked there (not porn stars). These PornHub vidéos that raised controversy were not produced by the company. They were uploaded by individuals.

The site allows people to upload which has been an argument in preventing exploitation. I believe they also require performers to prove their identity before giving them the license to upload. An argument in a more amateurish approach (that I've heard from discussions) is that amateur videos bring people directly to the content, more money for the performers and more 'power' for the mostly female performers who can now provide their 'service' without a studio, director, etc.

On debasement, there are borderline degradation and due to different reasons
e.g: the white guy going to Thailand or some African country, paying girls (and indeed men) a few hundred dollars to produce exclusive content that will make many thousands more is a very common form of exploitation. There have also been some issues about the gay porn but I'm not sure about that and there is little coverage.

Porn is mostly women selling and men buying, that's for sure. Sex work, porn, etc is currently being pushed on young people. With lies. People are being driven into selling themselves under the guise of body positivity and the f word, feminism. Thankfully, I've seen some tik toks of other young ladies calling out this glorification of becoming a sexual object.

On terms like red pill and feminism: people use words however they want. I tend to avoid these 2 terms specifically because they could mean anything. Your feminism (on this issue) is a LOT more prude than a self acclaimed feminist on other social media. Who am I, you, or anyone else, to say who is right and who is wrong. Same goes with red pill talk. Some TRP are more MGTOW while some self acclaimed TRP focus on being pickup artists.

I'd like you to explain how in the market you described: women selling physicality (many forms without any actual sex) to men who have no other option; 'men have the power'? I don't believe I ever said anything about any gender broadly having the 'power' and I have no 'side'. I'm neither buying nor selling sex (no matter how much you ask )

I also reject, out of hand, any notion of 'patriarchy' in the classic feminist sense of the word: men ruling and controlling the world with men being servants. There is no patriarchy and there hasn't been format least a few hundred years globally.

There is a lot of porn as you described already. The amateur porn industry is huge and disperse. This is what onkyfans was used for before covid. People watch this kind of porn: men and women. I will also caution against extrapolating all women's sexual desires. Not all (I'd say not even a minority) want blasé sexual experiences. In direct contradiction to your assertions, Google pegging feminist. You should find a plethora of articles on the subject. The desire for rougher elements like choking, r*pe 'play', etc is also a fascinating topic of research and study which I fear you are alien to. I listened regularly, many years ago, to a 'feminist sex' podcast. The number one problem for ladies was that their men were not rough enough. The classic dilemma was: "I want him to try XYZ, or be harder, rougher, slap me a little, objectify me but don't know how to tell him I want these things". I haven't watched 50 shades of grey and likely never will of my own volition. However, I read the first book. The sex in the book was rough, degrading, etc. I've been informed by friends that the movie is at least as drastic as the book. That movie is loved by women, including feminists. I think your idea of what men and wome want in the bedroom (or kitchen) is incomplete.

Cheers. That was wayyy too long. Let me go and look for money biko.

Magnoliaa:
Hmm. Okay, lol.


Yeah, but that's because of the "exposé." Being spearheaded by the courageous feminist woman Laila Mickelwait. They "cut" off most of their videos from about 10million+ or so to just a little more than 2 million. That's the cleanup you're referring to, right? I think there's a difference between abuse being on the outskirts of an organization, than it being its core. If abuse wasn't central to pornhub — why that MASSIVE cleanup? Sure they cannot control everything, so let's say about 500,000 to a million videos escaped their notice, but guyyyyy these people have deleted almost all of their website, lmao. A user was even complaining that all the cool stuff on Xvideos are gone as well because they don't want pornhub 2.0. If you had to delete the "cool stuff" from your porn site for fear of legal clamp down and lawsuits, that says a lot about the stuff on there. Then again, pornhub owners are/were aware of these things. They know. Some of the women taking up charges against the giant company talk about how pornhub approved videos of their rape, their identities fully disclosed and they try to get them to take it down but they wouldn't.


Really? You think so? How much cleaner? In what areas? What's something about it that's changed from then compared to now?


Wow. Okay. I don't know some of these things you're saying. They're new to me, especially from the male's POV but I'm willing to see things from that angle. You aren't being antagonistically "men, too, so shut up about women's issues" and it's easy talking about them. And what they face. What you've described is heartbreaking and pitiful, if true (but really most likely true, because it's the porn industry). Nobody should be getting degraded and used in such ways whether they are a minute or major percentage. No man deserves to live like that. Selling and objectifying himself. I know how hard it is for women already; the trauma and all, so I can imagine how it must be like for the men in the industry, but still I exactly do not know, yunno? I'm sure being a man adds a unique layer of experience to what they go through.



Hmm. This is a lot to take in. But firstly, really?? MGTOW supports that and encourages men not to pay for women's sexual services? Wow. That's awesome. And shocking and surprising. Iiiiii see the difference of framework here now, but hearing that I don't exactly think we want different things. It's just how we conceptualize and approach our sexes' issues that cause all the whole big drama. I see it as men buying and women selling. And that idea, of nipping males' demand for women's sexual services is a radical feminist idea. Yes. I don't want men paying/buying and I don't want women selling. This set up fuvks up our relationships the more, but most people don't see it and it's too complex a discussion to go into. Although, on 'your' side, you tend to see it as women having the power, but from 'here' it's you men who have the power. And consensual healthy relationships as well. Yes, radical feminists support this (they are not the separatist ones and most people do not know this). Radical feminism (and the second wave) is actually against prostitution, pornography, sex dolls, BDSM, the beauty industry, surrogacy/eggs donation (it deals with the ROOT, but I'm neither pro- or anti- the things I just listed exactly, but I agree with some of their views). Men kill themselves doing crimes to make money, women kill themselves doing surgeries to get perfect bodies. What they are getting is what the other sex desires and has been conditioned to want.

I believe these things developed or are encouraged, as we're social beings. And from my little knowledge, there is no evidence of these practices in our ancestors...the hunters-gatherers (these are the first, right?) Those people were more equal and egalitarian — sexually and socially — predating communism, capitalism, organized religions, agricultural and horticultural, city-state societies. You can cite examples of orgies of our 'ancestors' and sacred ancient sexual texts and inscriptions on temple walls to show the basis of humans' sexual wildness, but did our history start from there? If we go farther back than all of that? It's evident patriarchy hasn't always been the default, ergo, its associated imbalances and ills and conditions.

Yunno, if porn should become "feminist" it'll cease to be porn as we know it. You'll only have homemade videos of clumsy, imperfect humans having 'natural' sex/lovemaking, plus intimacy. I doubt a high number of everyday people will want to have such videos being consumed for others' viewing pleasure. And, because men are much of the visually inclined gender, with their adrenaline and all and major consumers of porn that gets them off quickly, the hair-pulling, choking, pounding deep-Drinking ass-gaping shits will continue to sell. I don't know how you wanna make those feministic because women (collectively) will not even watch. Unless they are groomed and brainwashed.

1. Are you really a woman?

2. How has driving been?

3. I have a family friend that wants to drive. A lady with license and multiple years driving.

4. Can you find drivers for me?

Billiodollars:
Location in PHC??

I've been looking for this exact service in port.

Please check your email.

hecha38:
Sori

Meanwhile if you're in port Harcourt and u have a car that's not being used. What are u waiting for? When u can get 30k+ every single week from taxify or pamdrive. Just call me I'll put you through. 100% legit.

Is that girl not young? She looks anywhere from 15 - 20.

Looks to be in great shape.

Must be running or something to keep a flat tummy.

Puking

Lollittaa:
[color=magenta]shocked? [/color]

These airports don't need concessions.

They need major companies (WITH EXPERIENCE) to buy say a 40% stake.

That keeps the company interested in making money forever.

Tommmmybigd:
Having sex with minors sweet gan, thrusting your big dick after makin her wet, I'll fuuuuuuk one later in the day, she's 17

There's nothing wrong in being considered a prude. I prefer to be less prudish with the right people.

Pornhub has done a massive cleanup of their site but no video uploading site with millions of hours of footage can stop all unacceptable videos from going up. Even for a few minutes. Not even Youtube.

I must say that the internet is A LOT cleaner now than 20 or 15 years ago.

The porn industry as a whole has serious sexism. Male actors are paid much less than female actors and black males suffer severe racism: by viewers and people in the industry. I also think way too many men debase themselves just to get with some porn 'celebrity' and many male 'fans' perform for free or pay for it.

I think young men need to be guided, by other men, to focus on themselves, to never overpay (or at all) for porn, onlyfans, models, etc. This is one of the positives of MGTOW for young growing men. Overall, I don't see the usefulness of porn when one is in a healthy, consensual relationship. I don't think it is a 'good' but I expect it to be here forever with even wierder and more risque categories/divisions, etc.

Magnoliaa:
I appreciate your views as well. Thanks for sharing and being respectful. I just tend to avoid discussing about it as it can be quite "divisive." Especially when you're automatically labeled a prude for having criticisms about it. It's a kind of grey area for me concerning your third point especially. I don't have all the facts. How much of porn is consensual/misogynistic? How many are independent-owned/corporate-owned (like Pornhub and co.)? And which of those groups control and drive mainstream attitude towards sexuality (and women)? You can find evidence for and against any position. Pornhub right now is an hotbed of abuse, child and revenge porn, clips of women flashing (without their knowledge), etc., and is embroiled in a series of legal battle with different women, there's no proper verification of uploads nor users/members. And *that* is the go-to number 1 site for the average male to get off (you should see their annual statistics mehn). So it's somehow like the "not all men" clapback. So which man? Yes, not all porn, too. But which porn or how many? It's just such a sad phenomenon.

Yeah, we don't know it all and cannot do it all. Alone.

- I don't think porn is a good thing. Kids are getting started on porn from as young as 8 nowadays (not just in Nigeria). Kids are not starting from porn websites directly, youtube "children cartoons" and even classic Cartoon shows generate such interest.

- It is not easy to parent exactly how you would like. What I mean is, from my understanding, I will have to police my children's tv shows, online viewing, monitor screen time, get them involved in as many outdoor activities as is healthy, etc. I will be a very involved parent.

- Porn is very liberalized now such that abuse of female pornstars is quite rare. Porn performers now can control their 'art' and be their own distributors. There is also different fields/genres that the possibility of abuse seems quite low.

- I think porn is bad for many guys. The christian community has a serious problem with porn that remains unaddressed until marriage. For at least the last 2 decades, there has been a "war on porn" in the christian community.

I appreciate your honesty and truthfulness on your approach to the matter. No one is perfect and I'm not always right ( )

Magnoliaa:
Okay. I have no problem with his ideology towards porn. It is very very possible to raise your kids to detest porn and for them to desist from watching it even behind your back. Okay, they 'can' watch it or maybe see it, accidentally or for educational purposes of sort (if you don't create a rigid taboo principle in your house, they won't be curious or be enamored with whatever it's about). To know what actually happens in it. It seems to me you are coming from a place of its inevitability. I don't believe people can't do without watching it. It seems that way because it's so normalized. Something is/happens ≠ it's okay, but people think otherwise. I'm against pornography, from a feminist stance. And yes, I've watched it before. I don't as a habit. Like going searching for it or intentionally seeking it often. I'm not addicted but I want to stop watching it completely (as in times when I come across it). I don't even ever want to see it. For life. But until I completely (build my resolve and) stick to that value, so as not to seem like an hypocrite, my criticism of and fight against it will be... kind of less radical. I cannot believe women are harmed by and in it and want people's attitude towards it to change while I support it with my money, data, time and affiliations. Nah.

I no dey argue oh. And I'm not being a moralist here. Ion care what people do with their bodies and cameras, but if it is an avenue for perpetrating women's subjugation and inequality... which mainstream porn happens to foment... if you believe otherwise, OK, 'You're right.'

A lady in port Harcourt wants to rent a car to do taxify.

She has a license and her hand is strong.

Are there services that can rent to her or do hire-purchase? What info will they need?

A lady in port Harcourt wants to rent a car to do taxify.

She has a license and her hand is strong.

Are there services that can rent to her or do hire-purchase? What info will they need?

A lady in port Harcourt wants to rent a car to do Taxify.

She has a license and her hand is strong.

Are there services that can rent to her or do hire-purchase? What info will they need?

Watch.

Even if it is one time.

Magnoliaa:
Their children? You know that his children will act porn, abi?

Kudos to her for enjoying herself.

I don't see what the big deal is here.

That marriage ends the self ownership of one's body.

bukatyne:
What don't you agree with?

Marital rape is not seen in the Bible, I know that very well. Cc

I can't agree to that notion though

bukatyne:
I am the queen of 'I don't believe in marital rape.'

I opened a thread years back after research using the tenets of Christianity, Islam and Nigerian Civil law which was banned as several peeps tore their underwears and went bonkers on the thread.

I should have the writeup somewhere if I check my files.