₦airaland Forum

MaxInDHouse:
Guy that's common sense!

It's a common sense to you but if it's about Watchtower you won't take it as common sense.

Hypocrite!

He was playing the diplomatic game when his colleague Kumuyi refused to allow that but now that some preachers will come there and members are seeing the difference some will surely follow the new preacher to his church nah.

You're still lying with your common senselessness

Ọmọ this one doesn't need a soothsayers!

I know since it's not Watchtower

MaxInDHouse:
Go and argue with 1Samuel 8:10-18

Post it here.

If you're sure of yourself.

God forbids human government

Then there should not be anything like Governing Body because they are also human government. Agreed!

as for the Governing Body it's Jesus that chose them that is the more reason we believe in 1914 because before that year there has not been such a body after the destruction of Jerusalem in 33 C.E

They are human government.

No long story....Mr storyteller

I know the meaning of HUMAN GOVERNMENT will start having different meaning as it has involved governing body

That's why people from different geographical locations on this planet are submissive to them unlike your human rulers that you vote in vote out of power only for them to use guns in lording over you. The Governing Body never imposed themselves on anyone infact each of us is going to study with them and subject ourselves to them not your own government that you voted and later stage protests against them.

I'm not disputing that the Governing Body isn't a form of government but their government will not have an end because it's divine nobody is coming to vote them out and replace them like your own governments. Daniel 2:44

As for JWs subjecting ourselves to what your government says we are giving Caesar what belongs to him your government can't order us to make choices (voting) their kind we will never do such our government is not from this source {John 18:36} that's why we don't protest against them since we know we never voted them!

Irrelevant

MaxInDHouse:
Chai!
So you guys don't know that each preacher is fishing for costumers?
Of course the invited preachers are taking away his followers after each program nah.

Provide evidence for this.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course the Governing Body are RULERS over those that SUBJECTED themselves to them WILLINGLY that's why their subjects are always happy to have them rule over us. Hebrews 13:17

Good! So the point is settled.

God didn't forbid human RULERSHIP.

Now tell me the government that their subjects are willingly subjecting to their rules without gunpoint and fear of being killed!

Nigeria Government because even you submit to NIGERIA CONSTITUTION.

So just as we willingly call Jesus "Lord" without being threatened with weapons and ready to obey instructions from him we are also doing the same to his anointed brothers obediently without the threat of weapons. Matthew 25:34-46

So who threatened you to submit to Nigeria constitution?

That's the difference between God's chosen (anointed) rulers and worldy governments that you people will vote them and later start crying for replacement.

You will keep shalaye

Ruler is ruler, so not that God forbids rulership.

We know that there's no better performing group than the Governing Body that's why we are obedient to them.

You already agreed that your Governing Body are also human RULER. The point is settled, God never forbidden human ruler.

If you think God did, provide the verse.

Can you also say the same about your human rulers?

That's not the point.

Was it?

Aemmyjah:
Jesus was offered rulership from Satan and later by his own people, he rejected it

because that was not the reason he came into the world.

Where did God say his people can't be a ruler?

Meanwhile, don't forget that your Governing Body are in rulership position as well.

You will see how different meaning will be given to word rulership now

Janosky:
Exodus 20:5
New International Version
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me"

Exodus 20:5 is the evidence
Achorladey Mumu

If not because you have big problem with English Language, you could have seen that this verse never claimed children are disobedience to God.

Let me break it down for your dull skull.

1. punishing the children

2. for the sin of the parents

God is punishing them for THE SIN of the parents NOT THEIR OWN SIN.

Janosky:
Emusan, Achorladey "children are innocent" mantra no need Exodus 20:5 in their own Bibles.

Their own Mumu mantra supercede their own Bibles..

Well, giving you Bible study is a task for we the followers of Christ.

Yes! God will visit the iniquity of the father on their children but that doesn't mean the Children are not innocent.

Even your deluded organisation put it this way as seen in the attached.

So if you don't understand your own organisation, how will you understand God's word?

Scripture says the children are innocent, reason why Jesus says "such are the kingdom of God"

You people have not produced just single verse where God says Children are His enemy.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ if someone is laughing at Tinubu publicly and another said:

"You will be locked up in the cell that's where your laughing will lead you"

Does that mean the accused will still be laughing while in the police cell?

Jesus was referring to their gnashing of teeth at him while talking so their gnashing of teeth will lead them to hell (grave)

If you don't lie for your gods how will you be happy?

This is what Jesus said in that verse "Matthew 13:42: "and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place (that is the furnace of fire) there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

And this is how your NWT put it: "and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace.h There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be."

Where in this verse that Jesus was talking to those standing with him about gnashing of teeth?

See how he quickly switch from that Ecclesiastical

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said:
“Let the dead bury their dead, but you go and declare abroad the Kingdom of God." Luke 9:60

Irrelevant here!

"the God of Abraham and God of Isaac and God of Jacob.’ He is a God, not of the dead, but of the living, for they are all living to him.” Luke 20:37-38

@underlined is the key.

David said:
"The wicked will retreat toward the Grave, All the nations who forget God" Psalms 9:17

Paul said:
"For when people of the nations, who do not have law, do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them, and by their own thoughts they are being accused or even excused" Romans 2:14-15

Out of point.

Stick to Ecclesiastical 9.

You can't give different meaning to single verse.

The verse clearly says, "the dead know nothing" which is under the earth

Though the dead knows nothing and memories of them is forgotten the true God keeps in mind His loyal servants {Genesis 4:10}

God says the dead have no more rewards nor remembered. So God can't contradict Himself.

This is Gen 4:10 "But the Lord said, “What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground!"

This is not God's memory, stop putting your word in God's mouth.

that's why their names are written in His memory book {Hebrews 11:4-34} and pagans who lived by their conscience {Romans 2:14-15} because of their good deeds He will remember them {Job 14:13-15} while wicked people who rendered their conscience dead are forgotten! Psalms 9:17

Now, you agreed that the DEAD will be REMEMBERED, meanwhile God's word says they'll never be remembered. Definitely, you have issues with that verse.

So spiritually speaking it's faithless miscreants and wicked people that will not be remembered unlike the faithful that God is eagerly anticipating to see them live again that's why Jesus said such ones are living from God's viewpoint! Luke 20:36-38

It's spiritually speaking now

Well, from your post it's evident that you misinterpreted that Ecclesiastical 9:5 because that verse was about the dead having anything to do UNDER THE SUN or ON EARTH.

Reason why you just pick the first phrase and start struggling with the rest.

MaxInDHouse:
The reward is not about the dead

Here is the verse again, "The living at least know they will die, but the dead know nothing. They have no further reward, nor are they remembered."

Definitely, you're the one changing God's word here and the reason is because it's against your lie.

it's the living that will continue to remember them because of their good works

But the verse says "...NOR ARE THEY REMEMBERED"

This is you giving different meaning to just one single verse

E get why

but as for them they are lifeless they don't feel anything no love no hatred no regrets no joy it's all gone

Under the this earth as the scripture rightly put.

"Whatever they did in their lifetime—loving, hating, envying—is all long gone. They no longer play a part in anything here on earth." - ECC 9:6

That means, the phrase "the dead know nothing" was also part of that verse 6 which is talking about "PLAYING PART IN ANYTHING HERE ON EARTH."

until God brings them back to life because of those who missed them due to their good works.

No! The description is generally for ALL THE DEAD. So you can't just take the first phrase from that verse and give the rest different meaning.

That's cherry picking.

MaxInDHouse:
After death nobody knows anything again their memory is gone {Ecclesiastes 9:6} so they won't know anything after they die.

And after DEATH the dead won't have any more REWARDS nor being REMEMBERED. "The living at least know they will die, but the dead know nothing. They have no further reward, nor are they remembered." ECC 9:5

Why do you always leave that part?

Atheists who the believe that the dead no nothing and having no rewards.

But the scripture says th righteous are remembered and having plenty rewards from God.

God is more than real, He is the totality of existence.

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Kingsnairaland:
No one blesses a known thief

Good!

But most people who come for blessings come with a repentant heart
Showing they want to stop evil acts and want to improve

Now you're talking.

But your initial point wasn't about repentance nor POPE statement was about repentance.

It hard to say no when they come that way

Unless they you have not dealt with people who come seek God help in your hands

You won't know what we say until you encounter them

If the POPE point has been about Gay coming for repentance, I guess it won't generate much outcry like this.

Never reject any one who comes to you for spiritual help that the basis of redemption

But was the point about coming for spiritual help? No! Is about how to BLESS THEM.

You've started coming to the reality of it now.

You are not God that has the list of those who will go to hell fire or to heaven so why reject those you see outwardly looking like sinners.

At least you agreed in above that "No one blesses a KNOWN THIEF" so it's not about condemning people to hell or heaven.

Kingsnairaland:
How many times have you sinned against God and end up going the following day to give Thanksgiving

He that is without sin strike the first stone

If only we can see the sins u commit in secret before u go to church on Sunday.

Using question to answer questions.

At least I committed my sin IN SECRET which makes it between me and my God.

Also, anything God detests I run away from it.

So, will you bless a known THIEF if he/she comes to you for prayer or blessing?

This is the question you're trying to dodge.

Kobojunkie:
Not a single one of them tells the Truth as they are all of them a part of the very system born of the AntiChrist — the father of lies. And those who know Jesus Christ can not tell you lies.

@bold who are these people who know Jesus Christ?

How can one find them?

MaxInDHouse:
True disciples of Christ don't participate in such unscriptural practice, we take each day in the whole year special, our prayers are the same. The only special day in the year to us is Nizan 14 of the Jewish Calendar because that is the day Jesus offered the greatest sacrifice ever on this planet and COMMANDED us to always remember each year.
Apart from that all days are the same to Jehovah's Witnesses!

@bold so what concerns JWs with this thread?

NNTR:
Car, might be physical likewise the Driver, but a car has no soul (i.e. driver has a soul, car is soul less)

A car cannot communicate, connect nor interact with God like human beings are capable of

Is this against my point or in support?

Electricity will control hardware based on instructions programmed on the connectors on its circuit board.

You're right but remember the programmer needs electricity first to start any programming.

Kingsnairaland:
The pope said if any one including gays want to give thanks giving in church take the items and bless pray for those who bring it.

So if you know a thief and he came to give thanks giving in your church as a Pastor/priest or person in charge, will you collect the items and BLESSED THE THIEF?

Or bless pray for them when they come and ask for prayers

Which prayer do you think a gay will come for?

But not to bless them (gays)
as wife's and wife's or husband and husband etc

because he knows this is wrong, so why BLESSINGS THEM for OTHER THINGS?

So he is still in the bible parameter.

No! Jesus or God never endorsed any sinner in the scripture.

Though this fine line may be trampled upon by a pro western way of life in the future this gaps may be exploited by another pope and given a calculated easy route to accept their sin in the church.

Stop being diplomatic with the truth.

Gay is against God's law and standard, so call spade a spade and let the Devil be ashamed and let God be glorified.

MindHacker9009:
Do cars control the drivers?

Car is physical likewise the Driver

The best example would have been, electricity controlling the hardware.

paxonel:
your story is realistic, it isn't fictional.
It is very possible that God had revealed the communal clash to you and the pastor for confirmation, to avoid NYSC members from becoming casualties.
But it is still not proof that spirit controls the physical as such communal crises are better controlled and avoided through communal bilateral agreements rather than some spiritual means

After you agreed that the dream is from God you still went ahead to say @bold part

So, if such dream can come from God, how come you didn't see spiritual controling the physical in it?

paxonel:
do you believe that fictions and fairytales do exist?

But what you presented up there is fictional and unreliable

This is from my own personal experience, let me see what you'll call it.

It happened during my NYSC in Cross River.

I had a dream and in that dream it was Friday night/Saturday morning but in reality it was Saturday night/Sunday morning.

The dream went like this, there was a clash between the village I was and another village. The fight was so brutal that dead bodies were everywhere but the villagers took it upon themselves that nothing will happen to any Corps members as they will do everything to protect them. And I saw some of the villagers taking gun shots, marchet cut e.t.c for the corps members. Then I woke up with great fear, in the morning (which is on Saturday morning) I then narrate everything to my colleague because we stay in corpers' lodge and as I was rounding my story up, I then say if this dream is true let the Pastor confirm it tomorrow which is Sunday (we worship in the same church).

Since it's on Sunday morning in reality, as usual we prepare for church and the service went well but to my greatest surprises, in fact, we have already shared the grace and as everyone is about to be leaving I just "Please, everybody should come back nobody should go." It was Pastor calling us back. After we all came back, Pastor proceed and said, "please we need to pray and especially for our Corpers, I had a dream three times tonight and in the dream two villages were fight and blood flows." And the pastor raised some prayer points and we prayed.

I was dumbfounded because how can two people have the same dream in two different locations at the same time? Was the question that is popping on my heard and not only that, how can I say in my dream that if this dream is truly Pastor should confirm it and it happened exactly.

Note: if you know Cross River State very well, the Pastor is living in Ugep (which is the LG headquarter of Yakurr local government and I stay in another village called Idomi.

On getting home after service that day, I then told my colleagues the dream and how pastor confirmed it. All of them were in shock.

Do you know it's not up to two weeks, when fight actually broke out between two villages though not the very one I was but very close to mine and it was bloody. That Cross River State government has to send emergency security to evacuate all the NYSC members in the two villages and fortunately no corps members lost their life.

Our village received few corps members and others were moved to another place before giving them another PPA.

Then as they share their own story, we were told that it was the villagers that protect them before government rescuer came and even some of the villagers lost their lives in the process.

What do you have to say about this?

MaxInDHouse:
For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked person from among yourselves" 1 Corinthians 5:12-13
Please who are to do this JUDGING in the absence of a JUDICIAL COMMITTEE?

So anyone who doesn't accept JWs teaching is a WICKED PERSON.

Is this what those verses were saying?

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works! 2John 10-11[/b]
Apostle John said we must stop talking or greeting disfellowshiped ones.

The key point is @underline.

"Bring this teaching

Which teaching was the Apostle John talking about here?

Reading from verse 7 will shield more light on this.

"7 Many liars have gone out into the world. These deceitful liars are saying Jesus Christ did not have a truly human body. But they are liars and the enemies of Christ. 8 So be sure not to lose what we[c] have worked for. If you do, you won't be given your full reward. 9 Don't keep changing what you were taught about Christ, or else God will no longer be with you. But if you hold firmly to what you were taught, both the Father and the Son will be with you.

Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought. 1Corinthians 1:10
Paul explained that whoever doesn't agree with the oneness we shared shouldn't be viewed as a brother anymore:
"Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them" Romans 16:17

What teaching is Apostle Paul was talking about here?

We based everything on the scriptures just as the first century Christians adhere strictly to the teachings of those taking the lead among them! Act 2:42; Hebrews 13:17

May you have PEACE!

If you base everything on the scripture, where does 1914 belong in the scripture?

ictplotter:
Why blaming a peaceful Islam for radicalism and terrorism while Bible openly preaching radicalism, hates, disunity and terrorism but this is left for the western and America propagandists to answer?

If you're truly open-minded person, you'll have known that Bible never openly preached radicalism, hates, disunity and terrorism.

This is simply because no follower of Christ used those verses below to act like Muslims do.

Just imagine it was a Quran verses that stated this below but not Quran but Bible.

Matthew 10:34-36
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one's foes will be members of one's own household"

Luke 14 vs 26.
"If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple."

The first issue here is understanding.

Most of the commandments of Allah in Quran are prescriptive reason why you see Muslims doing exactly that while the verses you cited in Bible are descriptive reason why you can't see Christian using these verses for terrorism.

And Jesus Himself who made these statements never carried out any act of hates, disunity, terrorism, and radicalism.

About $50billion has been invested in power sector yet no light.

But the biggest hydro power plant in the world: The Three Gorges Dam that produces over 20,000MW of electricity cost just $37Billion and this cost includes relocation of thousands of people that will be affected with the flooding water.

CapitalBank:
I know things are expensive due to economic trajectory of the country.

Can 25M build a contemporary 4 bedroom bungalow in today's economy in Nigeria with standard finishing?

File Photo for illustration

As a Building Engineer, one can't just conclude on that amount because it depends on many factors:

1. Dimensions of the rooms
2. Nature of the soil area
3. Foundation type i.e Strip foundation is an ideal for bungalow but in some special case where the soil capacity is too low, raft foundation is chosen.
4. Construction methodology.
5.. Specific finishing i.e fully furnished, choice of WC, shower e.t.c

But if above factors can be checked against normal standard, yes ₦25M is more than enough to complete that structure.

achorladey:
The guy wants to run. He quickly enter before I answer

See the diversion tactics he used.

From DL to smelling fish

achorladey:
The guy enter realm of contradicting and conflicting response now

That's why they always use that part of ONE LINE OF THOUGHT to deceive themselves

Aemmyjah:
I smell fish
Someone is using two monikers

MaxInDHouse
Come and see something
😂

You're not the first deluded JWs who will think Emusan has more than one moniker on Nairaland.

Your deluded brother MaxinDhouse even believes that it was Holy Spirit that reveals it to him

I guess, this line is when you don't know how to respond to a post.

Well, if it's sure for you.

Take up the challenge to find out if Emusan is another name of someone else on Nairaland.

At least you read it from your Bible that "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

Just as you made false accusation against me before, this will make it more plain that you people are just false accuser like your father the Devil.

Aemmyjah:
Before I answer?
Is it true that DL now celebrate Xmas?

What is DL?

And next time if you want to discuss with me about Christmas never type 'Xmas'

Aemmyjah:
He's not selling his 'church'
I dunno what you two are dragging
This is a religious forum right?
Anyone can share and discuss his beliefs
Is that what you say to Muslims too?

Now that he has agreed that he is a MARKETER as Jesus is also a MARKETER, what do you have to say?

Or you think he is a marketer who doesn't have anything to sell?

Money laundering!