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Peacefullove:
There is a very sensible question you evade regarding this.

Where are the Wicked before the Ressurection you talked about ??

Respond to this area . vital

Then go back to my previous post I replied to this question, stop paying attention to your brothers post alone. Read everyone post with open mind...then draw your conclusion. That's how a seeker of the truth does.

Peacefullove:
Where does it mean an invisible soul ?

You're the most mischievous here, if not you'd have read from page 1 of a thread before you jump in.

I attached a screenshot of Strong Hebrew word of Nephene where it said it can mean GHOST

So look for it and proof it wrong.

Stop been mischievous, have studied how you played games in this area.

The body makes you human, but is the body the actual person that survive death ? If no, why Not admit you guys only shed skin like Snakes ?

Play game

The BODY IS THE ACTUAL PERSON TO THE PHYSICAL WORLD. Give me any of your cousin's number in primary school, maybe if I explain to them s/he will know how to relate it to you.

Peacefullove:
Where is that written ? You can't just make claims without proving them .

All the while many here have quoted places where it was emphasized that soul died, your usual antics is to play games saying soul has different meaning.

This invisible soul, where is it written !!! ? I demand for proof

All the while I've been quoting Matt 10:28 and Luke 12:5 where Jesus said "Don't fear those who can kill the body BUT CAN'T KILL THE SOUL;"

Jesus made a clear distinction between body and soul here, but what did you say about it? Nothing!

Only to come and say, "All the while many here have quoted places where it was emphasized that soul died,"

Peacefullove:
Your Bible said the soul that sinneth, shall ?

The word translated soul has different meanings...read beginning of this thread and stop taking us back

" the physical image is gone "

Have you seen a snake shed its dead skin before ? That skin is not the snake itself . the death of that skin does not in any way affect the snake , its gone but the snake lives

Where did you get this idea of invisible Soul from ?

Snake shedding it's skin can't be compared with human.

The BODY itself is what makes us HUMAN without the BODY you're not human...

please I've stress myself explaining this several times.

Peacefullove:
Did I just read that part of a person that is ETERNAL ?

^^ it exist before birth ?

Analyse please .

The scripture didn't stress much about soul before birth but human has soul that exists after death according to the scripture.

Proof me wrong

LordReed:
And given the time scales we are talking about, who says it is impossible for such a sequence to occur? It's almost like saying from a pack of 52 cards, it is impossible to randomly draw 6 cards and get a hand consisting of cards numbered 1-6. That happens all the time in card games.

Besides the changes occurred like a tortoise crawl the entire 3.8billion years so its not like humans leapt fully formed from a single cell organism.

What I see that you neglected on your post is that, you didn't factor WHAT WILL HAPPEN before the chance to complete the compatibility occurred...

If I may ask, who first evolve, the male or the female?

Jozzy4:
Come and rant as usual . You are choked already

Says the most dullest who couldn't comprehend what won't take ordinary primary 1 pupils to understand.

Laughter oooo .

SEEN as ONE of them is irrelevant oooo

Either he is seen as one of them or not. it doesn't change the fact that the astronaut is the Person . HE ONLY put on a Space suit.

You dullness is irritating no be small.
-The astronaut is a person in the spirit realm
-The astronaut WITH THE SPACE SUIT is a person in the physical realm.
-Once the SPACE SUIT is gone the physical person is died leaving the spirit realm.

How long is it going to take you to grab this simple statement

So Jesus just PUT on a body ?

And the body He put on made Him A PERSON/HUMAN BEING on earth without the BODY HE CAN NEVER BE CALLED Human/Person

How did you pass your English language in school?

Olodo. They are well knowledgeable to know the space suit is an ordinary attire . The real person is beneath.

The real Olodo calling someone Olodo.
But without the space suit nothing like HUMAN
Just like God is a spirit but when He visited Abraham what about saw was THREE MEN

Who died. The space suit or the person beneath it?

U are just throwing stones in your own net. This is only logical if what is beneath dies .



Does that person beneath the suit dies when the suit is removed ? Yes!

Logically, Jesus should die. Not survive what he pit on . or else ordinary space suit dies

What is beneath has nothing associated with the physical world the only person has something common with the physical world is the body.

The BODY IS THE REAL PERSON IN THE PHYSICAL WORLD without the body the person of soul in spirit realm can never be regarded as a PERSON IN THE PHYSICAL WORLD. Immediately the soul leaves the BODY THE PERSON KNOWS in the PHYSICAL WORLD is DEAD.

I know you won't still understand!

Jozzy4:
See the dubious person that quoted commentaries saying it refers to the shedding of his blood . ( Soul/Life is in blood )

Grabbing straws, Something immaterial like Blood ?

So after reading all those commentaries you couldn't grab their messages. This really shows that your dullness is beyond redemption.

those commentaries pointed it out plainly that "the life IS IN the Blood not that Blood is the LIFE"

So even after you could say SOUL/LIFE is in the Blood you can still went further to ask "something immaterial like BLOOD?"

No, they didn't support you that soul in that verse is immaterial, they said it refers to the shedding of his blood .

What's immaterial about the blood ?

Soul is synonymous to life olodo

It has gotten to stage you finally displayed the most ridiculous part of your dull brain.

They said "LIFE IN THE BLOOD" even reference to Lev 17:11

Now you have changed it to shedding of the blood...the devil really not at sleep over you.

Is life a material thing?

life meaning:

Existence of an animal or human being

E.g 70 lives were lost in the flood.

Too shallow person

So is life a material thing?

So what is the different between LIFE AND LIFE FORCE

Confused JWs

Jozzy4:
Soul is a person or creature
Living Soul = Body + Breath of life .
That which combines with the breath of life to become a Soul Gen 2:7

What is that THING THAT COMBINED with breath of life?

Is already established by you that BODY + Breath of life = Living soul.

You want to be smart but don't know you're very dull

Gehenna is valley of hinnom , Not some imaginary place.

the maginary place called Hell, does Body go there ? That's the question!!!

I can see your ignorance, even the highlighted part exposes it the more.

The article says "This valley afterwards became the common receptacle for all the refuse of the city.
Here the dead bodies of animals and of criminals,
and all kinds of filth, were cast and consumed by fire kept always burning. It thus in process of time became the image of the place of everlasting destruction.

The BODY after resurrection will be destroyed forever in Gehenna (hell)

Lolzzzzzzzz, u must be kidding

Before the wicked are Ressurected, where are they ? That will expose that silly logic

"In the King James Version and the Revised Version (British and American) Gehenna is rendered by "hell" (see ESCHATOLOGY OF THE NEW TESTAMENT). That "the valley of Hinnom" became the technical designation for the place of final punishment was due to two causes. In the first place the valley had been the seat of the idolatrous worship of Molech, to whom children were immolated by fire ( 2 Chronicles 28:3 ; 33:6 ). Secondly, on account of these practices the place was defiled by King Josiah ( 2 Kings 23:10 ), and became in consequence associated in prophecy with the judgment to be visited upon the people ( Jeremiah 7:32 )."

YoungIncredible:
Hello guys. Please can anyone help me with any cheapest hotel close to Abuja embassy pleaseeeeee.

I'm very low on budget and I can't afford Sheraton.


I will be visiting Abuja for the first time, which of the parks will I stop at?, and how to get to the "cheap hotel"

Edakun.

Actually I don't know your pocket but if you're thinking of getting cheap hotel around embassy you're in for a long thing.

But I'll advice, you can get an hotel in Gwarinpa, Kubwa or Jabi the reason why I choose these areas is because you can't experience any traffic delay.

Jozzy4:
You are so ignorant . Study how God made Adam and know what Soul means , Adam himself is a Clay , he became a living soul when the breath of life activates him . he wasn't a living Soul until breath of life activates his body.

So open your senses .



There is distinction , study Adam .

So I put it to you,
What is Soul?
What is Body?

Shebi Gehenna is Hell ?

Answer me : Do you agree BODY go to hell ? Matt 10:28 KJB

This answer your question:
Gehenna [N] [B] [S]
(originally Ge bene Hinnom; i.e., "the valley of the sons of Hinnom", a deep, narrow glen to the south of Jerusalem, where the idolatrous Jews offered their children in sacrifice to Molech ( 2 Chronicles 28:3 ; 33:6 ; Jeremiah 7:31 ;
19:2-6 ). This valley afterwards became the common receptacle for all the refuse of the city. Here the dead bodies of animals and of criminals, and all kinds of filth, were cast and consumed by fire kept always burning. It thus in process of time became the image of the place of everlasting destruction.

In this sense it is used by our Lord in Matthew 5:22 Matthew 5:29 Matthew 5:30 ; 10:28 ; 18:9 ; Matthew 23:15 Matthew 23:33 ; Mark 9:43 Mark 9:45
Mark 9:47 ; Luke 12:5 . In these passages, and also in James 3:6 , the word is uniformly rendered "hell," the Revised Version placing "Gehenna" in the margin. (See HELL; HINNOM .)

cc : alBHAGDADI,,

You rush to luke , No one overlooks anything . the question is : What happen to those thrown into Gehenna ? They burn forever, in Jesus day is it a place of conscious torment ?

Besides, Gehenna is Hell last I checked, why you favouring Gehenna now.

Do bodies Go to hell ? matt 10;28

The wicked will be RESURRECTED and then destroy by God in everlasting fire.

Why are you guys always overlook the content of discussion rather playing hide and seek nonsense?

The content of both Matt 10:28 & Luke 12:5 is talking about man's limited power to put another man out of EXISTENCE but it's God alone who can do that...which is clearly spelled out with different word "KILL and DESTROY"

Jozzy4:
Its you who your understanding is Low, Soul in the Bible is material , So I have no problem with the commentaries.


But only a dubious person would claim Soul of Jesus is his life ( Blood ) , and won't apply to man .... Do you now accept Soul of man is associated with his Blood ? Not immaterial entity in Nollywood movies

You have a very shallow reasoning.

I have said that Hebrew word has different meanings

Yet you couldn't grab my point about that Isaiah 53

My point is the content of Isaiah wasn't about the physical body rather is about something immaterial.

It's your brother who is claiming that it's talking about BODY since to him Soul=Body

But the commentaries supported my point that the content isn't about just BODY which you have no problem with.

You said "SOUL in the Bible is material" but is LIFE material or not? Don't dodge this question.

Jozzy4:

A scientist going into space Would wear a Space suit to live and Sustain in that DIFFERENT WORLD .

But the real person is not the space suit.

So Body serves the purpose of a space suit for the invisible Soul in this physical world ?

When they come back to Earth , the actual person removes it.

Emusan also said after leaving the physical world, the Soul becomes the Actual person.

I can't laugh o. It aff been exposed

Cc : Barristter07 , alBHAGDADI

Did Jesus died or his Space suit ?


Lolzzz

Now let me seal up this so that you will know how confused you people are.

I like this your analogy and how it exposes your ignorance about the subject matter.

Let reason along these factors:
1. our world here where the astronaut lives before is considered as the spiritual realm.
2. Space is another world like physical world, and people living there totally different from our world.
3. To us this astronaut is a person.
4. To people in space the astronaut isn't one of them and invisible.
5. For the astronaut to be seen as one of them and visible, he must PUT ON THE SPACE SUIT.

Here lies the key point:
The space suit isn't just a house to people in space BUT the as ONE OF THEM (ACTUAL PERSON - both what covered by the suit and the suit made up one person to them not two) because without the suit the person isn't part of them.

Let's assuming the man put off his space suit in space.
1. since without the suit, the astronaut can neither be seen nor known as one of them, then to them the person they know has died.
2. Whereas, there still something that lives under the suit.

You can see how your own analogy exposed you.

Jozzy4:
Today, you will hear am



Silly, NWT uses Life because of dummies that will think soul means immaterial entity not knowing its Just life. Since Soul is life as indicated in NWT footnote pointed out previously by barrister07 . NWT stand is understandable. Meaning the Life of Jesus was lost . he became a dead soul when he died . Numbers 6:6

But you who claim Soul is Immaterial, then tell us Why The Soul dies in Isaiah 53:11,12 ? Many translation even use soul directly .


That's the question , stop running



Nephesh is Soul. NWT wrote it, KJV used it , others used it too . u are grabbing straws.

How can Jesus pour an immaterial soul to death ?

Let me help you with this because I know your understanding is far below.

[b]Barnes Commentary: Because he hath poured out his soul unto death - His triumphs would be an appropriate reward for his sufferings, his death, and his intercession. The expression 'he poured out his soul,' or his life ( נפשׁו napeshô; see the notes at Isaiah 53:10 ), is derived from the fact that the life was supposed to reside in the blood (see the notes at Romans 3:25 ); and that when the blood was poured out, the life was supposed to flow forth with it. As a reward for his having thus laid down his life, he would extend his triumphs over the whole world, and subdue the most mighty to himself.

Jemieson-fassuet Commentary: poured out … soul—that is, His life, which was considered as residing in the blood (Le 17:11; Ro 3:25).

Matthew Poole's Commentary: Because he hath poured out his soul unto death; because he willingly laid down his life in obedience to God’s command, John 10:17 ,18 , and in order to the redemption of mankind. Death is here called a pouring out of the soul, or life , either because the soul or life, which in living men is contained in the body, is turned out of the body by death; or to signify the manner of Christ’s death, that it should be with the shedding of his blood, in which the life of man consists, Leviticus 17:11 ,14 .

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges: because he poured out (omit “hath” with R.V.) his soul ] his blood, which is the seat of life; Leviticus 17:11 . For the expression cf.
Psalm 141:8[/b]

Only a biased person wouldn't see the point I'm diving into here...

The content of Isaiah 53 wasn't about the material (physical body) but immaterial that's why even NWT can use LIFE...

I challenge you to give me a scholar who explain Isaiah 53 as a physical body.

OneJ:
For your mind ..... Lol.
U ain't got nothing to expose ...
U will end up exposing your lies

But you hide the critical part of that verse with (...) just as your organization usually does.

Jozzy4:
Your Image is not You!!!


Image definition:

a representation of the external form of a person or thing in art.
Barrister , don't waste energy with this man. He have captured himself

The body is Just an ordinary Image/represetation of the invisible soul ( Which is the actual person).

The Op question is: Is it the actual person ( Invisible Soul ) that died or ordinary representation ?

I know you lack understand

So you took the image of my statement as just representation of something....SMH

What your invisible person looks like is what your Body will reflect, that's image I mean. Olodo!

Lastly, without the BODY you're not a PERSON in this PHYSICAL WORLD. Get that into your dull skull!

Do I need to explain this to your junior brother in primary school so that he can help me to explain it to you?

Jozzy4:
U have entered on chance, So you need to do that cover up

Soul is Body ?

If soul is body, do you now agree Soul die ?

I don't know why simple comprehension is sooooo hard for you guys.

My point there, is to show you that the content of Isa 53:11-12 supported immaterial than material which is even the reason why NWT uses LIFE...

Have tutor your brother about different meanings of Hebrew or Greek words.

TATIME:
BODY is the matter you're carrying about, with your BODY you have weight and occupies space and it's the BODY that's seen as responsible for delivering whatever you have in mind. If you wish now to be in America, it's the body that serves as hindrance to your movement because it's a "matter".
SOUL is the LEGACY you left behind, all that you did and accomplished while you're still alive, so while the BODY is what everyone sees God sees both the BODY and all that you're within. That's why Jesus said fear not those who can kill the body but cannot kill the soul.(humans) But fear the one who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna.(God) God has the ability to kill and destroy all that a person left behind if it's not instituted according to HIS will.

You have started in your delicious again and I can't stop laughing on the length you people can go just to defend your organization and not the truth of the scripture.

If Soul is a LEGACY left behind (which is immaterial), while are you referring to SOUL Jesus talked about as HUMAN again?

Again Jesus statement said "...destroyed both body and soul in Gehenna" yet soul is what you left behind.

Then this topic might not be for you

Go back to the OP or your organization, you'll know that what they mean is BODY and SOUL are the same

Even the OP stress on this by asking, "is the soul IMMORTAL?"

Jozzy4:
Both body and body right ? Calm down, even that verse exposed your lies.

- If the verse is teaching immortal soul, Do you agree BODY also go to hell ? KJV

Secondly , how does it support you since humans kill souls in the bible ?

Yes body and body since you JWs is claiming that Body(you) is the same thing with soul(which is also you)

Did Jesus statement show distinction between Body and Soul in that verse?

That's the question.

About hell "Gehenna" have different meaning just like every other Greek or Hebrew words.

Luke 12:5 also shield more light to it
Moreover, I say to you, my friends, do not fear those who kill the body and after this are not able to do anything more. But I will show you whom to fear: Fear the One who after killing has authority to throw into Ge·henʹna. Yes, I tell you, fear this One. NWT

From this passage it's evident that:
1. Body was used and NOT A PERSON
2. Both God and man can KILL
3. But man can only kill AFTER THAT they can't do anything
4. But God can kill AFTER He kill He can then throw your remain into Gehenna.

But you people will overlook all this self explanatory statement but still living in delusion.

TATIME:
Your mother remains important to you even at death but at the mortuary the workers treats her just like any other dead. Because to them she's just a dead BODY but to you that's the SOUL who gave birth,fed,clothe and spent all she had to take good care of you. To the mortuary attendant in parts or the dead BODY as a whole could be exchanged for cash but you'll never sell your mother even at death because she meant a lot to you as a SOUL. So like the mortuary attendant,to Jesus BODIES meant the same but SOULS matters due to the legacy they left behind. Luke 9:60

So what is body?
What is soul?

OneJ:
U are a soul, the total package. Made of dust & the breath of life,or life force (spirit). Gen 2:7.

The soul is not something that resides in U, but U,yourself.

Then why did Jesus said people can kill the BODY but can't Kill the SOUL?

Let me translate that Matt 10:28 for you as your claim.

"And do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the body; rather, fear him who can destroy both body and body in Ge·henʹna NWT Matt 10:28

This is the perfect translation for JWs...

Walspring:
You can get M1 but it's for vocational and technical students

Oh thanks very much

Barristter07:


You are very dishonest.

The article didn't just talk about soul living in a body. It says the person is that soul.

" every PERSON you have ever met is a Soul " !!!

Living persons this is while they are alive not just dead . I will revisit the loopholes in your first response.

Read the above again and again

The other site states " YOU ARE A SOUL " , who is You ? Soul. It now adds " You have a body "

Both emphasized that the Soul is the actually person . but having a body.






their Real intent has been exposed above , Yoi are Soul . just having a body



Just a body the Soul [ Jesus] lives in.

' You are a soul , You HAVE a body ' got question

So clear

Your delusions are getting clearer.

So the soul is the person but what of the body
Can you see where your ignorance exposed?

Without the body can you know the person of the soul on this earth?

No amount of dribbling can save you out of this . NWT footnote " OR SOUL " .


Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong, because he poured out his soul to death and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and makes intercession for the transgressors. " Isaiah 53:12 ESV , KJV too

So Can you see his Soul have to die?

I can't stop laughing at you...
So Jesus POURED his soul(body) to death, how can a person be poured?

Like I said to your brother, one of the reasons why JWs rejected the personhood of the Holy Spirit is because they said Bible describes Holy Spirit as being POURED upon people. Then concluded a person cant be poured.

But here you're trying to claim now that a person was POURED to death.

The reason why the content of that scripture supported life than just ordinary BODY is because of the preceding statement POUR OUT...that's why even your NWT could use LIFE...

Barristter07:
It's not an exagerration to say you are confused yourself .

Am addressing the Red part , Biggest dishonesty ever exhibited.

The Website refers to a living person as the Soul.

Every PERSON you have ever met, Is a Soul

While they are alive contrary to your claim.

You later admit the Soul is the actual person , But added a Clause , after death .

Gradually it would be exposed.

The question regarding that phrase: part of a person is:

If the Soul is just the part of a person ,For the person to be declared dead , Will the soul not die ?

Is the person dead if the persons part is alive ??

REGARDING the clause. After death



The same person that once have a body ?

I have shown how your. dishonesty is about those articles.

Soul can't die

What I mean by after death is...why the soul is still inside the body, the body expresses the IMAGE of the invincible soul inside after death the physical image is gone leaving the invincible image of the soul which can only be seen spiritually.

OneJ:
1) To quote U "Jesus said body can be kill but soul can't be kill"
Christ pointed out " Be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul & body in hell".
If Arsenal can not beat Man Utd but Chelsea beats Man Utd, does it mean that Man Utd is Unbeatable ?
Receive sense..
Hebrew word for body 'quivah ' meaning living human (that is, a person, living being ) This is synonymous with nephesh (soul,person, living being). If a living being,a soul lives, likewise, dead being, a dead soul exists.
Receive sense !
Why are U guys afraid of references to Hebrew & Greek? The answer is obvious. It's is the authentic means to expose your lies.

This statement of yours is the one that buried your argument..."To quote U "Jesus said body can be kill but soul can't be kill"

See your wack analogy, Arsenal and Man Utd.

The statement of Jesus indicated that NO HUMAN CAN KILL the Soul even though they can kill the body but TO DESTROY the Soul, it's what ONLY GOD can do.

Notice the interchange words KILL and DESTROY

2) U said "If soul means life, then we can equally say soul means emotion,passion, desire" Yes.
But in the context of Matt10:28, soul strictly means life, person, living being.
For instance," Engaged" means busy or 'about to marry'. If someone asks "what's your marital status", but U being a married man replied 'i'm engaged' . It's way out of context.

So you mean Jesus didn't know what He was saying when He said "And do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul;"

It's very evident that Jesus sets the distinction between BODY AND SOUL in the verse but you twister twisted it to suit your lies.

3) U said" Jehovah didn't leave Jesus soul in hell". Don't get it twisted out of context.
That statement means that " the person (the soul) we call Jesus was resurrected as a spirit being ("made alive in the spirit" by Jehovah God. 1 Pet 3:18.
In other words, God brought Christ (resurrected him) back to existence with the body of a spirit (spiritual body like that of angels). 1 cor 15:44,-47.
Receive sense..

But the person (the soul) we call Jesus was no more IN THE GRAVE...what then did Jehovah resurrect?

Nothing of the person we called Jesus was in the grave;
>His body vanished
>His soul was actually the body that vanished

Then what was in the grave that Jehovah resurrected

Please house, can another type of visa be given to study in US apart from F-1 or J-1?

MightySparrow:
Taking heb. 10: 10 and john 6: 51 only seem not to go along with the trend, just an observation

You haven't said anything yet, what are those verses intended to proof

MightySparrow:
pls read Heb. 10: 1 - 10; John 6: 22 - 51 and explain. the discourse is getting interesting.

I should read, without knowing the point I want to derive from there...

Now see how you stylishly boycotted Matt 10:28 in your reply.

Jesus said BODY can be kill BUT SOUL can't be kill...

Isn't this enough great evident that SOUL is different from BODY?

OneJ:
source : biblehub.com (nephesh)
Definition
a soul, living being,life, self,person, desire, passion ,appetite, emotion"

Nephesh , soul means life. Therefore its stupidity to quarrel with NWT

Now you've said SOUL=LIFE even when it's obvious from the definition you gave...isn't this delusion?

So if soul means LIFE then we can equally say SOUL means EMOTION, PASSION, desire...

I didn't quarrel with NWT but stating the reason why NWT used LIFE instead of Soul...
Life, Emotion, Passion can be POURED but a soul can't be poured according to your rejection of the personhood of the Holy Spirit.

The soul that sinneth shalt die but the soul justifieth righteous shall live.
Christ pointed out that the soul can be destroyed, that's proof of mortality , block heads !
Where una see spirit being in the definition of soul (nephesh)?

Christ ONLY said the SOUL can be destroyed BY GOD only, He said people can kill the BODY but can't do the same to the SOUL.

Why are you so dishonest with that verse?

"The bread I shall give is my flesh in behalf of the life of the world" John 6:51.
"for the son of man....give his life as a RANSOM for many" Mark 10:45
"the SACRIFICE of the body of Jesus Christ once for all Hebrew10:10.

Ransom
". To redeem from captivity, bondage, etc by paying a demanded price"
Sacrifice
"Christ offering of himself "
Source: dictionary.cambridge.org

When u give offering today, shey U go collect am back by fire by force?
What u give as sacrifice ( call am sow seed or any name u want, shey U done take am back?
Una stupidity get PhD. , professorship.

But you're the one who quote Psalms to prove that Jehovah didn't leave Jesus SOUL in the hell.

So isn't SOUL supposed to be the ACUTAL PERSON again?

That was why I asked, what did Jehovah do with Jesus body... the only thing you can do is to change SOUL to mean RAISED in spirit life.

Yet you're still fighting tooth and nail that SOUL IS the Body.

What did Christ voluntarily gave as ransom? His perfect life( soul,flesh).
"Christ was put to death in the flesh but made alive (resurrected) in the spirit"
"It is sown a natural (fleshly) body,it is raised a spiritual body... the first man Adam became a living being (living soul), the last Adam (Christ) a life giving spirit" 1 cor 15:44-47.

He was resurrected with a spiritual body, with the power to materialize into human body (Luke 24:36-39) that is why his apostles couldnt recognize him . Angels did that too when they visited Lot ,Abraham etc. Lazarus was resurrected with same body he died with . He never sacrificed his life as a ransom for the sins of many, which Jesus did.
Receive sense.

All you're doing here is putting you into more confusion.
Your claim is SOUL is actually the PERSON now for you to explain away Jehovah not leaving Jesus SOUL in hell away, you change it to SPIRIT life...

You're still perambulating,

1. Jesus has a body without anything that survived after death
2. This body went to the grave which means NOTHING exist about Jesus again (base on your logic)
3. Yet Jehovah resurrected the dead Jesus (remember nothing about Jesus exist again)
4. What then did Jehovah resurrect from Jesus Christ?

Your claim here is perfectly fit into RECREATION not RESURRECTION which your organization also agreed with.

So basically you people go against Scripture because Bible never teaches recreation.

I know you'll run away from again after I exposed your lies in the other thread.

OneJ:
"What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world,yet forfeits his soul?" Matt 16:26.

"... be afraid of the One who can DESTROY both SOUL & body in Gehenna" Matt 10:28.

Jesus Christ actually confirmed that the soul is very mortal, contrary to Greek philosophical thought founded on pagan ideas & beliefs which has become popular in Christendom .
Besides, Christ knew how man (Adam) was created. He is a very credible & reliable source of truth about the soul.

You can still went ahead to use Matt10:28 when the said verse crumble your lie...

Just as usual and common with your organization you used (...) to hide the most important part of that verse, simply because you know it exposes your lie.

Atheists will tell you that if you use microscope you'll see the shadow...

OneJ:
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"Thou wilt not leave my soul in hell" ps 16:10, Acts 2:27,31 gives U, the precise answer: God resurrected Jesus from hell on the 3rd day, to live as a spirit being.
"He was put to death in the body but made alive in the spirit " 1 pet 3:18. 1 cor 15:43-47.
Christ offered his perfect life, his soul as a ransom sacrifice Mark 10:45.

Now see the irony of your post!
1. Humans (Including Jesus) don't have anything that lives on after they died.
2. Jesus died and gave His body(SOUL)...meaning, the day Jesus died nothing on Him was live.
3. Jesus' body was never found...since Jesus didn't take it back...
4. Yet Jehovah didn't leave Jesus body in hell...which you tactically change to RESURRECTION...
5. Also, Jehovah RESURRECTED Jesus Christ...

Now, in line of this, WHAT ACTUALLY DID JEHOVAH RESURRECTED from the dead Jesus Christ? Since, Jesus body is gone and no soul that survived the death....

Look at what your own organization has to say about resurrection "In the Bible, the word translated as “resurrection” comes from the Greek
a·naʹsta·sis, which means “raising up” or “standing up again.” A person who is resurrected is raised up from death and restored to life as the person he was before. —1 Corinthians 15:12, 13

Christ offered his soul, perfect life as a sacrifice to ransom mankind from bandage of sin & death.
if made a sacrifice, can U take your sacrifice back?
The person who pays a ransom to secure the release of his friend, does he get that ransom back ?
what Jesus paid as ransom sacrifice, he did not take it back.
why is this so hard for U to understand?

If Jesus didn't take the body back, what then did Jehovah take out of hell since he didn't leave Jesus soul(body) in hell?

Why is simple English so hard for you to understand

Jesus said be afraid of the One who can destroy both body & soul. Matt 10:28. By that, Jesus already confirmed that the soul is NOT immortal.
Pls note the word Christ used : "both body & soul " , he emphasized that both are together , still the same thing.

Imagine, and you can lie without shame like this.

Jesus means both BODY and SOUL are the same.. yet the preceding statement read... "and fear not THEM which KILL THE BODY, but are not ABLE to kill the SOUL: KJV

And do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather, fear him who can destroy both soul and body in Ge·henʹna. NWT

This verse is so self explanatory enough that people can KILL the BODY but can't KILL the SOUL but it's only God who can destroy both Body and Soul.

So why did Jesus separate body from soul in the first part?

Christ is showing us that his Father has the authority to destroy the soul,that is termination of the wicked man's prospect of eternal life.
For instance, the destruction of the wicked souls of Noah's day with a great deluge.
Abeg go enrol for English language tutorial. U need am well well.
Pray to receive God's spirit of understanding & wisdom

But the preceding statement was cleared that Jesus spoke about people who kill the body but CAN'T kill soul...

Why would Jesus contradict himself by saying the BODY can be kill but the soul can't be kill by people if both soul and body mean the same thing?

I believe you never see this coming....

The spell from GB must clear from your eyes...it's so evident that watchtower and awake has blocked your eyes from Biblical truth.