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You just scored a huge own goal!

ImaIma1:
Assimilating is something that has evaded you obviously. Or you just allow wanting to be right block your ability to assimilate properly.

Let's end this unproductive conversation. Have a good night

Reading doesn't appear to be a great hobby of yours, lady.

If it were, you would possibly have found out that I had previously addressed every part of OP's subject in a different comment - long before you nosed into mentioning my monicker.

ImaIma1:
Uncle.

There were other factors she mentioned aside distance.

That's my point..

ImaIma1:
The bolded is the part by picked out. Did you not see the part where she said she has high blood pressure and she submitted her docs report?

Aunty,

That's my daily responsibility - and if you had read the entire thread before jumping to write at me, you might have found your answers.

If a person can work at school A, there can be no viable excuse for being unable to work at school B - except hospitalization. However, in this instance , she was found in the old posting on Monday morning. If a 32-year career civil servant is unable to continue working for genuine health reasons, such person should genuinely retire.

Her home isn't a hospital anyway.

To be successful in Nigeria, we simply need to eschew negative energy and deceit really.

[quote author=jack00000 post=86543737][/quote]I have written enough today. I possibly have nothing more to prove.

If my expressions were error-prone or suboptimal, it would have been pretty apparent by now.

Run off with this, lad.

'too hard'

'When you try too hard, it shows and unfortunately it seems desperate. Trying too hard usually stems from a childhood where your efforts were either not rewarded or were not regarded as ever good enough, where you perceived yourself to be undervalued or unappreciated.'

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/handy-hints-humans/201510/do-you-try-too-hard%3famp

We aren't likely to be mates, okay?

RPirez:
OK, Prof. Wole Soyinka!

Only too hard!

Guess what, it isn't my interest to engage in a worthless debate with a faceless identity. So I'm simply happy to ignore trolls.

Wrong grammar indeed

Meanwhile, don't go burst an artery up there o

RPirez:
I can see your vague mentality. You're trying so hard to prove say you sabi.

BTW... "Too hard" is wrong grammar, Boss. It's "So hard".

Thanks

You are trying too hard to besmirch. If you only read better, you'll find your answers.

RPirez:
It shows your poor grammar / writing technique. You'll make a bad journalist or blogger. We already have too many poor ones, abeg.

RPirez:
@bolded.

You just accused the OP of poor grammar while you're also guilty. What tha hell did you write up there @bolded?

Proximity

Ki leleyi nso bayi?

Because I didn't write your preferred 'proximity to residence' and chose a longer but more commonly used synonymous expression?

How about a round of applause?

HitSong:
Shut up!
It's never a typo but ignorance and lack of knowledge...
No one is perfect!

cutefy:
Sir, with due respect, you've got no point here. Forget about the grammar, becos that's not the message. Set aside his grammar and deal with the message. The op is in pains so leave him alone if you have nothing reasonable to say.
Just imagine if it's your mum who was treated this way, how would u have felt?

Hello Cutefy.

I'll try to address the subject now.

1. OP's Mum has been transferred (as a Head Teacher) from Primary School Y to Primary School Z.


2. Mama OP and OP wish to reject the transfer for three reasons.

A. The new school is a mega school with more staff, apparently more pupils and 3 large arms/subsects.

With that situation of greater number of personnel, there's bound to be greater friction between human beings working or schooling there. It is an inherent part of human nature.

B. School B is far from OP & Mama OP's residence.

C. Mama OP is a known hypertensive individual

Now, let's address 1, 2(a), 2(b) & 2(c) without allowing emotions to ride our judgement.

1. For a civil servant of 32 years working history it isn't strange to be posted from a smaller place / unit to a bigger responsibility, irrespective of location.

It isn't also unusual, for example, for the transfer to be from a local government office to one in the State Capital, for example, in a vertical ascendancy that comes with increased years of service or from a smaller establishment to a bigger one. That's quite common.

2(a) I see the above playing out here - except that it is from a smaller school within a local government to a hybrid primary school arrangement within the same local government while retaining her position as a Head Teacher.

2(b) The location of a civil servant's transfer is ENTIRELY at the behest of the administrative staff and leadership of the Civil Service (Teaching Service Commission/ SUPEB in this case) .

One of the factors that has messed up education at the primary and secondary school level in Nigeria is that many teachers are too comfortable in a station/school. They become 'principalities' even as mid-level staff and challenge superior authority at will, be it Principal or anyone else from the Ministry.

I am not suggesting that such is the situation here. I am only being quite generic.

2(c). Indeed, I manage Hypertension professionally as a part of my daily responsibilities and I can confirm to OP that a significant percentage of post-menopausal black women have something known as Primary Hypertension or Idiopathic HTN, whichever you pick. Most women with a 32 year career around here are post menopausal i.e above 52 years of age. What's my point? Most teachers of OP's Mum's age - whether male or female really - are battling with one chronic disease or the other: Hypertension, Arthritis, Diabetes etc.

As long as a person is capable of remaining in thee service and working daily until the transfer, it would otherwise be a very weak ground to reject a statutory transfer on such ground as Hypertension, unfortunately.

I hope this helps.

Cheers.


Cc @TradeCorner , @OlawaleBammie

cutefy:
Sir, with due respect, you've got no point here. Forget about the grammar, becos that's not the message. Set aside his grammar and deal with the message. The op is in pains so leave him alone if you have nothing reasonable to say.
Just imagine if it's your mum who was treated this way, how would u have felt?

Hello Cutefy.

I'll try to address the subject now.

1. OP's Mum has been transferred (as a Head Teacher) from Primary School A to Primary School B.

2. Mama OP and OP wish to reject the transfer for three reasons.

A. The new school is a mega school with more staff, apparently more pupils and 3 large arms/subsects.

With that situation of greater number of personnel, there's bound to be greater friction between human beings working or schooling there. It is an inherent part of human nature.

B. School B is far from OP & Mama OP's residence.

C. Mama OP is a known hypertensive individual

Now, let's address 1, 2(a), 2(b) & 2(c) without allowing emotions to ride our judgement.

1. For a civil servant of 32 years working history it isn't strange to be posted from a smaller place / unit to a bigger responsibility, irrespective of location.

It isn't also unusual, for example, for the transfer to be from a local government office to one in the State Capital, for example, in a vertical ascendancy that comes with increased years of service or from a smaller establishment to a bigger one. That's quite common.

2(a) I see the above playing out here - except tar it is from a smaller school within a local government to a hybrid primary school arrangement within the same local government while retaining her position as a Head Teacher.

2(b) The location of a civil servant's transfer is ENTIRELY at the behest of the adminstrative staff and leadership of the Civil Service (Teaching Service Commission/ SUPEB in this case) .

One of the factors that has messed up education at the primary and secondary school level in Nigeria is that many teachers are too comfortable in a station/school. They become 'principalities' even as mid-level staff and challenge superior authority at will, be it Principal or anyone else from the Ministry.

I am not suggesting that such is the situation here. I am only being quite generic.

2(c). Indeed, I manage Hypertension professionally as a part of my daily responsibilities and I can confirm to OP that a significant percentage of post-menopausal black women have something known as Primary Hypertension or Idiopathic HTN, whichever you pick. Most women with a 32 year career around here are post menopausal i.e above 52 years of age. What's my point? Most teachers of OP's Mum's age - whether male or female really - are battling with one chronic disease or the other: Hypertension, Arthritis, Diabetes etc.

As long as a person is capable of remaining in thee service and working daily until the transfer, it would otherwise be a very weak ground to reject a statutory transfer on such ground as Hypertension, unfortunately.

I hope this helps.

Cheers.

Grab a bottle of whatever you drink to cool your nerves.

Life isn't that hard

Originalsly:
Her grammar is a huge concern to whom? Readers?...you?

What should concern you is your ignorance on the purpose of this forum. Is it you are suffering from early signs of dementia?... that you are not aware you are no longer in a classroom but in a public forum?....and because her mother is the best teacher she has known it follows that her English must be impeccable? Is this how you reason? Something is wrong with you.

@ topic.... if your mother is transferred....and it's within the power of those in charge to do so... then there is not much she can do about it. She is wrong to not take up the position.... not for the excuses been given... none will wash. She can immediately seek to be transferred to other locations or do so as soon as one is available. But her way will only bring her trouble... let her leave out the gossips.

Lekison:
you claim to be learned yet you don't know how to correct people online, It's shame that people like u have access to phone and Internet.


As for the OP, It will be better if your mum involve higher authorities ....May God see her through.

No vex.

We all learn daily, I guess.

There were significant areas of concern in the originating piece. Nothing is more depressing than the vitiation of the educational system in Nigeria - at least for me.

OP's post and the situation presented screamed all that quite loudly. It might not have been particularly heartwarming to OP to receive my initial critical feedback, which was the first half of my response.

However, it is undeniable that it does address matters of education in Nigeria, especially at its most basic or elementary level, where the matter of interest itself lies.

In the end, I did point OP in the right direction to resolve the conflict. Win-win for everyone, after all.

Ijaycool:
I admire how you quickly forgave your trespasses, but you were not kind enough to forgive the OPs...
Humans.
Please remove the log in your eyes so you can see clearly to remove the spike in your neighbor's eyes.

Chill hun.

Those weren't 'trespasses' as it were. Twas simply a situation of a missing word and another missing letter in a multiple paragraph missive that would have told of a multitasking respondent.

Cheers.

Oops!

It's quite easy to identify errors. A closer look would probably tell you those were typo errors.

A missing letter 'n' somewhere and another missing word 'have' elsewhere.

Come on!

I don't live on Nairaland and certainly didn't
exactly proofread. C'mon! That reply was in a jiffy.

Regardless, you'll possibly have realised, had you been attentive, that the most viable ways to resolve OP's worries were indeed preferred by me - devoid of emotions or sentiments.

In dealing with a crisis, sympathy or finger-pointing leads nowhere.

Ijaycool:
Hmmm Mr Corrector of English, Course Rep of the English High Academy, you see your own mistakes?
Awon Prof.
Somebody dey wahala, you dey here dey grind grammar.
A excuse ko...

Meanwhile it's heartbreaking how we trivialize people's problem. I swear

Something is really wrong somewhere.

Aside that this story is from one perspective, another huge concern is the grammar: Lexis, structure, tenses, construction.

Mum is the best teacher you know. She is a primary school teacher. That suggests she teaches at the elementary level where one of the core subjects is English language.

I'm afraid you may just have 'fallen hand' very badly - in the Nigerian lingua - and you have not covered so much in glory, at least to buttress your best teacher assertion.

As to the matter at hand, there are established ways in the civil service to resolve disputes: Teaching Service Commission, Civil Service Commission, and at the extreme, the National Industrial Court.

However, excuses like distance of assignment from residence shouldn't arise, really. It isn't an excuse to be officially considered at all in that line of responsibility. If anything at all, it should be lobbied for, under the table, and not presented as a major issue.

Best wishes.

WildChild00:
Dr Tee is that not your name? Just a quick question, are you the original thread owner? Why are you placing source on another man's thread? Did he ask you to do so on his behalf?

You need to be doubled up this New Year!

Wild Child?

Sorry.

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WildChild00:
Open your own thread, traffic blogger

In this new year, eh?
No vex.

In the real world, people include references when they state researched data or facts. That's what I did. I have no connections to the link.

You need some air, and some love.
I gift them to you in the New Year.
Peace.

It is alleged that Chaka Chaka's visa was actually cancelled because "according to other media sources the deportation took place because Yvonne publicly supported opposition leader Bobi Wine."

https://m.channel24.co.za/Music/News/yvonne-chaka-chaka-deported-from-uganda-ahead-of-scheduled-performance-20191231

IntrovertedK:
is that ilesha-Akure road that good? And i do you know if Ife-Ilesha is also good or any alternative route from Ibadan that will link to Ilesha-Akure? That Ife-Ondo road is somehow, too many hills and mountain climbing though the road is smooth but the hills in between from Ife-Ondo is something else and i think i'll really prefer some other roads that have lesser or no hill climbing. I always travel home at dawn because of the heavy vehicles, they lose control often driving on that hilly road.

The Akure-Ilesha road is almost as good as the Umaru Yaradua road in Abuja, except that it is a single lane road.

That said, the Ondo-Ife road is so bad that nobody can safely drive more than 100kmph for 7 continuous minutes. The asphalt is washed out in so many places that the wavy road (which is what you've described as mountaneous) is the least of the problems.

Tolexander:
Kudos to the FG for remembering this road, most especially Ibadan-Ife road.

Time to go for route surveying

.

Thank you Jesus!

The Ilesha-Akure part was said to have been f funded directly by the World Bank during GEJ's headship. It is single carriage but it is one of the best express roads to drive in South West Nigeria.

Save for the road bumps by some villages on the road, it is almost heavenly to drive on that road!

Can't wait to see the entire Akure-Ibadan stretch looking that good!

Finally, the government should consider building new roads - and railways, really.

Very importantly, as it is nearly half the launch price if its Camon 11 predecessor, how does Camon 12 compare with the Camon 11?

It appears the ROM, RAM & Internal storage capacity are similar.

Any significant upgrades, please? Camera or something?

From Moses Simon's corner?

M.Simon must be from Akwa Ibom too!

Akwa Ibom Ayaya!

efavour:
Well, This judge actually wants fame, he knew they are celebrity and I thinks he also infused emotion on this judgement. No court or judge can force two people to remain married against their will. Meanwhile irreconcilable differences is used at no fault divorce, nobody has to prove anything, it means we no wan do again. It's not his or her fault but we are not compatible. Anywhere, even in contested divorce, once the couple could not reconcile during the time that was given to them , the marriage is dissolved even if one party is not in agreement. But by law, the judge has to seek ways to salvage it and if he cannot within the stipulated time, dissolve it. They married in customary court to, lilian parents should first of all return the bride proce to ubi village or take it to the customary court if ubi no accept it. High court or low court no fit enter. Judge wants to be in the news,

First question: Are you a lawyer?

If you are, I'll withdraw from further discussions. I don't argue with lawyers. They make money from arguments.

If you aren't, we may converse.

Irrespective, the judge wants to be in the news? For what reason? When did judges start issuing judgements to get popular?

Who is the most popular Judge in Nigeria in that regard? What would the Judge use the popularity for? Business? Social media relevance?

When did the Bench become that?

I disagree with that presumption of yours.

lexyman:
Football has gone beyond what this man thinks ... if you understand the science of the game ... he will know that not having a tactics is a tactic on his own ... there is so much “organization in disorganization” ...we grind result where it is necessary .. we have won all our important matches recently except the one we play with the Mad boys ... believe me that team will beat any team at the moment cos they are fired up already .

Adelabu should go and rest ... with time this team we gel and play decent football ... 95% of African team plays disorganized football and and if SE play in an organized way to disorganized their disorganization ���� we will end up losing it’s better for us to combine disorganization and organization style of football .

I can’t blame this team much cos it’s not built around any player , so it is easy to see them as unorganized side .

One of our pattern lately ;we pass the ball around and wait till one of our attacker make a run forward ... they give him the ball to do what ever he can do to achieve something ....formerly our traditional pattern is to operate from the wings cross the ball in from the wings and any of our player can make use of their head ...the likes of Adepoju , Pappilo and Amunike ...and that is typical style of the super EAgles , that style is easy to stop just stop the wingers and automatically it means you have stopped the entire team .. their is more to movement pattern now and ... Eg . Chukwueze movement caused the Cameroonian defenders to run after him ... forgetting their primary assignment that leads to our goal ... is that not a tactic?

Using our wing back to attack and the midfielders ,moving backword to protect their position is also not a tactic ?

What the Supers Eagles need at the moment is more tactical approach to game and ‘this require more of scientific approach .

Eg :players movement pattern
Positional play .
Mental strength .
And ability to read the game very well .


The tactical aspect of it will be done by the coach ...

Eg . Formation change
.... tactical changes / bringing in tall player to replace a short one . Etc

Switching formation as the game progresses

Slowing down game tempo

Crowding the midfield

Spreading to the wings ...

And lastly their is software application to each and every match now it’s a shame our coaches are not using it and maybe them Dey use am we no Dey see am �. and it has to do with science of the game combined with tactical approach ... cos the data u receive on your screen is what determines what and what should be done to counter every move and approach of the opposing team ...

Also u can manage the strength of payers and the team .

Cos it’s easy to know the player that is not combing the grasses around�


Adelabu should go and rest not having a pattern at the Afcon level is the solution to Afcon competition ...

You head is there! Gbayi!

You nailed it all. Excellently. I would love to speak with you.


One small part though, trust that the Nigerian National Team has that software - yes they do.

I saw the Egyptian staff using it, not during match o - but well before matches. It requires 10 hours to analyse one single game. Every single player, every single move of every team. I don't know how or who does it for Nigeria - but I know they have it.

las las, a poor and disjointed Bafana beat them plus their 75,000 supporters. You need to see that stadium. It is like playing against a team in Hell Fire. Egypt wears red. The fans wear red. The stadium is like a huge cauldron of excavated earth. So you can imagine that South Africa, for all the organisation and resourcefulness of the hosting Egyptians, literally picked the chestnut out of the Egyptian fire.

That's the only thing you possibly missed. Let the Eagles fumble and wobble if they must, but heck, they are marching - or flying - on. Nothing unites this country greater than football, nothing!

Hey! Folks blaming the Judge do not understand what happens in Courts.

The Court is a place for legal matters - not emotions - and everything is done in the open, and can get into the media.

A Judge can refuse to dissolve a marriage even if the couples, both members of the marriage, agree to a divorce.

You've got to prove irreconcilable differences in court.

So for celebrities who are married by the Marriage Act, and whose breakup and divorce matters would get to the Courts (and social media!), where information revealed there is like being in the open market square and washing dirty linen, it is not like social media trials at all.

The couple who want separation have to really to convince a Judge that the differences are indeed irreconcilable, it can be very difficult to be honest and plain and not want to tarnish the image of the other party but leaving the real sleaze out - and still get a divorce when there is no hatred between the couple who simply want a legal separation.

The Judge would tell the couple and their lawyers that S/He was not there when they were loving each other and having fun to the extent of marriage and children - and s/he isn't convinced that the separation is irreconcilable. Oya, alele, go back home to continue your love and don't put your divorce on my head/name.

It is like Pilate washing his hands off the crucifixion of Jesus. It is difficult for people who don't work around the courts or visit it regularly to understand these things. To put it clearly, if two people in marriage do not exemplify extremely negative emotions towards each other, it is almost impossible to get a divorce before a Judge. For every friendliness the court sees, it would be willing to explore it and restore the marriage.

Judges are more interested in reconciliation of marriages than divorce. Marriage isn't for kids or people who cannot deal with extreme issues and keep the evidence if you ever want to get a divorce. Now, that is very difficult, because only a very wicked person can stay in a marriage and be keeping evidence of abuse against his/her wife/husband - so you see, except where there are clearly established cases of infidelity or threat to life or something - it is very difficult to honestly prove a case for divorce in court.

So yes, the next time you read something about proceeding from divorce cases, please know that in most cases, the issues are exaggerated so as to make the Judge get convinced.


N.B: Note that I didn't say 'all cases'

AntiBalaka:
There are reasons we have laws, law enforcement, courts and prisons. There is no excuse for criminal behaviour.

This is why we are such a lawless country because criminals have gone brazen because they never ever get to face the music.

Also, the civil service ought to be a place of merit and not a welfare scheme.

The individual in question has shown he is not fit for such engagement.

Or are you not aware that would be federal employees are expected to pass and submit a medical and Psychiatric evaluation report signed by a qualified state employed Doctor as a prerequisite in gaining full employment?

If he is mad then sack him from his position. How can you still retain a confirmed clinically insane person within your organisation?

On the last note, let me reiterate what I said above: The Federal govt should decide on whether it wants to run an effective civil service or a welfare scheme because as it is now, the civil service is filled to the brim with highly unemployable individuals.

There is a popular maxim at the upper echelon of the estate. I learnt it recently. It is 'make haste slowly'.

If a medical evaluation is to be done on every civil servant in Nigeria, and professionally too - as good as it is done in the best climes globally - first, we would have very inadequate qualified experts to conducts the necessary tests. There are less than 400 Certified Medical Psychiatrists in the whole of Nigeria - for 167 - 210 million souls. Let's say 100 million of those are above the age of 18, and less than 65 - it means 1Psychiatrist to 250,000 possible workers in the civil service, organised private sector and informal sector all combined.

Looking at that, you understand the 'make haste slowly'.

I put this to you, 1 out of 2 Nigerians on the streets that you see daily has a mental health challenge. You may want to check the WHO definition of Health to understand. I would reproduce it below:

"a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity."

After that, assuming that we would import the medical staff - at what cost to the country for this 'experiment'? - we would end up having less than 10%, maybe 5% or 0.01% of that WHO definition, which almost everyone living in Lagos State would fail, for example as the stress levels there is unbelievable, how do we proceed?

I hope the 'make haste slowly' subject is beginning to settle in. I agree with you, by the way, about upholding super high standards in the workforce, but claps are done with 2 hands, not one. To get the best, you must offer the best - and must have the capacity to offer what obtains in the best societies where employees and employers demand and give the very best in a highly organised system.

Where that is compromised, there is a little problem - and 'haste' must now be made quite slowly.

Remember I wrote about the state of our judiciary and correction facilities, which you didn't address. I hope you would attend to them. Insure persons are usually very desperate and unpredictable - and that's the stuff of maniacs, the menace we are currently dealing with - in Nigeria's insurgency.

AntiBalaka:
Don't agree.

He has shown that he is not have both the mental acumen and balance to be occupying any paid position.

He should be dismissed on medical grounds and for being an autistic imbec!le.

He has shown that he believes in the man know man syndrome something which we can blame Buhari for taking to new levels with his gross nepotism and ethnic favoritism.

You do know he is from Katsina state and a fulani as well? Which will lead me to believe he got his appointment through the back door and not on merit and has been getting promotions and favours ever since with same nepotism.

Excellent.

This is exactly my point. Now, let us agree with you.

Let's dismiss the man. We'll all continue our lives without him thereafter, right?

Okay. What happens to him, his exposure, education, family? How does he fit into the society? How might he feed himself, his family and social dependants?

Have we considered the fact that suicide is the second leading cause of death amongst citizens less than 45 in the USA? Do we care if he tows that path?

Or if he goes aggressive and violent - or malevolent after dismissal? Have we considered the Lawrence Anini story, how the 26 year old dare-devil criminal developed from ill-treatment by the authorities?

Do we recall that after the amnesty programme, militancy has hugely reduced in the South South? Have you been to the Nigerian Prisons before? I have - on work related duty. 90% of the inmates are awaiting trial and are kept in the most dehumanizing conditions. It is better to be a condemned criminal in the Nigerian prison than to be Awaiting Trial, I kid not.

You postulations are right, but we must look at the bigger picture. I watched Ozekhome's kidnapping experience on YouTube yesterday and it because even clearer. It is the reason for my original comment.

Nigeria needs to use the hammer a little less often - and show some more empathy for citizens. There is enough stress in the Nigerian society already. We must be careful, now, not to sleep-walk ourselves into more instability. Almost anyone is being kidnapped in Nigeria today, and anywhere in the country. The insecurity is alarming. Firing a man who was apparently duped into making an erroneous decision would only affect us all, unfortunately, on the medium term to long run...

I so submit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI4f8R9EFPI

AntiBalaka:
Somebody that yahoo boys don chop so tey him sense loss?

Intelligent or heavy maga.

No make dem dupe you ooh, or else you go para like this one.

That's another angle to the whole narrative. It appears that in this case, the gentleman is a victim of fraud - which has now put him in trouble with his employers.

It is a situation that requires more Care and empathy than ridicule, heavy punishment or shaming.

He is the ultimate victim here.

The sad part is that this is where the story would end. Somewhere down the line, he would be treated to disciplinary action by the organization.

This is the mistake we often make as a people. The gentleman possibly needs a mental health review, yes, but thereafter, he needs to be shown love and care.

This is a part of our existence as a people that we have lost, possibly to overpopulation which developed an overbearing callous mentality amongst us, or something worse.

A man who goes the length of dressing up in a new and higher rank, travelling that distance to assume an office (albeit illegitimately) possibly needs more help than punishment. He is an intelligent person who has only channeled his abilities wrongfully.

I hope he gets what he needs.

Born2Breed:
Pay a visit to Ogwa in Edo State. How they do it, me I don't know, its like a profession in that town.

They fix any broken bone and if they can't fix it, no hospital can.

It brings us to the statistics. Statistics show, for example, and it is scientifically established, that the global headquarters of multiple pregnancy is a town in South West Nigeria and somewhere in India.

Statistics show that the largest collection of fruit bats in West Africa, if not globally, may be in the Obafemi Awolowo University in Ife.

Everything that is to be proven must be done by providing STATISTICS. Not unproven claims.