₦airaland Forum

TATIME:
We were solidly behind Moses during the time JEHOVAH directed him to lead us towards the red sea, we were solidly behind Jesus when He told us to continue praying for the kingdom to come since 2,000 years ago. We'll forever continue to exercise faith in what we're sure of and we'll never forsake the gathering of the eagles(Luke 17:37) because that's where the foresight dwells. You can show us a better group but if you can't it's a pity that we'll hold on to our faith.

TATIME:
it's true that JWs organization have made many mistakes in the past like use of words to present our understanding of future events that are predicted in the Bible as prophesies.

In the past instead of saying "we've meditated thoroughly on what is written in the Bible, and during our meditations with prayers we've discovered that so and so will happen" we used the word "prophesies" which connotes that we're the ones telling the prophesies.

The fact still remains that out of interpretations of 10 prophesies found in the Bible by Jehovah's Witnesses NONE has failed, it's Just the TIMING of these prophesies that's gloomy.

True Christians have been making this same mistakes in the past. Act 1:7 but as for those prophesies they're surely going to happen it might not be in the order projected by JWs. No other religious group can see what JWs are seeing regarding our interpretations of Bible prophesies!

sonmvayina:
Is jesus not your God?...

sonmvayina:
You do.. So who was making all those quote you are rambling about..?

sonmvayina:
My God is not a man or human being..

sonmvayina:
This sound like what Another God will say..

Barristter07:
The issue here is:

Did Jesus made a distinction between body and soul at Luke 12:22 too ? Do you agree with Jesus that a soul eats ?

OneJ:
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"If soul is immortal does it mean God who created it cant destroy it ? Ode ??"

He claimed that the soul is immortal but has conceded that a Higher Power (God) can destroy the soul, that which he claims to be immortal.
(He speaks with both sides of his mouth. Lol.).

"Jehovah is truly God. He is the Living God& the eternal king. (Jer 10:10. ).
"The King eternal ,IMMORTAL, invisible, the ONLY GOD" (1 Tim 1:16,) the ONLY TRUE GOD (John17:3.Mat 16:13-17), ( the Father of Jesus Christ) Jehovah alone is truly IMMORTAL.Receive sense.

Barristter07:
Exactly where we are going
The bold indicates that those souls God destroyed according to Leviticus 23:30 are completely Eliminated, the Implication is that these means these ones do not proceed to the fictional hell Or afterlife since they are now completely Eliminated the GAP it creates means those in hellfire are only those killed by men,

[i]
Jesus made a distinction above between Body and soul . yet the soul is again regarded as EATING . ghost ? yeeparipa

According to Jesus that which he called soul is able to eat and drink which indicates a living person.

Now back to Matt 10:28 Men can kill the body But not the life as a living soul because God promise to restore that life ( Matthew 10:39) . in this sense , Men cannot do more than kill after which they can do nothing at all , but only God has the power to either restore the life or destroy it completely by not ressurecting it.

Barristter07:
Eyaah
Did Jesus made a distinction between body and soul at Luke 12: 22 5 too ? Do you agree with Jesus that a soul eats ?

OneJ:
Since U have agreed (in your bolded print) that God himself can kill & destroy the soul why do U still stick to the lie that the soul is immortal.

BTW, kill is synonymous (same as ) destroy. Just as Hebrew nephesh (soul) is translated in your KJV Bible as synonymous with the 'dead' ,'body'.
Source; biblehub (Strong's H5315 nephesh )
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AC Milan can't beat Juventus, but Real Madrid defeated Juventus to lift Champions League. Does it mean that Juventus can not be beaten or defeated ?

If U quarrel with this illustration, pls better U consult a shrink.

Barristter07:
that's a very simple thing But not yet until we unravel what Jesus meant by soul in that verse

I will repeat it again: Jesus statement does not imply that man has an invisible soul. The clause those [ Men ] who " spell it out as weak proof. So lets see what happen when God kill same .

God is speaking please, If he will destroy the soul of those mention. Does that not spell it out that nothing survive those men?

Barristter07:
Good. we are gradually getting there , don't forget we are trying to see if your fraudulent meaning is what the verse emphasized.

God who has been established that can destroy soul's says :


And every soul that doeth any manner of work on that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people. - Leviticus 23:30

Will he destroy the souls of those mentioned here ?

Tissue:
the thing about uber is that it is not in my state.. So doing uber would mean I would have to travel to Lagos or Abuja... I don't think I'm cool with that at the moment

TissuePaper:
Please nairalanders I need you guys to share your views on how lucrative you think the transportation sector is, especially the gurus in the business.

I'm thinking of buying a fairly used Toyota Hiace bus which costs about 3.5 million naira and I think it's a fair deal considering the profit I think I'll be making every day.

The bus should have 18 seats so that gives me 18,000 naira per trip, I'm thinking of plying interstate from port-Harcourt to Bayelsa which costs 1 thousand naira per person.

Therefore, if I can be able to make 4 trips in a day that gives me about 72000 naira returns everyday, giving me about 2.1 million naira per month.

Pardon me... I just did this little mathematics out of naivety as I do not really know the complexity of the transport sector, that is why i need your views, opinions and advice so that I don't hurt myself in the end.

However, if everything is as it seems then I think I would have to invest massively in the transport sector smiley

Barristter07:
Emphasis on the underlined, to test your fraudulent claim.

@ Bold, since am ignorant, explain to me : What about those killed by God himself for disobedience like Onan, Nadab , people of Noah's day , Would that still apply ?

Those killed by God, are their souls killed ? [/i] . that's the question, learn to comprehend Sir

Barristter07:
The above doesn't support the fraud meaning you are giving it.

It says do not fear those [ Men right ? ] going by your fraud meaning it would mean only those killed by men have a soul that doesn't die. what about those who are directly killed by God such as onan, Nadab , Abihu , and the people of Noah's day ? DO YOU ACCEPT IT WOULD MEAN THE SOUL of this ones are Killed ?

cc: Mutteylaff , Primesky , alBHAGDADI , Jozzy4 , Peacefullove

frandies:
I got admitted to study msc In the state without writing TOEFL or IELT because the school said it if not needed. Gurus in the house, hope this will not affect my transcript during my interview at the embassy?

TATIME:
You're welcome my friend, i have done the needed but it's like you just like to argue with Jehovah's Witnesses. Well for your information there is a difference between an ARGUEMENT and a DEBATE, if you're arguing you'll not listen with keen interest to get the motive in the minds of the other person instead you'll just keep imposing your views. But during a debate you listen ATTENTIVELY to the person so that you can win him/her over with virtuous points. Christians are not for arguments but rather we're for healthful debates. God bless you my friend!

TATIME:
Obviously you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses before so it's a pity that you're involved in this case but i'll advice you perhaps you'll have a rethink. Satan is speedily recruiting soldiers against the second coming of Christ,

atheism is what he is using to gather them,so from all religions people are secretly flocking into atheism unknowingly to many,that's why it has been difficult for these atheists to point to another religious group. They'll say Jesus is the Lord but did Jesus have a visible flock? That is when they'll become mute. Why? Because the real intention of the spirit behind their agitation is to stop everyone from following Christ.

How can you say Jesus is real to you but He has no visible group?

As for your question, the GB said "they're not inspired"

you can ask your atheist friends that question, i'm sure they'll not be able to answer you. Did you see them argue with that? If truly you want to enter God's Kingdom, i'll advice you to thread cautiously and please do not just follow the crowd. Exodus 23:2

TATIME:
Yes Sir/Ma i want to take seriously your timely advice, please mention a name of the Church you can recommend for me to start associating as a Christian, at least i should be worshipping the Lord with fellow Christians na. After all you and your friends are saying the GB is not it abi so suggest another group haha.

TATIME:
Just one single question and both of you have been running elta skelta without finding an answer. OK let me enlighten you both again, JWs GB is not inspired so they can err right? So they've given everyone a reason to know that they are scripture researchers not inspired writers or prophets. It's whatever they read, studied,meditated and prayed upon that they published. Therefore they have already prepared the minds of whoever is following their discoveries for adjustments as in CORRECTING whatever error they made. You studied,got baptized and became a dedicated member of the organization after knowing all these facts so if you're leaving now without knowing a BETTER organization to associate with please for what reason. John 6:66-71

Martinez19:
According to me, morality is govern by reason and empathy/compassion. Morality varies because of the influence of religious and cultural upbringings. Since religion and culture upbringings are different from place to place and they influence reason, morality will vary from place to place. Religious and cultural norms have to be taught because they are not innate but compassion cannot be taught because it's innate.

Take away religious and cultural upbringings, people will agree on what's moral on many more issues. The recent legalisation of homosexuality and homosexual marriage; abolishment of slavery despite what the holy books say etc. are due to "upgrade" in reasoning. Normally parents would take care of their children but JW parents would cut ties with their children if they(children) reject JW doctrines to the extent that they wouldn't want to see their grandchildren (not even on their birthdays) and these parents don't see anything wrong in that. Why is this? Because their reasoning are influenced by jehovah witness' doctrine. Take that jw brainwashing away and see them act like compassionate parents.

Explorers:
True or False

MightySparrow:

alBHAGDADI:
Jehovah's Witnesses should come and see the effect of Governing Body brainwashing o.


jozzy4 barristter07 OneJ peacefullove Emusan Tatime

Peacefullove:
#shakes head

People exist in spirit realm before they are born as human ?

Peacefullove:
That's not an evidence.
Ghost also meant spirit. Many theologian admit soul and spirit are used interchangeably in the xtian bible.

As an example: Jesus Ghost ( Spirit ) return to his Father the same day he died, Does that mean Jesus himself was in heaven that day?

Your response to that will determine what is meant in the screenshot.

Better still, say the Body is the image of the actual person seen by the physical world.

You once admit its an image in one of your post. Go figure.

Yeshua doesnt agree with your postulation as he talked about giving his Soul as sacrifice. If the body is the actual person, what then is this soul that was killed by the physical world as sacrifice ? You may come here and say Soul means another thing here again, but trust me, you will only complicate matters

Jozzy4:
you are the one who cited Angelic spirits as proof's and it expose you wella, Angelic personalities are recognized as PERSONS even without the human body. Swallow that lie

And even with human body, there is a full knowledge that their Real self is not that body people are seeing .

Why are you scared to admit your so called spiritual soul is the real person even before death if angels can be recognized as persons without the body ?

Jozzy4:
Confused person.

The life or soul of any flesh is in the blood . hahahahaha


So lions , Leopard, Gorilla, Chicken , Sheep , Birds and other animals with blood have an invisible Soul ?

This guy is totally confused cc OneJ , Barrister07