₦airaland Forum

Wiseandtrue:
All these anywhere belle face leaders

They are the very reason, this country is the way it is.

They only care about themselves

For OBJ to make this comment, Ghana Must Go bag go don waka tire

The followers who praise and worship these failures and could even vote for them agains should they vie for office are our actual problem. Specifically speaking those who laid the foundation of our problem in this dispensation are those who voted for a recycled Obasanjo in 1999 thereby opening the doors wide for all other past failures to seek to be recycled too into office.

I am having a hard time coming to terms with the observation that this is the same Wike who used to be hailed and adored as messiah and Lion of the Niger Delta by the "We the SE/SS" crew in the early post 2015 presidential election days now has suddenly become a despicable villain in the eyes of the same crew. How times change! Given the accolades they bathed and literally soaked Wike in for purportedly emasculating Amaech, I couldn't have in my wildest imagination pictured the same set of folks later having any reason whatsoever to later become relatively pro-Amaechi while wishing Wike death

Eriokanmi:
Obasanjo’s ex-PA on Security, Protocol, Simeon Eze...hmmm. hate him or like him... the truth remains OBJ is the only detribalised Nigerian leader I've ever known

A detribalised Nigerian who rolled out the tanks in Odi and Zakibiam but couldn't do same for Ota his homeland for a similar scenario

ArcSEMPECJ:
It depends on the foundation, the charisma, the energy the VP is known to be addressed.....

Atiku was never a spare tyre.....he fought Obansanjo in some decision making , we can't have a president who can't fight out one decision for himself ,....tradermoni comes to mind, Nigerians are no fools

Atiku never fought Obasanjo over genuine public interest. He only began to fight Obasanjo when his ambition to succeed him began to be rejected by Obasanjo

Kenturkey048:
Well.,, nicely said..But if you say you are judging by northerners tossing him around ,that was because he doesn't wanna look tribal unlike the general in power presently .He was more reasonable..

If you say you judge by deziani's loot,meaning all Nigerian past leaders are weaklings because the looting nor start from am, just that APC then used propaganda finished is tenure..

I don't know about the abba morro's killing , but the killing presently superceeds that of any Nigerian leader in history., And the general in power isn't saying shit....

Per the bolded; any president who deliberately sacrifices his own region's interest just because he wants to appear reasonable and detribalised is a very naive person who has not learnt anything from Nigeria's political history as experience has consistently shown since 1960 that there is no extent to which you may act detribalised and still not be termed a tribalist and viewed with suspicion.

aviara:
The Yoruba's are responsible for the present mess we found ourselves as a nation. They discredited the Jonathan's regime and supported a northern candidate at the expense of the south. Will you really blame him if he decides to accept the offer and complete his second term which he was denied of in 2015?

Blame the likes of Tinubu, Laid Mohammed, Bukola Saraki, Rotimu Amechi etc who were too blinded by their respective political ambitions and interests.

What has always kept me in a state of puzzle about this your kind of narrative that has been peddled since 2015 is whether if Jonathan himself had had a second term he too wouldn't have handed over power to a Fulani moslem that the PDP would have chosen as his successor in 2019. So how would you have avoided the continuation of this present situation of the country which even remotely started from the Yaradua administration which Jonathan was an integral part of? If we are to be very honest with ourselves and not seek political correctness we would rather admit that the present situation of Northerners unproductive and retrogressive dominance of power has its roots in the 1999 decision of the SS and SE to collude with the North in recycling the failure called Obasanjo who they preferred for no reason of good leadership credentials but for his credentials of having being their trusted stooge from the South . Didn't Yorubas warn us SS and SE about what bleak future an Obasanjo choice over Falae held out for Nigeria's political stability and prosperity on the long run? Or you think the undesirable happenings of today could be treated in isolation from Obasanjo's misrule?

zeusdgrt:
The basic assertion that jonathan neglected his own to appease the north is far from the truth,when Yar adua was in power the same assertion was pushed by the northerners after militants were given packages to surrender their arms for peace and development.Now jonathan stepping into the shoes of same assertion wanted a place for all where developmental strides and grow simultaneously hence he reformed the NDDC under him to carry massive project as well he also developed the north,the main reason he was voted out was for tribalism by the north and greediness by the west and few south but they had to find a bases to discredit his tenure hence the media,boko haram etc was effected even protest that the lifeless one is against today was undertaken by him.Jonathan never neglected his people the sabotaged his efforts to make it seem so.Even confab was for the same reason of simultaneous growth in all regions.

So Jonathan lied against himself when he declared publicly in Portharcourt that he purposely denied his own region of democracy dividends in order not to appear regionally bigoted? Yaradua initially attacked Niger Delta with violence but had to succumb when the Militants'reprisal attack on oil facilities drowned the economy by 75% within two weeks of intense onslaughts. I am at loss as to how Jonathan reformed NDDC, and yet the commission has since his reign till this moment sunk further and further into mind boggling corruption as exemplified by the revelations that emanated from the recent probe of the body .. No one discredited Jonathan’s tenure other than himself. Boko Haram started existing in 2002 and that was eight clear years before Jonathan ever dreamt of becoming president, so the narrative that Boko Haram was created to discredit his government has no logical basis. If at all any person or entity was guilty of using Boko Haram to discredit Jonathan's government then it was his own party PDP because those who threatened to make Nigeria ungovernable if he contested and won the 2011 election in the persons of Alhaji Lawan Kaita, Adamu Ciroma and Atiku were all members of the PDP. Then Andrew Azazi Owoye the Bayelsa born National Security Adviser to Jonathan threw more light on it all by revealing that Boko Haram was a fall out of internal power struggle within PDP for which he got sacked by Jonathan and soon afterwards died in very questionable circumstances without Jonathan ever probing that death. The same West and part of the South you accuse of voting against Jonathan out of greed in 2015 all queued behind him in 2011 so your theory of greed doesn't hold water. They all rather supported him in 2011 because he as of then came across as the God sent messiah judging from his humble background coupled with the fact that he was not in any way connected to the militaristic establishment which had held Nigeria by the jugular since 1966 and the perception that he, being a native of the region hardest hit by the injustices wrought on the country by the faulty structure and militaristic Oligarchy 1999 constitution and others before it, would be genuinely committed to the task of bringing about a genuinely just fair and equitable constitution unlike Obasanjo and Yaradua who did all they could to sustain that fraudulent constitution. But against every expectation Jonathan became a strong advocate of the unjust status quo in both his actions arguments and choices. In fact he began to hobnob with members of the very establishment that brought Nigeria to her sorry state and it became clear that hopes of his messiahship were misplaced and that he was just another fortunato in power like his two predecessors hence he was voted out in 2015. Even Festus Odimegwu noted, in his memo against him, that any policy or advice he perceived would endanger his second term bid he, would reject regardless of how noble, just and beneficial to genuine national interest; but would effortlessly heed and implement any policy advice as long as it seemed to oil the wheels of his second term bid machinery regardless of how hurtful and inimical to genuine national interest such might be. Unfortunately you have still not addressed any of the posers I have placed before you as proofs that jonathan was only after satisfying the North in view of pleasing them ahead of 2015

Farolo:
You still don't get it. Buhari is the problem not necessarily the fulanis or hausas. The fulanis doing this rubbish is because of tacit support of silence by buhari.

SE and SS loved Yar Adua and prayed for him when he was ill. Wasn't he fulani? What changed?

Buhari is a very divisive fellow and Nigeria is this mess because of his bigotry which he doesn't even try to hide

Yaradua was equally divisive. Remember that this whole Fulani Herdsmen scourge started under his reign beginning from Plateau and Benue States but he looked the other way and would rather send JTF to attack Niger Delta communities. SS and SE loved Yaradua because of PDP. The proof is that the same SS and SE which hated Atiku like shit in 2007 while he was in AC at that moment and celebrated Obasanjo to high heavens for demonizing him, defaming him and frustrating his presidential ambition later came to love and start rooting for the same Atiku for president after he returned to PDP. Also, have you ever wondered why a lot of SE and SS people continue to love and venerate Obasanjo despite him ordering a genocide in Bayelsa? It is all about party politics and nothing else.
Should Buhari defect to PDP today all the bile against him from these two regions will reduce to the barest minimum.
If what we are presently hearing about Jonathan moving to APC materializes, then watch out to see how the SS and SE people's hero of democracy will become a thief and the worst president of Nigeria in their eyes.
Aren't we currently seeing the venom streaming out from those regions against FFK for making moves to switch to APC? Remember FFK used to be loved so dearly by them while he was still pro-PDP?
Those two regions play more of politics of party than politics of issues.

zeusdgrt:
The south had measures and mechanism put in place by him for growth hence NDDC and the rest,he was simply trying to bring every region to development not trying to please.

First and foremost it wasn't him that established NDDC as you would have us believe. Rather, NDDC was set up as far back as 2000 by the Obasanjo administration and that was a time when Jonathan was still a very obscure deputy governor of Bayelsa State.
Below is the inexhaustive list of the ways he tried to please the North at the expense of the South. I wish you read through and explain how such actions, inactions and choices of his amounted to attempts to bring development to every region:

1. At a time it was reasonably being suspected that the Northern elite was behind the insurgency ravaging the country and spreading down South, Jonathan sacked Andrew Owoye (His own fellow Southerner and Bayelsa kinsman for that matter as National Security Adviser) and replaced him with Dasuki a core member of the Northern Oligarchy. Could you kindly explain how that passed for an attempt to bring development to all regions? If anything, that decision alone became the catalyst that rose insecurity to the cancerous level we battle with today.

2. After reluctantly conceding to midwife the 2014 confab, he openly declared that to him personally, Nigeria's problem has nothing to do with the structure but with corruption which once killed, every other thing would miraculously begin to fall into place. Where in the world has corruption been successfully killed and buried if one may even ask? Please tell us which, between the North and South is notorious for that line of argument if you think he wasn't trying to please the North at the expense of genuine national interest.

3. On being appointed as National Population Commission Chairman in 2014 or so, Festus Odimegwu publicly spoke a very bitter but very much needed truth by declaring that all censuses ever conducted in Nigeria were fraudulent and the figures inflated in both North and South with the objective of making a big catch in federal allocation, and then promised to end that trend in his time by introduction of digital documentation of bio data. Immediately, Governor Kwankwaso of Kano State, reeling from guilty conscience despite Odimegwu accused both the North and South of the menace of inflation of census figures, made a public speech in which he accused Odimegwu of being under the influence of alcohol having only worked in Breweries all his life. Then Kwankwaso proceeded to Ask Rock to mount pressure on Jonathan to sack Odimegwu and replace him with a pliable Northerner which Jonathan didn't waste a second doing thinking that such was an opportunity to connect himself to the sympathy of Kano State's phantom huge voter population ahead of 2015. Could you kindly explain how that amounted to an attempt to bring development to every region?

4. On the opening day of the 2014 confab, Jonathan went to the venue and in his opening speech advised the delegates to use 75% as basis for consensus on any issue. Now, every educated person knows that even the universal 66.7% (i.e. ⅔ majority) is very difficult to secure in most democratic bargains, so what reason would a PhD holder president have for proposing 75% if not to demonstrate to the Northerners some assurance that he had an initio deliberately programmed the confab to fundamentally fail so as to get their sympathy ahead of 2015 election?
Can you explain how his 75% proposal wasn't meant to rather kill the ultimate objective of the confab which was all about putting in place the right kind of structure that would have genuinely brought development to every region? Please recall that when the likes of Idris Kutigi later tried to suggest in one of the sittings of the delegates that the normal democratic ⅔ majority be stuck to as basis for consensus, the core Northern delegates fumed and staged a walkout insisting that the president who midwifed the confab had himself dictated the consensus percentage and must be stuck to. Pray tell me if they would have insisted on sticking to Jonathan's proposal had he suggested say 30% as basis for consensus. And with all these you still believed that Jonathan wasn't trying to please the core North ahead of 2015 but trying to bring development to every region?


5. When the confab had reached an advanced stage, Jonathan again came out to the public and declared that at the completion of the confab he would forward the report to the National Assembly statutorily dominated by Northern representatives for further action. Didn't common sense rather dictate that he sent the report to the masses who asked for the confab in the first instance on account of the fact that it had become obvious that the National Assembly wasn't really interested in anything other than approving offensive allowances for themselves to buy latest model cars and other anti-people concerns? So in exactly which region's developmental interest was Jonathan going to send that report to the National Assembly if not to just a way of proving to the resistant North that he didn't really mean to have the recommendations implemented.

6. Then I guess his building of Almajiri schools in the North when the natives of the riverine areas of his own SS were living in coastal shanties and shades of trees had become their classrooms was an attempt to bring development to every region also?

7. During his campaign in Portharcourt Stadium in the build up to the 2015 election, Jonathan with his own mouth confessed that he purposely denied the SS region of projects because he didn't want to be perceived as a regional bigot. But then by so doing he was actually bigoted against his own people hence still a bigot all the same.

I can go on and on citing countless examples of how Jonathan failed to learn from history that the North is not pleased by any developmental projects or gesture from a Southerner in power.

In summary, Jonathan was massively voted out of power by those he thought he wanted to please, and that served him right.

zeusdgrt:
Oga jonathan was not myopic like u or buhari he never worked based on tribalism or regional sentiment,he was busy trying so hard to please all regions, stretching his arms to all that's why they betrayed him.so stop thinking myopic cz of the road network to his village

He tried hard to please only Northerners and that was why he divided the South which all stood with him in 2011. He sacrificed even the interest of his own SS Region to please the North because he has his eyes on their phantom huge voting population against 2015

olajizz01:
You are very correct man,had it been we still practiced regional politics, SW would have gone far in terms of development.

And should we returned to regional government today,you won't believe how this our current politicians will sit tight because of fear


But the irony of it is the North believed they were they purest,corrupt free blabla.

Meanwhile, we know the calibres of our politicians when we were governing ourself.

So you think the regional government was abolished by the North?
You and the guy you quoted need some refresher courses on how some Southerners motivated by shortsighted greed derailed Nigeria from its path of the solid foundation and world class model system of government we started with at independence.

Logan23:


Popular fool vomiting absolute jargon, present proof that under yaradua 3000 niger delta were murdered by the JTF.

I'm waiting.

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Popular idiot like you and Fulani arse licker vomittig arrant nonsense and advertising his irritating ignorance publicly just for political correctness. You are really a lowlife and irredeemable ignoramus.
Here is the proof that Yaradua ordered JTF into killing innocent civilians in Gbaramatu.

https://reliefweb.int/report/nigeria/niger-delta-army-accused-hitting-ijaw-community
Below are the words of the Gbaramatu monarch himself on that massacre ordered by Yaradua
https://www.google.com/amp/s/punchng.com/im-house-arrest-gbaramatu-monarch-cries-outovie-okpare-warri-traditional-ruler-gbaramatu-kingdom-warri-south-west-local-government-area-delta-state-oboro-gbaraun-ii/%3famp=1

Then below was when your slave master Yaradua signed shariah into law in early 2000 in a state that also had indegenous christians all within a secular Nigeria and you still believe in your idiotic mind that Yaradua was not a religious bigot.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/860660.stm

I just hope that the links above would for once make you stop eating Lamidi Cownu's poo. Big Ipobian goat!

Well, those who queued up behind him for a second term have the duty to query him on this decision of his.

PaChukwudi44:
Yaradua was never a bigot

yet he signed shariah into law in a state that had indegenous christian population? The same Yaradua ordered the massacre of over 3000 civilians in Gbaramatu in the name of smoking out militants. He filled most sensitive posts with his fulani brothers during his reign. Why trying to always be politically correct?

Logan23:
Keep quiet and stop justifying ur stupidity.

Yaradua was not in anyway a terrorist and he ruled Nigeria and none of these nansense happening today ever happened under him.

I repeat, stop justifying ur stupidity of voting for a well established and well know terrorist on order to solve fulani herdsmen militia crisis

You are a full time ignoramus and idiot. Where were you when Yaradua signed shariah into law in Katsina State? Where were you when he ordered JTF to massacre over 3,000 civilians in Gbaramatu and burn down the palace of the monarch? You are indeed a goat. Where you deaf when Yaradua filled all important positions with his fulani kinsmen eg Rilwan Lukman as Petroleum minister despite he had no cognate qualification or experience? Only a dead brain Ipobian would easily forget that Fulani Herdsmen attacks started in 2009 in Plateau State in 2009 with Yaradua looking the other way while ordering JTF to bombard the Niger Delta for Militants fighting for their God given resources. You eat too much of Cownu's poo hence lack Sense. I am rather the one to advise you to stop justifying your ipobic stupidity.

Logan23:
So u voted a known fulani terrorist to solve the fulani crisis. Ok

and you would have voted again in 2011 for Yaradua an equally known terrorist and one of the first governors to sign shariah into law in his state

PaChukwudi44:
And yet you voted for a bigoted fulani man against a fellow Southerner?

Just like you too had voted for Yaradua an equally bigoted Fulani man against fellow Southerners in 2007 and were ready to repeat it in 2011if not for his death

PaChukwudi44:
So you knew about the fulani herdsmen menace yet you voted for Buhari against Jonathan in 2015? Your hypocrisy stinks!!

Fulani Herdsmen scourge started under Yaradua and Jonathan in 2009 without either of them doing anything concrete about it in their respective tenures.

babaolofin:
The IBOs are racists and propaganda masters. They are the greatest liars. I pity them because I know them very well having spent 6 years in a Federal University in that zone. So, a foolish man like you can write rubbish. In which of the books was it written that Akoko Edo people separated from Yorubas. The Akoko people in Ondo State and the ones in Edo up to Itsekiri people are part of the Yoruba people and are fully represented in Awolowo camp till death.

Most of the the things written here are open falsehood just to deny Delta Ibo the slot of IBO .

Look at this idiot and slowpoke speaking with authority and even using abusive language about an issue he knows nothing about. Do I look like an Igbo in your eyes? It takes an idiot like you to claim you know a people more than they know themselves.
Pro-obasanjo Yorubas like you are even worse than Ipobians when it comes to propaganda. Did you ask where it is written that Akoko-Edo people separated from Yorubas? You mean you never read about the 1963 plebiscite? So the mere fact that an Igbo man like Alvan Ikoku was in Awolowo's political camp throughout his life makes Igbos to become Yorubas? Aren't there currently Igbos in Tinubus camp? Weren't there Yorubas in Azikiwe's camp? Since when has political association come to define ethnicity? Below are some indegenous Akoko-Edo names:
1 Emmasealu
2. Oyoifo
3 Ubani
4 Ozioma
5. Oshidu
6. Oyonorifo
7 Ozavisa.
8. Ajimego
9 Okondo
10 Eneze
11. Enevara
12. Ashofor
13 Onyete
14. Ashimizo.
Now tell me what each of them means in Yoruba Language or forever shut your lying mouth

9japride:
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Are you from Edo state? I have lived close to that state and I know to some extent about them.
Same way some mischievous elements even from Edo state will say there are no Ijaw speaking tribes there. I just used that phrase of traveling by to make a statement. I am still looking for any who has direct information on the Yoruba speaking people of Akoko Edo to clarify this matter.

You will wait till eternity because there are really no Yoruba speaking people in Akoko-Edo. The Akoko tag in the name of the place is purely geographical and has nothing to do with the origin of the people. In fact they adopted that name post colonization meaning that before colonial era they were not known as such

9japride:
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I have lived within the Niger delta states majority parts of my life and I know much about Edo state. The percentage of Yoruba there might not be much. If I may ask are you from Edo state? I hope to hear from someone from Edo state make clarification on this matter without being biased.

The truth is that you really don't know anything about Edo State else you should have been able to decipher from my argument that you are actually engaging a native of Akoko-Edo. I have repeatedly challenged you to mention the indegenous Yoruba settlements in Akoko-Edo but you keep saying you are waiting for someone from there to assist you with the names of such phantom Yoruba towns and villages. How come you claim to have lived in Edo State and know much about it yet you don't know the names of the Yoruba villages you claim to know in the state? Isn't that a self contradiction?
There are actually a total of 48 towns and villages in Akoko-Edo and no single one of them has Yoruba as mother tongue. These are a people who freely voted to be carved into the Midwest in the 1963 plebiscite. How come they chose not to remain with their supposed kit and kin in the Old Western Region?

LordOfTheGame:
Idiot try to be nice to yourself and use the brain God gave you. Say the truth, without Mazi Nnamdi Kanu and IPOB reading alarm and shouting about the atrocities of these fulani terrorists, would yo and other southern people have woken up from your romantic bed of illusive One Nigeria?

And you forgot that the originator of the illusive and delusional one Nigeria was your uncle Nnamdi Azikiwe at a time every other tribe including even the Fulanis were asking for de-amalgamation. Nnamdi Kanu himself was once a one-Nigerianist and that wasn't too long ago.

Obasanjo seeking attention again hence saying what he knows that Nigerians love to hear. Wasn't it in his tenure that agitation for state police and power revolution started and he frustrated it?

dowap:
Yea, you stop and observe like Christopher Columbus, you are essentially an explorer, right ?
Look, stop making silly claims.

Don't mind him. I am shocked that a Yoruba person exists who has never read it in any book that Awolowo, the father of Yoruba irridentism, did a comprehensive ethnographic survey of Akoko-Edo area and concluded that the people are not Yorubas in any way neither does the Akoko tag in their name connote Yorubanness hence never targeted them in his Yoruba irredentism. Anyway Obasanjo a Yoruba man whose main desire was to rubbish Awolowo's legacies by banning History in our schools is a native of the Abeokuta which this Yoruba guy hails from hence I am not surprised.

9japride:
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Not just by traveling but by stopping by and observing. There are a fraction of Yoruba speaking people in Akoko-Edo. I hope genuine people from that area can comment on this topic.

So by stopping by and observing for just some few minutes you were able to decipher their actual culture and origin? If you stop by in Jos and observe the people for few hours you are bound to conclude that they are Hausafulanis. But does that actually make them so?

9japride:
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It's not my state, I don't know their names. But whenever I travel within that area I see them a lot and they have Yoruba culture same with Kogi state too especially those sharing boundaries with western states.

So by merely traveling through a place you were able to observe their culture from inside a moving car?

bigfish3k:
You fought, mocked and killed igbos for one nigeria.
Enjoy it

Igbos sabotaged secession clause motion, went first into alliance with Hausafulanis at independence against every wise counsel, and then sentenced Isaac Adaka Boro to death for trying to break up one Nigeria. So enjoy your Azikiwe's one Nigeria.

bigfish3k:
If you stop meat will you also stop them from boarding buses or trailers to the south?

This is the reality of a fucking one nigeria mhen.
Enjoy it, you fought and killed igbos for it. You even mocked them

Igbos invented the one-Nigeria fraud and were the first to fight and kill other tribes for it. Remember Isaac Adaka Boro's travails in the hands of Ojukwu and Ironsi on his attempt to break away from Nigeria?

baddosky1:
The reason they are operating there now is because Obaseki switched to APC. O-shame-ole has paid them to bring insecurity to Edo state!

God punish the generation of those who voted this useless APC into power

I keep wondering how Some Nigerians managed to forget so soon that this Fulani Herdsmen scourge started in Plateau State under Yaradua presidency in 2009. Was Yaradua of the APC?

onuman:
When they talk of black man with little sense, they are talking about black man in southern Nigeria who a tiny Fulani group hold in ransom in one Nigeria created by a foreigner. The bland and blind southern Nigerian can’t see the association of his region with Arewa is like a stumbling block to human and economic development in his southern region.

Tiny Fulani tells an average southern Nigerian that Nigeria is indivisible, he agrees.

Ironically, the philosophy that Nigeria is indivisible and that her unity is non negotiable was the brain child of a Southerner blinded by shortsighted greed and lust for a vainglorious title of Zik of Africa.

9japride:
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They are within the Akoko Edo area which is a bounder town to Ondo state.

You mean you cannot name the towns and villages they presumably occupy in Akoko-Edo?