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gurunlocker:
I'm sure they will recover the stolen vehicle soon..... This is a customized vehicle, the thieve is dunce.

If it took a thief less than 25sec to steal a car, calculate how many minutes it will take the thief to dismantle the car?

GboyegaD:
No you cannot. Myself and many others got our 1st Visa on virgin passport.

waooo thanks for this encouragement

OneJ:
alBHAGDADI, For instance, U have an STD /venereal infection as a result of fornication, would that infection be in your blood stream? Yes or no .

Then will you contact this true se.x also?

OneJ:
Clever sophistry.

Did Jesus apostles & disciples ever consumed his blood?

I know small small you'll begin to deny the scripture just to continue to wallow in your delusions.

"Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. John 6:53-57

Jesus statement here is far realistic than that of David but you people uphold David own above Jesus Christ. Did I surprise? Absolutely Not! because I know you people don't have real Jesus.

Jesus went further to proof this by raising a cup and says "...this cup is the new testament IN MY BLOOD,..."

Not only did the apostles drink it but continue the practice as instructed by Jesus.

I said it you people must find a way to exclude Jesus from this.

in the context of Acts 15:20,29, U already know the meaning of "abstain".

when U eat strangled meat, have U abstained from blood? When U do blood oath, have U abstained from blood? When U fornicate,have U abstained from blood?

[b[In all these instances stated above, blood from another source enters your blood stream.[/b]

That is what your Bible condemns.


Blood transfusions is "the transfer of blood or blood products from one person (donor) into another person's blood stream (recipient)"
Source: medicine.net.

when U do blood transfusions , have U abstained from blood?
Shalom

You have shot yourself in the leg @bolden & @color

I asked your colleague the other time whether when he disvirgin his wife he Abstain from blood or not.

Now, you've confirmed it that through FORNICATION blood is transferred.

and I remembered Albahgbadi said it that through sexual intercorse blood is transferred but you people denied it.

You can see how you later agreed with it.

I'll now put the question back, if you have intercorse with your wife, have you abstained from blood?

Barristter07:
That of David is a principle, Jesus was establishing a Covenant .

I known you will twist it but I won't allow that.

Do you drink the blood of Jesus as a covenant practice or the covenant stopped after Jesus established it?

Let's see whether the holy communion you've been partaking with JWs all these while are in vain.

I know if possible for you people you can tell us that the verse doesn't include Jesus blood.

Someone already explains that abstain has nothing to do with touch , the Early Christians recognize that the priest at the temple comes in contact with blood in the discharge of their duty.


Humans bleed when injured and preserving the wound's would require contact with blood ( See the story of the Good Samaritan Luke 10:34)

Your reasoning is flawed , it deals with consumption . and earlier it has been established that this includes both man and animals blood .

The person explained nothing.
The verse says ABSTAIN never specified whether to touch or inject, you're the one who differentiate it.

Abstain also mean avoid contact.... just proof me wrong on that first.

OneJ:
Leviticus 17:14
" You must not eat the blood of any creature". Emusan, are U a creature? Is man a creature?
Yes or no.

When some one sick is unable to feed, through the mouth, how are they fed ? They are given intravenous fluid ( also called a drip).

(Source: wikipedia)
The drip is given with a "needle insertion directly into the vein and the substance is directly delivered into the blood stream"


(https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/blood-transfusions/about/pac-20385168)

What is blood transfusion?
When "an intravenous ( IV) line with a needle is inserted into one of your blood vessels (your vein). The donated blood that's been stored in a bag enters your blood stream through the IV line".

"intravenous therapy maybe used for fluid replacement (such as correcting dehydration),
....and for blood transfusions"
(Source: wikipedia).

Intravenous fluid intake pass from the needle through the vein and into the blood stream in the same manner that blood transfusions moves from the needle into the vein and direct to the blood stream.

Is intravenous fluid intake feeding? Yes.
Is blood transfusions feeding ? Yes.

"Abstain from blood" is in other words, do not take the blood (or eat the blood ) of any creature ( into your body).


See as all of una dey lie, lie & deceive yourselves.

Just as @Hairyrapunzel has rightly said, you didn't quote the verse from previous verses which is a normal way of JWs including their GB.

Are you an animal?

Because everyone can see that the verse is talking about eating of ANIMALS with cold blood.

It's so funny seeing you said blood transfusion is also feeding of blood...when will you be cured of this self delusions?

Now you can only limit ABSTAIN FROM BLOOD just to don't take the blood of ANY creature into your body when the Bible actually specified the CREATURES.

God will forgive you for the way you do twist the scripture.

Isn't abstain from blood also mean don't TOUCH or GET in contact which ANY Blood?

Besides, are you not drinking the blood of Jesus through communion?

Peacefullove:
Flesh = house

Spirit/Soul = Real person

I clarified that it's the house that died, NOT JESUS HIMSELF, Agree ?



Since that spirit is the real person ( Jesus ) , It means Jesus never died .agree ?

So what is the name of the house that died?

Yet your ignorance of what those people mean is very glaring.

You just want to be spoon feed like a little kid.

Your BODY is your PHYSICAL PERSON why your spirit is the SPIRITUAL person.

What is so difficult for you to grab in this? when we're not dealing with nursery school students.

I did this just to end my discussion with you because I know this won't satisfy you.

Peacefullove:
So it's no longer Christ but the animals that have been slained from.the FOUNDATION of the world.

But this was not your earlier position: , you quote that portion to justify the statement below and escape .



Since We now established Christ wasn't offered as sacrifice until he came to the world , Is the Blood of goats and sheep Enough to grant old testament saint " The way " to heaven ?

Just like I said early, you always look for what didn't lost yet claiming to wise.

Christ has been slain since the foundation of the world...
This can be perfectly described as ALL SACRIFICES are modeled or pointed towards the reality of the real sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

What do I mean by this?
An old engineer designed a structure this includes the paper work, computer module, and Cardboard modeling.
Here this old engineer has already picture the finishing physical structure even though structure isn't erected.

Without erecting this structure, this engineer only in anticipation and hoping towards the day this structure will become reality.

NOTE: The materials used by this engineer are of different types but the ACTUAL materials needed for the structure is already in the mind of this engineer.

Now the question:
1. Does this engineer design different from the actual structure even it the structure takes thousands of years before finally erected? No!
2. Does this engineer design work negate the reality of the structure? No!
3. Does this engineer design work pointing towards the actualization of the finishing structure? Yes!

In conclusion:
1. Christ has been slain from the foundation of the world.
2. This means people now have something to picture/model their salvation after.
3. The main point is "without shedding of blood there is no remission" so animals (like the engineer who uses other materials for his design) blood were used by people of old not that animals blood can take away sin but just a pointer to the real sacrificial blood of Christ.
4. The shedding of animals blood by these people only make them to have hope on the finishing one done by Christ Jesus.

Then you can now appreciate it when the Bible says "For by single offering he has brought to the GOAL FOR ALL TIME those who are being set apart for God and made holy." Heb 10:14 JB

Some versions use "MADE PERFECT" this means it's until Christ finally died (completing the finishing structure) that the works of those Old people were perfected.

That's why the Bible says "In burnt offerings and sacrifices for SIN thou hast had no pleasure"

Short answer:
They did animal sacrifices in anticipation of the actual one Christ will come to do not that by killing animals was actually their way of salvation.

Peacefullove:
No Sir, am not saying it must be different . In fact am sure you have gotten my point, I don't know why you are pretending not to.

The same people that say man is body, soul and spirit ALSo say and " Man is a Spirit, housed in a body "

From that we can deduce two things.

- Man himself is a spirit.

- Body is just a house NOT the man.

So am asking if Man is a spirit , How could Jesus person die ?

Note: Body or flesh is just a house or structure for the real person .

So if body is just the house, why then you still agreed that someone died?

The truth is you know perfectly what it means by "body is where the spirit resides" but still trying to find what didn't miss.

Peacefullove:
Calm down , u still don't get it.

Is the Flesh the real person or ordinary structure that house the real. Person ?

I don't or you don't

If not the FLESH will you have known anybody called Yeshua?

People do say, man is body, soul and spirit yet you agree that man can die but in case of Jesus it must be different.

Peacefullove:
You said The Lamb Christ HAD been slain before the founding of the world. ( A Past. Event)

Then when he came to the world as human, Yeshua was Slained AGAIN ( second time )

Can you decode now ?

SMH and you'll be claiming you're among the intellectual one.

Slain from the foundation of the world means those Animal sacrifices are just the Antitype of Tue reality of the human Christ.

If you can't decode this....sorry I can't help you further.

Either Paul lied that Christ was offered once or you are the one telling lies.

When you lack the ability to comprehend it, how will you not confuse?

Make me understand, Does it mean Sheep and Goats blood were enough to grant them heaven without Jesus ?

You can't understand because you're not here to learn. So no amount of my word that can change what you already conceived but for better understand go and read the book of Hebrew from beginning to the end. So anyhow you understand it live with it.

Peacefullove:
1. Based on the bolded, Can we admit Jesus never really die for anyone ?

If not because of your ITK someone said the BODY DIED but you still went ahead to ask "Christ never died for anoyone"

What of the FLESH that died

2. How come the old testament saints make heaven without Jesus ? Or didn't Moses, Abraham and others make heaven without him ?

Expecting your response

You read my previous post

Peacefullove:
So Paul Lied that Christ was offered ONCE?

Then where did you read it that Christ was offered twice

I too know man!

Until the Reality is demonstrated, Does it mean the blood of goat and sheep's still gave salvation to old testament saints ?


My other question is still pending .

Only if you understand what you quote in the first place.

Barristter07:
Since you can't refute that , you went back to your traditional error.

Leviticus 17:11 blood of ANY creature . your thoughts are not according to the scripture .

Even David won't agree with you



You admit this


" David likened the water to the blood of the men that risked their lives to fetch it for him"
- AlBHAGDADI

He treated the water as he would treat Blood. Poured it out!!!



Your reasoning is weak. Which blood is exchanged during Sex ?


Just admit your defence is weak.. You are going against the bible by intravenously receiving blood Just like a gullible person who thinks he abstain from fornication because he does it through Anal.

So funny of you guys.

You agreed that David linked the water to his men blood proof a point but Jesus linked His own blood to wine isn't real.

Between if I disvirgin my wife did I abstain from blood?

Maybe you use another thing to disvirgin your wife or she's not a virgin...

Abdulgaffar22:
Get me clear very well. This is my point of argument; If Jesus crucifixion(J/C) is THE ONLY WAY to salvation for both the Old and the New Testament believers, then J/C must definitely had effect on the Old Testament believers like Abraham, Moses, Isaac and the likes.

You're just shouting up and down on what you don't know! Seek knowledge you refuse yet using Quran glass to interpret Bible.

Christ crucifixion is an antitypes of Animal sacrifices in the Old Testament, the Bible says the Lamb which represents Christ had been SLAIN from the foundation of the world. That's why there's what we called BIBLICAL CONSUMMATION! meaning how Christ basically fulfilled some Old Testament practices in His life and teachings.

But there is no way for the J/C to have any effect on them while they were on the surface of the earth because they have lived and died BEFORE the J/C. Therefore, the only thing left for the J/C to act upon is their souls.

Christ has been active on earth before He was born in Bethlehem. Christ's coming into the world is to demonstrate the reality of Old Testament practice.

If a road engineer designed a road on paper, can this engineer direct someone through the path of this road even if the road isn't physically constructed on ground? Yes he can!

I know you might understand this illustration.

31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’”
You can see that even AT THE TIME OF MOSES( verse 29- 31), the SEPERATION of the righteous from the wicked by a GREAT GULF has taken place. Lazarus is in the bossom of Abraham receiving a certain form of "COMFORT"( verse 25) while the rich man is being TORMENTED in a flame(verse 24) We can see that Lazarus has attained a certain state of salvation. It is just a matter of time that remained for him to enter the paradise on the day of general resurrection. But the rich man has received the condemnation by being tormented in the flame of fire. All this is happening BEFORE the alleged Jesus crucifixion. Have you now agreed that Jesus crucifixion has contributed NOTHING to the COMFORT OF SALVATION received by Lazarus and all other righteous Old testament believers. Therefore Jesus crucifixion is NOT the only way to salvation. If this is true, then there is alternative way to salvation. And if there is alternative way to salvation, then God must have answered Jesus prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane when he asked for the cup of crucifixion to be taken away from him in three different consecutive times (Matthew 26:36-44). Therefore, Jesus must have escaped the crucifixion as confirmed by the Qur'an.
But if you want to argue further that despite the COMFORT OF SALVATION that Lazarus received in the bossom of Abraham, there is still need for Jesus crucifixion to make him and all other Old Testament believers to MOVE from "THIS STATE OF COMFORT" to "ANOTHER STATE OF COMFORT" in paradise, then it is now left for you to BRING A BIBLICAL EVIDENCE to support your stand.
I have seen your question. I will definitely answer you. But let us through with this issue of Jesus crucifixion. Thanks.

Firstly, it's just so unfortunate that out of ignorance you keep turning Bible down just to propagate your fake Islam.

secondly, Jesus didn't allude to an event that is taking place in real time event but as a STORY to drive a point.

Thirdly, so unfortunate that the point Christ was driving was totally neglected by you but went ahead to distort the Holy Bible.

Lastly, I purposely bolden the part you neglected, just as you're still confusing about Christ crucifixion neither will you be persuaded by one rising from dead to a new life.

Abdulgaffar22:
"Sinful nature came when Adam disobeyed God". This is a FLAT CONTRADICTION. Think about your statement very well. How was he able to disobey God if he did not posses a sinful nature? Have you seen your contradiction?

It looks contradictory to you because you're still putting on the wrong glass.
Let me come down to your level at first I thought you have comprehension skill to grab my point without wasting much time.

1. Adam was created with a body that can't die which is uncorruptible
2. Adam nature don't know evil i.e can't lie, cheat, kill e.t.c
NOTE: These are sum up in what you called BLISSFUL LIFE which means had been Adam didn't disobeyed God earth will have been a Man's Paradise.

Now after Adam disobeyed God, the body can die and prone to kill, cheat and even do any evil.

The Adam's disobedient is what brought all these and if Adam didn't disobey God meaning ALL THESE wouldn't be found in his NATURE.

Adam did not created with sin(he was pure) but he was created with a "sinful nature"; Otherwise he would not be able to disobey God AT FIRST INSTANCE.
HAVE YOU NOW SEEN HOW THE MANSION OF YOUR ARGUMENT CRUMBLE RIGHTLY FROM FOUNDATION.

This is how you'll know that you're the very person whose argument crumbled and contradicted.

Even your Qur'an agreed that Iblis deceived some Angels were others are not deceived. Does it mean those angels that were deceived by iblis were created with a sinful nature and the one that weren't deceived have a nature that can't be corrupted?

All angels and Adam all have FREEWILL yet some Angels can rebel why some can't.

But for the sake of argument, let us assume that sinful nature of Adam came in after he disobeyed God. Now explain to us EXACTLY how the Jesus crucifixion manage to solve this "problem of our sinful nature".

Now Jesus Crucifixion solved the problem by demonstrating to us that AFTER resurrection we will die NO MORE! I know your Qur'an also promised this.

I know your understanding of this is, immediately Jesus was crucified the whole earth supposed to free from sin.

Mind you, this is just a summary of it time and space won't allow me to.

The consequence of the sin of Adam that make us to dwell on Earth is "Anger from God". This anger was subside after God has pardoned Adam. But it was already in the divine plan that we human being will spend a time in this life of hardship before we get back to paradise, a life of bliss.

Just see the way you're contradicting yourself, God got angry after he has already planned it by himself.

Besides, if God's anger was subsided after pardoned Adam and Adam has already repented, why pushing Adam and His descendants to experience hardship again?
Why subjecting a righteous person to hardship and evil world? Can you see the reason why your Qur'an failed?

Compare this to Holy Bible that said both righteous and evil doer are in this world because of the sin of Adam and have right to make their choice.

The wisdom behind all this is that it will help us to appreciate what God has done for us in paradise. If we have never tasted the life of hardship in this world, there is NO WAY WE CAN APPRECIATE the life of bliss in paradise.

No! one thing you failed to point out is DEATH if Adam didn't disobey God, will he have died in the Paradise? If Yes! That means people will still die in Allah Paradise...
If No! Then it means Adam wasn't created to die in the first place but something happened later.

You see you can't eat your cake and have it.
It's either you agreed that Adam disobedient is what that caused all this calamities on earth or you agree that Allah's Paradise will still full of death.

Am I not making sense? Pls also help enilove to do to his assignment up there . Thanks

Well you can make sense to yourself but an open-minded person following this conversation can see who is making the senses.

Boycotting questions and cherry picking the ones you find easy to reply is what you called making sense.

By the way, you didn't answer my question.
Why will Qur'an talk about resurrection, if not to restore man back to their original state?

eyinjuege:
No need to be sorry.
I guess it's easier to assume that because I've been quite vocal about allowing others exercising their right to he choice of medical treatment.
I honestly don't have problems with JWs, and I doubt those speaking against them do as individuals.
They are interested in the discussion, I'm really not interested in interpreting the bible for anyone. We all have eyes to read and listen, so they can equally do that. My own interpretation may be different from theirs/yours, but i will stick to mine and be true to myself, which I believe is the most important thing.

I can deduce that you don't understand what this thread is all about or the reason why main stream Christians are not in support of JW.

What we're basically saying is this, if JW refuse blood transfusion based on their own Knowledge with a clause that will be fine but going about deceiving people including their own member that BIBLE AGAINST SUCH ACT is what we're saying here.

mvem:
...i stand to be corrected... Our region avoided the fault lines at the tectonic plates which are the cause of the earthquake... We can have earth tremors like every other place which can be as a result of mining, bomb blast or anything that disturbs the earth crust... But we can never have an earth quake... Most of Africa avoided the fault line... Please try and know the geological reason why most of Africa don't have an earth quake except the Ethiopian and Egypt region that have fault lines in the crust... Most of us are ignorant and you are one of them

You're just ranting here about Tectonic plate as if you're part of the earth crust itself. Even the scientists can't be so confident in their saying the way you're just shouting up and down here.

That's how some of you will sit in south-south, south west or south east and be arguing about the issue of Boko Haram in the North.

Many people from different locations have said it here how they experience this scenario which has never been like this before in Abuja yet you're still wallowing in your delusion of mining and rock blast.

Even the deadly 2014 Yanyan bomb blast wasn't felt in AYA

Rottymy:
Where is the best place to stay in Suleja, if you are working in Abuja?

Why going to suleja when you can get the same accommodation you're looking for in suleja in Kubwa or Dutse? Both were very close to town!

cherriex:
It can't be quarry, I felt it this morning, and I am in kado estate, never heard any quarry blast around here, besides its not a sound, it's a shaking nd am upstairs yet felt it. Am actually scared.

Don't mind the dude, that's how they sit in there comfort zone and being using their keypad to analysis what they don't know.

Something that we in Kubwa felt even my window vibrated.

Neoteny:
Can't be an earthquake. We're not on any tectonic fault lines. Most likely quarry blast.

The government info seems so uncertain and uninformed. As usual.

What a country!

Will you keep quiet? Which kin quarry blast? Is it today they have been blasting rocks in Abuja?

How come the one that happened this morning was felt all the way from Kubwa? I guess only you know how far Kubwa is to mpape

LordReed:
A massive one just occurred 5mins ago.

We can even feel it in Kubwa here.

If I'm not in Abuja I might think you're lying.

marttol:
I mean you are praying a particular prayer, someone else now came to you in the next morning that they had a dream, which is related to the prayer you are praying... Is it possible??

During my NYSC in Cross River some years back, it was on Saturday night I had a terrible dream but on the dream it was on Friday night.

The dream was about community clashes that resulted to killings of whoever you can lay your hands upon but one good thing is that the indigenes of the community I was, were seriously fighting to protect all the corpers in their community even putting their live on the line.

I woke up with a heavy heart which is on Saturday (still on the dream but in reality it is Sunday morning) then begin to narrate the dream to my fellow corpers so all of us begin to get scared but I said something at end: I said, "if this dream is true let Pastor confirmed it tomorrow in the church." and I woke to life which is on Sunday morning.

As usual, we went for service and everything went well and we closed but something happened shortly after we closed.

We have even shared the grace about to disperse, Pastor just shout; Please everybody come back, nobody should leave! We came and the man said we need to pray especially for corpers that he had a dream THREE TIMES that there's something like a fight between two communities and blood was flowing.

Belove, I was dumbfounded! So this dream is actually true? is the question I asked myself. On getting home, I told my colleagues, do you know that the prayer point Pastor raised after we closed I had the same dream? I then narrate it. They were very surprised.

Lo and behold, that same weekend there was a clash between two communities THOUGH not where I was but a village next to us. To God be the Glory all the corpers were evacuated and people died in the clash.

Yes it can!

Abdulgaffar22:
You have not answered my question; How did Adam get his own sinful nature?

The sinful nature came when he disobeyed God, that's why he can die before Adam wasn't created to die.

Is God not capable of creating him like an holy angel?

Then who told you he wasn't created pure?
Was your jibril created pure by Allah before disobeying Allah?

Have you now seen that it is just how God created everyone of us from the beginning. We are created as such so that the attribute of All- forgiving God can be displayed on earth; We did not inherit it from Adam.

This us how you'll know that copy what you don't have knowledge of could be so disastrous.

If Allah created you just to be sinning and die, so that he could proof that he is allforgiving. What will now happen to his attribute of Allforgiving after the judgement day?

If we didn't inherent it from Adam. I ask again, what is then the CONSEQUENCE of Adam sin we are still suffering from today?
Don't ignore my question again if not I won't reply you.

Jesus himself did not teach this doctrine. He rather disproved it . Read below;
Then they brought little children to Him, that He might touch them; but the disciples rebuked those who brought them. But when Jesus saw it, He was greatly displeased and said to them, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; FOR OF SUCH ARE THE KINGDOM OF GOD. (Mark 10:13-14). the concept of original sin is true and ALL the children of Adam are under curse of God due to Adam's disobedience, , then the all the children of Adam that die at a very young age will be AUTOMATICALLY entitled to be condemned in Hell. But Jesus statement cited above clearly opposed this.

Another misinterpretation of Jesus' statement.
What Jesus meant here is that Children INNOCENT ATTITUDE. Children have Adamic nature of death that's why they can die too.

Long ago before the creation of Adam God has declared to the angels that he wanted to create the generations of human being on the earth( See Qur'an 2:30). God only use the consequence of sin commited by Adam as a "MEANS" (not a "CAUSE" of our dwelling on earth; Just like God use the consequence of sex btw man and woman as a "means" of our procreation on earth; NOT a "cause" of our procreation

Another gross error from Qur'an
Why then Allah created Adam and put him in a garden in paradise? So you mean sin can dwell together with Allah in paradise...Nice one!

Since Adam was created with a sinful nature and Allah can live with sin, why can't Allah take everyone on earth to paradise with their sinful nature?

What is the purpose of resurrection for those that died?
Is it not to get a new nature without sin and death?

You see the reason why I said Muslims and Qur'an lack spiritual understanding.

Spotlighte:
A virgin passport won't be a reason why you are denied a visa. I read about someone on this thread who said she had to travel to different countries so she could have travel history and boost her chance of getting the visa but was still denied.

I really don't think that would be a problem. Just do your own bit. Also, make sure it's not an expired passport.

Actually my passport will expire next year Dec

I appreciate

GboyegaD:
Your passport needs be valid for at least 6months by the time you are issued your visa.

I haven't used my passport anytime, can I be denied visa because of that?

tstx:
Village people dey nairaland too o. b careful

Smile...bro what God has done no man can stop it

Thank God that I'll soon leave this country for you people

Abdulgaffar22:
There is nothing remained in Adam and Eve. It is only a matter of time that remain for them to get back into paradise because God has forgiven them.
Besides, if we as children inherit our sinful nature from Adam as you Christians claim, then frm where does sinful nature of Adam came? Is He not God that created him like that ? Is God not capabe of creating him in the otherway round so that he would be completely immuned against commiting sins ? If this is true, then there is nothing that became added to our nature as a result of sin committed by Adam. It is just the perfect will of God that we are sinful creatures so that one of the divine attributes of God (ie All-forgiver) can be manifested.

Then it means that you construct statement out of wishful thinking not of a sound mind.

You are the very person who said: "Allah FORGIVEN them but they remain on earth for THE CONSEQUENCES of their sin."

The questions that beg for answer are these:
1. WHAT IS THAT CONSEQUENCE of their sin that made them to remain on earth till they died?
2. Since Adam and Eve died many years ago and Allah has forgiven them, why is it that the offspring of Adam and Eve are still on EARTH based on this same CONSEQUENCE?
3. Are offspring of Adam and Eve not suffering from that CONSEQUENCE till date?

It's so funny how you Muslims will out of ignorance admit the case of ORIGINAL sin in one breath but quickly deny it in another breath when you realize that the author of Quran is ignorant on the subject matter.

Abdulgaffar22:
@ Emusan
Now suppose this prostitute with the HIV virus meet a very good professional DOCTOR who has a son that he loved very much. But this very doctor, who really possesed the cure to ALL diseases, only agree to treat this prostitute on the condition that the skull of his only beloved son must be crushed by a sledge hammer.
When the prostitute asked the doctor the reason why his only son must be put to death before he can cure her from that HIV disease, the doctor replied that he wanted to satisfy his own conscience and to demonstrate his love and kindness towards her.
Pls for the sake of God, what would people think about this professional doctor ?

You lack capacity of intellectual conversation
We're not talking about the cure of HIV now, the point here first is.

Do you agree with your own illustration that apart from ORDINARY FORGIVENESS something is still in Adam and Eve that made Allah not to take them back into paradise?

Stop jumping from pillar to post

Abdulgaffar22:
Then the Shaitan (Satan) made them slip therefrom (the Paradise), and got them out from that in which they were. We said: "Get you down, all, with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be a dwelling place for you and an enjoyment for a time." (Qur'an 2:36)
Then Adam received from his Lord Words of inspiration. And his Lord pardoned him (accepted his repentance). Verily, He is the One Who forgives (accepts repentance), the Most Merciful.(Qur'an 2:37)

Waooooo great scholar

As you can see from the two verses cited above, Adam and Eve have already gone to the Earth before they repent and seek for forgiveness.

Gone to the earth Who pushed them to the earth? Themselves or Allah?

So after forgiveness on earth, why can't Allah take them back to paradise where they were before?

So they remained in the Earth for the "CONSEQUENCE" of their sins NOT for "PUNISHMENT" from God for their sins. The similitude is case of a prostitute who has truly repented to God but still suffer from the HIV virus she has contacted before her repentance.

Good this is where we are going.
The consequence of their sin shows that there's something in there NATURE that isn't conformed with their original place that's why after Allah forgiven them he can't take them back.

Just like the case of the HIV virus makes it clear that the prostitute has been deprived some things with her NATURE.

Once you understand this then you'll be able to understand the sin of Adam we're still suffering for today and how Jesus' crucifixion came in.

Abdulgaffar22:
why do we need to repent for the sin of Adam when the Bible declare that "the son will not bear the iniquity of the father" (Deut 24:16, Ezekiel 18:20, Jeremiah 31:30 etc).
According to the Quran, Adam and Eve have asked for forgiveness and repentace for their sins(Quran 7:23) and God has forgiven them(Quran 2:37).

Then why did Allah still chase them out of the garden if they've been truly forgiven?


This is the question most Muslims never asked...