₦airaland Forum

Notatribalist:
We are really mad in this country .Somebody should tell me why we are choosing tinubu over Osinbajo?somebody should pls tel me.

Same 'madness' that made us choose Obasanjo over Falae in 1999.

slowice:
Make I see una leg for southeast idiots.... After destroying southsouth they want to extent their leprosy infested hand to the east..... It won't work.

Let your one Nigeria end in the south south.

But this one-Nigeria idea originated from the South East. So why the resentment against it now? Wasn't it Azikiwe that continued to push for a Nigeria with a powerful center where all revenues are pooled on the argument that such was better for national unity?

tamdun:
Of course, that's our next goldmine, I Don dey salivate already
Nigeria unity is non negotiable - Nnamdi Azikiwe

I love this. When Azikiwe was chanting one-Nigeria out of his greed and lust for other tribes' lands end resources his kinsmen termed it nationalism. But today they label Fulanis as Jihadists for promoting the same one-Nigeria Philosophy invented and championed by the 'great' Zik of Africa the foremost Nationalist and detribalised Nigerian who ironically was not only a member of a tribal association known as Igbo State Union (ISU) but even accepted to be its president.

ThumbzTNA:
Do Yoruba people not spew venom on PDP despite the fact that the party gave Yoruba people the president seat for 8 years. So is it that the Yoruba are in or Greedy

I am not Yoruba in the first instance.
Secondly I have never seen any Yoruba person who argues that Imo and Ehonyi people are no longer in the SE region for being ruled by APC. I have also never read a Yoruba person here describe anyone as anyone's slave without any provocation to it. I have never read a Yoruba person claim that Oyo people are traitors among them for voting for PDP when all other SW states prefer APC.
But I have read Igbos here insult Edo State, Delta Central and other SS enclaves as traitors, Fulani slaves and idiots for electing APC candidates as governors or National Assembly representatives.
FYI Obasanjo was actually the candidate of the Igbo-Hausafulani complex in the 1999 election against Falae who was the Yorubas' actual choice.

I can't imagine that these people won't mind flying APC ticket for 2023 given how much bile and venom they have been spewing on the party since its founding in 2013. Last Saturday Abia bye-election is a clear evidence that APC will have irreversibility nailed its own coffin onto final extinction if it ever experiments with Igbo candidacy in 2023. APC even stands a better chance in fielding a SS candidate than a SE one. If APC gives ticket to an Igbo man and he wins by any miracle, that will be the first time in the history of Nigeria that an incumbent president will defect from one party to another as such Igbo president is sure to defect to PDP at the slightest provocation. Igbos have their bodies, souls and spirits in PDP no matter how the party humiliates, cheats, represses, oppresses and derides them.
If PDP cannot give Igbos 2023 ticket despite all the costly sacrifices that tribe has blindly been making for the party since 1999 to the extent of even the political absurdity of insulting nearly every other tribe in defense of PDP, then any other party that thinks it can endear Igbos to itself by offering them 2023 ticket will be very naive and in fact silly for not first wondering why their beloved PDP is scared of giving them ticket in the first instance.

TheRealestGuy:
What do you think you learnt?

I maintain that the level of ignorance and almost non existent critical/logical/analytical thinking skills in most Nigerians is the cause of the level of poverty and hardship we're facing today.

Can you not be a sheep and think for yourself? Also, do some reading and research?

Kai!

Why not provide the contrary facts you claim to know?
Here is another circumstance in which Zik sabotaged secession clause motion which would have forestalled the anarchical drift that has come to define Nigeria.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thenewsnigeria.com.ng/2017/06/25/my-opposition-to-secession-zik/amp/

wiseoneking:
Azikiwe led Eastern Nigeria and created Biafra? Are you alright? By the way, how old are you?

Are you claiming ignorance of the fact that Azikiwe held a prominent position in Biafra the earlest days of the newly declared republic only for him to defect to his usual one-Nigeria side when it began to appear to him that Ojukwu had started losing it to the federal side on a permanent basis?

Elliot2:
Where in that writeup did you see Azikiwe telling you he wanted to rule and dominate Nigeria? If not for anything, he was trying to save the north which appeared weak to maintain a separate country, ànd that their separation would become a big burden on the south if crisis happen. Every right thinking person will see thàt writeup as one showing the traits of the common Ibo man, as one who hates to see others suffer. There is no gainsaying that the south would never have been in peace if the north did not get it right if they formed a separate country. And what has the north done in appreciation to the Igbo man after his sacrifice to save them them from destruction?

Your attempt to deny the desire of Zik to have his people dominate Nigeria amidst the preponderance of evidence is at best a comic relief.
Didn't Zik declare in 1945 that the gods of Igbo land had destined Igbos to rule over Africa perpetually?
Then in 1949, didn't Charles Onyeama re-echo Zik in more specific diction when he declared that Igbo domination of Nigeria was just a question of time?
Are you aware that the North which you claim Zik wanted to save in those circumstances had already started killing Zik's own kinsmen in thousands years before Zik purportedly started wanting to save them? If yes, then are you suggesting that Zik's way of reasoning was so weird and nebulous that he believed that between a killer and his victim it is the killer that needs to be saved from his victim? Sometimes the ways some of you Igbos rewrite history just to whitewash this myopic and greedy Zik leaves one wondering if your current cries of marginalization by the Nigerian system should be taken seriously.
What that monicker you quoted said in that particular write up is the uncomfortable truth about how we got into this mess. Zik and Ironsi remain the greatest evils that befell Nigeria.

kettykin:
No because of the platform he used to achieve that, he overnight caused all yoruba speaking members of the party to cross carpet

Go and check your facts very well. An Urhobo man was among those who crosscarpetd from NCNC to AG. Then Pa Awodi representing the Kukuruku Division (now Edo-North Senatorial District) crosscarpetd in favor of Zik i.e. from AG to NCNC during the said crosscarpeting saga meaning that Zik too benefited from the crosscarpeting but only used it to whip up sentiments being a bad loser. Though Zik would later admit in his book 'My Odyssey' that he actually didn't win that election crosscarpeting or no crosscarpeting.

Misterone:
you are the one displaying your stupidity on the net. the name Niger Delta is not based on oil producing states but is a region in the southern part of Nigeria.

Don't mind those set of folks. They know what Niger Delta actually means but just keep twisting the narrative to play the devil's advocate.

internationalman:
It's hard to believe that Edo is an oil producing state...

Maybe it's condemn oil we are producing

You must have failed your Local Geography in secondary School.
Your brother, Orijako, owns SEPLAT oil company drilling oil in Eso State.

oscarline2002:
Akwa-Ibom took over oil wells from Cross River State. I wonder the insanity of someone saying Cross River State does not produce oil?God will punish Akpabio the slave master in APC who ceded 78 oil wells to Akwa Ibom. Wicked man!

Political correctness does no one any good on the long run.
The ceding of Cross River State's oil wells to Akwa Ibom happened under a PDP controlled federal government of Jonathan with both the loser Cross River State and the gainer Akwa Ibom State under the PDP when it happened, and the loss of oil-rich Bakassi Peninsula also happened under the Obasanjo-led PDP. In essence Cross River State lost all its oil wealth through PDP both at state and federal levels at a time APC had not been dreamt of let alone being formed.

Oshigun:
Yorubas should certainly consider their options if another Northerner is President in 2023 because we are signing our own death warrant and inadvertently resigning ourselves to the fate of going down with Nigeria.

Buhari has made it crystal clear Nigeria cannot become truly great under a INortherner. No Northerner will touch the fundamentally unfair underpinnings of Nigeria because such favours them. This much every Southerner should know and appreciate by now.

What Zamfara did under PMB, using clever technicality to keep all proceeds of its gold mining, shows how unfair the North is willing to be in the attempt to control the wealth of Nigeria amid other glaring actions that has already given the region control of essential parastatals and armed forces of our nation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2020/10/28/who-owns-zamfaras-gold/amp/

Per the bolded; please is there any Southerner president that is innocent? We had Obasanjo and Jonathan for a cumulative 13 years through which restructuring demands never one day ceased. Didn't Obasanjo label as haters of Nigeria unity all those who led these restructuring campaigns? Didn't Jonathan reluctantly convoke a confab which he never genuinely intended to implement its report?

rotadeco27:
So the solution to the problem is to end the lie . Seriously God has blessed each region with all to be a great nation , being together is drawing us backwards

Attempts were made from the very beginning to end the lie as at when it was yet to take root but some tribe resisted those attempts for only God knows what. Therefore the first step of the solution is for that tribe to first explain why they chose to sabotage those earliest attempts. Without that, any attempt made again will amount to nothing.

7lives:
The same reason why Akintola had to die, imagine an Igbo VC was appointed for UI and all his staffs were Igbos, but the gardeners cleaners and messengers, were Yorubas.
This was what Akintola spoke against, he asked if there were no Yorubas with ordinary primary six certificate, that Yorubas were only qualified for menial jobs?.
That interview is still on YouTube.

Exactly. Akintola actually had a very solid and justifiable argument. I think the manner he went about it such that it brought ridicule to Awolowo, was why he didn't acquire traction among majority of his Yoruba folk. But all the same he didn't deserve such a brutal murder which nwobosi carried out on him.

rotadeco27:
This country was never one from the word go. It formed on a platform of lies and deceit! The only viable solution is dissolution of the lies and each region will develop

Your position above that this country was founded on lies and falsehood is very correct and factual. In fact figures like Ahmadu Bello, Awolowo, Enahoro and Balewa all attested to this fact right from the beginning and to that effect moved motions for secession clause or outright de-amalgamation but Zik sabotaged all their efforts because he was greedily seeking to take the place of the about-to-depart-colonial masters being a neo-colonialist himself. At another point in time Isaac Adaka Boro even went as far as physically attempting to break up Nigeria in order that everyone might go their separate ways to forestall the mess we are currently in but he was arrested and sentenced to death for that by none other than Ironsi and Ojukwu who incidentally were, like Azikiwe, from the tribe now complaining most of how unworkable Nigeria is and the need to end the false marriage. Wasn't the marriage already false and contrived as at when Azikiwe, Ojukwu and Ironsi were busy sabotaging efforts of other tribes to end it? So whose fault is it that we find ourselves in this pit today?

engrchykae:
you must think Nigerians are fools,is it not sardauna that boasted how the new nation Nigeria will be an estate of their great-grandfather othman Dan fodio?
And you are saying his northernisation agenda is only for the North.

You must have been assuming that the complete history of those events are lost. Ahmadu Bello initially didn't want the North to be part of Nigeria prior to independence. In fact he was the originator of the description of Nigeria as "the mistake of 1914" and was also the first person ever to ask for de-amalgamation. So how could he have dreamt of having as estate of his grandfather a country he didn't even wish to be part of in the first instance? Even if we are to assume that he later declared Nigeria as his grandfather's estate on October 11 1960 as has been alleged, shouldn't that have been due to the fact that he and his Northern Region where forced to remain in Nigeria against their wish by a coalition of the colonial masters and the myopic one-Nigeria chanting Zik? If you are arm twisted into belonging to a group where you have reasons to fear that you will be an endangered species, wouldn't you defend yourself by being proactively aggressive in that forced union?

Nigeriabiafra82:
East have not forgive sarduana of sokoto for his racists comment in 1956 during his interview by bbc
Where ,he unveiled northernization agenda,which is what APC manifesto is adapting to
Northernising every political position in Nigeria

Also where he upheld his hatred on easterners and igbos ,to extent even bbc journalists was shock
I think that was why nzeogwu hate him too,a niger delta labeled igbo coup

Apart from Ahmadu Bello making himself very clear in that interview
that his Northernization policy was for the Northern Region alone and not for the entire Nigeria, common sense dictated that under the highly decentralized extant structure of those times it wasn't just going to be possible for any individual from one particular region, be he the prime minister or a premier, to impose a particular policy on the entire country unlike the way it has become today courtesy of the unitary system imposed on us by an Igbo army officer who got to power through the back door which he opened with the barrel of a gun. So if Igbos felt that Ahmadu Bello's Northernization policy was negativity affecting those of them resident in the North back then, then the next thing would have been to relocate back home to their Eastern Region and encourage their own premier too to commence Easternization policy for the Eastern Region. And come to think of it, didn't Ahmadu Bello ask the British journalist in that interview if any graduate of Northern origin was employed in either the Eastern or Western public service and he could not give an affirmative answer in all honesty? So it means every regional premier back then was doing exactly what they were accusing Ahmadu Bello of doing just because Ahmadu Bello wasn't pretending about his but was bold and candid enough to admit it before the public glare.

bigfish3k:
That is as much as the federal government run economy allows

But they are doing well with it. What else do you want them to do.
Are they the ones that made NEPA not to function well for industries to thrive?

Exclusive list rubbish killed Nigeria

Yes, the overbloated and obese exclusive list is responsible for the predicament of Nigeria till tomorrow. But guess what? Professor Nwabueze an Igbo intellectual was responsible for the further stuffing of the exclusive list with items from the concurrent list in the 1978 constitutional conferences in which he headed the committee that had to do with the lists.

Conrod:
But the same "ibadan weed" effect worked in 1999 for obasonjo vs falae contest.

Obasanjo was the candidate of the North-SS-SE and not produced by Yorubas as their bargain chip. We all know who Yorubas' put out as their only choice in that election, so the 1999 contest was between a Yoruba candidate and an Igbo-SS-Hausafulani candidate.

bigfish3k:
A president is highly influencial.
He can influence the nation to growth

What the monicker you are replying is trying to pass across is that the duty of restructuring the country is constitutionally that of the legislature and not the executive which only has to follow formality in signing into law a restructuring bill if passed by the national assembly over which no sitting president has power.

Eastlink:
I knew I would find you & Barcanista aka Onlytruth here. Please help me share the Bomadi Ogogoro you dey drink. So when is Otuaro becoming the next Governor of Delta state after Okowa. When will Ijaw rule Delta state? Rivers state for now is a no-go area, let’s talk about your state.

Deadlytruth is not the same person as Onlytruth. Please study the lines of argument of these two monickers very deeply and see the clear difference. I am not Barcanista in any way. While he is an Ijaw person, I am not. And by the way, what is wrong with either Barcanista or tutudez being found on this thread? Don't they have their individual freedoms of speech? Why can't you counter them with superior facts and arguments?

bigfish3k:
The promising development that they have shown is how igbos are succeeding in their businesses all across the nation

The igbo DNA is investment inclined not like SW and the North that are consumption inclined.

If igbman rule Nigeria,
He will invest and make more money for Nigeria before using the profits made for infrastructure, in that way the country will be richer instead of this borrowing attitude that the north is displaying.

The true federalism which inspires healthy competition and its resultant nurturing of productivity and investment spirit was abolished by an Igbo head of state on the advice of an Igbo intellectual. So what are you telling me about Igbos being pro-investment and productivity-inclined?

buckeyemedia:
But when igbos were rallying around the VP then, they even changed his name to Jonathan Ebele Goodluck Azikiwe (JEGA) they did not remember he was from the south South? Jonathan is a default President, he did not represent us, he was a creation of the Fulani Caliphate.

I am with you totally on this. Igbos called Jonathan their own son. In fact Igbos began to use the expression SS-SE thus suggesting that these two regions had become one and the same. So why are they now miffed at the suggestion that a SS man clinches PDP ticket in 2023 if the SS and SE since 2015 became one region in their perception?
also agree with you that GEJ was a creation of accident hence didn't really represent us especially if one considers his penchant for sacrificing SS interest in trying to connect himself with Northerners' sympathy. If each region were to be allowed to choose their own representatives in the executive the SS was more likely to have chosen Donald Duke as Yaradua's running mate and potential successor for the 2007 PDP ticket.

tutudesz:
Please which hay days

I wonder o! Please help me ask him. It seems he has his own separate dictionary

bigfish3k:
Giving igbo the ticket is rewarding justice.

If you like the status quo then hold on to it
Igbo man just need the ticket to clean up the mess called Nigeria that you people have been messing up since 1970 that the igbos left power.

Remember that Nigeria had it's hay days when igbos held sway

You mean it was hay days for Nigeria when Ironsi introduced military rule into a perfectly working democracy, went ahead to abolish the true federalism we started with, and then subvert the genuinely we-the-people constitution we all formulated entirely by our self sovereignty as a people?

Eastcaostboy:
why are you guys so scared of igdos, that your useless ass you are hiding soon be open to the public. Just know only an igbo man will get you that your dream life you wish when he becomes president

The facts of history don't agree with the bolded. In actual fact the rise of an Igbo man to number 1 position in this country brought us to the sorry state we are in today through his introduction of military rule into a country founded on the highest democratic ideals, and his dismantling of a world-class model system of government through a set of obnoxious decrees by which he subverted a genuinely we-the-people constitution that would have by now taken us to the attainment sphere of at least a regional power if not world power.

Skyfornia:
Which sweat obasanjo break before dem give am the ticket in PDP?

The Igbo-Hausafulani coalition of the PDP back in those days gave Obasanjo the party's ticket with the intention to spite Yorubas since they knew that Obasanjo was antagonistic to genuine Yoruba interest, so Obasanjo didn't need to break any sweat to get it.

SmartPolician:
In Nigeria, there's a way they check geopolitical terms.

There's South East and South South.

However, "Eastern" means the two regions, probably because there's no cardinal point like South South (it was a political creation).

For example, eastern ports mean the ports in Rivers, Delta and Cross River.

You have been peddling this narrative.
First and foremost the regions are geopolitical and not geographical hence your rhetorical question of whether there is a cardinal direction called South South is actually a search for political correctness on your part. In the US there is a region known as Midwest and another known as New England. If we are to follow your argument then Americans in those regions of divide and rule but by who?
Secondly, I thought I have heard lots of your brothers argue here and in many other platforms that the present geopolitical regions was originally the idea of Alex Ekweme amidst glowing credits to the man? Is Alex Ekweme now a Northerner since you claim the North created the regions for divide and rule politics?

HellVictorinho:
It is not true.

Then counter him with superior facts and argument let's see.

UncommonLogic:
Black folks are easily angered by nature. Even in the US , you can get shot just for stepping on the shoes of a black man.
Whites on the other hand are more easy going and are more able to hide there anger even when they are upset.
This is one of the reasons for high crime rate among black in US and SA.
It has nothing to do with poverty and all other excuses.
Even a rich black man still gets angered easily over little shit.

This is the most sensible comment here so far.

Maxymilliano:
Regional or State security in Nigeria will cause more crisis, considering animalistic tendencies of average politicians.

Imagine a State Police in the hands of someone like Yahaya Bello

This argument has become stale. There are institutions of democracy to address abuse of state or regional police should governors use them for electoral heist, but there are no institutions of democracy known to bring back to life people who die due to the failure of the centralized policing system. Moreover, Yahaya Bello will not be governor of Kogi State forever. When there is state police it will be left for citizens to vote responsible persons as governors and that will even help in discouraging the attitude of voting based on sentiments generally in the country.