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Janosky:
Emusan LYING WAILER "blessed" with poor comprehension skills.

JaNosense! The master of delusional

The points that Watchtower link discussed about, have nothing to worry your FALSE claims on this forum.

Which false claims did I make?

Let's start from there.

There is difference between unborn foetus & an infant.

But both are already HUMAN!

Can you see that you're the real wailier and lying liar hallgoer miscreant like your father the Devil?

The Bible does not say anything about resurrection of the unborn (foetus) that died in the womb or by miscarriage.

The link proves that the unborn are ALREADY HUMAN.

As regards this thread, heaven is not a home for dead infants and toddlers, but the grave.

But it's a home for your gods

However,JEHOVAH will raise to life the dead infants & toddlers born to his Servants, John 5:28 cover them.

But Watchtower claimed they don't KNOW.

JaNosense has lost in ONE line of thought

Aemmyjah:
He was speaking about when God judges the earth. At thst time, Jehovah will bring salvation to his own people.

Then you don't need to provide that Watchtower link.

I don't know why you keep wailing over the outcome for babies as if you were the one that created them.

Were you the one who created others before you wailed and pass your judgement on them? Hypocrite!

Jehovah can give and he can destroy.

So you know this.

All his judgment are righteous. We seen that regarding the great flood, the death of the firstborns in Egypt, Sodom and Gomorrah...

Absolutely!

Some brothers who lost their infants have expressed hope they'll see them again.

Yet your organisation claimed THEY DON'T KNOW. This thrown your lie lie ONE LINE OF THOUGHT in the mud

It's better we leave that to God to worry about.

But you couldn't leave others to God to worry about, hypocrite!

The most important thing is for us to get to the promised new world and the resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous will begin during the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ.

The most important thing is about this thread not your delusion.

Do new born babies go to heaven when they die?

There are still details we don't know.

God's word from man's fall to salvation to reign with Christ has been concluded and documented, claiming you don't know some details is the lies your organisation is using to deceive you through LIGHT GETTING BRIGHTER nonsense.

You too never said anything significant but to mention your other moniker and be wailing.

I've done that in previous thread when I even gave you and your deluded brothers Bible study using Watchtower articles.

Just that you're too blind to see.

Covetous man that is still mad over another man's wife...

Where did you get this from?

Well, I respect Max so much. I look forward to reading his comments and how he answers question and I use them to impress myself and my ministry cos he has sound reasoning. I always wish to see him and respect him pass my own dad. Still, he remains my brother.

Your cup of coffee

You yourself are not reasonable.

At least I'm more reasonable than you.

It is greed for someone's wife that is worrying you

Again, where did you get this from?

achorladey:
You see how that nails your madness and insanities peddling on nairaland.

Your one line of thought you boast and brag about packed into lying and manipulated rains needs resolution and resolving


He didn't ask for your madness and insanities peddling explanation to remove your head from what we know don't exist in your midst

See this painful statement from him to his fellow brother "Obviously you don't like hurting the feelings of others even though they are not members of the house of faith."

The other deluded brother saw through his lies and disagreement, he just drop a Watchtower link for him

MaxInDHouse:
That's what Jesus taught us, we must not sleep until the difference in our line of thought is resolved:

So you agree there's nothing like ONE LINE OF THOUGHT again

as long as there is disagreement in thought regarding judgment then we aren't on the same page that's what will leads to disfellowship. 2John 10-11

So who will disfellowship who now?

Will you disfellowship Watchtower now or Watchtower will disfellowship you?

because Watchtower claimed they don't know but you already claimed you know which means you're never in agreement with Watchtower nor Watchtower is in agreement with you.

MaxInDHouse:
Obviously you don't like hurting the feelings of others even though they are not members of the house of faith.
Well this is what God's word said through it's study:

*During the days of Noah it was only Noah that was noticed out of all those on the surface of the earth and when it's time to destroy all those dwelling on the planet only Noah was saved along with his children.

*When God wanted to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah only Lot was noticed and so Lot along with his children were spared.

*When the angel of death killed all the firstborn in Egypt only the Israelites along with their children were saved.

*When God destroyed Jericho only Rahab along with her family was spared.

*When God ordered the destruction of Amalek all those living their along with all their babies were asked to be destroyed.

God's word said about believers:
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified in relation to his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified in relation to the brother; otherwise, your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. 1Corinthians 7:14

So my brother the only children that will be remembered during resurrection are those born to God's servants and that's simply because God promised that He will remove all tears from our eyes therefore our children whom we have named and loved will be returned to us in the day of resurrection but as for evildoers all their memories including their children will be forgotten in the grave! Psalms 9:17

That's the bitter truth!

"One line of thought" has been bursted again

Cc:
Achorladey

Iagos:
You're indirectly saying the fourth commandment does not matter?

You need to understand that, Christ is the focal point of the Law, the very One who consummates the Law as he brings it to its completion and fulfillment.

That is the reason the scripture says "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes." Romans 10:4

Since Christ became End of the Law, "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith." Galatians 3:24

In foregoing, you'll see the view of the New Testament writers that the Hebrew Scriptures were deliberately designed by God to foreshadow Christ and his Church. The OT Scriptures contained shadows, types, analogies, and copies of spiritual realities that awaited the coming of Christ. OT peoples, places, events and things were deliberately designed to be copies of a far greater spiritual reality, with Christ manifesting that reality through his fulfillment of it.

This was clearly stated in the scripture "Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ." Colossians 2:16-17

Example of Christ consummation in the Bible is the Sabbath Day. See how NT writer put it in Hebrew 4.

[b]"Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For the Gospel came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, As I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter my rest, although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: And God rested on the seventh day from all his works. And again in this passage he said, They shall not enter my rest. Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the Gospel failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, Today, saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted, Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts. For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever HAS ENTERED GOD'S REST has also rested from his works as God did from his. Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience." Hebrews 4:1-11[/b]

As you can see, Sabbath Day is a shadow of the reality of Christ coming to give God's people eternal rest.

That's why Christ Himself said, "And he said to them, ‘The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath; so the Son of man is lord even of the sabbath.’" Mark 2:27-28

MaxInDHouse:
Meaning they know there's no better religion out there otherwise they could have easily left to follow a better performing group!

Rather they fear being shunned by their families and loved ones.

Many exjws attend other churches after leaving.

So stop the lie.

jaephoenix:
You never reply my message on Does god exist?

See the most intelligent one using question mark without asking question

Meanwhile, Is there any rule that says one must reply a message?

Kobojunkie:
There is no such thing as a "Godly Relationship". God washed His hands off marriage in Genesis 3 vs 16

This is Gen 3:16 'Then he said to the woman, “I will sharpen the pain of your pregnancy, and in pain you will give birth. And you will desire to control your husband, but he will rule over you.”

Where did God say He has washed His hands off marriage?

and reiterated in Luke 20 vs 34 - 36 that your marriages/Relationships are of this world and not of the Kingdom of God.

But it doesn't mean God still not have hands in marriage.

So, unless you believe God is a liar and changes His mind to please you, then dead that idea that your relationship was somehow originated from God.

Provide where God said He has washed His hands off marriage from the scripture first.

Then we will know who needs to dead the false idea.

The first and last relationship of that kind was Adam and Eve's and we all know that ended with God completely removing His hands from it all.

Support this with scripture.

Commonsense would be to allow God heal you before you then plunge into marriage and childbearing. If God has yet to heal you as an AS, it would be nothing short of wickedness for you to leave the health of your kids up to chance.

Well said!

Kingsnairaland:
Lol why are they not stable.

because they must defend the indefensible doctrines.

jaephoenix:
I said I didn't hear it the first time. Did it occur to you it may be due to phone volume ish, noisy environment, multitasking etc. You're just quick to jump into conclusions.

The truth is you lied he didn't mentioned Divinity. So accept that first.

Yes he's a dude, any problem?

Yes! The problem is, you think is like a random guy of yours on Nairaland. With that 'DUDE'

Meanwhile, this is a professor who work with a Nobel prize winner for designing MRI.

So any phenomena that is beyond human comprehension is divinity? Are you aware formation of rainfall, lightning etc were all attributed to gods(just like you are attributing this to your own god) before science stepped in to cure us of the ignorance?

So can you produce just one single sperm cell from lab without getting it from a woman?

[quotAnd no, its not beyond me. The specimen in those videos are what we studied in third year med school under Embryology and Genetics(as a course in Human Anatomy).[/quote]But you can't produce the process without getting the first cells from human. Can you?

So it's still beyond your comprehension.

So even though it may look amazing to you, it's just regular stuff for me.

It's still beyond your human comprehension.

If you disagree, produce the first sperm cell and egg cell let them become human.

In fact I had to fast forward much of that video cos I have seen it many times during med school(probably the reason why I didn’t hear the divinity shit you talked about). Thus its not beyond my comprehension. And yes he made a mistake. Please check out embryological developmental errors. This link should help you https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-34294-6

Yet you could ask "Did it occur to you it may be due to phone volume ish, noisy environment, multitasking etc.?"

You're a very dishonest person.

Its obvious you don't understand evolution and embryology.

I do.

Evolution explains how organisms change over time. Meaning takes years, centuries before appreciable changes are noticed.

And sperm cell and egg cell have been doing this BILLIONS TIMES, why there no appreciable changes?

Embryology is the study how a fetus is formed from a spermatozoa and ovum. It occurs less than 9 months. Changes are noticed immediately.

And this process is beyond human comprehension

Evolution isn't meant to explain all of embryology, only some parts. Now humans grow tails while in utero. Is this true or false? And why do you think so? I want you to answer that before I continue.
Thank you. Please don't dodge it. And dont tell me its not related to this debate, because it is. 100%

Even "some parts" is still a lie.

Yet you claim to be guru

How can you say human grow tails?

Anything growth means it's increasing in size.

Caudal eminence isn't growing.

jaephoenix:
Right. Had to watch the video again slower.

So you didn't watch it properly in the first place before you lied that he didn't mention divinity.

Dude said "Its magic, its a mystery, its divinity"

Imagine, he is DUDE to you.

Well, this exposed your first lie.

Now the questions….
Do you notice he said its magic too, and its a mystery, and its divine.

Where is the question?

He did not say its created by any god.

But it's DIVINITY

I guess, you don't understand the meaning of DIVINITY.

He's simply saying the embryology is a marvel.

And beyond any Human comprehension and Divinity.

For those of us in the field that understands it, its not a wonder.

But it's beyond your comprehension.

He also lied when he said the process makes no mistakes.

He didn't lie.

The process of embryo formation is fraught with many mistakes. Some mistakes are fatal, some are not.

Everyone knows this but the point is EVOLUTION can't achieve that process.

If you insist the process is god-driven then you are further indicting your god by saying he's a bumbling old fooool that can't get his shit together

As usual, started throwing insult because of hatred. The point is, evolution can't achieve embryo development.

jaephoenix:
Again point me out to the particular point. I may have missed it

Can you imagine?

Keep clicking on my moniker where I quote you it'll lead you to the point.

MaxInDHouse:
Armageddon is the war of God {Revelations 16:14} and it's angels (spirits) that will fight for Jehovah's Witnesses {Matthew 25:31} he will destroy all none-Witnesses who are ruining the planet with their weapons {Revelations 11:18} by issuing orders to the angels to kill all none Witnesses {Luke 19:27} by then let's see how your weapons is going to save you from the Prince of Peace! 2Kings 19:35

The liar has come again

You claimed Watchtower doesn't teach Armageddon as physical war but spiritual and I've been asking you to provide the link to this new Light teaching but you can't till now.

Now @color you agree that God will destroy people and their WEAPONS, then how will all thousands of NUCLEAR WEAPONS available today (not to even talk of missiles, IDE, chemical weapons e.t.c) will be destroyed without causing great catastrophe to this planet?

You see why you keep adding LITERALLY to that 2 Peter 3:7,10?

Meanwhile, below is still your organisation teachings about Armageddon as a physical war.

We can see ball of fires coming from heaven.

jesusjnr2020:
Lol! You're still imagining things so let me leave you there to keep following the Bible blindly since that's your choice. I have chosen to follow it Christly, so any doctrine, teaching, or ideas in the Bible, that doesn't align with the teachings of Christ would be treated as invalid.

@color - can you list some doctrines, teachings or ideas in the Bible that don't align with the teachings of Jesus Christ?

Kobojunkie:
Again, All you have to do is disprove by way of Scripture that what I made known is of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, God's Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God, and once you do, you pretty much have your questions answered.

By keep repeating your gibberish won't help you.

Are you a child of God?

Have you attained holiness by way of continuous submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments?

Kobojunkie:
All you have to do is disprove by way of Scripture that what I made known is of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, God's Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God, and once you do, you pretty much have your questions answered.

Teachings of Jesus didn't have the question, how many of them are children of God? It's your own question and if you know it's Jesus's teaching, then I put it to you, are you then a child of God?

You said and I quote "According to God, those who are His children are those who have attained holiness by way of continuous submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments" since this is from the scripture, then you shouldn't be afraid to answer the simple question of: Have you attained holiness by way of continuous submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments?

Why are you afraid of these simple questions?

E get why

MaxInDHouse:
It's not the literal earth otherwise that will make God a liar for making a vow and breaking His own vow! Genesis 8:22

The earth here refers to faithless miscreants making up the largest population of the planet!

The day you people will stop using the word "literally" is the day your salvation draws near.

The same 2 Peter 3:10 mentioned the "ELEMENTS" which means it's not about human but the very elements that make up the heavens and the Earth.

"But the day of the Lord will come as unexpectedly as a thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and the very elements themselves will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be found to deserve judgment"


Your own translation put it this way "But Jehovah’s* day+ will come as a thief,+ in which the heavens will pass away+ with a roar,* but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be exposed."

That's why Watchtower teaches that it'll be a miracle for JWs to survive the event.

When you don't even understand your own organisation teachings

MaxInDHouse:
I don't have to respond to the other man he's not interested in God's word.

When he didn't even talk about OTHER MAN in his post, yet you still find a way to brought the OTHER MAN in as the other man isn't interested in God's Word.

So which word does this other man interested in?

Kobojunkie:
Ofcourse there is a why. So, again, disprove any of my claims by way of that spoken of by Jesus Christ Himself in Scripture or move on abeg!

You didn't make any claims in the first place. Rather than turning yourself to Almighty by asking "How many of them are Children of God?"

So are you also a child of God?

By adding this, then you must have also fulfill this part: "According to God, those who are His children are those who have attained holiness by way of continuous submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments"

So, have you attained holiness by way of continuous submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments?

Lastly, you ask "How many of those who claim that God speaks to them are children of God — Holy and acceptable vessels of God?"

So are you a child of God - Holy and acceptable vessel of God?

These are just simple questions that need no further epistle.

Kobojunkie:
Again, disprove any of my claims by way of that spoken of by Jesus Christ Himself in Scripture or move on abeg!

So you couldn't answer any of my questions

E get why

Kobojunkie:
The keyword here is "if". How many of them are Children of God? According to God, those who are His children are those who have attained holiness by way of continuous submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments — God's Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God. It is only the Truth that can set one free from slavery to sin and transform one into a child of God - John 8 vs 31 - 44. How many of those who claim that God speaks to them are children of God — Holy and acceptable vessels of God?

So are you a child of God?

Have you attained holiness by way of continuous submission and obedience to His teachings?

Lastly, do you know the truth?

MaxInDHouse:
Armageddon will destroy only evildoers while the beautiful planet, trees and all the animals are preserved.
That's what Peter meant:

"But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men." 2 Peter 3:7

So only the UNGODLY will be destroyed the planet did nothing evil against God!

You quoted 2 Peter 3:7 you still cherry pick what you quoted

I guess this part "But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire..." is symbolic as usual, right?

This doesn't support your point Oga Ade

MaxInDHouse:
Let me quote God's word for you to consider:
[b]And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground (earth) any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.Genesis 8:21

But Armageddon will happen that will destroy everything except JWs according to your organisation.

chucks185:
you sound like a jehovah witness

JWs are even confused more than him!

MaxInDHouse:
It's easy to quote but to substantiate is your problem.

While your problem is how to reconcile the scriptures.

God created the earth so that humans can live on it {Psalms 115:16} for how many years?

This is Psalm 115:16 is this "The heavens belong to the Lord, but he has given the earth to all humanity."

Is there anything like year specify here?

The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. Psalms 37:29

Psalm 102 came before that of 115 and it has this to say "Long ago you laid the foundation of the earth and made the heavens with your hands. They will perish, but you remain forever; they will wear out like old clothing. You will change them like a garment and discard them. But you are always the same; you will live forever." Psalm 102:25-27

God created man to LIVE FOREVER but along the way man comes short of that glory. Does that mean God is lying? No!

The earth is corrupted and God has said He will destroy it.

God said "But the day of the Lord will come as unexpectedly as a thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and the very elements themselves will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be found to deserve judgment" 2 Peter 3:10

God's word must be fulfilled {Isaiah 55:10-11} his will must stand! Matthew 5:5

Including the new Heavens and Earth.

So calm down and reason it's not gragra!

Do you calm down and reason also?

cornelboy:
On the contrary Jesus spent the next three days unconscious in hell (grave) and God raised him up the third day.

Make this make sense to me.

So Jesus body was UNCONSCIOUS in the grave for three days and this same body was dissolved by God since Jesus can't take it back.

Yet on the other hands God resurrected Jesus.

What did God actually resurrect when nothing is alive in Jesus body and the actual body was dissolved?

After Jesus' resurrection

Your expression sounds like recreation not resurrection.

jesusjnr2020:
I said the Bible is not the Word of God to me

So Bible is whose word?

Do you agree that all scriptures are God's product of inspiration?

but the teachings of Jesus and anything else in the Bible that aligns with it

This is what we called cherry picking.

cornelboy:
God literally won't destroy the planet earth.

If you haven't inserted the word "LITERALLY" how with it sound?

You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free

jaephoenix:
Please can you point out where he said its divinity? Thank you

And you said you have watched the video.

Definitely, either you didn't watch it or you watch it but lie.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ nah only Jehovah's Witnesses be true Christians.
If you want to know i can use the Bible to show you!

He already asked, how are they then the true Christian? Which means he wants to know.

If you're intelligent as you normally claim here, you're not to have said "If you want to know..." again

JWs are the true CURSED AND BASTARDIZED name given by Jehovah

jaephoenix:
The video didn’t say conception to birth is a miracle. It just explains about the complexity involved in it.

You already started your lie from beginning.

Alexander Tsiaras says it's Miracles, Divinity and beyond any Human comprehension.

Stop lying.