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vicky4227:
While I seem to be amazed by the rate of defection in APC at the moment, I can’t help but think that Baba Bubu has something up his sleeves.

What if after the whole movement and ship jumping in 2019 this man inserts a surprise movie for Nigerians to watch?

What if he wins?

Just thinking aloud.

What you people failed to know is "those who helped PMB to power in 2015 know exactly what they did before he could win, now they know exactly what they will do to take power away from him"

Prior to 2015 Obasanjo was the first to tear PDP apart before deflection from PDP started.

If you know Nigeria politic very well your calculation should tell you that APC will soon become what PDP became but all these are just for the same selfish interest of the politicians.


This recent defection should tell Nigerians that this is the right time to dissapoint all the politicians by making sure no election in 2019 unless a drastic plan toward national growth is achieved.

Wise word...
Those who brought PMB to power know exactly what they did before he could win and they're doing the same thing now to take power away from him.

If you know you know!

The people who brought PMB to power know exactly what they did before he could win and they're also doing the same to take power away from him.

if you know you know

bloodofthelamb:
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God( 1John1:3).

I make mistakes but I am not a sinner. I am a baby in righteousness growing by his grace unto full maturity in righteousness.

Now see the way you're twisting and dodging the question.

Is there anything in the scripture that is called MISTAKE? You know you're not perfect yet fail to admit that you do sin.

Besides, you claimed you're not a sinner, are you God?

Even people who walked with Jesus when He was alive can't say they're not sinner!

The way Devil is playing with your salvation is so wide...

bloodofthelamb:
You are save. First of all a saved man is a new creature( 2Cor5:17), with a new nature of righteousness and not of murder.

The new creation in Christ desires peace, good, life, health for his neighbour.

It will be hard and rare for him to murder someone. For Christ has so much transformed him. Nevertheless, the new creation cannot be condemned no matter the mistake.

Christ is his sure foundation.

So you mean as you are now, you don't use to commit any sin?

jiggaz:
With this your reply, you have answered the question as a typical Nigerian Works-Based Christian. The Holy Spirit can never depart from a Believer no matter what. If it is so, that means that a Believer can also lose their Salvation which is not possible. Cos Apostle Paul said in the Scripture that we are sealed with the Holy Spirit the first day we received CHRIST into our life, pending the day of our redemption which is the Rapture. But i don't expect you to understand cos all of you have been brainwashed into thinking that it you that keeps your Salvation and not God.

My question goes to that underline...
If I have been sealed with Holy Spirit the very day I received Christ, and on the long run I committed a murder and I didn't repent. Am I still save?

UyiIredia:
Anytime I ask this question Christians start quoting Scripture. But it is good to reason things out.

Quoting scripture is to validate the claim of spiritual blessings they have partook with early saint and Jesus being God doesn't defile logic, in fact it fits into logic well once you acknowledge also that God is OMNIPOTENT which means God can do anything in fact that's why God called Himself I Am that I Am

If God is capable of doing anything, do you think He can't become a baby and still be God?

God is eternal, but Jesus was born. Does that mean God was born?

In fact, reading the Bible and in comparison with man's knowledge about God will let you know why Christian worshipping Jesus as God.

Just like I told one Jehovah witness brother, that the problem they have with the scripture is inability to know when the Bible writers wrote about Jesus before He entered into creation/became man and after He became part of creation/became man.

Before He became part of creation He was not known as Jesus Christ but THE ETERNAL LIFE, CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE e.t.c this sum up His name as THE ETERNAL WORD OF GOD.

Note: Even JWs know this but they try to explain away this by saying Jesus is just the representative of God that's why He was called The Word of God.

They know that God is eternal as His Word is eternal.

God is omnipotent, but Jesus was weak, beaten, injured and crucified by Roman soldiers, does that mean God can be beaten, injured and killed on a cross?

I also use to tell people that, The Word of God didn't enter creation to proof that He His God rather to fulfill the very purpose He came into creation for. Meanwhile, Jesus is omnipotent because He is the one who upholds creation by the word of His POWER.

God is omniscient but the where is the evidence of Jesus knowing everything?

If Jesus didn't know everything he would have rebuked His disciples when they said to Him "Now are we sure that thou knowest ALL THINGS..."

God existed before and created the universe but Jesus came after the universe was made, does that mean God was born after the universe and made from it?

The man Jesus was a body which the Word of God who existed before ALL THINGS and CREATED all things dwell.

God is of no tribe but Jesus was a Jew, does that mean God is a Jew?

A human body was delivered to the tribe of Jews where the ETERNAL WORD dwell to fulfill the promise of God to the word.

If God and Jesus are different how can they be the same thing?

You're right, God and Jesus are different simply because it's being known by man that God is eternal and the creator, and Jesus is a man but what we are saying is, what is the NATURE of the person of Jesus before He became part of creation?

So if man has known God to be eternal and creator and the man who they know as Jesus was eternal and creator that made Him God.

Not only you have raised issue like this, the critics of Jesus in His own time were also confused that's why they could say to Jesus [b]"even though you're a man but making thyself God"[/quote]They know the way Jesus presented Himself is all knowledge they've known about God.

I'm not here to argue with you but raising some silent points from the scripture.

dainformant:
Nigerians have got to be extra careful as fraudsters have upped their game in scamming unsuspecting Nigerians of their hard earned money. A man was caught on CCTV stealing the a POS machines at an eatery.

In the video which was posted online in order to identify the culprit (the man in a suit), the suspected fraudster can be seen standing at the counter while pretending to be a customer before stealing the POS machine after a staff turned away while attending to others.

The man immediately concealed the stolen machine in a newspaper before walking away.

According to reports, the scammers bug the POS machines and return them back to where they were stolen from. Once a debit/ATM card is swiped on them, the bank account details are forwarded to the fraudsters who will then clear their victim's accounts withing minutes.

Source; https://www.nationalhelm.co/2018/07/see-the-way-fraudsters-are-using-to-scam-nigerians-through-pos-machines.html

Watch Video HERE.

That's why I don't use POS and any wise fellow can use my method.

Firstly, I've mastered my all ATM codes: the number, expiring date, password & ccv of hand. This allows me not to be going out with ATM.

Secondly, I make sure I use online transfer not BANK APP but system like Quickteller. This will allow me to verify any transaction.

Lastly, anywhere I want to transact, I quickly ask for their account number and sometimes if I need cash, I'll add the amount of cash I needed to whatever I bought.

Sense will not kill me

Statement like this always shows that you people need critical Bible study and not online discussion.

akeensbussy:
Religion is a Scam....

Says the person who didn't even understand Religion.

The bible says men fall into sin when Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit....Anybody born after that were born sinners.

Did you also know that the same Bible categorized the sin men fell to into two?
1. Our nature has been corrupted
2. Common sin you know today like lying, killing, unfaithfulness, lover of immortality e.t.c

Why is it that when Jesus Christ was crucify for the sin men, anybody born after that were not saint?

Anybody who accepts Jesus Christ as his personal Savior and Lord is a NEW CREATURE.

What do you understand by this?

if the death of Jesus Christ is for remission of sin..then automatically, everybody on earth today should be saint... not sinner again.

You failed to realize that Bible spoke about two different sins and how these sins will be eliminated.

Firstly, as Jesus Christ came, he gave power to live above the second sin I mentioned above.

Lastly, if one can sustain/live above the second sin till the very end when Jesus will restore the FIRST NATURE then the person will possess the UNTAINTED NATURE lost during Adam time. Then there won't be sin NO MORE.

This is what the Bible says.

if all of us are still born sinner, what it is the purpose of the death of Jesus to appeal God?

You're born sinner simply means you still possess the very HUMAN NATURE of Adam that's why death is still reigned in Mortal body but these "Death and Sin" will be know more.

Did you read that in your Bible?

Religion is a scam indeed.

Says again by the person who doesn't understand it.

OneJ:
In your last statement, U actually mean that the respect I accord to U must be same as that I give to my daddy.
In other words, Christ Jesus & his Father are one, just like Christ ,his Father & disciples are one. In like manner that husband & wife are one.

So you quickly modified your point anyway what I asked you isn't about being one but the gravity of the statement itself "JUST AS" This shows that I'm demanding for EQUAL RIGHT.

Jesus says "So that men will honor the Son JUST AS they honor the Father"

In your first reply before modification, you said "and you think I will respect you like my father" you know the effect that's why you quickly modified it.

Agreed that two personalities were stated in John 1:2. God Almighty & his only begotten son "who is at his Father's side" (John 1:18). In any context that father & son relationship exist, one is always greater than the other. Do U agree,

Trinitarian has always maintained that The Father is GREATER than the Son in position but not in NATURE. So stop following the wrong view of Trinity through the speck of your organization.

That's why I do say that you people need Bible study and not online debate.

The Hebrew bible of Micah 5:2..."whose origin are far in the past, back in ancient times". Another Hebrew language translation reads :
"..his origin is from of old,from the days of yore".

Contrary to your opinion,the texts does infact only pointed Christ pre human existence before his birth on earth as the God sent Messiah.

Just imagine and listing to your twisting.

His ORIGIN is from ETERNITY! The key point here is ETERNITY, can a created being have ORIGIN from EVERLASTING/ETERNITY/ANCIENT DAYS.

Just like I said you need Bible study, the Father Himself is "THE BEGINNING" does that make the Father to be created?

Una come frame am like say Christ na Baba God Almighty.

But una com frame am like say Jesus no com from eternity nor God.

Prov8:22-30 " Yahweh (Adonai, The Lord ) possessed (acquired/ brought me forth/made) me at the beginning of his way,the first of his ancient works". (source: biblegateway).

God's word has spoken for itself. Nothing can I add to it at all.

You people don't pay attention to the scripture contents which has made Satan to use the opportunity in manipulating you.

The verse says "....at the BEGINNING of his WAY" So kindly tell the how the Father who is eternal has a beginning way!

Then you will know it's either you lack the knowledge or misconstrue the writer intent.

Pls show me from scripture where "only begotten son or first born " was applied to the Almighty God. Or where Baba God prayed. to Jesus or took orders from Christ. Jesus? Shalom.

Show me where only begotten or first born was applied to the Son before he came to earth.

Did the Father become human?

OneJ:
The website (ntgreek.com) U dey copy & paste have exposed your Trinity lie lie. Pls read again, wetin U copy & paste below::
"However, since it (John 1:1c) does not have the definite article ("the", it does indicate that this Word was not the same person as the Father God."
Bro, no be Arabic or French be that.
Na simple English.


John17:3,17 "Now this is eternal life: that they may know you ,the only true God,and Jesus Christ,whom you have sent"
Vs 17: Sanctify them by the truth;your word is truth"
Jesus Christ our Messiah has revealed the truth. Therefore, he has provided a trustworthy and credible answer to your question.
BTW,between U & Jesus , who is more credible? If wetin Jesus talk for John 17:3,17 dey vex U, then quarrel with your Bible.


Your crooked twist & somersault responses proves beyond doubt that U are more confused than I had reckoned.



U don't have to accept or concur with the beliefs of JW, but resist the itch to malign Jehovah's name.
Shalom.

Answer his question and stop beating around the bush.

Is Jesus Christ a true God or not since you agree he is a god?

I asked you question the other time and you purposely ignored it because you know you'll short yourself in the leg.

Did Jesus deny being God in John 10:33?

The reason I asked you is because your version translated it as "...although being a man, make yourself a god."

Now if what the Jews accused Jesus for is being "a god" while then did Jesus deny it? did Jesus didn't know that he is a god? or could it be that your version is what is faulty here?

It's still evident that you're still beating around the bush.

OneJ:
1) Pls stop the deceit & receive sense .John 1:2. "He was with God in the beginning.".
Emusan, U wanna claim that God Almighty was with Himself. How does it sound to your ears?

Two personalities WERE together from beginning and the second was called THE ETERNAL LIFE, can ETERNAL be created?

Mind you one of those things that made the father God is that He is ETERNAL. Now, if the Bible says Jesus is also ETERNAL, what does that mean?

2) Micah 5:2 " But you.... whose origin (or beginning/ birth) are from of old,from ancient times".
Emusan, don't deceive & shortchange your self. "Birth/Beginning" are other words U can substitute for the word, "origin"? Pls insert it there.

Imagine, simple English is hard for you to comprehend here. Now let's even follow your own pattern, the verse says His BIRTH/BEGINNING is from ETERNITY. Does a created being come from ETERNITY?

Whereas, the Hebrew word in that verse is "<mowtsa'ah>" which is best describes as 'going forth' just as KJV put it. This best described as being in action from eternity.

3) U are being clever by half.
John 1:3. "THROUGH HIM all things were made; without him nothing was made that had been made" .
Jesus is a medium (he was "the craftsman" beside his Father ) deployed by Baba God Almighty to create all other things. (Personified as wisdom in Prov8:22-36)
Hebrew 1:2 "But in these last days he (Baba God ) has spoken to us by his Son ,whom he ( Baba God) APPOINTED heir of all things & THROUGH WHOM HE MADE THE UNIVERSE"

I laugh anytime you people try to use Prov 8 without noticing the implication on what you're claiming.

For your information, the context of prov 8 shows that it was the FATHER who was actually carrying out the creative activities not Wisdom.

If you're in doubt, check how it was written:
v26 - while as yet HE had not made the earth
v27 - when HE prepared the heavens...when HE set a compass...
v28 - When HE established the cloud...when HE strengthen the fountains e.t.c

The HE here, who is he? The father or Wisdom?

So the content of John 1:3 simply means NOTHING has been created pro to the time CREATION begins unless you want to tell us that Jesus is the one who created Himself.
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Jesus is the beginning of creation. He was created. Yes. Colos 1:13-17.
Rev3:14

The very first thing we read in Col 1:17 is "He existed before ANYTHING else, and holds ALL CREATION together" did Jesus is the one holding himself?

Just as you interpret origin to be birth/beginning why can't you also look at the Greek words used in those verses whether it actually means CREATED?

But the question you're still dodging is, the BIBLE says Jesus is THE eternal life, can eternal life be created?

4) Pls stop your lies against the truth.
Jesus received authority from his Father. He is the appointed heir that Baba God put into Office. Hebrew 1:2.
John17:1,2 " After Jesus said this..... For you granted him (Jesus) authority over all people that he (Jesus) might give eternal life to all those you have given him"

You still don't want to learn.
When Jesus became part of the creations John 1:10, He became first born (preeminence) of creation, He was appointed heir of all things, He grew in wisdom and knowledge, He became first born among dead e.t.c

This was the very point the blessed Apostle Paul was addressing in the same Colossians 1:18 "...so that HE ALONE in everything and in every respect might occupy the chief place [stand first and preeminent]"- AMP

"...so that HE Himself will COME to have FIRST place in everything" - NASB

"...so He is FIRST in everything" - NLT

"...so that he might become the one who is first in all things; - NWT

Can you see that when Jesus became part of the creations He has to become FIRST.

5) Jesus & his Father are one just as Jesus & his disciples are one.
John 17:11b" Holy Father, protect them... so that they may be one as we are one".
vs 21: "that all of them may be one, Father ,just as you are in me & I am in you".
In the same manner that husband & wife are one. "They are no longer two but one" Matt19:4-6.
Can two walk together except they agree? Amos 3:3.
Emusan, pls receive sense IJNA..

Nobody asked you this. I only show you that even your organization admitted that Jesus posseses ALL THINGS man knows that makes a being to be God.

The Jews who listened to Jesus understood Him perfectly but you and your organization are just a tool in the hand of the Devil to manipulate the truth.

Imagine, if I tell you, OneJ you must respect me JUST AS you respect your Daddy...what do I mean by that?

OneJ:
Mutteylaff, Trinitarian folks (ntgreek, Emusan who said "Jesus is not the Father' & Primesky who argued that Jesus is the Father) ,as shown above your views contradict each other because Una false doctrine dey confuse all of una.
Confusion transmission . Hahahahahaaa !

U too are confused . See the evidence .below....

It's evident that you're the confused one here.....

There is no scripture where Christ gave command or orders to his Father. Why ? John14:28 the Father is greater than Jesus His son.

However, 1 Cor 2:16 says " we Christians have the mind of Christ," not the mind of God.
Jesus said (John14:24. 7:16)"What I teach is not mine,but belongs to Him who sent me"
Matt24:36 " Only the Father knows that Day & Hour" because Jesus is not God & he does not know what God knows.


Christ never claimed or said he is God. Trinitarian folks imposed Godship on Jesus by fire by force.....
Shalom

Like I do say, you people lack the scriptural knowledge about how Bible presented Jesus Christ that's why your teachings have always been forth and back.

As you missed it, Jesus didn't come to earth to prove to anyone that He is God rather to do His Father's will

Meanwhile, I've noticed that you people couldn't phantom when Bible refers to Jesus (NOTE: I used Jesus for simple understanding) before He become part of His own creation and when He finally became part of His own creation.

WHAT SCRIPTURE SAYS ABOUT HIM BEFORE HE BECAME PART OF CREATION?
1. He is THE ETERNAL LIFE (NOTE the writer said "THE" 1 John 1:2.....eternal life can't be created
2. His ORIGIN was from TIME INDEFINITE (according to NWT) or as other versions put it "eternity, everlasting, ancient days: which is what the Father claimed by Himself....Mic 5:2
3. "NOTHING was created without Him....John 1:3" which means He's not part of creation.

These three points are enough for now because they are many of them!

These are the Biblical truth that even the disciples of Jesus know that's why person like Thomas can proclaim to Him as "My Lord and my God" and made all early Christians to pray to Him including Steven.

These are the truth that people like Mathetes 130AD, Polycarp(one of the disciples of Apostle John himself) 150AD, Justin Martyr e.t.c believe that made them to call Jesus God.

Mind you, these are early prominent Christian erlders which even your own Organization recognized their teachings and applaud.

A time is coming when I'll teach you people on this forum how Bible made distinguish between when Jesus was not part of creation and when He became part of creation.

Just like your organization admitted in their publication when they were trying to prove that "I and my father are one" isn't meant Jesus is God. it read "Well, Jesus is saying that he has powers that the Jews believe belong to God alone. For example, regarding the “sheep” he said: “I give them everlasting life,” which is something humans cannot do. (John 10:28 ) Jesus: the way, the truth, and the life; subtopic: one with the father, but not God, pg. 188 https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/jesus/ministry-in-judea/not-equal-to-god/#?insight[search_id]=0605e742-3d9b-464e-a79f-0d0892d0847c&insight[search_result_index]=0

You can see your organization actually know that many things that Biblical writers applied to Jesus are actually what we know ONLY GOD POSSESES but in other to keep themselves confused the more they later said in the next text that "....The Jews are overlooking the fact that Jesus has openly admitted that he received authority from his Father"

Lastly, I asked you does it mean Jesus denied being God in John 10:30 or not? because you didn't answer it.

OneJ:
Pls tell our fellow Nairalanders & guests whether U are confused when U call a well known man "Area father or Godfather" ?. Therefore, your opening questions lack merit & substance.


Primesky said " Jesus is not God the father, so who is he" ? Even Emusan , his partner in the Trinity fallacy said & I quote his statement: " did anybody ever said Jesus is the Father before ?"
My fellow Nairalanders & guests, una dey see how primesky & his fellow trinity peddlers. are confused?
Indeed, their brain always shut down in their dubious attempts to defend a lie Jesus himself neither taught nor believed.

I know sometimes simple comprehension might be hard for you people.

What I mean by my statement is that Jesus is not THE PERSON (in Nature) of whom we know as the Father but He is Eternal Father (in role).

Nature is different from role

So, both the person of the Father and Jesus Christ are ETERNAL FATHER in role.

OneJ:
.. LIES ,LIES ,LIES !
Everybody pls see the proof below:

John10:33 "We are not stoning you for any of these,", replied the Jews,"but for blasphemy, because you ,a mere man ,claim to be God" . The wicked Jews made those false allegations against Jesus. U may ask "Why is it a false allegation?

Jesus himself provided the answers....
John10:34,-36. "Is it not written in your Law,
'I have said you are gods? ' "
(Jesus quoted Psalms 82:6).
John10:35: "If he called them 'gods' ,to whom the word of God came- and the Scripture cannot be broken
vs36 "what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said , I am God's son ?".

Jesus himself said he is the son of God but the Jews deceitfully twisted his statement &falsely alleged that Jesus committed blasphemy. Because they were desperate to kill Jesus at all costs.
Shalom.

So you mean Jesus denied being God in that verse right?

OneJ:
The Greek manuscript is in lowercase.
The Greek manuscript transliteration of John 1:1 word for word, Greek to English can be Sourced from "John 1:1 wikipedia".
The Apostle John in John 1:1 never said " the word is the god" (Almighty Father). That's the unpopular truth that Trinitarian folks can not admit.

Did anybody ever said Jesus is the Father before?

Jesus is God which means He has ALL the attributes man know God to possess. Get that into your skull!

Even Jesus' critics know Jesus is God that's why they could say "...and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God"

innocent99:
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[quote author=Maamin post=68869404]At the bolden, show me where I denied his deity? [/b]

So you believe Jesus is a deity, right?

Jesus is a Mighty God but not the Almighty God. Because Jesus also have an ALMIGHTY GOD ABOVE HIM.

Funny you...
It's like God is dragging position with Jesus! Because the Father Himself is also a mighty God. So, God has to make Jesus a Mighty God and made Himself Almighty God later.

How many God do you now have?

Besides, I can see you purposely ignored the part where Jesus was called EVERLASTING FATHER, so how many everlasting father do you have?

John 5:26 "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;"

Everything Jesus is, is given/made by his Father the Almighty God.

So His Father also made Him and ETERNAL Being yet ONLY God is ETERNAL. Continue...

Good, at least this is a head start for you..but You still haven't fix the holy spirit in your tri-unity. It looks like you are leaving him out.

The Holy Spirit was called ETERNAL SPIRIT in the Bible if you can't find it in your own Bible tell me, I'll show you.

Wunmifun:
Justin Martyr could live during that time,he can believe and defend any form of doctrine but that doesn't change the fact that the person speaking in Proverbs 8:22-34 was Jesus and that quoted scripture clearly said God created him period! Colossians 1:15,16 1Corinthians 15:27,28 I think the word FIRST BORN implies a beginning or birth

You people can go any length to deny and twist anything... smh!

So Justin is not reliable now because he preached and defended the deity of Jesus...

Polycarp and Papias are well known people who have direct contact and first hand information about Jesus Christ from the Apostles...

But here you people just want to twist history to suit you.

If you read that Proverb very well....then you can agree with me that the New Testament authors who said Jesus was the one created everything was wrong.

How?
In Proverb you sited, you'll read throughout as When he(God).... which means it was God who was carrying out the action yet NT made it clear that it was Jesus who did it.

"YOU THINK" that shows you're not sure of what you're saying.

Maamin:
Surely Jesus is divine, but he is not Yahweh or coequal to Yahweh his father in any triune relationship as taught by triniterians.

Here is Jesus claim of his divine precedence

John 16:28 "I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father."

John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world."

Now what about the holy spirit?

Laughing hard.....
So, you agree Jesus Christ is divine but not YAHWEH, why is it divine then?

In case you don't know, DIVINITY simply means Deity! So agree Jesus is divine in one breath and deny His deity in another breath shows insincerity of you.

These are the verses that talked about Jesus deity in the scripture.

-He is a Mighty God and EVERLASTING Father...Isaiah 9
-He is ETERNAL life 1 Jn 1:2

These two verses alone are enough evidence that Jesus is God but not the Father because in human knowledge ONLY God is Everlasting and ETERNAL!

Maamin:
The Trinity doctrine is not supported by scriptures, it was never taught by Christ, his disciples or the early Christians.

Shalom aleikhem!

This is the lie that you people always peddle

Justin Martyr is one of the early Christian who died 165AD he defended Jesus Christ divinity always

tomakint:
You clearly misunderstood my position on this hotly debated topic, Maamin is one brother here you need to read his post. My position on Constanstine is not to hold anything against him, but to point to you folks that the Trinity Doctrine is not Biblical but Doctrines of Men evoked by Constanstine and some Bishops in order to debate about the "Divinity of Jesus Christ" while the issue of Trinity coming up was not anticipated. Understand the matter, Trinity is not Biblical!

Just imagine!

So you means Justin Martyr who supposed be a disciple of Apostle John is wrong for believing Jesus is eternal and not created?

That's why I have to go back in time to show you those who already uphold the divinity of Jesus Christ even before the council of Nicea happened.

So it's either you accept the account of those who closed to the real Apostles of Christ or reject it.

My point is this, before the council of Nicea majority of well known scholars whose their impact can't be written off in Christianity history hold the belief in Jesus and Holy Spirit Divinity as supported by many verses in the scripture. So the council of Nicea ONLY coined the word TRINITY to address the divinity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Like I said, you can discard the word TRINITY if you don't like but the DIVINITY of Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit is well established in the scripture.

tomakint:
Your opinion on the Trinity doctrine based on my submission you quoted are in tandem so I ask again, do you think the Doctrine of Trinity as spread around through the Nicene Creed by Constantine the Great be preached in churches as we see it today?

Funny of you because even after you quoted what happened at the council of Nicea you couldn't grab your own point.

Which means you blindly quoted it for your selfish interest.

These are the points you missed from the quote of council of Nicea:

1. The council of Nicea actually proved that Jesus' nature has been the talk of the day where people have different views about.

2. Majority of those who voted for Trinity are actually reputable scholars who are followers of oldest scholars like Polycap, Justin Martyr e.t.c

Now the question is, why did the council of Nicea hold?
The meeting holds because people are truly confused about the nature of Christ i.e whether Jesus was created or not.

Now Justin martyr who died in 125AD (in fact many scholars believed that he was one of Apostle John's disciples) has always debate about Jesus as uncreated being. Now, where did he get his information from? if not from Apostle John himself who wrote his own account about Jesus Christ as "....and the word was God...without Him(Christ) NOTHING (including the angles and heaven) was made" Jn 1:1,3

So you see it's not about Constantine who you try to paint as evil but about chronological history being followed.

Note:
-Justin Martyr 165AD a disciple of Apostle John believed that Jesus is uncreated being.
-Irenaous 200AD believed Jesus is eternal
-Clement of Alexandria 215AD believed in the eternal word of God who is the Son of God.
-Tertullian 230AD claim the same thing
-Hippolytus 235AD uphold the same belief
-And the council of Nicea happened in 325AD

So the council of Nicea only coined the word TRINITY which is the evidence from the early Church as the pray to Jesus Christ 1 Corin 1:2, called ETERNAL life in 1Jn1:2

Lastly, if you don't like the word TRINITY you can stop using it since even after the word was coined out it never appeared in any Bible version but you can't stop Honouring Jesus the way you Honour the Father... Jn 5:23, called Him everlasting father as Isaiah prophesied and deny Him being in the FORM of God as Apostle Paul confirmed it.

Also, I read one of your post where you claim that no creature can be compared with God which is actually what the scripture says but you forgot to acknowledge that the same scripture says Jesus is the IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD and the same Jesus uphold ALL THINGS by the WORD of His power.

Likewise, the scripture says Holy Spirit is an eternal spirit I know you can't deny this but only deny his person.

Let me point out a misconception here!
People haven't grabbed the attribute of God Omni-science so well.

God knows what will happen tomorrow is different from God has designed what will happen tomorrow.

The latter means man is still like a ROBOT

How man will live his life from start to finish wasn't designed by God but God knows how man will run it from start to finish, God only created man with individual ability to live life from start to finish.

So the misconception arises when we substitute our inbuilt drive that makes us who we are for a Robotic view (destiny or predetermination)

I'll shield more light later

Predetermination though happened on exceptional cases if God wants to intervene

Josipov:
What softwares are ideal for road and bridge
I mean for both drawing and designing

For road you can use AutoCAD Civil 3D this gives you opportunity to geo-reference your drawing.

For bridge I go with Staad pro

Nissybright:
Have you tried CivilCAD?

I agree with @kokomaster3d AUTOCAD land desk is dope for road design.

Truly Orion is for beginners!

ARCHICAD is also good for 3D it even has a new feature called Eptar which is for reinforcement arrangement in 3D.

I love Etabs and Staad pro....

Op you didn't include Prokon it's very good too

NaijaTechnician:
Many arguments claming to prove the existence of God have been proposed throughout the centuries. The response to many of these arguments, however, is: "If God created the world, what created God?"

The question who created God? can only be asked by those who claimed to be more intelligent than religious people but can't reason well.

There are words that can't be applied to some certain things.

Look at the history of man and technology. During the stone age, no one can use the word TECHNOLOGY simply because what the word TECHNOLOGY can be applied to wasn't around.

Likewise, we human do use some terms which are results of our intellectual i.e PRODUCE or MANUFACTURE and these words can't be directly applied to our origin.

You don't say, since almost everything man does is either produced or manufactured then who PRODUCED or MANUFACTURE man?

My humble submission is this, before God created the universe the word "CREATE" wasn't around since the realm God exists is eternity.

God created the universe doesn't necessarily mean the word CREATE should be applied to Him.

So the best question to ask is; if God created everything, how does God came to be? And I doubt anyone can give you a direct answer because we only found ourselves in the consciousness of God's work.

it just like if AI should develop consciousness and you ask them about human origin.

Mac2016:
That's not a bridge..It's a culvert. And that terrain actually deserves an "accommodating" bridge!!!

You're right by saying it's a culvelt but the gully isn't deep enough for bridge.

The best is to make the culvelt double cells and not less than 2 x 2m Box.