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This freedom of expression thing can be painful sometimes. See the kind of thought pattern that someone is expressing. That a country has the right to deny other countries freedom of association.

The end times are truly here. First it was missile defence system, now it is outright banning of a mutually beneficial friendship. Olodumare! What has this world turned into?

Even one congressman in the US has already said this whole process is counter productive. If the bill passes next year, the US government will sue OPEC to its courts, the OPEC countries will not attend. They will then become less friendly with the US, and begin to sell preferentially to China and India.
The US and some of its allies will place sanctions on the OPEC countries, the OPEC countries will place total oil sanctions on the US.

The US will begin buying more crude from the Non-OPEC countries. Supplies will not meet demand, prices will soar. The highly oil dependent economy of the US will slow own massively. Perhaps final collapse. Well, they may even begin to threaten military action, no one will listen.

The truth is, previously, this was not possible because any OPEC country which refused to sell to the US will not have any other massive market because Russia produces far more than it can consume. Unfortunately, there's now India and China; ever willing to scoop up the last drop of oil at a good price.

Also, the OPEC countries have always been obedient to the US in trying to regulate prices and make sure prices do not skyrocket because they feared that if prices of oil became so high, the US and other developed countries would develope newer, cheaper fuels and make crude oil useless, thereby crumbling the economies of the oil producing countries. But after 20 years, where is cold fusion? Where is hydrogen fuel, Nuclear fueled engines, where are solar vehicles and how far with biofuels? These are fuels that would take the next 40 years before they come into everyday use. The next 40 years by which time OPEC would have finished selling its crude oil and used the revenues to develope these new forms of energy and start a new cartel.

What some people refuse to realise is that there is a limit to this crude oil. It is not everlasting. So why sell it for less? You have 5 billion doughnuts and you want to be selling 5 million everyday just because you want the price to come down and to make your customers happy with you. Then when you finish selling them at that cheap price and you have nothing left to sell, what do you do?

Some of you just mention crude oil as if it is dust. Do you know the various products that can be gotten from crude oil? Even synthetic food can now be manufactured from crude oil. Petroleum Jelly, lubricants and engine oils, jet fuel, rocket fuel, plastics and polythene, laptop computer and electronics casings, mobile phone casings, car bodies and interior accessories, insecticides, paints, gasoline, credit cards, ID cards, footwear, buttons, DVDs, toys, condoms, medical equipment and various forms of bulletproof material.

Don't you think even at $70/barrel, we're still cheating ourselves?

I have said it. The US is not going to wait for its downfall. It is carefully crafting it.

Goodday lilrukevwe, may I ask how many members of the house of assembly have been kidnapped so far? Or maybe the question should be how many of those white men or those helpless kids are honorable members of the House of Assembly.

This whole kidnapping thing is just a new and much more profitable form of "DEVE". So kill the whole buffalo soldier crap.

Anyway, hang us. Take us somewhere public in Warri and hang us because we said what is bad is bad. Violence is the inherent nature of you and your sincere MEND. I have told people that if the ransom is not quickly paid, or the father does not proceed immediately for hostage swap, they will behead her. I was wrong though. I don't thing they will behead her. They prefer hanging people in the Southside.

@davidylan

this is the level of idiocy that has eaten into the fabric of your brain. Do you know what a QUOTE is?

Tell me, in which aspect are your quotes and that of Mariory the same. Is it possible to quote somebody's speech and have two different meanings?

Show me where the link is to those quotes of Nasser or else you're as much a lying Arrow as the rest of them. WHERE IS THE LINK WITH THE QUOTE.

Show me a neutral link to a quote, somebody with an IQ in a negative figure is showing me another quote by the same individual.

The man is old. This is what old men do. They sleep at every slight opportunity.

It is the 12million people that continue to sustain this man as their president that I blame.

12million living homosapiens cannot organise themselves and peacefully eject one old man to a retirement home. Its a pity.

They must put in a substantial effort in trying to remove him before a country like South Africa will decide to help them. The time is past when you will just sit down and foreigners will be fighting for your rights.

Look at the South Africans. When the Apatheid was on. The put up a gallant fight against it before Nigeria joined efforts in acquiring their freedom.

@Mariory

there must be something wrong with you. I asked davidylan to post a neutral link where the quotes he posted could be found. He decided to refrain for his own personal reasons. You, with your oversized head, went to post a neutral link with non of the quotes on davidylan's post.

What kind of handmaid are you? If you can't help, don't help. Why are you people so quick to lie in defence of Arabs or in defence of Europeans but so unwilling to tell the truth in defence of Nigeria.

You Mariory are the master truth bender, chief misinformation machinist and Grand LIAR on all issues regarding Israel and Palestine.

I must admit, when we set out to find out who the cap fit, I never envisaged it would be you. But you entered the contest and overtook everybody. MASTER!

I have heard of ezines, but why can't you guys subscribe to something like "muscle and fitness"? What do you guys subscribe to? "Destroy Israel Today" or "Nuke Iran Now"?

I am not feeling cool with myself. In fact I was much distraught when I came on Nairaland today and saw another Israeli/Palestinian palaver. Why do you people keep starting these threads on Nairaland?

If you guys feel that Nigerians have a role to play in the Middle East war, come out in the open and say it!

Thats my word.

@ono & obong

This is the monster that NDPVF created. It transmutated into MEND and now it has lost control.

ono, thank God you mentioned that you're happy about the little girls condition. It gives us an insight into the kind of person you are.

Afam,

lets be honest here. You mean someone anonymously sent you a mail and without confirming any of its content you decide to start a thread on Nairaland. That is how propaganda is transmitted. I did not say show me the whole message. I said, show me any neutral link where I can see the quote by Mr Begin.

Afam, you have by this confirmed that your are the one feeding us misinformation "from your mailbox".

How do you guys even get these things in your mailbox? Is it that you're sitting at your desk minding your own business and then Robert Fisk just guesses up you email address and sends: Welcome To "palestine"?

By the way, let me check Nasser's speech on BBC.

@Afam

where is your link? Because it was you who first mentioned me in this Robert Fisk matter where is the quote that begin admitted attacking Egypt for the sake of it. Post it so I can go and compare both.

@davidylan

You mean you have been following the news but choose to lie? You mean to tell me that you knew the strike was over but just chose to say it was on anyway? Boy, I just can't understand you.

Is it also recent news that Japan has a military far better equipped than most in the world? Since you have been following the news?

I keep trying to understand you but everytime, you shape-shift. I have diagnosed you with MPD but soon after that I begin to realise there's more to you.


@BIGBOYLARRY

There are some things you say that are very considerate. However I don't see how you can tell me that am wrong for saying that "some of the problems can be solved by the government licensing foreign banks such as HSBC which have survived in countries where interest rates are below 5%."

I did not say they UK. I said COUNTRIES where the interest rates are below 5%. HSBC has survived in Japan where the interest rates are below 5%. And even during the period that interest rates were below 5% in the UK, were they not surviving? What we need is for them to come to Nigeria and apply the same principles so that industries can have access to cheap loans.


And I am not saying it must be HSBC. Any foreign bank SUCH AS HSBC. There is nothing right or wrong about this statement it is just a fairly loose suggestion so I don't know where you got your WRONG from.

I would wish to keep silent on this one. The Europeans do not help Nigeria in any way, means or form. The Arab have contributed zilch too. So I see no reason to join this discussion. But why do you people tempt me? Why do you tempt me with so much opinionated misinformation?

Please, I want both of you to post the links from where you cut and pasted those quotes. Let us see if they are neutral sources.

Please post a link thorough which we can reach these quotes both that of Begin and the one of Nasser so that we all can see if these quotes were gotten from fabricators and truth twisters or reliable objective and neutral news sources.

Whichever of you is unable to provide a neutral, objective link on which we can see their quotes is a LIAR, a professional misinformation expert and a sponsor of propaganda.

@TayoD

Thank you very much my brother. I hope I will be able to get a personal discuss from you, possibly backed by a link. Not just a third party link.

This series of politically fallouts leading to accusations and prosecution is good. Very good. In fact it makes politicians know that they will always fall out with each other, so it's best they keep their beaks clean.

@babasin & otokx

may God not have mercy on your souls! The kidnappers are victims too? Obasanjo caused the kidnapping? You guys are actually wicked.

Have you ever calculated that Obasanjo might have caused all the robberies and ritual killings too. Or in babasin's words: the robbers, ritualists and fake drug manufacturers are victims too.

If every criminal in Nigeria can be claimed to be a victim too, then what about Obasanjo? Is he not a victim too? Was he not jailed for years awaiting his death on no proven charges? Is Yar'Adua not a victim too? Was the head of his family not killed in jail?

We're all victims. Lets kill, steal, rape and destroy.

Victims Association of Africa.


Rubbbisssshhhhhhhhh!

Believe me Beline, he's worth far more than N1billion. I believe that man has stolen well up to N60billion and transferred it through he so-called non-interest Islamic banks. He is only declaring N1billion which is the amount that he has been able to acquire proveable documentation for.

@otokx

the roads are bad, no water, no light.

Are kidnappers not in the Niger-Delta sharing money?

Some groups of people in the Niger-Delta are just naturally violent. For years they were killing each other based on who owns Warri. To the extent that the plate numbers for Warri had to be changed from WAR to WRR. Government was the referee trying to broker peace. All of a sudden, these terrorists just realised through some entrepreneural calculations that this their violent nature can be used to generate income. An exceedingly large amount of income, hence the bird of MEND and its associate groups making demands that they really care about.

Let them continue kidnapping. Shey they've started kidnapping toddlers? It will reach a point they will be kidnapping unborn babies from their mothers womb.

God save Nigeria.

Truly, stage actors know the rudiments of acting and put in more effort in their performance during the presentation of the production. Because once the because after the final dress rehearsals, there is no "TAKE 2!"

Screen actors are just for show, but there's something special about them too. They know how to act ordinary. When you get a stage actor for the first time on screen, I can tell. They are too shakespearian. They over-demonstrate and they over-poeticize their lines.

It usually is quite difficult and it takes time for them to realise that on screen, you can act and say things casually. Whoever watches the film and cannot make meaning out of your lack of demonstration of the message should "press rewind".

For those of you who believe that Independence was a mistake, you're not wrong. It was a mistake.

When the British decided to become independent of Nigerian resources, they did not realise how much they were leaving behind. When you hear independence, you guys always think its us that became independent. Who was dependent in the first place?

Who was dependent on palm oil?
Who was dependent on groundnuts?
Who was dependent on coal?
Who was dependent on cocoa?

Now Nigeria also has massive crude oil deposits and also much demanded Cassava. You can always invite Britain back to become dependent on our resources again. I'm sure they won't mind too much.

So let's start a petition on the net. I think if a substantial number of Nigerians can endorse it, we're back in business.

@NuhuRibadu

so you think there is no investment that can yield N112 profit from N203 profit in a year? Maybe you should visit the Business threads of the Nairaland forum.

Do you realise that investing N20,300 in recharge cards can yield N40,600 in one month?
So if you have the right network of dealers and retailers all around the country, if you invest N203million in a month, you could make up to N406million.

No doubt Yerima is a thief. But your line of argument will see that case thrown out of court.

N1billion is not too much for him to have depending on how much he had before he became governor. Somebody else is saying politics is a big business now, but can you remind me of any one of these governors that went in there poor?

The crime of Yerima can be found in those Islamic interest free banks he was liaising with. He has used those banks to steal money by loanining them in the name of the state and transferring the funds through those same "Islamic Banks".

That is where investigations should start. Not asking if N203million can yield N112million in a year. Of course it can!

Well, the situation in the US is terrible and is getting worse, yet they are not letting it get worse all by itself. They even go further to make laws and put policies in place that will make their situation even more dire.

Anyway, the thread is about the dying factories in Nigeria.

There is cheap labour, there are natural resources, there is adequate land, there's a large market even within Nigeria itself.

The basic problems I see are those of Power and Low Interest Capital.

The issue of power is right now being resolved through the efforts of the IPPs and between the End of this year and the beginning of middle of next year, we would have adequate, constant electricity supply.

The provision of cheap Capital is one that would pose a major problem. Almost every bank in Nigeria has a more profitable underground deal it engages its funds in that makes it unavailable for longterm loans.
Also, there is the problem of credibility of those sourcing for the loans. No proper documentation business plans, no substantial identification, over-reliance on insufficient collateral.
Some of the problems can be solved by the government licensing foreign banks such as HSBC which have survived in countries where interest rates are below 5%.

God save Nigeria!

You are blaming Yar'Adua and Obasanjo for some selfish tout that kidnaps 3 year olds for a N10 million ransom?

is it that he was living on below $1 per day that he bought and M-16 rifle and fuel a car to go all the way to Lagos to go and kidnap a child.

Or is it his freedom that he's fighting for that he then collects N10million to buy the freedom back?

My friend sharaaaaap!

Provincea Syria Phillistina
-The Greek 500BC.


Provincia Syria Palaestina
-The Romans 135AD.

Palaestine
-Modern Day.

I wonder if they have any similarities.


Lakos du Kuramo
-Portuguese.

Lagos of the Kuramo
-English.

Lagos
-Modern Day.


See david, I really don't make the rules so I won't grow gray trying to explain them.

I never claimed that the Arabs were the original Phillistines and I said neither are the Europeans the original Israelites. What I said was that they should make the best of what they have and maintain peace. PEACE!


You claim that my post made very little sense but you would recall that my post was one I used to summarise all the various logical statements you'd been making.
So if it made very little sense, contained propaganda, errors, manipulations of history or had nothing of substance, that should tell you something about yourself.


I am not here to take on challenges or to win arguments. I only come to explain what I know.

I'm really sorry for trying to change your mind. I realise it is not that you cannot change, but you will not change. And you have your rights, and I apologise for trying to infringe on them. Every man is responsible for his own destiny.


@Afam

I guess you were right afterall, this sheep is the type that could get the shepherd lost. I no do again.
Thank God I didn't place a wager. You win. Next time, I know where to place my bet.

Meet the Saharareporters. Your reliable source of Rumour.


Recently, it has gradually come reality that there remains only one sure source of hearsay. If you're still reading City People or PM News, then you most definitely haven't heard of SaharaReporters. Despite their desperate attempt to get your attention.


SaharaReporters is Mr Okey Ndibe. He has gathered a bunch of jobless Nigerian youths and they have vowed to hold The entire Nigeria to Ransom. They have taken on a MEND-styled assault.

However, rather than M-16 rifles and Rocket Propelled Grenades, they have carefully selected lies, deceit and blackmail as their working tools.


Instead of holding foreign oil workers hostage, they have chosen to hold the integrity and reputations of prominent Nigerians hostage and threatened to smear their image and ruin their careers.

That we should not condone corruption in any sphere of life. By anyone or through any means.

I say, shebi this Gordon Brown man was elected abi he was selected as Prime Minister. Since we are comparing his government with that of Yar.

I say una don turn the man to GENIE.

You want our Federal Government to refute the words of PM NEWS. God forbid. If they do not over step their boundaries, I'll pay them no heed. If they do, I'll sue for N20million. That is about a month profit. Next time they'll know.

The only good thing that has happened to the life of PM NEWS is that they were the first newspaper to report Abacha's death and that is because every other paper that day was printed before Abacha died.

These days, PM NEWS goes to steal nude pictures of young Nigerian girls from their laptops and use those as headlines. It's a shame!

So you guys, don't want a president anymore, yall dont want a messiah or miracle worker.

You guys are now demanding Yar'Adua becomes a Genie!

So was this Brown man elected too or was he selected?

Okay.

My dear Tayo,

I would have answered most of your questions but for the fact that you couldn't answer the only one I asked:

Is OPEC the cause of the current crazy prices of gasoline?

As for why George Bush supports the rise in gas prices, I wont tickle your fancy with one of my conspiracy theories.

But please let me know if OPEC is the cause of the current astronomical rise is gasoline prices.

I may also want to remind you that in NATO, the US has an arrangement that allows it to lend a Nuclear bomb to Belgium to bomb anybody. But we have not killed them. They are threatening our lives all over the world and breaking the Non-Proliferation Treaty, but we haven't put sanctions on them. We have not disbanded them.

Truly I tell you. The US has finally crafted its own destruction.