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When someone is disfellowshiped, everyone is sad. But that emotional state does not mean they must change the rule on what the disciples say must be done in the congregation.
There is a process before one is being disfellowshiped where the reason for ur actions, the circumstances sorrounding it and your desire in seeking repentance and corrections are being examined.
If you are being disfellowshiped, then there is a high probability you have done something wrong , and if you have not done something wrong, there is a process in which you can have the issue reassesed by others.

Even if you are disfellowshiped ,it is not the end, there is a process of coming back to the fold , if you have shown true repentance, the process is easy and straightforward.

1. What religious organization do u associate with now
2. Why are you dissolutioned .

On the issue of hypocricy, ill like the poster to tell us one of their hypocritical behavior , and we will see if its a general behavior associated with them or its just an individuals imperfect actions.

There are people who take there spiritual uprightness too far, looking at someone who made a mistake as if he is stained with poo. This to me is wrong and with time, the heart of those ones are corrected . If you look at those people as the bases for being dissolusioned , then stop cus its wrong .

lionel4power:
all this bulls&%t u just spit out now shows u dnt know anyting about aircraft carriers and the intricasies of international politics.

BTW Thailand has one and even congo is richer than them. India has two

Ill love to reply your post, but pls tell me what you mean by the word "richer" in ur post. And pls which Congo are you refering to

Aircraft carriers are 1. Technologically advanced war machinery. 2. Very expensive.

Having an aircraft carrier changes the whole layout of a countries military.

Can an african country afford an aircraft carrier ? Absolutely no!
5 years security budget of any african country can not buy an aircraft carrier. Buying one will mean that you don't spend anything on any other part of the military for 5 years . Dnt pay your soldiers for 2 years and ull probably not be be in government again .

Another reason african countries can't have an aircraft carrier is due to the level of technology one has to have to maintain one, african countries dnt have that technology nor will have it in the next 100 years.

Another reason is the cost of operation , u must have jet fighters capable of flying off an aircraft carrier for that ship to be called an aircraft carrier. Bet we know how much each of those plans cost .
Aircraft carries do not move alone , there are ships , battleships,destroyers, submarines , military satellites and high calibre missiles and weapons that go along with this ship at every point in time, without this , the ship is a sitting dock for even the weakest of the over 200 submarines and 1001 jet fighters all over the world . Not having that support group and ten years of ur military budget will be a home for deep sea animals in no time.

The most important reason why an african country cannot buy an aircraft carrier is politics and who will sell it for them.
The only country that has more than one aircraft carrier is the USA. The secrecy on the technology and capability of their ship will be compromised if they build or give one to any african country.
African countries cannot protect their missiles in their own country talk less of protecting the very dangerous missiles on an aircraft carrier.

Algeria cannot be allowed to have high level military equiptments cus it will attract Islamic hardliners who will plot to take over the government and use it .

I thought sd cards where having issues with smartphones(in this case android operated ones) cus the andriod operating system is no longer supporting sd cards and u have to root ur phone before sd cards can work .

POPdecorator:
u just want to derail the topic

that mistake occur during typing

so don't derail the topic


and be giving me ur question 1 after the other

Wow, wow!! Wooooow!

So you made a typo error right!
Bet those 1001 Islamic websites that used francisco mitra as the name of the french president also made mistakes during typing abi!!! .
You have now changed the lie from abbreviation to mistake in typing.
let's leave lie1 for now and move up to lie2 and 3.
If you are man enough can you supply the data I asked on lie2 and can you comment on lie 3?

POPdecorator:
that mean ur brain need upgrading

ur brain don't tell u that franciso mitra
is the abriviation of fransico mitterand?

Haaaaaaaaa!! You can lie ooo!!!

First let's correct ur deliberate attempt to lie here again , the original name of the french president is Francois mitterand and not Fransico mitterand, I wunt allow you cover up ur initial lie with another confusing lie here.


Abbreviation: is a shortened form of a word or phrase.

Abeg , which one is longer , the original name "Francois" or the lie lie abbreviation "Francisco".
So in ur own world , an abbreviated word is longer that the original .

I've told you that when you want to lie, make sure its watertight so that embarassment like this do not befall you. See how you are desperately trying to patch up ur lie basket with lienon (nylon).

Now let me expose you further .
Francisco : is a Spanish name
Francois : is a french name .

Mitra: is of indo-Iranian origin

Mitterand : never abbreviated , a french name.

How can a french name be an abbreviation of a Spanish name . Haba! Bro pls accept you lied in lie1.

Still waiting for info on lie2 and explanation on the big lie 3 .

Note: dnt think derogatory words can help turn ur lies to truth .

Emusan:
You simply ran because nothing in my post you can refute. The saying "Jehovah witnesses know the truth but they decided to live in deceit is true."

I'm still waiting for you to tell me who are the True Christians, remember your statement "Who is a Christian , a worshiper of Jesus or a follower of Jesus teachings, ways and commandments.

Yep, I ran away cus I realized you thought I was trying to refute you.
Secondly , on who is a Christian , it was not a statement but one of the questions I was hoping u answer in which ur refusal to answer quickened my resolve to run away

POPdecorator:
u get dis post frm "answeringislam" site i also know but na lie answer to ur number 2 na lie
that is a fabrication go to google and type did "France requested the Egyptian government to host the mummy of Pharaoh" u will get the answer inshala

Let me tell you something about google, what you type in the search engine is what you get, if you type a lie in the search engine , you get several websites where such lie is being propagated .

If you want to show you are not lying in lie2 , then pls supply us with

1. the name of the pharaoh bucaille studied to come to a conclusion that that mummy is the pharaoh that mohamed was refering to and the year he did the study.

2. The year France requested for the mummy of the pharaoh.

3 . The name of the pharaoh France requested to host.

Ill give you Much respect if you can supply data on those 3 things .

And pls dnt forget to reply me on lie 3 ok

POPdecorator:
u get dis post frm "answeringislam" site i also know but na lie answer to ur number 1 question

François Mitterrand
(1916–1996) Socialist Party [ 27 ]2121 May 198117 May 1995
1981, 1988
Candidate of a united left-wing ticket in the 1965 election, he founded the Socialist Partyin 1971. Having narrowly lost the 1974 election, he was finally elected in the 1981 election. He instigated several reforms (abolition of the death penalty, a fifth week of paid leave for employees). After the right-wing victory in the 1986 legislative elections, he named Jacques ChiracPrime Minister, thus beginning the first cohabitation. Re-elected in the 1988 electionagainst Chirac, he was again forced to cohabit with Édouard Balladurfollowing the 1993 legislative elections. He retired in 1995 after the conclusion of his second term. He was the first President elected twice by universal suffrage, he was the first left-wing President of the Fifth Republic, and his Presidential tenure was the longest of the Fifth Republic

If you want to accuse someone of doing something, you add/bring/supply prove ok.
U say I got my post from a Website , pls post the content of the website that is similar to mine.
U said "but na lie", pls show the lie, dnt just make blank statement .

I believe you urself now know you lied in ur initial post(lie 1) on the name of the french president in 1981. The name of the french president in this post(Francois mitterand) is different from the name u gave in ur initial post(Francisco mitra). Why did you change the names if not to confuse people from finding out the truth.

Pls dnt lie on names that can be verified ok

JMAN05:
Fine one. Until he starts to pronounce Isaiah, Jesus , Jeremiah etc the way the Jews do, don't take him serious.

You re right .
Had to run and flee too when I saw humility and straight forwardness leave the discussion table. The cup of endless un-stopable laughter is not what I want from a discussion , so ill gladly let anyone have it .

eshbeewanna:
Oga Teacher you may as well give us answer to these inconsistencies in your bible since its the only scripture that is infallible.

The Errors of Bible Accounts

In the New Testament, there are contradictions between the genealogies of Jesus given in the first chapter of Matthew and the third chapter of Luke.

Both genealogies begin with Jesus’ father, who is identified as Joseph (which is curious, given that Mary was supposedly impregnated by the Holy Ghost). But Matthew says Joseph’s father was Jacob, while Luke claims he was Heli. Matthew lists 26 generations between Jesus and King David, whereas Luke records 41. Matthew runs Jesus’ line of descent through David’s son Solomon, while Luke has it going through David’s son Nathan.

The story of Jesus' birth is also contradictory. Matthew 2:13-15 depicts Joseph and Mary as fleeing to Egypt with the baby Jesus immediately after the wise men from the east had brought gifts.

But Luke 2:22-40 claims that after the birth of Jesus, his parents remained in Bethlehem for the time of Mary’s purification (which was 40 days, under the Mosaic law). Afterwards, they brought Jesus to Jerusalem "to present him to the Lord," and then returned to their home in Nazareth. Luke mentions no journey into Egypt or visit by wise men from the east.

Concerning the death of Judas, the disloyal disciple, Matthew 27:5 states he took the money he had received for betraying Jesus, threw it down in the temple, and "went and hanged himself." To the contrary, Acts 1:18 claims Judas used the money to purchase a field and "falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."

In describing Jesus being led to his execution, John 19:17 recounts that he carried his own cross. But Mark 15:21-23 disagrees by saying a man called Simon carried the cross.

As for the crucifixion, Matthew 27:44 tells us Jesus was taunted by both criminals who were being crucified with him. But Luke 23:39-43 relates that only one of the criminals taunted Jesus, the other criminal rebuked the one who was doing the taunting, and Jesus told the criminal who was defending him, "Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."

Regarding the last words of Jesus while on the cross, Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 quote Jesus as crying with a loud voice, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Luke 23:46 gives his final words as, "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit." John 19:30 alleges the last words were, "It is finished."

There are even contradictions in the accounts of the resurrection – the supposed event that is the very foundation of the Christian religion. Mark 16:2 states that on the day of the resurrection, certain women arrived at the tomb at the rising of the sun. But John 20:1 informs us they arrived when it was yet dark. Luke 24:2 describes the tomb as open when the women arrived, whereas Matthew 28:1-2 indicates it was closed. Mark 16:5 declares that the women saw a young man at the tomb, Luke 24:4 says they saw two men, Matthew 28:2 reports they saw an angel, and John 20:11-12 claims they saw two angels.

Also in the resurrection stories, there are contradictions as to the identity of the women who came to the tomb,[7] whether the men or angels the women saw were inside or outside the tomb,[8] whether the men or angels were standing or sitting,[9] and whether Mary Magdalene recognized the risen Jesus when he first appeared to her.[10]

As a final example of a New Testament contradiction, the conflicting accounts of Paul’s conversion can be cited. Acts 9:7 states that when Jesus called Paul to preach the gospel, the men who were with Paul heard a voice but saw no man. According to Acts 22:9, however, the men saw a light but didn't hear the voice speaking to Paul.

The foregoing examples are just a few of the hundreds of contradictions contained in the Old and New Testaments. Each contradiction is an instance where at least one of the verses is wrong. Thus, hundreds of contradictions mean there are at least hundreds of incorrect statements in the Bible.

I can give you answers if you really want to know , but just ask me like 2 questions only per post so it wunt get muddled up

@ emusan , it was nice discussing with you . In the future, ill try and ask questions from those who will answer .

gatiano:
There won't have been any need for The Quran, if the gospel had not been tampered with. Also there won't have been a need for the Gospel or the coming of Jesus if the Torah wasn't tampered with. Yet there were 3 other books by three unknown prophets of God which were also tampered with.
The Quran was almost tampered with, but it escaped to Sudan, which is why the hadith was made should in case the real Quran surfaced. It has surfaced.
The last prophet has been sent, and it wasn't Muhammad of 1400 years ago.
7 is the number of completion, there are 7 candles of Asia, so 7 messengers. Prophet Muhammad was the 6th.

Every people always rejected the prophets except a few, majority only accept the truth of the messengers after the devils might have twisted the words of the books.

Not the seventh one, though they are trying.

You did not even attempt to answer my questions, you just posted ur own story . If you want to quote me, pls answer my questions in the format it was asked .

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@ POPsecorator

Now let's analyze ur post line by line and bring out the omissions and falsehood coated with sugar and inserted in it .




When Francisco Mitra became
the president of France in 1981,


Lie 1. No Francisco mitra became president of France in 1981.
Pls correct that lie . I believe that the lie on the name of the french president in 1981 was changed so that people , expecially gullible muslims wunt be able to investigate easily.

Lie 2. There is no empherical prove that France requested the Egyptian government to host the mummy of Pharaoh for the purpose of running laboratory and archaeological examinations on the mummy of the most notorious dictator ever lived on earth.
But there is prove that the Egyptians requested France to help preserve the mummy cus it was deteorating at a fast rate. Due to infection caused by tomb raiders who had earlier discovered where the body was. The assertion is buttressed by these statement in ur post : "Scientists were trying to restore the mummy while Professor Maurice was mainly concerned with how did this mummy die!". Can you see the contradictions caused by false claims in ur attempt to link the mummy and the koran.

Omission 1: you guys deliberately omitted the name of the pharaoh that buccaine examined . I believe this is deliberate so that people would not easily know which pharaoh was studied . With the development in science and study of acheaological evidence, the life, age, health condition and death of all the pharaohs mummies can be ascertained. Pls supply the name of the Pharaoh that bucaille tested .

Lie 3 . When you want to lie, pls make sure there are no loopholes ok .

U stated that : "And there, someone whispered to him that Muslims claim to know something about the drowning of this mummy.
Yet the Professor firmly denied
such thing saying that it’s
impossible to discover this
without the development of
science and without using his
high-tech and complicated
laboratories and computers.
To his surprise, he was told that
Muslims believe in a book
called “Quran” and this Quran
narrates the story of Pharaoh’s
drowning and ensures the
safety of his body after his
death as to be a Sign to
mankind. The Professor
couldn’t believe his own ears
and started to wonder: "

Bucaille was born on 19 July 1920, In 1973, Bucaille was
appointed family physician to
king Faisal of Saudi Arabia.
Another of his patients at the
time included members of the
family of then President of
Egypt, Anwar Sadat. That is, at the age of 53 he was close the the rulers of two great Islamic countries and was even there personal physician . How can you them say that at age 61 or later (1981), he was suprised and did not know about the koran until an unknown person(omission 2) whispered into his hear. Haba !

Let's go on . In this website

http:m.islamicbulletin.org/?url=http%3A 2F2Fwww.islamicbulletin.org%2Fnewsletters%2Fissue_6%2Fembraced.aspx#2854

It is stated that bucaille started studying the quran at age 50 (1970). So he acting suprised on hearing about the koran years later is a blatant lie , and to cover the lie , the name of the whisperer was not mentioned so that people wunt investigate .

There are more lies and omissions in ur post but ill wait and see if you attempt to deny the one I posted .

And for other guys who believe this bucaille story . Pls add the name of the pharaoh he examined and the other omissions .

Lastly , salt is found in high quantity in the body of all the pharaohs . Its an essential ingridient used in their mummification .

@ emusan

Pls pls pls, let us refrain from abusive or derogatory words, pls ehn.

I asked you what should we use as the name of God in english language, as you have stated that the name "jehovah" is inacurate. You stated thus : "For now the proper name is
YAHWEH since Jehovah isn't
the best rendition"

Thus I believe you mean that the name of God in english language is "yaweh" so according to you, english speakers should use "yaweh" instead of "jehovah" as its the more accurate english translation of the name of God in hebrew. Why the derogatory statement ?

Part of ur post you stated that ".....the word JEHOVAH was derived from the LATIN inaccurate formulation of the Hebrew letters YHWH by a
Chatolic monk Raymundus
Martini, which has NO
EQUIVALENT word in
Hebrew. So if the ROOT
WORD WHERE JEHOVAH
WAS DERIVED IN LATIN IS
INACCURATE then the
derivative word Jehovah IN
ENGLISH will also wrong....."

So by the above statement , I believe you mean or are trying to say that the english language does not have a correct(accurate) name of God and must revert back to other languages and use other language(s) name of God to mention the name of God in english. I might be wrong o! That is if "yaweh "is an english language name of God .(I'm not that scholary)

I feel that if the english name of God "jehovah " is innacurate and should be discarded based on your explanation of the innacurate derivation of/from the root word , then you should also champion the cause that all names in the english bible that have root issues too should be discarded, abi no be so?.


I asked ,"Does the english translation (s) u use add the word "jehovah" to its translations? Just want a yes or no answer pls."

The question above no need scholary answer, a simple "yes the versions I use have the name jehovah in it" or "no the versions I use does not have the name jehovah in it " or " some do and some dnt " would be ok.
I no ask "why its there" or "why its not there" or "who made it to be there" so pls can you answer the question ?


I asked you to expanciate on your statement that " jah is the
first part of yahweh" also how do we pronounce the name of God and u stated thus :
"What explanation do you want
again from JAH? Wasn't JAH
the YAH--in YAHWEH?"

Sir if "jah " is the "yah " in "yaweh" then how do we pronounce it in english.
In the english language the letter "j" is pronounced differently from the letter "y" .
If you write/spell "jar" in english ,the pronounciation is different from when you write/spell "yar " in english . So pls , how should we pronounce the english word "yaweh" and how does jah being the first part of it come in during pronounciation in english.?
What I'm really asking is that should I pronounce the first letter "y" in the english word "yaweh" as I will pronounce the first letter "y" in other english words such as year, yard or yes? If no , y?


You said God has other names, I asked to give us those other names , you directed me to bible verses with an indication that God other names are stated there . You did not categoricaly tell me or commit urself to directly state that God other names are so so and so .
Hence I asked the question that in ur view (are you telling me) that Gods other personal names are "repurchaser" and "holy"? Pls answer and do not throw the question back at me

I now went further to state that in case you believe that Gods other personal names are "repurchaser" and holy" , with your prove based on the scriptures u qouted , then why does other translations say otherwise.?this you have refused to answer , all you have done is to questions my questions.
In that verse where you brought out the word " repurchaser" as the personal name of God I read several other versions where the word "repurchaser" is not there, I qouted those translations for you to see and comment on, but all you did is to question me back and not explain why does translations do not conform to ur view or mention that name as the name as the name of God .this I found disturbing .

If the other name of God is repurchaser , why dnt all the scriptures state thus in english, why do they use other english words .
By the way, in those verses you qouted, what is the original hebrew or greek word?



On the issue of mordern english translations and the use of the word jehovah .

Sir , I asked you previously why the name "jehovah" is now occurring more and more in english translations of the bible. This questions implies that as new translations come up, new revisions are being made , the name jehovah keep coming up in them , despite ur claim that scholars say it is wrong /innacurate. I can't be refering to only older translations when the words "now" and "more and more " occur in my question. So therefore I was refering to all translations and not just the older translations .(if I'm wrong , pls tell me what you understand my question to be, as I believe that you must understand a question before you can answer it)

Hence ,On April 29 , by 3:29 PM you answered the question by saying " You can only find it in the oldest translation."

Your statement was not "you can find it in the oldest translations". So pls stop the twisting .

With the original statement you made , one can't but help deduce that you are saying that one can only find the word "jehovah "in older translations and not in later (mordern) or future translations.(if I'm wrong about my understanding of ur answer, pls explain what you meant by "you can only find it in older translations"

To be sure about what you meant with that statement , I decided to ask other questions and ur later answers went contrary to ur initial statement .
This now prompted me to ask a categorical and simple question ,that, is the name "jehovah" included in mordern english translations of the bible ? In which I expect a simple answer of yes, no or I dnt know.
This answer you have not giving in ur reply , pls give us a simple answer.

If you feel you omitted the word "most" in ur statement" , pls feel free to add it anywhere in ur original statement and let's see how it goes sir. Ill be waiting for the addition .



You claim that I lie when I said that I "thought you said" something about mordern translations. I will only reply you when you can prove to me that my thoughts are wrong as to the meaning of ur statements on bible translations and the word "jehovah"



You said my organization lied about scholars . My question to you is that , do all the scholars agree 100 % with ur postulations ? Is there a categorical statement accepted and agreed to by all the scholars that jehovahs witnesses now lie about ?

I asked about the old and mordern english Translation of the entire bible which ur claim the use of the name jehovah is wrong/innacurate . That's what our discussion is based on and not on a translator translation of a part of the bible. Let's not change the scope of our discussion.


The statement "Even when translating quotations from the Hebrew Scriptures in which the
Tetragrammaton appears, most translators use “Lord” rather than God’s personal name" is true. Most do not use "jehovah" . But my question is , do some old and mordern translators ever use the word jehovah in some places where the tetragrammaton exist in the bible ?
Has there been an increase or reduction in the number of bible translations that mentioned the word "jehovah"?.

As to ur question on the martinis inspiration , ill humbly tell you again, oga I no know .

Pls be sincere, when the statement "it's
the Holyspirit who chooses the
person" was made , was he referring to martinis inspiration or to how we can't know who will be ressurected. Pls add prove.

Is being a founder an automatic ticket into Gods kingdom ? If not, y do u keep hammering on Mr Russell .he is just a man like me running his race to gain evalasting life. If he finish the race rightly, I dnt know as I was not there , and neither could I know his heart condition .
A jehovahs witness will tell you what God said you need to do to gain salvation and that you have to do it till the end . Jehovahs witnesses can't categorically say you did it to the end, even if they know some of the things you did, cus some parts of the things you need to do or have done can only be known between you and ur creator .

On the problem you say arose.
I do not see this as a problem
If you want to be a servant of jehovah and believe that he is the only true God you must worship , then you must be his witness and be ready and willing to declare his name far and wide. This jesus did and want us to do, the making of jehovah name known world wide . So if you dnt preach the word of God ,(doing it according to jesus directive), going out to meet people in their homes and on the streets from location to location ,to discuss with them Gods word as jesus as the apostles did,(unless you are incapable of doing such due to contraints and issues beyond ur control) then you are not a true Christian.
The books , magazines printed are aids to study of the bible and bible understanding, it contains scriptural reminders, warnings and advice that aid you to decipher satans snares and his attempts at not letting u know or understand the truth.
If you like read all the books , magazines, etc . It does not guarantee you evalasting life. If you like read the bible from A-Z, it does not guarantee you evalasting life . Doing the will of God as stipulated in his word to us, believing in him and accepting the one he sent to save us , his directives and his ransome sacrifice will.
The questions you should now ask urself are : jesus said that their is an organization that will give spiritual food at the right time to his followers after he has gone to heaven , that will care for them and guide them, that will follow his ways , that it and his members will show its fruitage of the holy spirit, that will not be part of these world or exhibit its spirit, do you know of any organization that strife to follow the above statements ? Do you know of any organization that try to display such fruitages of the holy spirit, do you know of any organizations that strive not to be part of the worlds political system? Do you know of any organization that preach the word from door to door and homes to homes like jesus did . Do you know of any organizations where its members prefer to die than even learn how to kill others?
Do you know of an organization where you dnt receive any financial reward for being a shephered in any capacity in the congregation? Do you know of any organization that combine all the aforementioned attributes ?

On 2. Who is a Christian , a worshiper of jesus or a follower of jesus teachings, ways and commandments.
What are jesus teachings , direct statements about who we must worship? .who did jesus call his God and his followers God, who did jesus say sent him , who's persons name did jesus want declared by his followers.?

Another issue I have is that some muslims qoute from the bible to authenticate/ support the quran and then still claim that the bible is currupt. Inclusive in this issue is the claim that the original Torah or injeel(correct me if I'm wrong) was revealed by allah to the Jews and christians. This brings about the questions .

1. Where is the original Torah or injeel to prove that the present translations are currupt.
2. Is the original lost? Is the word of God lost?
3. Is the scriptures quoted by muslims part of the original words God gave to man before the koran ? And how do we prove this ?.
4. Did the koran use or quote any part of the original and initial books of God , where is it in the koran , and where is the original injeel it qouted from?.

Well, I think there is one general agreement here, that the koran does not give full details about the life of moses and left some parts to our imaginations as to how one particular stage led to the next.

I find it confusing when people use the body of pharaoh to prove the authenticity of the koran. Everybody knows that a pharaohs body is being preserved one he dies. This has been done several hundreds of years even before the birth of moses talk less of thousands of years later during mohameds time. That the body of the pharaoh was found and preserved is not news as at mo's time cus everyone knew it was preserved. That the body was found in the mordern times does not really anything . It only means that those that preserved the body went to great lenghts in hiding the location of the body(due to the great wealth the body was buried with) . Even rich men and other royal family members have their bodies preserved , talk less of the pharaoh .

I would have taken the issue of the body of pharaoh and the implications of its preservation serious if 1. Its only that pharaoh that died in the sea that only had his body preserved and no other pharaoh before or after had his body preserved 2. if its only that body that is discovered 3. If its the first of the Pharaohs mummy discovered.

The most intriguing part is the fact that some muslims try to determine which of the pharaohs mummies is the body of the one that died in the red sea , when they know for a fact that their religious books did not give a date as to the time the incident happened ( probably not to be found wanting in future explanations of their tales) and also did not give details as to the name or who the pharaoh is (at least its not a story book na) . So why then do muslims post pictures of a particular mummy and claim its the pharaoh mohamed was reffering to ?

The op asked :Did jesus say "I am god "

My answer: jesus never said " I am God"

My questions : 1.what is a God and who can we call "a God".

2. Are there many (more than one )God and why do they Call themselves or have the title or position to be called God ?

So english speakers, according to emusan , yaweh is the way to pronounce name for God in english and not jehovah.

Does the english translation(s) u use add the word "jehovah" to its translations? Just want a yes or no answer pls.

U stated (How will you know when you're made to know only Jehovah?
Psalm 68:4 "As Jah which is
his name" (Jah is the first
part of Yahweh), Isaiah 57:15
"And whose name is holy",)

Questions : pls expanciate on what you mean by jah is the first part of yahweh . How do we now pronounce the first part of Gods name in english.

U stated (Isaiah 63:16 "Our Repurchaser[Redeemer] of long ago is your name"

So in ur view " our repurchaser" ,"holy " are personal names of god?

If that's ur view, how do we then align it with the words of other translations below

New International Version
...you, LORD, are our Father, our Redeemer from of old is your name.

New Living Translation
....You are our Redeemer from ages past.

English Standard Version
..... you, O LORD, are our Father, our Redeemer from of old is your name.

New American Standard
Bible
....You, O LORD, are our Father, Our Redeemer
from of old is Your name.

King James Bible
.... thou, O LORD, art our
father, our redeemer; thy
name is from everlasting.

NET Bible
.....You, LORD, are our father;
you have been called our
protector from ancient times.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
....you are our Father. Your name is our Defender From
Everlasting.

Jubilee Bible 2000
....thou, O LORD, art our father; our everlasting Redeemer is thy name.

King James 2000 Bible
...you, O LORD, are our father, our redeemer; your name is from everlasting.

American King James
Version
...you, O LORD, are our father, our redeemer; your name is from everlasting.

American Standard Version
.... thou, O Jehovah, art our
Father; our Redeemer from
everlasting is thy name.

Douay-Rheims Bible
....thou, O Lord, art our
father, our redeemer, from
everlasting is thy name.

Darby Bible Translation
...thou, Jehovah, art our
Father; our Redeemer, from
everlasting, is thy name.


Webster's Bible Translation
......thou, O LORD, art our
father, our Redeemer; thy
name is from everlasting.

From the versions above, can you explain ur view on the other name of God in that verse?

Thought you said mordern translations "dnt" use the name "jehovah" , you are now say "if ", Bros let's be certain , are mordern english translations using "jehovah as the name of God ? Yes or no or I dnt know.

Oga , I told you I dnt have the ability to know the heart of an individual, that I can't determine what reward awaits anyone,I can't judge, you are now going to t. Russell who is just another man like you and me. Sir I dnt know what will happen to him, I dnt know him personaly and I'm not required to.

You guys are verry funny.
You claim the book is adulterated
you claim the book is not correct

Yet you keep trying to associate urself with the book at any giving opportunity.

You see the word brothers, and you quickly remember the closeness of Isaac and Ishmael, over 400 years ago and hundreds of generations after!, I fear u o.

Read verse 2, 7 and 15 and tell everyone what you think brothers mean there , then use it to explain verse 18.

Imagine, so you guys have now accepted the songs of Solomon as an inspired book cus you find a hebrew word that is similar to an Arabic name, even when you guys know that the meaning of that word in hebrew is different in Arabic !
Una dey try !

[quote author=Empiree post=33001796][/quote]The first part of ur reply had the hairs at the back of my neck standing up, I'm trully sorry if I've offended you.
As to my questions , ill ask another Muslim far far away from my body

Empiree:
Perhaps, you need to take a little more time to review her posts and see that many nonsense she posted, lots of them are given answers. That will be proper if indeed you truly worship your god. I know there lots of Christians that have no clue what's in the bible. Should I compile bunch of extreme verses from Bibles and paste them?. You think i have time for that?. I am sure if i do that some Christians will try to give explanation for them. Common sense should always prevail. If ifean truly believes Christianity is the way, she should care less about Islam.

Truth always stands clear from falsehood. Ifeann is so in-secured. That's why she's here and there. Just click on her profile.

You can check these out.

Beware Of Christians (evangelism) And Their Use Of Deceptions
https://www.nairaland.com/2189813/beware-christians-evangelism-use-deceptions

Top Ten Signs You're A Fundamentalist Christian
https://www.nairaland.com/2153126/top-ten-signs-youre-fundamentalist


Muslims, Why Did You Fail To Probe This?
https://www.nairaland.com/2260353/muslims-why-did-fail-probe#down

Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This?
https://www.nairaland.com/2257912/jesus-naive-said

Differences Between The One True God And The Islamic Allah
https://www.nairaland.com/2256249/differences-between-one-true-god

Islam's most powerful weapon the " Al Taqiyyah
https://www.nairaland.com/2172662/islams-most-powerful-weapon-al

Simple Questions
https://www.nairaland.com/2250628/simple-questions

Truth Not Tarqiyyah Is What Islam Preahces
https://www.nairaland.com/2259687/truth-not-tarqiyyah-what-islam

Jesus, son of man?
https://www.nairaland.com/2251469/jesus-son-man-read

Did Jesus Died For Our Sin? Which Sin? Ifeann Should Please Come In
https://www.nairaland.com/2235053/did-jesus-died-sin-which

Islamic Allah's Messenger Claims Allah Wrote The Bible
https://www.nairaland.com/2239077/islamic-allahs-messenger-claims-allah

More Headache For Trinitarians!(NON-CHRISTIANS ARE NOT INVITED)
https://www.nairaland.com/2252055/more-headache-trinitarians-non-christians-not

For Muslims Who Believe The Bible Is Corrupt
https://www.nairaland.com/2248120/muslims-believe-bible-corrupt

Let's Take A Look At Slavery As Contained In Bible Verses
https://www.nairaland.com/2161012/lets-take-look-slavery-contained

Interesting Teachings You Can Learn From The Quran
https://www.nairaland.com/2246596/interesting-teachings-learn-quran

Do Qur'an Says Jesus Has Died?! Explanation Of The Word "Tawafii"
https://www.nairaland.com/2236722/quran-says-jesus-died-explanation

Radical Muslims Kill Over 100 Muslims At Mosques In Sanaa, ..what Else Is New
https://www.nairaland.com/2207449/radical-muslims-kill-over-100

Below, Bible was completely trashed.

Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible?
https://www.nairaland.com/2172133/question-did-jesus-read-bible

Most of these threads are opened by christians. Muslims also tackled them as they possibly could.


As for you, johnydon22, honestly, there is no need to try to convince anyone anymore. Even some kids today know that Western media, Jewish an christian islamophobia enterprise would do anything to whitewash.

This ur posts just butress my points earlier.

Instead of the thread being a place where some ones learns some truth , it quickly Turns to a place full of counter attack, counter accusation and abuse, and after while it gets moved to section you can't comment in.

Why does the bible come in during Islamic discussion. Is to butress the fact that the bible potray violence just as the quran?
Or to say the qoran does not portray violence.?

Why do you qoute the bible anyway, since you say the scripture is corrupted?

Are the verses you quoted from the original words that allah gave to the isrealites before some other parts become adterated ?

Emusan:
That's the truth which your organization even knew about.



I used many translation KJV is among them but I've said earlier that scholars have criticised the usage of Jehovah in KJV.



Yes! but God doesn't bother about that because;
1. God has already given believers a new name to call upon for salvation.
2. God has more than one name.



You can only find it in the oldest translation.



You can still say yes when evidence has been given to you that Jehovah is an inaccurate name for Divine name.



You should know, because the person who FORMED that name which is now the main pillar of your organization must have received it by revelation and his work must have made him to be part of the holy ones and little flocks.

Then this render your organization claim as only people who belong to your organization as true Christians useless.

So to everyone , when reading the bible and come accross the name "jehovah" pls cancel it as those translators where wrong o
The proper name in english is _____, emusan pls help fill the gap.


Does the traslation(s) u use add the word "jehovah" to its translations ?

Interesting , so God has more than one name , ill like to know those other names pls , with its bible location .

are you saying that modern translations do not use the name jehovah?

Oga, I no know who they go heaven or who dey stay earth, being a member of the organization is not a direct criteria for evalasting life.
Doing good work is not a criteria for evalasting life, doing good work to the end is . I dnt know how the man lived his life to the end.

tayoccu:
mega games and Zoe's

Correct!

Did not really like sega, prefered nitendo

How those arcade games centers on Allen and opposite lagos country club collected all my pocket Money ! Chai !

true2god:
@ Empiree, are you saying that all the quranic verses quoted are false or all taken out of context? The sooner you agree that Quran is essentially an anti-jewish and anti-christian hate-book, the better. This is a fact that is known to an average arab-muslim but are denied by African\Nigerian muslims.

Mohammed, in the quran, attacked and cursed christians in many verses and you are fully aware, unless you are ignorant or deliberately lying about that, that is not to say that there are no few verses that are pro-Jewish and pro-christian (and had been abrogated).

So you accusing christians that are pointing out the flaws in your religion is ridiculous because your quranic and mohammed started the 'bashing'. We are not bashing Islam but only pointing out the fact that mohammed is a false prophet, going by his deeds and actions (and the deeds of the first caliph, Abkr, which led to the first civil war bw the sunnis and the shia).

And I was hoping he was gonna prove you wrong! Well.... Ill wait for a while to see if there reply to ur post is good enough and contains enough prove for me to stop thinking that you are right