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OneJ:
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"Ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah , my servants whom I have chosen.... before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me" Isaiah 43:10 (ASV).

Why is plain. English so hard to sink into your brain? Jehovah's decree already activated before & after Jesus came to the earth naim Emusan wan change am by force..

The reason why you'll continue in your delusion is because your inability to explore the scripture by yourself but just stick to one verse the GB has already planted in your dull skull.

The content of Isaiah 43:
was it a future or present event? This is question a right seeker of true knowledge will ask..
Now look at the content..

"For I am Jehovah your God, The Holy One of Israel, your Savior. I have given Egypt as a ransom for you, E·thi·oʹpi·a and Seʹba in exchange for you. For you became precious in my eyes, You were honored, and I have loved you. So I will give people in place of you And nations in exchange for your life. Do not be afraid, for I am with you. I will bring your offspring from the east And gather you together from the west. I will say to the north, ‘Give them up!’ And to the south, ‘Do not hold them back. Bring my sons from afar, and my daughters from the ends of the earth, Everyone who is called by my name And whom I created for my own glory, Whom I have formed and made.’ Bring out a people who are blind, though they have eyes, And who are deaf, though they have ears. Let all the nations assemble in one place, And let the peoples be gathered together. Who among them can tell this? Or can they cause us to hear the first things? Let them present their witnesses to prove themselves right, Or let them hear and say, ‘It is the truth!’ “You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and have faith in me And understand that I am the same One. Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none. Isa 43:3-10 NWT

Reading only verse 10 may seems supportive to your argument but reading entire content it shattered your point, as this wasn't an instruction or a command.

That's why we always tell you guy "STOP CHERRY-PICKED SCRIPTURE" read the entire content and understand what the writer is pointing to but your fake organization won't listen.

Compare this with Jesus statement:

So when they had assembled, they asked him: “Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?” He said to them: “It does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction. But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Acts1:6-8 NWT

Isaiah statement can be summarized as for what Jehovah has done for your forefathers as EVEN NO NATIONS can have such a WITNESS for their gods BUT YOU ISRAELITES YOU ARE MY WITNESS TO THESE THINGS.

Why Jesus statement can be summarized thus; what you ask for, isn't what you need now, your own is to just BE A WITNESS of me.

"My food is for me to do the work of Him that sent me & to finish his work" John 4:34.

"Jesus answered, my teaching is NOT my own. It comes from Him who sent me..... he who works for the honor of the One who sent him is a man of truth" John 7:16,17.
That Jesus Christ is the faithful witness of Jehovah is not debatable.
Jesus himself has exposed your lies, hypocrisy & bigotry..

I have dealt with this.

the official mouthpiece of Anglican, Redeemed , Winner's, Catholics. etc , does their names mean Jesus Witness?

Your own is to just ask anyone of them who are they witnesses for...then come back here to ranting.

Receive sense. IJNA.

As Jesus Christ tarries I'll continue to school you guys about scripture, so it's you who need to receive sense and make use of it.

TATIME:
Please we're not supposed to continue with bitter arguments because from your comments it's like i'm just getting you annoyed the more, i'm really sorry for all these please forgive me. We're Jehovah's Witnesses and there's no reason for quarreling over the issue, you can choose any group name you prefer, Christianity was built on tolerance and believers should not be quarreling over what ONLY God is the judge. Thanks and God bless you!

You didn't annoy me nor can you ever near it...but my spirit can never settle with a shameless person who lacks integrity and the fear of God.

We have seen people on this same forum who made mistakes in their comments...when they know about it or notified, it's either they apologize or quietly leave the thread.

But in your own case, you lied, contradict and confuse yet you're still rubbing it in our faces to swallow your delusion.


NOW you know THEY'RE THINGS ONLY God is the judge YET you keep shouting up and down that you're the ONLY TRUE worshippers of God. Are you God to have known that?

TATIME:
It's a pity that you're now coming up with rage.Please i never meant to make you annoyed,we're just trying to reason along as your question seems simple and straightforward from a sincere heart that wish to know the reason why a religious group changed their group name.(1) "Emmanuel" was the name found in the prophecy but "Jesus" was the name Gabriel gave Mary's son.(2)"Elijah" was the name found in the prophecy but "John" was the name Gabriel gave Zachariah's son.(3)"Messiah" was the title found in the prophecies but "the son of man" is what Jesus kept calling Himself. I just want you to humbly meditate on these because if you were alive as a contemporary of both John and Jesus, your question will remain the same "Why are you not bearing Elijah?" to John and to Jesus "Why are you not bearing Emmanuel?" Or "Are you the Messiah?". So i'll advise you to learn from the mistakes of their contemporaries in order not to miss out of the race to life. Satan,demons and their human agents are always misrepresenting God's servants, and their tactics is using the names that ignorant and innocent individuals are already familiar with. God bless you!

That's why you're a very shameless person...
I'm not in rage with neither you nor anybody but I hate hypocrite.

Now see the line of your argument, does it correlate with what we've been discussing? No!

From beginning, you're the very person who said Jesus has instructed you people to SEPARATE from the name CHRISTIAN but now you're still trying as mush as possible to claim that YOU'RE STILL A CHRISTIAN but you only have a denomination NAME which is JWs.

With all these your contradictory statements and even lies from the beginning of this thread, you couldn't hide your face in shame...

The question I asked is if witnesses for Jesus is the same thing as witnesses for Jehovah, why did your Organization change from Herad for Christ to JWs.

Now you're using the case of a prophecy of Emmanuel to Jesus...was it prophesied that your organization name will change from Herad for Jesus to Jehovah witness?

Like I said you people can be pretending online claiming to be Jesus Christ witnesses but deep down inside of you, you know it's just a saving face.

I have asked you to show where Jehovah instructed you to witness for him and I'm ready to show you more than 5 places for Jesus.

1. God Himself is a witness for His son
2. The Holy Spirit is a witness of Jesus Christ
3. The prophets are witnesses of Jesus
4. The apostles are all witnesses of Jesus.
5. The early saints are all witnesses of Jesus.
6. The martyrs of Christ are all Jesus witnesses.
7. Winners, Deeper life, RCCG are all said to be Jesus witnesses...


But only you is a Jehovah witness...where is the instruction to witness for Jehovah come from?

OneJ:
U don't have any issues with members of Winner's Chapel calling themselves "winners", Anglican Church refer to themselves as "Anglicans, Catholic Church faithfuls say they are Catholics etc, yet U have been ranting up & down about JW.

Hypocrite hiding under someone's post!

Reply to your first post if you dare not.

It's now you see that these church names also the same with Jehovah witness but forgotten that these people never said they witnesses for Jehovah but for Jesus.

Yet ,U will lie that your Church has no name.

Can you provide an evidence for this?

U asked, "why do you quote Isaiah 43:10, if it's true that to witness for Jesus is to witness for Jehovah ?"

Because U refused to believe Jesus words : "Jesus answered, My teaching is not my own. It comes from Him who sent me".John 7:16.

See lies, Jesus said His teaching is not His that's but you people only use Isaiah 43:10 to proof that you're the only person following Jehovah instruction.

U claimed to be a witness for Jesus, yet U argued against his words. That's HYPOCRISY. Bro, something is wrong with U. It's the twin diseases called bigotry & hypocrisy.

"Physician" heal thyself.

Show me where Jehovah said you should witness for him, that's what have been demanding from you since.

English is not your problem even Isaiah 43:10 isn't an instruction/command.

Isaiah 40:10 "You are my witness..." compare to
Acts 1:8 "You SHALL BE my witness.."

I'm still waiting for your answer to why Herad for Christ changes to Jehovah witness if witnesses for Jesus and Jehovah are the same.

TATIME:
Jehovah's Witnesses, Jesus' Witnesses Hmmmmmmmmmm It's obvious that you're not a good student, you just love the popular group name "Christians". Well If you're looking for group names that's pleasing to listeners, you can continue searching but remember that Israelites and Jews in particular were expecting the Messiah to bear the name in the prophesies "Emmanuel" (Isaiah 7:14) whereas the Christ was never called in that name throughout His lifetime! Moreover they were expecting Elijah to return as the forerunner for the Christ (John 1:19-25) Even John himself answered "NO" when they asked him if he is Elijah who is to come before the Christ, and who are those inquiring all of these? No other than the Pharisees! It was later that Jesus declared to His own followers that John the baptist is the long awaited "Elijah". So learn a lesson that true servants of God don't declare themselves by the use of names but by ACTIONS! John 1:25 compared to Matthew 11:3-6 We're Jehovah's Witnesses you can only IDENTIFY us if you're humble enough to study what the scriptures say about us, but if you're expecting US to come by an expected popular name,i'm sorry for you.

You this liar has started quoting me, I left you because you couldn't hide your face in shame...after you caught red handed lying...

Stop quoting if you know you can't answer my questions.

Since you know you're not proofing a point by choosing to be called a JWs, are you agree that you people are not the ONLY CHRISTIAN in the world?

If being witnesses for Jesus also means witnesses for Jehovah, why did your organization change from Herad of Jesus Christ to Jehovah witness?

Or you're too dump to grab my questions

Barristter07:
Get your facts right next time before bringing up a useless thread as this based on Silly assumption Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians, if you don't have problem with other people distinguishing themselves with names like Redeemed , Methodist, Anglican, Living Faith , Catholic , You have no right to assume that because of their name , they are not Christians.

So with this, you agree that JWs are not the ONLY Christian, right?

A Witness of Jesus Christ is a Witness of Jehovah. Because everything Christ teach is from Jehovah

I know you will come with this silly logic, but why do you people always quote Isaiah 43:10? If it's true that to witness for Jesus is to witness for Jehovah?

Then why is it that Herad of Jesus change to Jehovah witness?

John 7:16 [i]
"My teaching is not My own, " Jesus replied. "It comes from Him who sent Me.

But why didn't you people just use JESUS WITNESS instead of JEHOVAH'S WITNESS?

Did you people hate the name JESUS?

Why did Herad of Jesus Christ change to Jehovah witness, if there's no difference?

But you people can continue to deceive yourselves, whereas deep down you people know you're not Jesus Christ witnesses as found in the Bible.

Barristter07:
You are not making a single sense, are Jehovahs Witnesses NOT Christians?

ehhhh so JWs are Christians but just go through this thread and see how your brothers who first comment rubbish Christian.

Christians are witnesses of Jesus Christ not Jehovah. Are you?

TATIME:
NO! NO!! NO!!! I'm not a Christian! But just one of Jehovah's witnesses trying to remind a Christian what Christ and the forerunners of Christianity taught the coming generation of Christians from the Bible on how to deal with others. I told you that the WORKS will justify whose faith is DEAD and whose faith is LIVING. Please do i call myself a Christian? Or are you seeing any sign of Christlike qualities in my comments? Sorry i'm still my humble self as one of Jehovah's witnesses.

The Bible says Satan is the father of all lies...

Now look at the color part then compare it with this your previous post:

TATIME: We're the true Christians that's why our preaching and teaching is exactly the same pattern like that of the first century followers who were called "Christians" because they were preaching and teaching NOT FORCEFULLY from house to house just the same way CHRIST did! Act 20:20

With this evidence people can see how far you can lie just to continue to propagate your false doctrine.

TATIME:
True Christians don't disturb others from practicing what they believe. They only speak for themselves and not for others, whereas it's the Pharisees that always disturb people from listening to Christ. Please if you're truly one of their kind (Christians) you should defend your own faith just like the first century Christians and leave others to defend their faith. You're not to speak for them!

So are you still a TRUE CHRISTIAN after Jesus has instructed you to do away with the name?

Go back and reply to your early comment where Faith and obedient to Jehovah righteous standard didn't allow the old people to called themselves JWs.

OneJ:
The issue is your obstinate heart.
Jesus said " my food is to do the will of Him that sent me & to finish his work" John 4:34.

Did Jesus finish the work or not as he said in this verse?

U quoted Luke 24:46-48. But what work did Jesus do?
Jesus was "proclaiming the good news of GOD.... The kingdom of God is near. Repent & believe the good news" Mark 1:14,15.
Luke 8:1

Yet you have to quote mark to corroborate Luke. funny you, jumping from scripture to scriptures.

So was Luke 24:46-48 lying when he said "repentance and forgiveness of sins should be preached in HIS name... YOU ARE WITNESSES OF THESE THINGS"

Did he witness for Jehovah? Yes. Is he a JW? Yes.
What is the command for Jesus followers?
Matt 24:14 "This gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the whole world as a testimony (witness) to all nations & then the end will come".

If U heed the command to preach the gospel, U have witnessed for Jehovah.

You said so, not the scripture. Show me where the Bible says "if you heed the command to preach the gospel. U have witnessed for Jehovah" and I'll show you more verses that said WITNESSES OF JESUS.

The early saint were called Christian that's why even your publications always address them as EARLY CHRISTIANS and not EARLY JEHOVAH WITNESS.

So who is lying, your GB or you?

Jesus said. " I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, you gave them to me& they have obeyed your word" John 17: 3-7.

You still don't get it, do you?
Why the name "Jehovah's witness"? is the title of this thread.

Your organization made a claim, which you're trying very hard to defend. That's why you said the reason why the old saints couldn't ADOPT the name JW is because of their FAITH and OBEDIENCE to Jehovah righteous standard.

And I asked you does this mean your organization lack FAITH AND OBEDIENCE to Jehovah righteous standard that's why they keep going about shouting I'm a JWs?

TATIME:
(1) The group name "Christians was adopted after the death of some followers of Jesus the same way the group name "Jehovah's witnesses" was adopted after the death of some 17th century Bible's students like brother Russell.(2) When Questions arises for reason of our faith, we try to defend it but not to go into bitter arguments. 1Timothy 6:4,Philippians 2:14,Titus 3:9 (3)Christians see good in everyone that's why we knock doors indiscriminately but WE CAN NOT SEE ANYTHING GOOD IN INTERFAITH because Jesus is one so all Christians must speak in agreement regarding SACRED SERVICES,when there is contradictions Satan is "master brain" behind it. 1Corinthians 1:10,Ephesians 4:5 (4)That's exactly what i've been trying to tell you from the onset, because after His baptism Jesus never search for Pharisees to argue or question their beliefs, on the contrary it was Pharisees, Sadusees, Scribes and other teachers of the law that kept trailing Jesus and His followers to "question their faith". Please if you're truly one of their kind i think your main focus should be the preaching and teaching work (within your neighborhood) that He commissioned and not (posting questions on social media inviting those with data for the sake of argument )

The problem you have is inability to comprehend the subject matter, this is not an insult.

From the OP the bone of contention is the claim that your organization made....which means even before Christ was born the "Jehovah witness" has been found associated with people which I demand a proof for from the scripture but only for you to be going up and down.

This leads you to even degraded the name CHRISTIAN which even people like Apostle Paul called.

This also leads you to deny the early martyrs of Christ who even laid their own life for the propagation of the word of God and called them a deceiver in Africa.

And many more which I don't want to talk about

Now look at your recent deceitful defend, in other to justify that Russell work can still be justified when fact emerged that Russell mission is to continue to Herad for Christ...you brought another useless excuse of some people died before the name CHRISTIAN was adopted...

My points are:
1. If the name of Jehovah's witness has been around over 2,700 years ago, doesn't this include Russell? Yet you're trying hard to justify that Russell died as a Christian before the name Jehovah's witness was adopted.

2. It's evident even from your responses so far that Bible only recognized the name CHRISTIAN as it solely for those who witnessed for Jesus. That's why even your publications always address the early saint as EARLY CHRISTIANS. Which was captured from the OP.

3. With these evident so far, the question title is this: why the name "Jehovah witness? "

4. from your opening comment you start off by claiming the name is justified even as Jesus himself is a Jehovah witness...but your comments that come later show how confused your are, as you're trying every possible best to defend your organization.

5. Lastly, for you to continue to committ further blunder I'll advice you go back to the opening page, read diligently, your comments and my corresponding response.

God's Kingdom message isn't for those who won't welcome it because Christians are not to look for means to argue! God bless you.

So you're now a CHRISTIAN? I thought you said Jesus has instructed you not to associate with that name...

Thank God I still have time your post about this and you can't modify it.

NOTE: I know you will still go off point in replying my post.

TATIME:
James,Stephen and many other followers of Jesus have died before they adopted the group name Christians!

And that means the name Christian is a pagan or what?

Well it's like you're only interested in arguments but we're not taught to argue with people

You're not taught to be arguing but you go from thread to thread defending your organization...cut that crap...

who aren't seeing anything good in our presentation.

And you think everybody must reason the way you do.
You as a JWs do you see anything good about another person?

That's why i said earlier "continue witnessing for Jesus while i continue witnessing for Jehovah" the WORKS will justify whose faith is DEAD or ALIVE! James 2:26

I will continue to Witness for Jesus because that's the instruction from Jesus which can be found in the Bible, What His Father, all the prophets and His disciples did.

TATIME:
You're going back to arguments again. Well let me clear this for you, Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. He has been given a name above every other name so that at the mention of His name every knee(of those who want everlasting life) must bow!

Your NWT inserted "OTHER" what the correct Bible says is 'He has been given a name that is above every name'

When He was with His first Apostles "in the flesh" speaking to them face to face, there are many times they failed to grasp what He is instructing them instantly, until He explained in clear terms before they could comprehend what He is saying. Matthew 16:6-12 compared to John 11:11-14 So now that He's directing His congregation "in the Spirit"(Matthew 28:20) How do you expect His followers who can't see Him face to face to easily grasp what He's telling them?

Same line of weak excuse...
The question you should have asked yourself is, did Jesus allow them to die believing a lie if your claim actually true? Not all of them died without knowing the truth...
But why would the same Jesus allow Russel to die believing lies?

because the last time I check
Russell was not a Jehovah witness but "herad of Christ"
Russell died believing many things that are against JWs teaching today...yet today JWs still honored him.

See this: In response to the radical new direction Rutherford was taking the Watchtower Society, many left the Organization and formed independent Bible Student groups. In an effort to distance his followers from this "evil slave class," Rutherford introduced the distinguishing name Jehovah's Witnesses. This is introduced by a convention resolution, described in the
Watchtower 1931 Sep 15 page 278 and discussed in detail in the article "A New Name" Oct 1 page 291.

Please we understand the issue much more than your argument, what we need is to identify "those doing the WORK He commissioned today"

You don't understand it rather you always bring ridiculous excuses to justify it instead of asking yourself some thoughtful questions.

TATIME:
If you want to work for Jesus, i think the scriptures outlined how to go about it because Jehovah God made sure that instead of two or three witnesses as written in the Mosaic laws, four persons namely Matthew, Mark, Luke and John bore witness to the truth regarding the life and ministry of Jesus of Nazareth.

You get and nail it.

All these four gospel writers made us to understand how Jesus did the WORK of His father and commissioned His faithful followers to do the same thing.

You don't get it, do you?

Show me where this four writers talks about THE WORKS that Jesus did that we should continue AS THE BASIS FOR SALVATION...you see this is where you miss it. Christ gave His life for the sin of the world...it was this redemption from sin that Christ asked US to continue to proclaim...the same book of lLuke highlighted this... Luke 24:46-48 "In this way it is written that the Christ would suffer and rise from among the dead on the third day, [b]and on the basis of his name repentance for forgiveness of sins would be preached in all the nations-starting out from Jerusalem, YOU are to be witnesses of these things."[b]

You see it was the basis of the sacrifice that we are witness of.

Stop reading watchtower and awake alone...read the Bible for yourself.

Later Luke was Inspired to write the Bible book of ACTS OF APOSTLES, this was appropriate so that future faithful ones could learn from the book of ACTS how the "first century" Christians organized themselves to continue doing the WORK God's only begotten son did and handed over to Christians.

So Jesus handed over His works to CHRISTIANS and not JEHOVAH WITNESSESS, yet you claiming what Jesus didn't do.

So i think baseless and faceless arguments on social media regarding the GROUP NAME those doing the WORK chose to bear is unnecessary. What matters is "who are doing the SAME WORK that Jesus did and handed over to His first century followers?".

And you're God to know who is actually doing His work, right? Just like someone said to you on that thread of a brother who is seeking advice about marrying a JWs, the person says "the way the Pharisees are doing during Jesus time claiming to be the very One upholding God's law and doing righteous is the same way JWs are doing today, thinking they're the only one among thousands of denominations serving God."

Yet the Bible says: "anyone who think he stands take a heed lest he falls"

TATIME:
It's obvious that your problem is the word "witnesses" because i can't just figure out why you're disturbing yourself about the person i chose to witness for.

You guite see the title of the thread before you jumped in to comment but obviously you thought is as usual where you get away with the lies and rant...

So I don't have problem with the WORD WITNESS but the lies your organization put forth which is very glaring in the course of fine-tuning this thread from you people.

I'm one of Jehovah's witnesses and you're one of Jesus' witnesses, so let each one continue doing the WORKS without disturbing or castigating each other.

But you've been castigating other people even going to extend that CHRISTIAN is polluted that's why Jesus gave you instruction to ADOPT a new name...

If i knock on your door to present my message and you reject it, it's simple "where not on the same side". If you knock on my door to present your message (which i don't think you'll ever do) i'll welcome you in without a second thought because i know that's what Jesus commanded His followers to be doing.

Now claiming a victim side, who always rejects others people message if not your people?

Like I said earlier, always claiming to be THE ONLY ONE at the top, you think others don't go house to house only JWs do that...

So since you know that's what Jesus commanded, why always claim to be the only one doing it?

And if by the end of the day i discovered your messages differs from what i expected, all i need to do is get to know more perhaps i'm missing something.

See another lie, how many times have you taken your time to verify any information about your doctrines? We see how you jump around here always defending JWs that's not what a seeker of truth does.

But facelessly and namelessly arguing on social media has nothing as in NOTHING to do with what Jesus commanded His faithful followers.

What Jesus commanded his faithful followers is boldly written in the Bible and every biblical Students know it...it's left for you to decide whether you're truly following Jesus commandment or a group of people at headquarter commandment.

The attached pix is the first Bible verse Rutherford used to defend the ADOPTION of "Jehovah's witness" name but when he late realized that the verse was actually talking about another thing, he then used Isaiah which you people always point to today.

Whereas, you already said it's Jesus who instructed you to ADOPT the name....Is that how a true follower of Jesus Christ behave?

mobiyina537:
they're the one and only group doing the WORK! James 2:26[color=#FFFFFF].[/color]

If they're the only one doing the work, how did Christianity spreed across?

TATIME:
Story! Story!! Story!!! Please just address me as one of Jehovah's witnesses and i'll be just fine. Thanks for the services rendered because I'm OK with our group name,

Well like most people always say, nobody has any problem with JW IF THEIR CLAIMS are personal but going further to degrade or force it on top of the Bible is what we're talking about.

Remember, you people always claimed that nothing you do that can't be found in the Bible.

Look at the bolden...it's now 'OUR GROUP NAME' not a BIBLICAL STANDARD anymore. Which just confirmed the OP

if you're a Christian and i claim to be one of Jehovah's witnesses i think what matters is salvation which is not by name or by mouth but by WORKS

So the works you're achieving your salvation through is lie and deceit...

which Jesus commissioned for faithful ones to do.

This is what Jesus commissioned for faithful ones:

Luke 24:46-48 "In this way it is written that the Christ would suffer and rise from among the dead on the third day, and on the basis of his name repentance for forgiveness of sins would be preached in all the nations-starting out from Jerusalem, YOU are to be witnesses of these things."

Acts 10:43 "To him all the prophets bear witness, that everyone putting faith in him gets forgiveness of sins through his name."

So even if i call myself Sango or Obatala what matters is "doing the will of Jesus' father" namely obeying the command of God's son to go out to preach and teach my neighbors about God's Kingdom.

Jesus commandment is this "Luke 24:46-48 "...and on the basis of his name repentance for forgiveness of sins would be preached in all the nations-starting out from Jerusalem, YOU are to be witnesses of these things."

See the way you used style to boycott your own comment after I caught you red handed. I'm still expecting your reply to that!

OneJ:
U admitted on this thread that Jesus witnessed for Jehovah.

Quote the statement and what I said concerning that.

He was sent by Jehovah. He is a JW confirmed. Rev 3:14. Matt 24:14, John 4:34. Luke 8:1.

Yet He couldn't ADOPT the name Jehovah witness nor any of His disciples.

The million dollar question is , Emusan are U a witness for Jehovah?

I witness to Christ just as His Father is a witnesses of Him.

I've explained that Rev 3:14 just that you people are just act like Robot, no input on your own.

Rev 3:14 even from NWT is "...from Jesus Christ, 'THE FAITHFUL WITNESS'..."
The point here is Jesus is actually the focal point of everyone.

To come here & write all this jargon is nothing but IBERIBEISM mode activated.
If U don't like JW or the name Jehovah's witnesses, no qualms.
Pls remain in your lane.
Case closed.

You called it jargon....and it's coming from someone who said [quote]"In pre- christian era, faith & obedience to Jehovah's righteous standard set apart (from their contemporaries) the men of faith as worshippers of Jehovah. They don't have to call themselves Jehovah's witnesses in order to prove that they were. Heb11:1-40."[/qupte]

So today you people don't have faith and obedience to Jehovah righteous standard, that's why you can be shouting Jehovah's witness up and down.

It's evident that your publication lied that's why you and your brother were perambulating and shooting yourselves in the legs.

Just imagine how your brother lied against the missionaries and early Christians just to gain cheap points.

TATIME:
My advice for you is to keep working out what the truth means because the other guy is always attending meetings with Jehovah's witnesses yet he can't remain nor go elsewhere since there's NOWHERE else to go for pure worship!

Yet you couldn't hid your face in shame...
making mockery of yourself thinking playing with salvation is the best.

You lied about Colonialism and missionaries who have brought great light to Africa without a single mission than to spread the good news about salvation.

You lied against the early Christians....

You lied just to justify your organization while diminishing the word of God.

You want to be called a Jehovah witness which Bible didn't recognize but discard (not only discard but also degraded) THE ONLY NAME Bible recognized Christianity.

In Acts 26:28 King Agrippa asked Apostle Paul, "...“In a short time you would persuade me to become a Christian.” At this Paul said: “I wish to God that whether in a short time or in a long time, not only you but also all those who hear me today would become men such as I am,..."

Here Apostle Paul didn't deny being a Christian infact he wished King Agrippa and his men be one just as he is a Christian.

But you can open your mouth to say you should be addressed as Jehovah witness

If you're truthful to yourself, do a research on how your organization ADOPTED the name JW.

You even lied against Jesus being the one who instructed you to ADOPT a name (which your organization had already claimed to be in existence before Jesus era).

TATIME:
With all these contradictions in the name of Christianity, abeg just refer to me as one of Jehovah's witnesses. God bless you!

Imagine see how my post rendered you dump...

You lied against the disciples and early martyrs that Jesus gave command but they didn't follow it by refuse to run away and died in the hands of their tormentors.

Do you agree that you lied about Missionaries and the Colonial Masters?

I should refer to you as JW when the Bible says "But if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not feel ashamed,..." 1 pet 4:16 NWT

You can see the reason why the disciples and the early Christians died as a Christian and not as a Jehovah witnessess...

Now it's "CONTRADICTIONS IN THE NAME of Christianity" after you degraded the name and later stylishly claimed the name.

The name that appeared in the scripture whereas Jehovah's witnesses never appeared

The truth will continue to hit you until you people accept Christ as personal Lord and Saviour!

TATIME:
just that you failed to realize that there was NO Christian missionaries if they're "struggling" to preach to those who aren't ready for the good news.

Yet the apostles were so kin and even died in their witnesses for Jesus Christ.

I know you'll twist it that the disciples were actually doing the work of Jehovah.

So why can't people like Stephen run away?

The instruction from Jesus (whom you claimed you're witnessing for) is "where you're not welcome, dust your feet and move to another place" Matthew 10:11-15

But did the disciples run away from Jerusalem when they were persecuted?

Why did Stephen not run away?

So my friend it's clear that those whom your forefathers knew weren't Christians because Jesus never said "insist on preaching in the face of brutal criticism".

This is how you'll know that truly you people are a tool in the hands of the Devil.

Stephen was stone to death, was he hidden before he was caught?
Majority of early Christians died horrible death.
Apostle John was cast into boiling oil, did he run to another country because of that?

Therefore they came "not for Christ" but on another MISSION which is obvious today.

In like manner, we can say those disciples and early martyrs are NOT FOR CHRIST.

These so called missionaries came with "colonialism" and forced your forefathers to worship in the way they knew not,their counterparts (the Arabs) arrived in the northern part of Nigeria forcing them to practice a religion they knew not.

So you can say the missionaries are the one who colonized Africa, do you do history at all?

When did colonial era start in Africa and when did Christianity enter Africa?

Christianity came to Nigeria in 15th century while colonization started in 1900

Can you see the timeline difference?

We're the true Christians that's why our preaching and teaching is exactly the same pattern like that of the first century followers who were called "Christians" because they were preaching and teaching NOT FORCEFULLY from house to house just the same way CHRIST did! Act 20:20

Waoooo, Now you're claiming to be a Christian the same NAME you so degraded in your previous post hmmmm
Here is your statement before:

Today we have adopted our former divinely inspired name so that honest hearted persons could distinguish between true worshippers and thousands of misrepresentations all claiming "Christians". Jesus asked US to separate ourselves with the group name "Christians" in the first century and today He has ordered US to return to that former name as all forms of pagans are becoming comfortable with the old group name "Christians"

Jesus asked you to separate from a group called Christian net you're still a Christian.

Isn't Jehovah wonderful?

OneJ:
Anybody whom the true God has taken for himself ,is a Jehovah's witness. Acts 15:14. U no dey understand English?

And yet these people failed to be addressed as Jehovah witness for once.

It's you who lack basic comprehension.

If u followed the deity of your family/community, do U need to call yourself a devotee, when the facts are already obvious to everyone?

But you called yourself a devotee today...why can't you follow the step of those who didn't bother to call themselves Jehovah's witnesses or your own analogy?

U have NOT actually studied JW literature, rather U perused it looking for perceived "faults ".

I can see that the one I quoted needs a PhD in Watchtower or awake knowledge to understand.

Early Christians were JWs. They imitated Jehovah God & his son,Jesus Christ. Ephesians 5:1. ,1Cor 11:1,

Yet your publications never addressed them as Jehovah witnesses but keeping using the phrase "Early Christians"

Imagine, to witness to is now change to "To imitate"
How can you imitate God, please?

But who did Jesus imitate?
"Jesus answered them: I tell you the truth, the son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing..." John 5:19.

So this makes Jesus a Jehovah witness but none of his disciples bothered to address Him once.

In pre- christian era, faith & obedience to Jehovah's righteous standard set apart (from their contemporaries) the men of faith as worshippers of Jehovah. They don't have to call themselves Jehovah's witnesses in order to prove that they were. Heb11:1-40.

Does FAITH and OBEDIENCE to Jehovah's righteous standard not found in your congregations today?

If yes! Then you don't need to call yourself a Jehovah witness since these people also DON'T NEED TO CALL THEMSELVES JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES in other to prove that they were.

But If No! Then you're not a true worshipper

OR BETTER PUT: Why are you going about proving to be a Jehovah witness after FAITH and OBEDIENCE has set you apart from contemporaries?

What of during Christ-era, why the disciples never be addressed as Jehovah witness?

I think they're not obedient and have faith...

Action speaks louder than words.

So you know action speaks louder than words YET YOU PEOPLE ARE GOING ABOUT SHOUTING I'M A JEHOVAH WITNESS. Hypocrite!

For the fact that Christ witnessed for Jehovah, he was a JW, that he didnt adopt the name, JW , doesn't prove otherwise.

Jesus couldn't ADOPT the name,
The disciples couldn't adopt the name,
The old prophets couldn't adopt the name
The early saints couldn't adopt the name
The saints of old couldn't adopt the name
Russell the founder of your organization couldn't adopt the name
BUT suddenly, Rutherford in 1931, can adopt it. isn't that a clear disobedient to God's righteousness and standard?

Yet you couldn't ask yourself this simple question, why all these people never ADOPT this name?

He made Jehovah's name known to his followers (John 17:25,26).He was a preacher of God's kingdom. That's what JWs do. Matt24:14, Mark 1:14,15. Luke 8:1.

Yet Jesus never addressed God as Jehovah for once.

If U are not preaching the gospel of the good news of God's kingdom,the work Jesus did, then U are off key & off point. U are not imitating Jesus.
The day would come ,he will say "I never knew you". Matt: 7:21-23

But are you imitating Jesus who never ADOPT Jehovah's witness as a name?
These are your remarks in case you forget:
1. because of FAITH and OBEDIENCE to Jehovah righteous standard the pre-era Christian doesn't need to use the name.
2. Early Christians were JW BUT you couldn't tell us why Watchtower or Awake couldn't address them as one

TATIME:
I'm sorry Sir/Ma if my comments got you enraged. There is freedom of expression today

You guys always go off topic just to cajole reader's mind away from the main topic.

You haven't provided tangible answers to my questions

so Jesus' instruction to US is to go and meet people in their homes

So where does the instruction to witness for Jehovah come from, if it's Jesus that actually gave you the instruction?

if we notice that some people are doing things wrongly,at least to correct those who will listen. So i'll advise you to contact my brothers or sisters in your neighborhood for scriptural principles and more explanations regarding the topic. Thanks and God bless you!

Until your brothers and sisters in my neighborhood came before you can clarify issue about your organization scriptural manipulation.

After you accused the old people of following Pagan by allowed to be called 'Christians'

My questions are still remain:
1. Where does anybody/group of people address in the Old Testament as Jehovah witness because your organization claimed that the NAME Jehovah witness has been around since over 2,700years ago?

2. Why does your publications "watchtower and awake" always refer to the old saints as EARLY CHRISTIANS and not EARLY JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES? Despite the fact that your organization said the name has been around over 2,700 years ago.

In absent of a proof from you, you made another claim that you people ADOPTED the name after Jesus instructed you.

Which beg for another question;
Why would Jesus later instruct you but allowed His own disciples to die as a Christian INCLUDING your founder Charles Taze Russell?

Yet you wrapped your head in delusions telling me to contact JW neighbor that possess the same delusions as yours.

I even challenged you to list just one verse where people were called Jehovah witness that I will list more than five where people witness to Jesus.

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TATIME:
All faithful servants of God right from Abel till today are Jehovah's witnesses. Hebrews 11:4-40,12:1

You're still lying like your organization
show me from that Hebrew where the Word Jehovah's witness appeared?

Jesus also acknowledge that He is a WITNESS. Revelations 1:5

What the Bible says here is "...FROM Jesus Christ, 'THE faithful witness'..." NWT

Notice the article "THE" Jesus Himself is THE ONE WE A WITNESS TO

So Jesus said to Christians "you will be my witnesses"{Act 1:8} to distinguish between fake Jewish worshipers also claiming to be Witnesses of Jehovah and real Witnesses of the day that God has given divine approval (Christians) since Jesus the way, truth and life is with them, whereas those arrogant Jews condemned God's son.

See where you shot yourself in the legs...
Jesus says we should be His witness because of the arrogant Jews who are claiming to be JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. But your governing body says No! let's follow the arrogant Jews and forget about Jesus Christ.

Today we have adopted our former divinely inspired name

You're not supposed to ADOPT the name if it's already ESTABLISHED IN THE BIBLE. So for you to adopt it, it means it's never a Biblical name which is the reason no one has ever been called a Jehovah's witness in the Bible.

so that honesthearted persons could distinguish between true worshippers and thousands of misrepresentations all claiming "Christians".

Yet your publications can still refer to the people of old as EARLY CHRISTIANS.

Isn't it evident that your publications are promoting fake worshippers?

You people can go to any length just to drag the word of God down.

Jesus asked US to separate ourselves with the group name "Christians" in the first century

Kindly give us the verse where this can be found.

and today He has ordered US to return to that former name as all forms of pagans are becoming comfortable with the old group name "Christians" which was a ridiculous name in the first century.

So Jesus allowed even His disciples to be called a pagan name "Christians" till they died and later secretly told Rutherford in 1931

Don't forget Russell also died as a Christian!

We're no part of the world so our group name must always single US out from FAKE religions!

Then, this is for a personal thing but why did your organization lie that old people are Jehovah witnesses?

Then you should know that you're not following the commandment of our Lord Jesus Christ who says "You shall be MY witness..."

Those leading US are seeing Him and following Him ANYWHERE He goes! Revelations 14:4 that's why we can't remain bearing the same group name with other religions. Thanks and God bless you!

You mean your GB are seeing Jesus!

After all your jamboree you still couldn't answer my questions

Give me a verse where a person/group of people are called Jehovah witness...
But I can give you more than 5 verse where God, Holy Spirit, THE Prophets and Jesus disciples are CALLED Jesus witnesses!

AmaSophy:
I have asked before and no-one gave a good response.

Please is it advisable to use a bank statement of a US resident as my sponsor?

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Thank You!!!!!!

I think using a US base SOA is even better

That's what I use too

OneJ:
1) Men of faith knew they were Jehovah's servants (witnesses for Jehovah), but didnt formally referred to themselves as Jehovah's witnesses. Dan 12:4,8-10.>Through the holy spirit, that insight & understanding came to Jesus followers .
"Simon described how God was "taken from the Gentiles a people for himself" Acts 15:14, Paul called these "men of faith " a cloud of witnesses" for Jehovah whom we should copy from. Hebrew 11:1-39. 12:1-3.

So what make them not to be FORMALLY REFER TO THEMSELVES AS JEHOVAH WITNESS?

Why then your organization lied that over 2700 years ago people have been using the name Jehovah witness?

Show me any where in the scripture where people are addressed as Jehovah witness.

God will deliver you sha, see how you linked Acts 15:14 with Hebrew

Anyways, why does your organization dim it fit to be addressed as Jehovah witness when the MEN OF FAITH couldn't do so?

2) Simply because the first followers of Christ were referred as 'followers of the Way ' ,these were witnesses too) Acts 22:4,19,20..
In the same vein,nothing changes the fact that Christ witnessed for Jehovah but he didn't adopt the name "Jehovah's. Witnesses" like we , JWs did in the 1930s.
Rev 3:14, John 4:34.

Your scripture reference has no correlation with what you said and even my question.

Whether Christ witnesses for Jehovah isn't an issue (emphasis) the point is why did Watchtower and Awake ALWAYS called these people EARLY CHRISTIANS and not EARLY JEHOVAH WITNESS?

Christ couldn't adopt the name despite the fact that He witnessed to Jehovah [b]but you people now has the authority from the same Christ to ADOPT the name....that's wonderful!

It's already established from the OP that your organization made a claim that was never found in the Bible.

The true body of Christ all bear witness to the rising Lord Jesus but a particular group decided to isolate themselves by given themselves a name known as 'Jehovah Witness'

If you ask any of their members, why bearing witness to Jehovah and not Jesus Christ?

Their quick respond will be God says in Isa 43:10 that "you're my witness says Jehovah..." just as they explained it here under the topic: why are we called Jehovah witness?
Many people think that Jehovah’s Witnesses is the name of a new religion. However, over 2,700 years ago, the servants of the only true God were described as his “witnesses.” ( Isaiah 43:10-12 ) Until 1931, we were known as Bible Students. Why did we adopt the name Jehovah’s Witnesses? https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/jehovahs-will/why-called-jehovahs-witnesses/

Notice that it was said here that "...Over 2,700 years ago, the SERVANTS of the only true God we're described as his "WITNESSES"

Which means, the NAME Jehovah witness didn't start from them but originated from Bible.
NOTE: Originated here means they're not the first people to be called Jehovah witness but every Biblical Characters are all Jehovah witnesses. You can read that from the link!

Now, when reading Watchtower magazine and Awake publication of Jehovah witness. Whenever, there's a reference to old people especially the disciples of Jesus Christ and people who walked with the disciples. Their publications ALWAYS refer to them as 'EARLY CHRISTIANS'

My questions are:
1. If people are actually known in the Bible over 2,700 years ago as witnesses, why can't we find exert name as Jehovah witness directly applied to a person/group of people in the Bible?

2. Why does Watchtower and Awake always refer to the early people as 'EARLY CHRISTIANS' and not EARLY JEHOVAH WITNESS?

Flaame:
Peterudeagha@gmail.com...Inbox

Someone ask you question here and you said I should inbox you...what if you're the one who opened this thread from part 1

Flaame:
Please can you be a bit more specific let me know what am doing.

Like applying for a graduate program without those exam or better put help us with the list of programs you know that don't demand for those exam.

Flaame:
Yes...but what degree do u want?

can you list them? Both graduated and undergraduate!

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But you can see the picture of when Sanwoolu purchased his form with those surrounded him and the same people in that video....