₦airaland Forum

jomonic:
Your ideas on this topic is great. We should focus first on core Igbo. Charity begins at home.

Regarding the highlighted, we should focus first, second, third and fourth on Igboland.

Ikenna0b:
Why should Biafrans do that?
If we start banning things that we see unfavorable to us then we be no more different than Nigeria.
The goal is to grow, not retrogress.

Freedom of religion would be allowed in Biafra and noone can intimidate or belittle anyone over their religious belief.
Islam might not have the best reputation right now but you must remember, there's good and bad Muslims just like we have good and bad Christians.
Also, judging by how things are going...Judaism might be the biggest religion in Biafra, if you're a Christian, will you like it Nnamdi Kanu ban Christianity?

Thanks man. We can't have government interference in religion. That's a recipe for crisis.

deomelo:
States can not take care of any social need or welfare without money or revenue in form of IGR.

Really? You're so sure.

Interesting thread.

I didn't know that the government's main function is to maximize IGR. I always thought that the formal function of government was to maximize social welfare.

Here I was thinking taxation is just a means to an end and not the main objective of government. You learn stuff everyday.

"Teacher don't teach me nonsense.."

hornyofife:
I think this is a better way to start..

Don't mind the sensational headline. The IYC position is in sync with the way most Igbo see this struggle. We don't want a mini-Nigeria.

Good one by My Iyalla.


Another nail on the coffin of the colonial prison camp.

jotey:
Oga they answer igbo names...speak igbo dialect so how are they not igbos?

Why are you asking me? Am I Ikwerre? You should find them and ask them.

How dem matter take concern me?

jotey:
you must be joking?
ikwerres are igbos

are you planning on leaving them behind because they are not in the SE?

Ikwerre are not Igbo. They said so themselves. We are not "leaving" them, they opted out ( loudly and rudely, I might add). Besides they don't bring much to the table and are really tangential to our plans.

KratosCorp:
Bro. Pazeanza, this here is gold.

Thank you bro Curlieweed. But I thought they said weed is not good for mental health? Or is it the Curlie factor and fragrance playing out?

Personally, I haven't touched the herb since I was a teenager. The hassle is too much.

However, as a libertarian I believe that the government has no right to make laws against an activity that doesn't harm third parties. It's not the role of government to protect us from ourselves.

pazienza:
Exactly!

Knowing the bitterness, envy, jealousy and strife of our neighbors, we must develop a strong military base to protect ourselves from their hate.

Hate is a terminal illness, there is no curing it, you can ask Israelis how it's going down with Arabs. Hate only understands one Language, and that Language is retaliation.
When a haters know that you will retaliate against their hate directed at you with ten times more venom than they could ever produce, it keeps them in check.

This is how we secure our new nation from surrounding haters.

I totally agree with you.

Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.

askaboutbiafra:
Government are the primary drivers of economic activity using Fiscal and monetary instruments at their disposal. African government are poor because they are lazy and lack vision.
To answer your questions directly
1. Yes, mutual benefitial accords and agreement can be reached with any party through negotiations. Nigerians still patronise Cotonou. If you remove Nigeria as a neighbour to Benin Republic, the port in Cotonou will probably noy be viable.

2. Yes, goods can be cargoed from friendly countries with seaport if the right agreement are in place

3. Through fiscal and monetary policies. We will quickly need to establish our very powerful central bank staffed by some of the best brains from whatever field.

4. Everybody is free to contest an election, it is left for the people to either embrace or reject them. Trust me, Ndigbo are very observant people, and will choose leaders that will best serve their interest.

5. International laws guarantees that our proprieties will be protected. It will be economic suicide if other government introduce rash policies.

Some good points. However #5 isn't realistic. Over the years several countries have from to time appropriated alien assets in their territory with little or no international opposition. It's safer to bet that our erstwhile compatriots will most likely resort to such measures and plan from there.

askaboutbiafra:
Thank you for your contribution. Your assumption is a Biafra with only the five states of Imo, Anambra, Ebonyi, Enugu and Abia. We know Biafra is more than that. However let us asume only those five states. The development will be at a faster pace, because it will be achieved in a compact land area meaning development will get to everywhere quicker. Also the shared language and culture removes several obstacles in the way of development.
Remember Abia in not too far from the sea. Also there are deals to be done to integrate any community that share the vision of hardwork and resoursefulness into Biafra

That is a very safe assumption for now (5 SE states). It is also a good one to work with.

In your other post, you mentioned something about Lagos port and Lagos generally. Any plan that doesn't include a total and complete exit not only from Lagos but the rest of Nigeria will be impractical and doomed to failure. Africa as a whole is responsible for only about 3% of world trade. You should focus on the 97% and develop strategies to participate therein by investments in human capital, infrastructure and culture.

pazienza:
By the way, I don't believe Biafra( Igboland) is landlocked.

But even if that be the case, it's not the end of the world, Ethiopia became landlocked after bitter war with Eritrea resulted in Eritrea secession, they are today making more developmental strides than the failed colonial British estate.

Landlocked Biafra would be in good company with Botswana, Rwanda, Ethiopia, etc, countries with better developmental strikes and brighter future than Nigeria.

Nigeria should stop crying more than the bereaved.

I don't think all this is necessary. If your opponents believe that you're land locked and lack critical resources (including oil and gas as well as land), it's not a smart strategy to disabuse their minds.

We know our geography as well as our local issues. We don't need to share these with the whole world as it only serves to harden attitudes.

Gracebae:
lol...ibibio man or nothing. Our men are the most caring men..

Actually, my sister is married to an Ibibio guy. I should ask her.

Anyway, men from everywhere are usually caring but na you women dey spoil some guys

pazienza:
Remove Ikwerre. We focus on SE, Enuani, Egbema, Oyigbo, Isobo, and Umuezekoha clan in Benue.
While we keep the door open for any other Igboid group.

Biafra must and as a matter of necessity become an Igbos only agitation, that's the way we generate the critical mass needed to propel the agitation into the next level.

Igbophobia like you likely pointed out is a terminal disease, there is no curing it.

Bro,

Funny enough I don't think we should forget Ikwerre.

They had a narrow escape in the old Rivers State and they should know what would happen again either in a possible ND republic or a future Nigeria without Alaigbo. I actually see them returning to the fold if we can achieve a referendum.

Gracebae:
that is why i believe its better we start identifying ourselves by ou ethnic groups and stop lumping everybody into Niger delta. Niger delta is not an ethnic group, neither is it one. it is made up of several nations and we are a different at that.

most of those who carry that we ND rubbish on their head are usually the down south riverine tribes especially the ijaws and those west of the Niger. Have anyone hear or seen our people carry guns in the name of militancy? we are too busy,educated,hardworking and sophisticated just like the igbos for that. We focus on the real deal to which at the end obong victor attah is the real father of resource control together with ekwueme an igboman who suggested and fought for the 13% derivation we in the Niger delta are enjoying today...that is why i keep telling them, without the igbos , i pity us because we will be worse than the kurds in Iraq. The igbos have always been with us at critical times from resource control to jonathan, i wonder how our people develop short memories these days

E be like say you get one Igbo BF. .

This kind support for NL cannot be ordinary.

Anyway, I have Annang family members but every man for himself. I'm sick and tired of multiethnic nations.

Good fences make good neighbors. Abeg.

mekuzi09:
Guy, you dey see Afonja for your dream?

The thing tire me.

Me self, I am going to say my own oh.

Nnamdi Kanu don talk him own.

FFuk don follow, " ... Oduduwa or death"


My own is..


Legalize cannabis or I die

Lightblazingnow

When you hear criminals in power talking grandiloquently about the "vision of the founding fathers" , they actually mean founding farters. They (the founding garters) farted all over the foundation and today the place has fulfilled it's design as a fully matured filthy latrine.

laudate:
Interesting. A wise man once said that "if you are planning to build a house, please sit down and count the cost, or else you might start the project and be unable to finish it." Houses that stand the test of time, are not built by assumptions, but by thorough planning, skill, adequate risk management, appropriate costing, sufficient material and human resources, technical competence and expertise.

All we are doing on this thread, is to help our friends who are bent on secession, count the real cost of their proposed actions on all fronts, so that there would be no lamentations later, from their end.

We know their modus operandi, already. They often embark on a course of action without checking all the possible outcomes that might arise, or designing foolproof ways to combat or mitigate them.

That was why they could not foresee that food would run out in their enclave in 1967, or that an economic blockade would bring their republic to its' knees in less than 3 years after the war started. They were banking on the illusion that their enemies would not interfere with their food supply.

Today, they are banking on our govt authorities to give some some kind of free pass, naturalisation process or dual citizenship to remain in Nigeria, after their new republic comes on stream, despite the fact that nobody on this side of the divide has given them any guarantee or assurances in this regard.

This was how they banked on another region following suit once they had declared secession, despite the fact that the leader of that region came back again to remonstrate with their bearded general to withhold action, before declaring a republic. Till date, those chaps from the SW are still vilified for not following their lead.

The secessionists had also based their hopes on sentimental rhetoric from their leader and promises from foreign allies, as sources of ammunition that would help them win the war. Their hopes did not pan out, and their dreams were dashed. They were helplessly outmanned, outgunned, outmaneuvered and outflanked. So they turned round to accuse the Nigerian side of genocide. They forgot that war is not a tea party and when you go to war, people die. May the souls of the dearly departed on both sides, rest in peace.

I wish all pro-Biafra advocates Godspeed, in your quest for secession. But please, if things do not turn out the way you hoped, kindly do not blame Nigeria, its' citizens or their allies for not giving you some phantom support, which they never promised you in the first place. Our response to you at that time would be: "We told you so."

Good luck in your quest for independence.

_{*PS: No need for hate mail, please. Just sharing my thoughts. Insults, tantrums and vitriolic responses will not be dignified with an answer}

I can only quote one of my heroes.

"Don't worry about my mouth O
I dey use chewing stick every morning

Don't worry about my dress O
Different fashion dey for Africa"

Or words to that effect

Please worry more about your well planned and glorious "one Nigeria" paradise.

We will suffer, we will die but no wahala. We like am like that.

Nsogbu adighi.

"The five stages of grief; denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance are a part of the framework that makes up our learning to live with the one we lost."

This is an interesting thread.

I can't decide on which of the 5 stages of grief our "One Nigeria" detractors are. We have definitely seen the "denial" and "anger" but looks like a lot of them have jumped way past 'bargaining' and 'depression' to finally, sweet victory, "acceptance".

They can apparently now only muster a weak, "we won't allow you to visit". "Go with only your 5 core Igbo states"

Pathetic!

Like any hard core secessionist gives a flying fvck.

Mujtahida:
I detest them. I always say politicians have never developed a single nation throughout history. Only leaders, visioneers and practical dreamers develop nations. I ask you what problem does Chukwuka have with Musa? Nothing. Wait let a politician whisper his poisonous word into their ears.

And they love wars. They create the situations that makes war possible.

Your last paragraph is how everybody must start to think. See the attached

Interesting article but riddled with inaccuracies. Diezanni is Ijaw and not Igbo. Ngozi is Delta and not SE. Barth was fired for basically disagreeing with the handling of the on-going privation exercise in the power sector (which turned into a disaster). So, how powerful was he, really. No one shared the money for Lagos - Calabar rail.


Nitpicking aside, whatever he said about the Igbos at the Center applies to every other group in the same situation. I think people are too keen ethnicize issues that are primarily structural in nature.

Mujtahida:
I am not well versed about the Ethnic configuration of the south East and south South beyond knowing of Igbos, Ijaw, Anang, Efik, Ogoja, Isoko, Ekwerre, etc but I generally like to be aware of all the Ethnic groups in this country. Cos it reflects my background growing up on the Airforce Base Makurdi.

Your last paragraph is how the ordinary man in the street with all his practical realism and common sense reasons but then we have politicians to complicate things.
"Politicians are people who , when they see light at the end of the tunnel, they go out and buy more tunnel" John Quinton.

I often say that in any place where you find the drums of war beating just know that politicians have finished their work.

Hmmm Lol. You no like polithievcian at all.

I don't think they like war it's just a result of their narcissism and short sightedness.

It's always amusing when people say that the "North" needs the "South" for their oil. The question I ask is always, which "North". Less than 5% see any benefit from the oil but you keep hearing clowns claiming to represent the "North" threatening genocide and mayhem because of oil.

Mujtahida:
But our ethnicities do not have clearly defined boundaries. Igbo speaking(ethnicity) is different from igboland just as English speaking does not equate to the UK(linguistic native land of English) . That's where the issue of the igboid groups comes in.

But I agree with the rest of your points. We are in a tight bend. Bone done hook us for neck.

I don't like getting into that argument about who is Igbo or not. Some charlatans have already captured that space. Linguistically, there are only two igboid languages, Igbo and Ekpeye. Apart from Ekpeye (spoken in Ahaoda area) all the other dialects are Igbo. That's a lengthier aside than I intended.

However, I don't think our situation in this country is as intractable as you may think. It's just the refusal to discuss with even the smallest groups with respect ( rather than the threats and intimidation we see on this thread) that's missing.

Mujtahida:
Ethnic groups in this country have weaponised their resentments and have learnt to use it against this nation like a manipulative bitch. When a Southerner is at the helm of affairs, terrorists in the North will start throwing bombs, when a Northerner is in charge, Southerners will start bursting pipes or crying for their country. But the people, I mean ordinary Nigerian are foolish. They do not see the dialectical game being played on them by politicians because they think they have their OWN politicians. Shame on us all. We have our politicians, we fight for them, kill for them, bomb for them, when they fail us we cry for Biafra. Our politicians don't give a damn, a flying ferk about us! They don't OWN us. They love only themselves (remember Babangida's daughter's wedding in Minna?) Any shingbai they are out, to the UK, to USA, to Canada and we will roast ourselves like suya again. No oooo. I got my eyes on dem Sarakis, Abdullahis, Kyaris, Fayose, Lai, Ngige, Uba etc. They are our enemies. Death to all of them.

When I was growing up, I had similar ideas like those you espoused here.

Yeah, politicians are narcissistic and evil but they come from the ranks of the people and have to (at the very least) pretend to represent their interests. They're like politicians the world over. The only difference is that they can get away with a lot more because apart from when people are discussing Biafra ( mostly driven by fear/hatred of the other), no one honestly really gives 2 fvcks about Nigeria as a nation. If they did, NA soldiers won't be fleeing at the sight of ragtag BH fighters.

While I still believe in the inherent goodness in all humans (regardless of tongue or creed), you have to agree with me that the mental picture we have about our country is totally at variance with the "One Nigeria" people pretentiously mouth in public. In reality, we have Tivland, Igboland, Hausaland and so on. Just look at the amount of energy that is spent debating if Lagos is Yorubaland or not. Is PH Ikwerreland or Ijawland? That is the reality. 57 years later we still don't have Nigerians, we have Annang, Nupe, Igbirra etc. That's the reality. We can't bury our heads in the sand we need to face it. It's not like ethnicity say in the US, our ethnicities have clearly defined geographical boundaries.

What we (secessionists) are saying is that the actual countries should simply follow the mental pictures we all carry in our heads. If some of these nations want to come together they could do so on the basis of mutual respect and benefit.

Rossikki:
The Biafra thing will be a disaster for the average Igbo guy, who will just turn to a local champion.

No more shuttling around Naija. Once you leave Owerri, Enugu, Aba, Onitsha etc, you are a marked man. You enter Jos, trouble. Find yourself in Benin, wahala. Kaduna, forget it. Abuja, who dash you? Lagos, the worst. Na bulala dem go take drive you.

Are you guys really ready for that kind of life?

Yes we are. There are over 200 countries, I can't stroll to casually. So what difference does one or two more make? Please get serious and stop making up nightmare scenarios.

ahaika23:
Well, that may be true about the over 80% of the area of the SS that was carried along by Ojukwu in the first Biafra but you failed to ask one question, were the people of that region engaged in robust discussion before he went ahead to include us in Biafra. That was not done and that is one of the reason why there is the mistrust among us. It should not be allowed to repeat itself again.

While I am vehemently opposed to including any non- Igbo group in Biafra 2.0, your assertion above has to be challenged for lack of historical accuracy.

"Col. Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu, before the declaration of secession, convoked an Eastern Nigerian consultative Assembly to decide on the direction and way forward for the Eastern Region after the 1966/1967 pogrom against Easterners in the north. The assembly debated on many names put forward by delegates and chose Biafra which was put forward by Frank Opigo an Ijaw"

There was no record of dissension along ethnic lines and as such your idea of engaging people before including them in Biafra.

hucienda:
Is he a D or R?

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Definitely an R. D's are too chicken shit politically correct to say the truth.