₦airaland Forum

Fejoku:
Nnamdi Azikiwe being a member of Igbo Union doesn't in anyway affect his stance nationalistic stance.

The primary and chief objective of any tribal union is to pursue that tribe's interest and at the expense of all other competing tribes where and when necessary. Even you yourself will not agree to join an Igbo union in which the interest of Igbos is made secondary behind those of Nigeria or other tribes in the stated aims and objectives section of its constitution. So whoever belongs to any union which membership is tribe-based is a tribalist in the background. And come to think of it, we were first members of our tribes before we became Nigerians and not the other way round. Even the so-called globalists do proritize their nation's interests above global interests. So in practical reality there is nothing like detribalization.

Fejoku:
All your claims about him are centred on one thing which is lack of trust for him. You felt he was insincere and wasn't a nationalist. I'll have to leave it at that. Let his records speak for him.

I have already given you facts of his records which logically prove that he was actually insincere and full of deception. He is assumed to be a nationalist because the typical Nigerian's quality of education is half-baked so he assumes centralism is synonymous with nationalism. Haven't you heard Nigerians ignorantly describing PDP and APC as the only truly national parties as a result of their perception that geographical spread of a party's membership confers nationalistic outlook on it?
Zik was a centralist cum neocolonialist and never a nationalist because nationalism, as defined in political philosophy, is a commitment to the freedom of one's country and its citizens from both external influence and from internal recolonization. Regarding the aspect of nationalism defined by resistance to external colonization the likes of Mandela of South Africa stand out in the whole world while Abraham Lincoln of USA perfectly exemplifies nationalism as regards resistance to internal colonization of a country's citizens by their own fellow citizens. Azikiwe fell short of these two standards for the following reasons:
1. he repeatedly publicly declared that he wouldn't mind paying the supreme price to see that Nigeria (a colonialists' enterprise) remained in existence.

2. he advocated unitary system which empowers the tribe that clinches power at the center to lord it over and oppress the others with state power apparatus as the Northerners have been doing since 1966 when they captured power sequel to Ironsi's introduction of unitary system.
On the contrary Herbert Macaulay is correctly described as Nigeria's first nationalist despite his party NNDP was confined to Lagos alone in terms of geographical spread. What made him a genuine nationalist was his pioneership of the anti-colonialism struggle and a genuine commitment to seeing a Nigeria founded on justice, equity, citizenship dignity and federalism. So I hope you now get the difference now between nationalism and centralism.

Fejoku:
I repeat that you can't pin the current bad situation on Igbos because they've been long out of any position to drive Nigeria in the direction they could. You can blame a passenger boxed to a corner for over 5hours for an accident that happened later. This is my point.

Unfortunately your analogy here doesn't cut it. Igbos were no longer passengers but took the position of driver ( in the person of Aguiyi Ironsi) after killing the initial driver (Balewa) on the excuse that he was driving recklessly. Then they proceeded to unilaterally destroy the perfectly working car engine (the federal constitution) and replace it with the engine of a grinding machine (Unitary constitution) and then drove the car to a serious accident which left the car in a situation beyond salvage.

Fejoku:
Money was never a problem for those that ruled the country. Your example of a security guard killing the quarrelling parents of a home does it fit into the discourse. It's not a good analogy. We've seen a good number of Igbos over the years impacting heavily on the growth of Nigeria in the smaller capacities they controlled. Soludo, Akunyili, Festus Odimegwu, Okonjo-Iweala etc. That tells you the capacity of Igbos to improve things in giving the chance to steer the wheel

Your attempt to ascribe the performances of the Akunyilis, Festus Odimegwus, Soludos, etc to their Igboness rather than their intellect as individuals is pooh-poohed by the fact that an Igbo man called Aguiyi Ironsi was the second person to steer the wheel of the country and his ineptitude resulted in a constitutional criss which culminated in a war that consumed over 3 million innocent lives and plunged the country into a succession of military dictatorships which put the country on the reverse gear for 33 years.

Fejoku:
but alas that will never be allowed yet you still want to pin the failure of Nigeria on them. That will never float before any reasonable panel. Whatever the wrong that was done can be greatly improved upon in 50 yrs time yet Nigeria currently is worse than it has ever been. Leave this particular argument, you can't win it.

What you seem not to understand is the fact that Nigeria's problem is structural and doesn't really have to do with the tribe of the person in power. Nigeria is like a car with an engine so faulty that even if you put a professor of driving on the steering he will drive as an amateur. Haven't you ever observed that the only era about which opinions are unanimous among Nigerians that there was good governance remains the first republic which was when the right structure was in place courtesy of the truly federal Independence Constitution?
The present persistent calls for restructuring is premised on the realization that with this Unitary system in place even an angel from heaven will misgovern. Then how much more the mortal Igbo men and women you listed above?

Fejoku:
As for coup d'etats, they are interventions that could swing either way. It worked in Ghana and might have worked in Nigeria if the narrative wasn't changed.

your use of the word might brings the whole argument into the realm of conjecture which is a two way thing. But unfortunately you picked the option that favours your sentiment. If not, what makes you believe that Ghana couldn't have ended up better than it is now if that coup of theirs never happened? Mind you that nation building is not premised on what soldiers think is right about the polity but what the people themselves choose through the ballot regardless of whether their choice is right or wrong. If the civil populace later find out that they made the wrong choice of leadership then the ballot is there for them to correct it themselves and not by military intervention at all. The Ghana you cited to substantiate your pro- military intervention stance can never ever become as prosperous as the likes of USA, UK, Germany, SA where military has never intervened
That is democracy for you.

Fejoku:
Your earlier distrust of Azikiwe was held by many and such was used ti change the narrative that put the blamed on the entire Igbos including those who didn't even know anything about the happenings in Nigeria as at that time. The same distrust that remains till date. Have you ever asked yourself how Nigeria might have been if that coup was successful?

I have given you the hard facts why Azikiwe carries the blame remotely for the coup. It was his centripetal ideology that inspired me January 15 boys into sponsoring a coup aimed at strengthening the center.

Fejoku:
Assuming Nzeogwu succeeded and Awolowo was made the president and he went on to bring development to Nigeria at large. After him, another good leader emerged to continue from where he stopped and today Nigeria becomes a second world country. Will the coup still be seen as a bad thing or be called an Igbo coup or should it be limited to the coupists themselves. Should the Igbos take the glory of whatever became of Nigeria after the coup?

Again, your premise here is highly flawed. Awolowo was a dyed-in-the-wool federalist hence wouldn't have ever accepted to head a unitary government which was the type favored by the coupists according to their own confessions. Even if Awolowo had discarded his pro-federalism principles and accepted to head a unitary government put in place by the January 15 boys, he was bound to fail on the reason that he would have been working with a military-imposed unitary constitution which we all know makes very bad leaders out of even angels. Didn't Awolowo later head mere finance ministry under a Gowon's unitary military government for which you Igbos adjudge him a failure till today over the alleged £20 and starvation policies? That tells you that Awolowo being imposed on the country by the coupists wasn't a guarantee of a march to the second world status attainment. What would have taken Nigeria forward was simply a retention of the sovereign Independence Constitution regardless of who governed at the center.

Fejoku:
You see how latent perceptions can cloud a person's judgement. This is how intelligent people reason out things. Interventions are things that can swing in any direction and can be corrected if the people are wise enough to demand for correction.

On the contrary intelligent people reason by looking at both sides of the prognosis rather than just focusing on the part which appears to reinforce their sentiments.
And that is what I did above as regards the higher probability that an Awolowo-headed illegitimate unitary government would have taken Nigeria nowhere.

Fejoku:
In case you don't know, Nigeria is back to 1966. Southerners have little say in the control of the country and the fulani controlled north still want to continue with their conquest. The Tivs are still being slaughtered by the Nigerian army and the premier of the north is still looking cannon fodders and willing tools to dip the Koran in the Atlantic ocean. Will you favour a military intervention currently or do you prefer the rigging that will most likely take place in 2023?All our political analysis of the players of those days are needed currently. Will you join the category of a willing tool because you distrust the Igbos or will you go beyond your 'fears' and give the Igbos your support and see what country they can help to build in the next 30yrs? The choice is yours.

Unfortunately, this kind of narrative in rationalizing the January 15 coup actually turns logic on its head in the eyes of a genuinely intelligent mind because it leaves more questions than answers. You know why?
If the domination of the polity by Hausafulanis and their alleged conquest agenda aimed at dipping the Quran into the Atlantic Ocean was what the Nzeogws and Ifeajunas were really out to curb, then common sense dictated that the Azikiwe whose choice of political partnership gave power to the North over the South should be the first target of the coupists before killing any other person. Without Azikiwe's compromise by which he freely handed over power to the North for an election won clearly by the South, we wouldn't have been faced with the North's conquest agenda domination agenda thereafter. But a coup supposedly aimed at stemming the tide of the consequence of Azikiwe's sabotage of the South's interest left Azikiwe walking free while innocent persons were felled by bullets. Is that your own kind of sense of judgement?
Let us take for instance that some Yoruba officers of the Nigerian Army, irked by the current alleged fulanization and islamization agenda of the Buhari regime, carry out a coup by which they kill Buhari, Ngige, Amaechi, Joe Igbokwe, Pantami, and lots of other Igbo figures in the government but leave totally unharmed Osinbajo and the very Tinubu whom most Igbos believe helped Buhari to power twice, will you as an Igbo man ever be convinced that the coup was aimed at curbing the North's islamization and conquest agenda? Be honest.

Fejoku:
Will respond to this truckload of rubbish you wrote here on this post by editing it later.
Edited to include my main response.

First of all, can you kindly quote any book or journal where it was written that Ojukwu marched his soldiers to Lagos? Can you tell us the exact date such happened and who led soldiers? All the lies you internalize is destroying you and I hope you don't recover from it.
Any reasonable person can see the devil in you through your claim of Awolowo giving Igbos their allocation 'to rebuild their cities'. May God punish you for making that statement. Yakubu Gowon at the end of the war announced the 3R acronym which signifies Reconciliation, Rehabilitation and Reconstruction. I bet he should be worshipped by Igbos for such 'generosity'. Did any sizable reconstruction happen? Was their any rehabilitation? The best was a cosmetic reconciliation as the present has proven that their was no sincere reconciliation. Go and study the after math of the USA civil war and learn what true reconciliation means. This is why the US is great today. Heck, the US even after using nuclear bombs on Japan still organised a Marshall plan for the rebuilding of Japan after the war ended. They're not the same country or even continent yet they understood the gains of true reconciliation. Western Germany was rebuilt by the allied forces for a reason which animals like you will never understand. Don't ever mention that allocation again as though the money came from his personal pocket.
For the 20 pounds policy where only Igbos who could prove to posses accounts were given only 20pounds. Do owners of solid properties look like those who would have only 20 pounds in their accounts? It's not justifiable but the hate in you will not allow you see it. You still foolishly wrote that the money came from 'Awolowo/FG government'. What does that mean? Did Awo have any government? He was the finance minister and at best could be the brain behind the idea but you made it appear as though the money was his. There were alternatives if sincerity was used. Weren't there bank records in other areas where the war wasn't fought? There were alternatives.
Here again we can see this madman talking about the confiscation of legally owned properties of fellow citizens. You have no single shame. How do you really hope to confiscate a people's property, deal terribly wrong to them and still expect them to swallow all these and remain happy citizens? I wonder what's in that your head. You could only do those to a people who you don't expect to share the same country with.
The NCNC story is another interesting that those who knew Azikiwe very well will see that he was a man who thought Nigeria and even Africa can be modelled after the USA. He was detribalized and only felt any wrong to contest for a post which he was rightly qualified. Like you said, he was the deputy leader of NCNC and he succeeded Macaulay to be come the leader. This was democracy at play where Nigeria was meant to be truly one devoid of tribalism. How you term it 'lording over the Yorubas' is what I don't understand. I must concede here that All was never a realist. He believed so much in the ideals of the US that he thought such could be replicated here in Africa starting from Nigeria Posterity has proved he was totally wrong. As you may, Igbos don't like him because their was no clearcut decisions he took for the good of Igbos like his contemporary did for their ethnic groups.
The coup contained other ethnicities including Yorubas and Azikiwe was never fingered in it. A fellow Yoruba by the name Ademoyega wrote a book to that effect. The title of the book is Why We Struck. There he explained in details all those that participated and he was among the planners and execution of the coup. How you arrived at 98% Igbo is still lost to me. It's clear you're deficient in statistics so I'll forgive you if you can give the correct statistics of the ethnic participation of the next coups that succeeded this first one. You can still hold on to the false narrative you're comfortable with any way.
In conclusion, anyone can see that I've been able to keep my argument strictly with you and not against your assumed ethnic group, Yoruba. This is because time is crucial in everything we do. I could bring up the many instances of Yoruba attacks against Igbos which can be verified on the internet but I chose not to go that route because that would be counterproductive to the spirit of the times. Mistakes are permitted in human relations and understanding is crucial if we expect a better relations in the future. But as for you, I hope you choke on your hate on the generality of my people. I wish that I can meet you in person let's have a 'last man standing' match. I'll show you no mercy.

I disagree with you completely on the two bolded lines.
First of all Azikiwe was the farthest from detribalization among all his political contemporaries back then. He only successfully pretended about it with his tongue-in-cheek one-Nigeria sloganeering unlike the others who were sincere and had no use for political correctness. You yourself have just ascertained here that Azikiwe was not realistic. We know that being unrealistic is a function of deceptive mindset and a desire to manipulate others. How come Azikiwe was detribalised and yet was a member of a tribal association called Igbos State Union (ISU) and even accepted to be its president?

Your argument that Azikiwe desired a replication of the US socio-economic template in Nigeria is story for the birds because unlike the US where they were practising true federalism, Azikiwe was advocating unitary system disguised as call for national unity. Secondly, Azikiwe never heard anyone chant One-America in all his years of schooling there, but he however returned home to chant one-Nigeria which was nothing but a euphemism for his preferred unitary system.
Azikiwe read Anthropology from Lincoln University USA and, going by the course's content, should have known that the overcentralized structure he was preaching in the name of nationalism would never work in a multi-ethnic Nigeria any more than it would have ever worked in the USA which he purportedly wanted Nigeria tailored after.
The glaring dissociation between Azikiwe's centripetal ideas of nation building and the USA's centrifugal arrangement poses a credibility question on this claim of yours that Azikiwe was sincerely visioning a Nigeria patterned after the USA.

Fejoku:
I want to believe you're a sincere person and if that's the case I'll excuse your wrong subconscious assertion. In the history of Nigeria, there have been at least six coups. Doesn't it sound strange how only one of those coups was ascribed to a particular tribe while the rest weren't? What yardstick was used in arriving at that evil conclusion? The collaborators of that first coup included people from different tribes not just the Igbos but the narrative came bearing only Igbo as the culprits. When Nzeogwu went to Ahmadu Bello's house, did he go alone? Was it only Igbo soldiers he took with him? The wrong narrative have been spread to achieve an and they succeeded as they finally control Nigeria today and have turned around to slaughter everyone.
Mind you Nigeria isn't the only country to have witnessed a coup in West Africa. Other coups had their share too and went beyond it but Nigeria never recovered because there's no sincerity of purpose.
Ok, let's say the first coup truncated the polity and derailed the wheel of synergy and growth of Nigeria. What then stopped the others who took the mantle from putting Nigeria back on track? Was is scarcity of funds or did Igbos still block them from building up Nigeria?
It is on record that corruption and bad politics was what led to that first coup and people jubilated on the streets when the news was announced. It's just like the #endsars protest which started well until some persons turned around to change the narrative.
My point is that the failure of the government of Nigeria can never be attached to the Igbos. Does It mean that Igbos were perfect in their dealings all through? My answer will be 'No, there weren't as they made their own mistakes but without them having the opportunity to redeem themselves, it will be wrong to attribute the failure of Nigeria as a country to them. Igbos have arguably brought more accolades to Nigeria than any other part.

If the first coup hadn't happened, all the other coups wouldn't have happened. Recall that those who ploted and executed the second coup didn't pretend about their mission as they were sincere enough to term it a revenge coup rather than claim they did it to stamp out misgovernance or corruption or any other deceptive revolutionary rhetorics which coupists are known with.
In essence the first coup brought into our national lives the culture of military disregard for the sovereignty of the civilian populace and that became the foundation of all the ills you have enumerated above. The belief by nearly everyone today that a constitutionally restructured Nigeria remains the panacea to all our ills is enough evidence to my take above.

Please note that the coup is termed an Igbo coup not because of the ethnic composition of the participants. After all to plot a coup requires a network of confidants and very close friends who are most likely to naturally come from one's tribe in a very young republic yet to experience genuine national integration. Rather it is termed an Igbo coup because of the ethnic pattern of the casualty which was 100% determined by the coupists. If not, how come no single Igbo politician was killed despite they had the Senate president, Governor General, most of the portfolio ministers and lots of other position holders in that allegedly corrupt hence coup-deserving government? We're all those Igbo portfolio holders saints?

On your question about why Nigeria could not be put on track again after that first coup; there were several attempts made at some points to do so by way of trying to restore in part or whole the Independence Constitution, but Igbos either refused to cooperate or play the spoiler role. Some instances are:
1. Ojukwu's insistence on Confederacy at Aburi as against the federalism on which Nigeria was founded at independence to everyone's mutual agreement freely.
2. Professor Nwabueze's use of his committee to further transfer virtually all items from the residual and concurrent lists to the exclusive list during the 1978 constitutional conference that birthed the 1979 constitution.

That coups were common in other African countries wasn't a justification for Nigeria to tow that path. Nigeria should have rather set a better example by not only sticking to democracy at home but sending troops to dethrone military governments all over Africa and thereby restoring democracy wherever it was tampered with. Coups don't progress any nation. Military rule is dictatorship and totalitarian in nature and we all know that dictatorship always brings retrogression to any nation where it is practised. When our founding fathers were struggling for independence, was a military-governed Nigeria their dream about Nigeria's path to greatness? Nigeria was primed from the beginning to be the giant of Africa and a world or at least regional power hence a coup was never the way to go regardless of how badly the politicians were allegedly managing the affairs. Of all the most prosperous and most powerful countries in the world today in terms of economy and military might, none ever had military intervention no matter how their politicians misgoverned at any stage of their democratic journey. Let South Africa the most prosperous African country today experience a military coup and watch it become a failed state like Nigeria and others in no time.

If countries like USA, UK, China, etc had ever had their democratic experience punctuated by military intervention, I can bet you that they wouldn't have been world powers today. Military intervention in governance is akin to a situation whereby a security man employed by a family or household to provide security for them one day hears the father and mother of that family having some misunderstanding which is normal, and then he accuses them of mismanaging the family's affairs, and so he shoots them dead with the gun they provided him with, then imposes himself on the children as their new parent. Do you think that such children will ever grow up to be the kind of responsible children their dead original parents were nurturing them to become? That exactly is the situation wrought on us Nigerians by the Igbo coupists.

survivor10:
A country of more than 200 tribes. And Igbo, just one out of the hundreds, topics all the time.

This is obsession. You have run down the country, still Igbo man is the problem.

The obsession is driven by phobia justified by the past and present actions of Igbos. Nearly every other tribe favoured a decentralized structure in the beginning while only the Igbo tribe strangely preferred an overcentralized system even though it was obvious that overcentralization would lead the country to doom as we now have in our hands. Secondly, the average Igbo man till today keeps on blaming all other tribes for the failure of Nigeria when in actual fact Igbos sowed the seeds and prepared the stage for it. The Igbo were first to demonstrate raw and baseless hatred for every other tribe by carrying out a coup through which they murdered the leaders of all other regions but allowed theirs escape despite them being part of the allegedly corrupt government which the coup was purportedly meant to dislodge. Who does that in a normal society and expects thank you cards?
Read Nairaland threads and sincerely tell yourself the truth as per which tribe has the penchant of unprovoked use of abusive language, name-calling and unfounded hate for every other tribe. So why would such a tribe expect love in return?

survivor10:
A country of more than 200 tribes. And Igbo, just one out of the hundreds, topics all the time.

This is obsession. You have run down the country, still Igbo man is the problem.

The obsession is driven by phobia justified by the past and present actions of Igbos. Nearly every other tribe favoured a decentralized structure in the beginning while only the Igbo tribe strangely preferred an overcentealized system even though it was obvious that overcentralization would lead the country to doom. Secondly, the average Igbo man till today keeps on blaming all other tribes for the failure of Nigeria when in actual fact Igbos sowed the seeds and prepared the stage for it. Read Nairaland threads and sincerely tell yourself the truth as per which tribe has the penchant of abusive language, name-calling and unfounded hate for every other tribe. So why would such a tribe expect love in return?

survivor10:
A country of more than 200 tribes. And Igbo, just one out of the hundreds, topics all the time.

This is obsession. You have run down the country, still Igbo man is the problem.

The obsession is driven by phobia justified by the past and present actions of Igbos. Nearly every other tribe favoured a decentralized structure in the beginning while only the Igbo tribe strangely preferred an overcentealized system even though it was obvious that overcentralization would lead the country to doom. Secondly, the average Igbo man till today keeps on blaming all other tribes for the failure of Nigeria when in actual fact Igbos sowed the seeds and prepared the stage for it. Read Nairaland threads and sincerely tell yourself the truth as per which tribe has the penchant of abusive language and unfounded hate for every other tribe. So why would such a tribe expect love in return?

Fejoku:
Always remember that what goes around comes around. When you mock a people during their time of travails don't expect empathy from them when you suffer similar thing.
Awolowo despite handing the allocation back to the Igbos cannot be viewed in good light by Igbos because of the incalculable damage he did to us through his 'betrayal'. Prior to the war, hardly did any Igbo speak wrong of him. Even the coup plotters openly said it was him they wanted to take over the reigns of government because of the trust they had in his capability. He was treated well while he was incarceration in the East by the same Igbo but all that changed after he took sides with the same people that threw him into jail to use hunger as a weapon against the same people that had so much faith in him. The millions that died never mattered to you because you lack compassion. Your heart is cold towards anything Igbo. How can one starve a section of the country they still expect to be a part of them? I'm used the cliche 'All Is Fair In War'. Only a fool uses such cliche to explain a war aimed at uniting a people. You're so foolish to think Igbos should be grateful for the allocation. Was it Awo's personal money? What about the 20 pounds policy? Your brain is so wired to hate Igbos and see them as those that should have no say or opinion on an issue but that's your business. The same people have today bounced back by the grace and mercy of God. If you were God, Igbos would have since gone extinct. That means their won't have been Nwankwo Kanu, JJ Okocha, P Square, Mary Onyali and the list is endless. A very gifted people should be allowed to prosper to help redeem the black race but here in Nigeria, the opposite is the case. Hate has beclouded their senses to the extent that they prefer to see Igbos on their knees begging. Since they kept Igbos out of the federal government, they ended up destroying the country. See the mess Nigeria has become. It shall on record that no Igbo man ruled Nigeria as she headed down to failure. At least, you can't attach Igbo to that record.
I understand how those Igbos who mocked the Yorubas on the Benin refugee camp situation. Yorubas have been in the fore front of laughing at the state sponsored massacre of Igbos for over a decade. From the killings of MASSOB members to that of IPOB. It's only natural for Igbos to return it when they their people fleeing to another country when their homes were attacked. Is their anything wrong with it? It is called 'Tit For Tat'. While I understand the natural instinct at play, I still discouraged those who persisted in such act by telling them it's enough. We all down South shouldn't be foolish not to see the people that gain from our collective internal squabbles. The message is simply that whatever you do to others shall be done to you.
I penned down this long response for reasonable people who might have followed our exchange. As for you, may you choke on your hate. I don't expect love from you and don't you expect any from me.

I am neither Yoruba nor Igbo. However, the bolded in your response above is far from the truth as it was the illegal taking over of the reigns of power that actually derailed the country from its original path of equity, justice and fairness onto this path of retrogression and ultimate failure. That Igbo man's rule saw a subversion of a people's genuine constitution and its unilateral replacement with a mutilated one which led to the Nigeria tragedy and all that his own Igbo kinsmen came to suffer in Nigeria. Igbos can't be dissociated from the failure of Nigeria at all.

gidgiddy:
A lot of Igbos saw Wike as one of their own. It was a huge shock for many to see the man turn against Igbos, refer to them as foreigners in Rivers, even though Igbos are indigenous to Rivers, and needlessly turn Obigbo into a killing field over ENDSARS violence, just because it is an Igbo town.

Wike kept saying that the SE wants to annex Rivers state and that Rivers state belongs to the Niger Delta. He shouted to the high heavens that he is not Igbo. Well, someday he will leave office and we shall see if the Ijaws, Ogonis, Ibibios and the rest he is doing "Niger Delta" with will regard him as one of their own.

But IPOBians' love and deification of Wike back then was as well built around the fact that Wike was rabidly pro Jonathan who happened to be of the same Ijaw tribe which IPOBians were doing "We and Niger Deltans are one and the same" with.
So how are IPOBians less guilty than Wike of the alleged Ijaw, Ogoni, Ibibio, etc romance in pursuit of joint identity?

It is really intriguing seeing IPOBians make a complete 180 degrees as regards their disposition towards Wike considering how they used to hail him as Lion of Niger Delta amidst other numerous appellations of praise in the early days of the feud between him and Amaechi. Wike was nearly like a deity to them back then. But more shocking is the observation that some of them have even become pro-Amaechi whom they initially labelled a slave of the Caliphate and loathed just for exercising his right to freedom of association.
Indeed it takes great wisdom not to invest one's emotions in a Nigerian politician.

elisho:
the force where are they coming from are they not former APC AND PDP members mad people

This is the most sensible comment on this thread.

Ojiofor:
They are same Igbo but it's purely poltics of geopolitical zone as south east remain the only zone in the south that are yet to produce president.

If it's purely geopolitical zone politics then there might be nothing wrong for an Igala person indegenous to Anambra state to fly the ticket on behalf of the SE.

Faber:
Nawa o
I thought there are only Igbos in South East.

If you are here and you have Igbo roots and still claiming Niger Delta. Your shame dey shame me o. Even the North know say all of una na Igbo. At the appointed time they will remind you that you are Igbo.
The North said that Igbo killed the premier of the North Ahamadu Bello. The man that killed him is Kaduna Nzeogwu from Okpanam in Asaba. Is Asaba not among the so called South South and Niger Delta?


Ask Odili, Amaechi etc, they will tell you better.

Ifeajuna who killed Balewa and hatched the whole coup plot was a native of Onitsha in the present SE.

KingOKON:
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I concur.
Every patriotic Nigerian should seek to pacify the Ibos just like they did Yoruba in 1999
Only selfish people like Tinubu will seek vain glory instead of a harmonious nation

Obasanjo was the candidate of choice of the North in 1999 and the Yorubas rejected him flat in that election. So how exactly was his candidacy meant to pacify Yorubas? Anyway the same North is flirting with the idea of the candidacy of Rochas Okorocha and OUK whom Igbos detest. I guess if either of them ends up being president in 2023 Igbos will be pacified?

Penguin2:
I made my point with insulting you a single time.

But from your letter to your final full stop, you riddled your write up with insult atop insult.

You must have assumed that your tagging me a zombie trying to defend Buhari was a compliment, right?
He who comes to equity must do so with clean hands. In my first response I only made my point without any emotional attachment to the wailer vs zombie dichotomy. neither did I mention Buhari. I didn't call you a wailer but I just made my case with facts alone. But for the fact that to your likes it takes only being a Buhari supporter to point out Jonathan's factual failures or poor sense of judgement as regards his attitude towards interests of the SS which is my home region and which you aren't a native of, you quickly tagged me a Zombie and that was what prompted my reaction in like manner. Scroll back up and peruse your penultimate response to see for yourself where you termed me a zombie. Or are you suggesting that value system and basic rules of civility have become so eroded in Nigeria that unprovoked name calling has become accepted as a norm? I am a Garbage-in-Garbage-out person. If you engage me with decent language and facts, so you will get from me. But if you come to me with name-calling and insults, be prepared for same.

Penguin2:
Now about the contract to ex militants, I’m sure you are one of those defending this government for embarking on deradicalization agenda for Boko Haram fighters. Where they are dressed in new robe, flown in govt jet and given cheques and pushed back to the communities they killed its people.

I’m sure you are one of those who would have defended this govt in their muted idea to grant amnesty to bandits.

But since it’s Niger Delta militants, GEJ was wrong.

Still the use of assumptions and projections rather than verifiable fact.
Was the pipeline protection contract a way of deradicalization of militants? If so, how come Gani Adams has remained underadicalized away from OPC Militancy till today despite the N9bn? How come Niger Delta Avengers just recently threatened to return to the Creeks? The links I have provided state clearly that Jonathan offered those pipeline protection contracts in pursuit of his reelection bid and had nothing to do with deradicalization of anybody. So you lie again. Or didn't you open them?
I have never supported amnesty to any militia. The fact that you believe in amnesty at all but only questioning the perceived discrimination in its application shows you are not really different from the Federal Government you accuse of doing so.
Then again and as usual your crediting amnesty pioneership to Jonathan proves once more that you choose what to believe as against the actual fact. Yaradua started this whole amnesty thing and not Jonathan to whom you now want to snuggle the credit if at all it is credit worthy in the first instance. Secondly amnesty offer is total rubbish and anyone who supports it as a solution to the Niger Delta Militancy is actually uneducated and passed through school without school passing through him. Why do I say so?
Answer: Amnesty in its meaning is a state pardon to someone guilty of treason against the state. Now, we all know that Niger Delta struggle was a legitimate and moral struggle in principle as it was all about a people fighting against economic oppression over their God-given resources against a Federal Government which had plundered and impoverished them for decades. Given that scenario it is obvious to any sensible person that the Federal Government is the real criminal deserving forgiveness from the Niger Deltans and not the other way round. Therefore amnesty offer was a case of an actual criminal asking his victim to repent so that he can grant the victim some perdon and the victims too, on the advice of their elites like Edwin Clarke, Jonathan with all his education, urged the freedom fighters to accept that they were criminals which they foolishly and myopically did. Then the criminal Federal Government dipped her hands into the booty stolen from the victims, took out a stipend from it and offered it as forgiveness package to the victims for which people like you started clapping for the criminal Federal Government for being humane enough to share with the victims their own stolen wealth.
A genuine approach to addressing the Niger Delta Militancy permanently and comprehensively is to look into the original demands of Ken Saro Wiwa and Isaac Adaka Boro who pioneered the struggle. These two figures demanded a return to 75% resource control that obtained in the just, fair and equitable Independence Constitution which was criminally abolished by your kinsmen Aguiyi Ironsi and Ojukwu in pursuit of their people's selfish interest and domination agenda.
Saro Wiwa and Isaac Adaka Boro never asked for payment of salaries to Niger Delta youths for doing nothing. All they wanted was 75% resource control which would have stimulated productivity in the region hence generate jobs and a clean environment for those youths to be meaningfully engaged and contribute positively to the national economy.
If the Jonathan-led federal government had genuinely committed itself to restructuring thus a return to the 75% resource control, there wouldn't have been enough idle funds at the center for any subsequent government to even flirt with the idea of granting amnesty to Boko Haram, Fulani Herdsmen, bandits, etc.
With the Niger Deltans accepting that they were criminals and signing necessary documents to that effect to enable them receive the amnesty based on the advice of Jonathan, do you think there is any local or international court they will ever again sue the federal government to for environmental degradation/economic oppression and win?
But your likes will never look at issues holistically, rather you prefer the ever narrow perspective of the Jonathan era versus Buhari era comparison which only achieves political correctness that your likes are notorious for.

Penguin2:
Zombies cannot attack Buhari’s nepotism because their paymaster is banking on Buhari support to the presidency.

But you can’t say the same about GEJ.

You and I know how the Lagos-Ibadan expressway press was unleashed against Jonathan. Even Channels Television that we all thought was neutral could no longer maintain neutrality. They all turned opposition mouthpiece.

GEJ was criticized to his boxers.

Now how are you sure he wouldn’t have been criticized for that too?

Remember they criticized GEJ for awarding contracts of securing pipelines to Government Tompolo and others. Their argument was why wasn’t aboki and Yoruba people also considered in the contract. But the question is why would GEJ award the contract of securing pipelines to people who not familiar with the terrain of the pipelines?

Abeg I no get strength to remember how the press was used against GEJ

It is really pathetic that Ipigs like you can't see anything except through the we versus them lenses. If anything, you are the zombie here and in fact a GEJ zombie.

We are talking about the issue of criticizing people for abandoning their own home territory infrastructure wise and this GEJ zombie is talking about Lagos-Ibadan Expressway. Was GEJ from Lagos, Ogun or Oyo State which the road cuts through? Moreover, the criticism he faced on Lagos-Ibadan Expressway was as a result of him starting it and then later practically abandoning it . Why start it at all when Federal Roads passing through his own home Region were in far worse states? Isn't that still his priority misplacement tendency that my whole argument is all about? Was Lagos-Ibadan Expressway supposed to be his priority in the first instance? If the Obasanjo who was a native of the area didn't ever touch that road and wasn't criticized by his people, then why did GEJ think he had any business with it? If he hadn't started Lagos-Ibadan Expressway at all but given priority to his own home region's federal road would Channels TV and the rest have criticized him for partial abandonment or fraudulent mobilization of contractors to it? That is what you get when your charity doesn't begin from home. Is anyone now calling for Fashola's head for allocating so much of his ministry's budget to the Lagos-Ibadan Expressway as a native of the host region? Of course not, because by that he started his charity from home. But what business of priority did GEJ have with it to warrant him giving it priority attention? He wanted to be Mr. one-Nigeria and a 'detribalized patriot', right? He was too naive and had no use for the lessons which Nigeria's political history has to offer. .
I wonder what you hope to gain by shamelessly lying in a public forum that Jonathan was criticized over pipeline protection contracts on the premise that Abokis and Yorubas were not considered. Wasn't the biggest chunk of the pipeline protection contract worth N9bn given to a Yoruba man called Gani Adams and factional head of OPC by GEJ? See it below:
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/179053-while-tinubu-starved-us-jonathan-gave-us-multibillion-naira-pipeline-contracts-gani-adams.html

See another evidence below:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thenationonlineng.net/outrage-over-pipeline-contracts-to-tompolo-gani-adams-others/amp/

I guess Gani Adams was an Ijaw man like Tompolo or Asari Dokubo or that there are Oil pipelines criss-crossing his home state of Osun?

From the contents of the two sources I have shown you, it is clear that the criticism levelled against GEJ over pipeline protection contracts wasn't about the geographical spread or federal character of the beneficiaries list but about the propriety of giving the job of the lawful state security apparatii (police, army, airforce, DSS, Navy, Civil Defense) to militia groups which are all illegal groups terrorizing the nation. But you chose to lie just to give validation to your victim card playing on behalf of GEJ.
Short memory is one big disease of GEJ zombies. So was Gani Adams familiar with the oil pipelines terrain? Was he a native of the terrain? I guess you can now direct to Jonathan your own question as per whether pipeline protection contracts should be given to people not familiar with the terrain.
Can't you see you are a great liar now?
Some of you GEJ zombies seem to have been too devastated by the 2015 agony of defeat that you find it difficult to comprehend simple points.

Penguin2:
Their son, GEJ, was president for six years. So it’s totally understandable.

Forget what zombies will be here foaming in the mouth that GEJ didn’t even build the road leading to Otuoke. But had he done it, same zombies will tell the world how Lagos-Ibadan road was abandoned while GEJ was using federal money to construct road into his village.

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The bolded is a very misleading narrative and an attempt to rationalize GEJ's misplacement of priorities which cost him his second term. Nobody would have ever accused him of nepotism if he had surfaced all roads in his village or his LGA in Bayelsa. Who have you ever seen or heard calling Buhari out for establishing two federal universities in his Daura hometown and renovating countless federal roads in Katsina despite the state contributes nearly nothing to the national purse from which he funded these projects? If none, then how much less would it have been if Jonathan had surfaced all Bayelsa federal roads considering the fact that Bayelsa State generates a large percentage of federal revenue?

Gamer999:
Whenever I hear warri, Benin or edo, what comes to mind is juju, ruggedity, yahoo and cultism

God bless Sony interactive entertainment ;God bless the United States ;God bless Nigeria ;God bless Kogi state; God bless the good people of Okene.

See who is talking. Okene people are unrivaled worldwide in charms, diabolism and witchcraft practices. They have from time immemorial always and consistently been the witchcraft/diabolism gold medalists.

OVB123:
You are truly reading my mind. My only fear is that in Edo state now, there is already a perception that whenever a Bini man (Edo south) takes over the reigned of leadership in Edo state, the state always moved backward and I am beginning to think that way too.
The early Gov. Obaseki sit up, the better for him because right now most of the roads he is constructing are substandard and may not likely stand the test of time. The Edo Best his bragging about is a total failure because most of the schools in Edo don't have enough teachers.
Night life in Benin City is gone because no street lights to make the capital visible at night.
The water fountain built by Oshiomhole has been destroyed by his administration.
Sometimes, I wish if the Constitution will allow Oshiomhole to come back to office again and I personally vote for Him.
I just pray that God helps us oooo because this is not what we bargained for.

Per the bolded, If you can recall, that line was actually used to campaign against General Charles Airhiavbare in 2012 Edo guber election and those who tried to use it cited the tenures of Oyegun and Lucky Igbinedion to substantiate it. However some of us quickly countered that narrative by citing Ogbemudia's administration. But with the way things are going in the hands of the current incumbent, those in that school of thought might have gotten a third example for their claim while those of opposing view still have only Ogbemudia as counter example.
Some of the roads he constructed in my own LGA already have so many failed portions as against Oshiomhole's own that have remained totally intact even though they are almost 4 years older and carry heavier traffic.
As per the Edo Best thing: one would have expected that sequel to Oshiomhole's comprehensive renovation of nearly all the public primary and secondary schools across the state, Obaseki should have complemented those efforts by focusing on employing teachers into these schools in the last four years but till today most of the schools are being run by PTAs and Old boys and Old girls Associations in terms of teachers recruitment and payment of their salaries. This leaves one wondering what the whole essence of Edo Best actually is. Moreover he has been sponsoring vacancy adverts claiming that he is trying to bring in professional handlers and high quality teachers nto the education sector of the state as if such will not demand heavier financial burden than the normal teachers recruitment he has refused to do for more than four years now.
The Benin City nightlife ceasure issue is another failure which has defined his administration since inception.
Just yesterday he began to talk about fashioning out a 30 year development plan for the state. Apart from the mere rhetorics value of this, fashioning out a development plan without any cabinet to provide inputs is at best comical.
In all if Obaseki really ends up not being what was bargained for, the blame will be on Oshiomhole who imposed him on the party in 2016 against all wise counsels from well-meaning Edo State stakeholders

OVB123:
My brother, I am just tired of him. If as at the time he took over from oshiomhole 4 and half years ago, the state IGR was around 25 to 26 billion naira, then by now after almost 5 years in office, it should be around 36 or 37 billion naira.
I am so shocked because it was because of this reason that he droved the likes of Nomoreless and Kabaka away. So for me, the increased in IGR, ought to reflect in the year on year rating by NBS.
The same thing we are also experience interms of infrastructures in the state.
My question now is: "what is he doing with all the money, he is receiving as allocation?

You just hit the nail very hard on the head with the bolded. There is no sense in recording lesser and lesser IGR year in year out after claiming to have purportedly blocked the godfathers, tigers and lions from access to the state's revenue. Even his cabinet members, he starves them of decent wages all in the name of cutting governance cost and curbing waste yet all these don't translate to any meaningful increase in the yearly budget. In infrastructure his projects are tokenism in nature.It is really difficult to understand how the man spends revenues and what exactly he spends it on. In his 2017 budget he set aside N4bn for the executive arm of the state government out of the N150 bn total but his political appointees kept on complaining of being paid indecent and ridiculous wages. Right now he has been running a government without a cabinet for the past six months hence not spending anything on salaries of cabinet. The whole thing about Edo State revenue and visible use of it is has been shrouded in mystery under his tenure.

OVB123:
I'm highly disappointed with the performance of Edo state.
Obaseki needs to sit up and provide the dividends of democracy to the people. The 2020 report of igr only shows that Obaseki only achievement is fighting God father's that brought Him to power.

I thought I alone noticed it. It is so embarrassing to see that Edo has been consistently slipping on the IGR table since Obaseki took over. Before he came on board Edo was at position six with figures that were even threatening to displace the states on positions 4 and 5. But today it has fallen so low to position 11 with states like Anambra and Ogun now trumping it comfortably while other states currently below it are warming up to further subdue it to even lower positions in the next IGR rating to come after this. It is very disturbing a trend which makes nonsense of the purported fight against godfathers allegedly asking for state resources to be shared to them.

Coronabirus:
Good point. The blind rhetoric won't understand what will or would've happened if all coastal states have standard ports with level playing operation in all the ports. OBJ instead of upgrading the whole power of Nigeria ended up taking enough pipeline and installing enough generators and power stations that sustain the maximum demand of companies in Lagos and Ogun states.
Kano had more industries than any other state in Nigeria around 1999 but with the sinister move & conspiracies of OBJ Kano has hundreds industries closed with many jobs lost.
Lots of evil is happening in this country unknown to e-warriors!

Unfortunately despite the warnings from Obasanjo's own kinsmen in 1999 against electing Obasanjo based on the his horrible antecedents as being part of the architects of Nigeria's woes hence the wrongest choice for a genuinely new beginning and clean breakaway from the dark past; the North, East and SS now complaining of Obasanjo's misrule and economic nepotism went ahead to give him bloc votes on the self-delusional gimmick that he was a patriot and detribalised Nigerian thus implicitly claiming they knew Obasanjo more than his own people. Who then has posterity vindicated today based on these submissions of yours above? people must learn to live with the consequences of their choices.

horsepower102:
There was a time when the city of Hong Kong used to be over 40% of the GDP of the whole of China.

But China one day decided to do the right thing and opened up the rest of the economy.

Eventually all the advantages that Hong Kong had slowly wore out.

Today the city of Hong Kong is only 3% of China’s GDP.

This is what will happen one day to Lagos.

Enjoy the monopoly and the uneven playing field while it lasts.

The Hong Kong vs China analogy may not hold here because there was a time in history when the Yoruba political leadership moved a motion to have federal capital moved out of Yorubaland entirely to the Eastern Region but the Eastern political elite sabotaged that motion in the federal parliament because they feared losing the premise on which they were agitating that Lagos be declared a no-man's-land. Had they not nursed such greedy intention against Lagos, the Old Eastern Region would have enjoyed federal capital and its economic stimulus advantages for roughly an equal length of time as Lagos hence the uneven playing field you complain about would never have been.
People must learn to live with the consequences of their choices.

PDPdestroyer:
If truly you're a Yoruba man, and wrote this nonsense, then you're one of the many bastards we have in our midst in the SW for you to think any Igbo man will support any good cause regarding the Yorubas. I don't know your age, but you must be a kid in his 20s or an adult without knowledge of history.
Go check history, anytime a Yoruba man vies for the office of the President, the Ibos have NEVER delivered for any Yoruba candidate, they did it for Awolowo, Abiola, even in 1999 they voted against the Yoruba choice of Olu Falae, and these are the people you're calling on to support any action by Yoruba youths, are you okay?
Do you know what befell Benjamin Adekunle who fought on the side of Biafra during the civil war? That's the fate that awaits any Yoruba man foolish enough to think that any Igbo man will support him on any any good cause.
Yorubas are capable enough to fight their own battles without any help from any saboteur from the SE

I guess you meant to say Victor Banjo as per the bolded.
Ojukwu killed him after he betrayed his own Yoruba people fighting for the same Biafrans who killed innocent Yoruba army officers like Ademulegun and Shodeinde.

Zik the Mr. One-Nigeria and saboteur of motion for secession clause which his people cheered him for back then but now want so badly.

stanluiz:
I like it . The battle line has been drawn.

If it so, Wike should avoid any South East. Anambra governorship Elections is on the way, He respect respect himself and avoid coming to Anambra to campaign for PDP because he will be embarrassed and disgrace and PDP governorship Candidates will not win that election.

He feels he will wise. He thinks pushing anti- igbo sentiment will upgrade his political carreer and make the northerners and other igbophobic Nigeria to love him and vote for him if he contest for any National political post in the future. That is because it is only anti Igbo sentiments that Unites Nigeria.

Even those in ApC are cheering him because they know his downfall is approching and they will never vote for him should he contest and national political position.

Wike also said that PDP can also zone the 2023 president in the North. I know he is eyeing for VP.
Very good Let PDP try that rubbish by zoning the president to the north and appointing Wike as their VP. He will know how far.

All his anti-Igbo sentiments are being taken Note. It will be used in the future especially in 2023 election where the idiot will be PDP vice presidential Candidate.

I now beginning to See the reason Umahi decamp. Umahi did not decamp to ApC for presidential candidate. He decamp because of the Injustice SE has faced under PDP for years despite giving the party thier full support and Votes and Wike the PDP leader worsen it by his anti-Igbo sentiments. And PDP did not even condemn his role most especially the obigbo killings that happens last year. The records will play a good role in 2023 elections.

Igbos in PDP should leave that Party or better sabotage it and dump it like a rag it is should PDp under the leadership of a thug like wike should they zone the presidential ticket to the North.

The minority man called wike thinks he is Wise without knowing he is both foolish and stupid.

2023 is fast approaching. He will how far.

Abeg forget all these stories.
No matter what PDP or Wike does to Igbos, Igbos will always vote for that party. The result of the outcome of the last Abia bye election which held after Wike had openly declared that he supports PDP zoning the 2023 ticket to the North says it all. Igbos are PDP body soul and spirit. Their love for PDP is blind, unquestioning and unconditional. In fact PDP is Igbos' second religion. If Tinubu and Buhari should defect to PDP today Igbos will stop hating them and begin to see them as the best thing to happen to Nigeria.

inspector1:
=ChereCC77 100640199]Obj is a big failure. During his time what did he do. Full, ape. Looking for third tenure



USE UR BRAIN NOT UR ANUS.... FACT IF U CARE TO KNOW; FROM 1999 TILL DATE NO OTHER ADMINISTRATION BEAT OBJ/ATIKU RECORD IN ALL RAMIFICATIONS.

The same OBJ-Atiku administration which pioneered state sponsored genocide as exemplified in Odi and Zakibiam, signed into law the National Assembly jumbo allowances which erodes as much as 25% of our budget, unethically approved private university licenses for themselves while still in office, came out openly to fight dirty and accuse each other of having milked the country dry through plundering PTDF funds, Marine Float account etc, increased pump price up to ten times within eight years without any project to show for it, sold crude oil at an average of $110 for 8 years and ironically the nation's foreign reserves continued to dwindle, openly encouraged politics of incessant defection and through that sowing the seeds of this present scourge of politics devoid of ideology and principles, left a legacy and culture of broad daylight ballot box snatching during elections despite they themselves being ushered in in 1999 with a free fair and transparent election, allowed Book Haram to consolidate from its embryonic stage into the cancerous form all for the sake of political capital, etc. I am still at loss as to what metrics you used to rate OBJ-Atiku administration as the best.

inspector1:
=seanferOBJ is always showing us how shameless an adult he is. The 1999 election that brought him to power was the same that brought all the 774 LGA Chairmen conducted by INEC. But once this old man gets into power he made sure that INEC never organize election for LGS again and this made the state Governors to turn LGAs to their second cashing point. He refused to pay all the LGAs in Lagos for years even when the Supreme Court judgement that order him to pay the allocation.
OBJ is the foundation of our problems since 1999. He introduced money bag legislature, used federal government agencies to witch-hunt his political enemies.
So the old man should keep shut.




SHUT UR DIRTY MOUTH..... OUT OF THE 774 LG IN NIGERIA, WHY IS LAGOS CASE TAKE DIFFERENT? IN 1999 LAGOS STATE GOVT CHOOSE TO CREATE ADDITIONAL MORE COUNCIL WITH THE HOPE TO GET MORE FUND FROM THE FG & OBJ ADVISED THE GOVERNOR TO RETURN TO STATUS QUO BUT HE REFUSED. FG THEN DECIDE NOT TO RELEASE FUND, IS THAT OBJ FAULT OR THE GOVERNOR?
STOP SPREADING LIE.... because U ARE BENEFITING FROM APC GOVT.

What are you saying? You must be a comedian. Didn't Obasanjo continue holding onto the funds even after the Lagos State Government had, in obedience to Supreme Court ruling, reduced those LGAs to LCDAs which were meant to be funded by Lagos State itself hence the issue of seeking funds from the center totally out of the scenario? Those telling you that OBJ is at the root of the faulty structure we operate till today are perfectly correct. Wasn't it during his so-called LGA reforms as military HOS that nearly 50% of items in both concurrent and residual lists transferred to the exclusive list all in the name of him seeking the same one-Nigeria he has suddenly woken up to describe as Fulani hegemony? Wasn't it during his time that schools were taken over from missionaries and transferred to the Northerners-dominated federal military government thereby leading to the beginning of the crash in the standards of education and loss of informal education content from the curriculum?

babaolofin:
Definitely, you are a northern coward who believed in the disunity of the South to keep feasting on the Southern resources and labour. Firstly, I am Yoruba man. You are not an Ijaw or Urhobo and neither an Efik or Ibibio. You have just analyzed yourselves.

Definitely you are an Ipobian pig and it is clear in your choice of diction. You are not Yoruba but a unity-begging slave of Lamidi Cownu whose likes assume that the SS is only made up of Ijaws, Urhobos, Efik and Ibibio. No genuine Yoruba man blames and attacks his own Yoruba race for the consequences of Zik's shortsighted greed while exonerating Igbos 100% as you did in your previous post. The SS Region has come to stay and your Old oppressive Eastern Region is history forever.

babaolofin:
You said there is a rivalry between IBOS and Yorubas and the South South should be left out of the oppression and exploitation of oil wealth of Niger Delta

I guess there is no rivalry between Yorubas and your Igbo race yet you have always termed Yorubas cowards, parasites, traitors and Fulani slaves in addition to swearing never to vote for any Yoruba man in 2023 same way your lord and savior Lamidi Cownu instructed you that all Yoruba clerics are thieves whose churches you should stop attending.

babaolofin:
the enterprising spirit of the IBOS and the intellects of the Yorubas. You are a big CLOWN.

You mean the same 'enterprising' spirit of Igbos that inspired them into dismantling the enterprise-nurturing federalism and replacing it with unitary system which kills enterprise, encourages laziness, inspires entitlement mentality, corruption, etc? And you call yourself a Yoruba intellectual with your ignorance of the correlation between federalism and enterprise. I am tempted to ask you the kind of school you attended. Your illogical reasoning above is enough evidence that you are a typical Ipobian clown masquerading as a Yoruba under a false monicker.

babaolofin:
In one sentence, you divide and rule the three region of the South. I don't blame you. No matter how the Monarchs and elders suppress revolutionary movements from the South West, one day, there would be reactions.

It is only in your SE that your monarchs and even Ohaneze Leadership are suppressing the so-called revolutionary movements. What you mistake for suppression by Yoruba monarchs and elders is their preference for a secession movement founded on careful planning and broad based consultations with a clearly defined method of approach as precedented in Awolowo's chosen intellectual and bloodless approach to the same Yoruba secession question while he represented them unlike your Ipobian one that is thriving on emotions built around Jonathan's 2015 loss even though Jonathan is not from your region. This too is precedented by Ojukwu's sudden desire for secession which was founded on the kicking out of his brother, Ironsi, from power than a genuine concern for Igbo nationalism.

babaolofin:
Igboho is not learned and exposed, generations after him, educated touts and thugs, educated people pushed to drugs by frustration and loss of jobs, youths in cultism and aggrieved intelligent people shall come together to form militants in South West to kick start revolution against injustice.

If you were truly a Yoruba person, the fact that the thuggery and militancy of a semi-illiterate Gani Adams has not successfully been able to serve as a rallying point for Yorubas in their quest for justice within Nigeria or for outright secession from Nigeria should have been instructive enough to you that the militancy and thuggery of an outrightly illiterate Sunday Igbho is less hopeful of serving as a rallying point or inspiration for any future generation of Yorubas in their quest for social justice within Nigeria. If with their mountainous intellect and genuine commitment to the Yoruba nation interest, the likes of Awolowo and Wole Soyinka had and still has antagonists among Yorubas, is it a thug, crass-opportunist and stark illiterate like Sunday Igbho that will enjoy 100% support among the same Yorubas? Don't you think that your inability to make these logical deduction exposes you as a liar and impostor for claiming to appreciate Yoruba intellectualism?

babaolofin:
If Zik had allow secession clause, will the Slave master allows slaves to go easily ?. Until the Yorubas demand secession, freedom is not freely possible. It is Yorubas that are caging the entire South by their inactivity .

And who was a slave master to who back then when Zik was sabotaging secession clause motions? You are obviously of the indomie generation else you would have been informed enough to know that even the North (which you assume as slave masters) were equally seeking secession at those times too. Ahmadu Bello was the first person to describe the amalgamation as 'The Mistake of 1914' and was also the first to ask for de-amalgamation. Indomie generation Ipobian, go and read to cure your ignorance.
In one breath he claims the North is the one doing divide and rule to the South with the objective of holding them back in Nigeria, but in another breath he claims it is the Yorubas that are holding the South back in Nigeria by their inactivity after having credited Sunday Igboho with activity. So which of these self contradicting assertions do we choose now? What greater evidence is there to being a confused Ipobian clown notorious for their inability to maintain a single line of argument?

babaolofin:
The South South militants are fully ready on ground, the ESN is fully ready.

This alone shows you are out of tune with reality but swimming in your own world of alternate reality. Which militancy group of the SS has ever been genuinely committed to the Niger Delta emancipation struggle other than MEND headed by the Okar Brothers who Ironically were grounded by their own brother Jonathan with the same federal might of one Nigeria which Ojukwu and Ironsi used to ground Isaac Adaka Boro?

babaolofin:
If Yorubas fires one bullet of war at Ibadan or Lagos today, the militants of Niger Delta will fire ten and the ESN will fire twenty . Nobody, I say nobody can have the audacity to send battalions of Hausa soldiers and commanders to any Southern Territory.

Mr. Ipobian, Yorubas are not as brash and thoughtless as Cownu and his followers to start a war they are Ill-peepared for to warrant just firing shots randomly and indiscriminately as you assume. Even the SS militants only attached oil installations without ever going on a full scale offensive against the FG. Only ESN is taking the approach of killing their own and beating up their elders. That is not revolution but pure stupidity.

babaolofin:
You are a small boy. Sir Government Emuokpolo, Alhaji (Dokubo) does not know you exist.

You truly deserve pity for using as a reference the same Asari Dokubo who long abandoned his boys in the creeks to go and accept from the Yaradua (a Fulani) government a permanemt suite in an Abuja five star hotel and a placation offer which proceeds he used to establish a private business not even in the Niger Delta Region he claimed to be fighting to liberate but in an entirely different country outside Nigeria. Tompolo has been forever quietened with pipeline protection contracts. Only a self deluded Ipobian places hope on these opportunistic Niger Delta figures to lead the region in a genuine and selfless quest for social justice. I never knew I had been engaging a shallow minded analyst until I read this part of your response. You need to cover your face in shame for yet being ignorant of the scam which Asari and Tompolo are.

babaolofin:
What Major Isaac Adaka Boro saw in the 60s is still very glaring. The exploitation that Ken Saro Wiwa saw until he died is still there.

You don't know history.

See who is talking of history! Did Adaka Boro or Saro Wiwa seek a joint SS-SE-SW secession like you have been proposing here? You are a deluded ignoramus.

babaolofin:
The conclusion of the whole matter is the predicament of an enterprising, resourceful and very hardworking people caged by the nomadic lousy and lazy people in a country they are never happy to belong. It is a forced marriage between two strange bed fellows where the other partner was held captive in slavery to the other. It is now either they play by the rule set by their master or die in slavery and the YORUBA elites are watching and happy .

If Igboho that is uncivilized, not refined and not highly educated has not risen up to challenge the oppression in the land, no YORUBA elite, Monarch or politicians has the courage to challenge the oppression. If Igboho has not acted within his mental ability, nothing would have happened. I have witnessed Yorubas been slapped and beating at Sasa, Ibadan since year 2000. I have seen them being cheated in that area without any reaction because Yorubas believed they will not get fair hearing at Police Station. Yorubas have no voice in that area. What was witnessed during the last riot at Sasa was the courage awakened by Igboho bravery that led to revenge on the killing of the Yoruba man. This action has been suppressed by some leaders in Yoruba land, but the effect of the Civil war on the IBOS cannot be suppressed . All the predicament of the IBOS regarding promotion from CP to AIG and DIG have its root in the years lost to Civil war, the psychological effects of Civil war and years of rebuilding their businesses .

This game will come to an end one day. The predicament of the IBOS and South South people is from the YORUBA elites and politicians. The IBOS and South South people in Yoruba land should be prepared to support any future action that would be led by the Yoruba youth.

Please always speak for your Igbo race alone and leave SS people out of this Igbo vs Yoruba rivalry. The SS people didn't ask Igbos to start a war they were Ill-prepared for and therefore bound to lose with devastating consequences. Igbos started the consolidation of the forced marriage they now cry about and blame every other tribe for. Remember Zik invented the one-Nigeria slogan and frustrated every motion to make secession easy? What were the tribes of Ojukwu and Ironsi who sentenced Isaac Adaka Boro to death by hanging for declaring secession of Niger Delta Republic and then proceeded to promulgate the Anti-secession Decree?

ScamHunter:
This is not the first Fulani man to rule Nigeria. Nevertheless, there are Fulani men and there are Fulani men. Just the way there are Yoruba men and there are Yoruba men. Our problem as Africans is that we are incapable of strategic insight. Even an enemy without needs people inside to accomplish an objective. That the person they got is your blood brother makes it even easier. Let it be a parable since we never really are capable of seeing beyond what is not obvious. It's a fine African tragedy. Please do not ask me to explain further.

Contrary to your assumption, not everyone who querries the obsession with GEJ's 2015 loss is a Yoruba person. That said, your parable fell far short of answering my question.

ScamHunter:
No just Igbo were sidelined. You do not blame Fulani for not taking chances. Why should they appoint you knowing that you'd be a clog in their wheel of domination? [/b]Cornering all security apparatus, judiciary, finance and economy plus the electoral body is essential to perpetuate power and totally subdue all Nigerians. Ohaneze should stop making noise. [b]This is what every sensible person saw in 2014 and warned Nigerians. It is stupidity to cry over spilled milk. Rather think of how to defend yourself from their foot soldiers cutting wide swats in tears and blood. For the rest of the idio-ts from the South hoping you'll be president in 2023, berra invest in prayer and fasting or more coffins. Mumu Africans with zero strategic insight.

Per the bolded; are you suggesting that if Jonathan had won in 2015 he would have remained life president or handed over to a Southerner if he chose not to remain president for life? Isn't it a Fulani man dictated to him by the PDP zoning formula that he would have still handed power over to on completion of his second term in 2019? So how exactly would GEJ's victory in 2015 have permanently prevented the Fulanis from getting to power again to perpetrate their alleged domination agenda? I need honest answers. Thank you.

sammyj:
The first question you need to ask yourself is were you loyal to the people you governed when you were in power or you surround yourself with sycophants like Buhari is doing now !! Make Oga Jona go seat one corner abeg !!

This is the most sensible comment in this thread.