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OneJ:
Lie lie Lienus !
posted these : "Why did herad of Jesus Christ change to Jehovah witness, if there's no difference"?

It's evident that wisdom and knowledge are so far from you like heaven to earth.

NOTICE the underlined, I asked if there's no difference?

The reason behind that question was when the post I responded to said "Witness for Jesus is to witness for Jehovah"

Then I asked, why did Herald of Christ changed to Jehovah witness?

Now compare this to when you boldly said, I lied, JWs never ADOPTED Herald of Jesus as a NAME"

A well taught English student will understand my point isn't about NAME but no reason of changing from one to another if that statement(witness for Jesus is to witness for Jehovah) was actually true.


Like I always say, comprehension is a major problem for you guys.

"I'm still waiting for your answer to why herad for Christ change to Jehovah witness..."
So , U no understand the meaning of wetin U dey post for this thread ? Kai !!!!!!!
No wonder !! HHhmmmm !!!!

Anyone who lack simple comprehension shouldn't come online for debate.

I'm still waiting for you to show me, where I said JWS ADOPTED THE NAME HERALD OF CHRIST for you to call me a liar.

Him still dey argue blindly even after all the scriptural proofs that TATIME, Barrister07 & others have given on this thread.

If I missed your question s, kindly repost, pls.

Imagine, scriptural proofs indeed.

I don't need to repost anything, you're the first person to respond to the OP, so go back to your first post if replied to.

explain Acts 3:13,26. John 7:16.
No fall your hand.

Answer your first post first before you ask me any question and if you failed to quote the place where I said "JWs ADOPT the name HERALD OF CHRIST" forget my reply to any of your post here.

Shalom in advance in case you fail to provide it.

LordReed:
Well, you didn't prove their non-existence but you accepted their existence, what then is your issue?

Does ACCEPTING their EXISTENCE mean I BELIEVE IN THEM?

alBHAGDADI:
You don't understand the Deutoronomy 34:14 ''Since that time no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,''

According to you, the verse is saying that Moses saw God. But you didn't put into consideration that such notion contradicts the below verses. You just saw FACE TO FACE, then rushed to believe Moses saw God.

GOD is described as INVISCIBLE

Colossians 1:15
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:


JESUS said No man has seen God at any time

John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.


Now, if those verses are saying no one has seen God before, then you must have mistaken that Deutoronomy 34:14 to mean Moses saw God. To understand the verse, look for somewhere else where the Bible used the phrase FACE TO FACE. That can be found in Exodus Chapter 33 and is also about Moses and God.

Exodus 33:11
And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Now see what God said to Moses in chapter 20


Exodus 33:20-23
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Now, you can see that Moses didn't see God, he only saw his back parts. This is almost the same as the Israelites seeing God when He appeared as a pillar of cloud and fire. But to see God face to face, you can't. It is Jesus, who has made God known because He is the image of the Living God, that you have seen.

So, can you still claim to witness for a being whom you've not seen?

If you're looking for the grand master in cherry picking just give it to JWs...it tells you how the so self acclaimed on true worshippers can lies so much.

As for Isaiah 43:10-13, I thought Emusan just showed you that the passage doesn't go in line with how you are applying it?

No matter how you try to explain that Deuteronomy to him, it won't have any effect because the GB has already program it in his empty skull.

They can extrat a phrase, sentence, or just one verse in the scripture to justify their false doctrines without minding the intent of the writer.

Whereas, this same people will tell you that, don't read anything about JWs from apostates website because they always misrepresenting their view.

LordReed:
Ah so you believe in multiple gods. Nice to know.

See another one coming from the suppose most intelligent person

Your post says "PROVE of EXISTENCE" but here you change it to "BELIEVE IN" are they the same

Christians acknowledge the existence of Satan, does it mean they BELIEVE IN Satan?

GOFRONT:


Well, I hope she did not have a mother in law that slaps??........ because lately, that is what marriage future forecasters are talking about now on social medias....

HML anyway

And the irony part of it is mother-in-law is to be taking as your own mother!

So can't mother slap her own daughter in peace again

LordReed:
Can you prove that Allah doesn't exist? Can you prove the Zeus doesn't exist? Can you prove that Sango doesn't exist? Can you prove Shiva doesn't exist?

I always laugh whenever I see Atheists asking question like this...yet they always claim to be the most smart and intelligent person.

Have you seen any Christian saying those gods never exist?

Even a Muslim won't tell you that YAHWEH doesn't exist.

When you think you've seen it all but they keep showing case their daftness.

OneJ:
who cherry picks what to twist & form baseless assumptions, ("Herald of Christ " was never a name adopted by JW , U dey lie.)

What did I cherry pick?

Can you show me where I said HERALD OF CHRIST is their former NAME? You must quote where I said this either on this thread or another place...if not, don't dare spam my mention again.

Joker, you just rush to Google to do research...and still come back to show your delusions.

This is the reason why I will continue to say that you people lack simple comprehension and I didn't blame you since you're just a robot in the hands of your GB.

why U dey run from my questions? Come & explain
Acts 3:13,26 & John 7:16.

Smile, see the dull head accusing me I ran away from his question and compelling me to explain.

Whereas, you're the first person who ran from your first post...which I replied with many questions.

How many times have I asked you to go back and reply that post here?

Newboss:
What will he use as the Uber ride? His dick?

This shows that you don't know anything about Uber...

Newboss:
UBER with his dick?

What do you mean by this?
Like he doesn't have money to register for Uber or what?

Barristter07:
Your op is total assumption. Especially question 2 which tend to assume that if Christians are Different from Jehovah's witnesses, there should not have been anything like Early Christians BUT early Jehovah's witnesses , trying to substitute one for the other . now it backfires , Sorry

This part shows that you're the very person who is assuming here...
Sorry to burst your ass, the question 2 didn't derive from this as you said "if Christians are Different from Jehovah's witnesses, there should not have been anything like Early Christians BUT early Jehovah's witnesses"

Rather the question 2 stems from the claim by your organization that "The name Jehovah's witnesses have been known for over 2,700 years ago"

Which then make me to ask, if the name has been in existence for over 2,700 years ago, WHY IS YOUR PUBLICATIONS ALWAYS refer to the early people as EARLY CHRISTIANS and not EARLY JEHOVAH WITNESSESS?

Your two brothers who first attempt this question understood it but difficult for them to admit it.

One even went further to say it's Jesus who instructed them to separate from the name CHRISTIAN while the other said the old saints don't need to use the name because they have FAITH and OBEDIENCE to Jehovah righteou's standard.

You can see you're the very person who is confused here.

Actually I've made up mind not to reply you but I just have to clarify this.

To your question:
All those mentioned also claim to be Christians , but For a Fact Jehovah's Witnesses are the true Christians today!

That's exactly what draw people like Me to this humble people who follow the footstep of early Christians.

Fact is it has been established that Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians contrary to your Op

Funny enough if dem ask which witness una dey give about Jesus now na Jesus is God go be una answer, typical trinitarian reasoning .



We witness for Jehovah just as Early Christians witness about him . there is no way you discuss the ransom of Christ without acknowledging the source of such great Love Jehovah.

1 Corinthian 15:15 , Apostle Paul refer to themselves as Witnesses of Jehovah.

Didn't they ?



I repeat! There is no way to witness about Jesus without Witnessing Jehovah God who send him.

Your issue is when you talk about witnessing for Jesus , Its Trinity coming into your head . And that's not the witness of Jesus Given in the Scriptures

Witnessing about Jesus has to do with the salvation assignment given him by his God , which he faithfully did . it also includes bearing witness to his ressurection from the dead ,, [ The Jews spread a rumour that Jesus wasn't ressurected , This the disciples proved false and bear witness to the fact that Jesus Christ was Ressurected ]




Witnesses today Also bear Jesus name before people in their preaching work.

But Since true worshippers will worship the Father - the name Jehovah's Witnesses set them apart from the million other false worshippers worshipping the Trinity. ( John 4:23)

BigbamoAYO:
My fellow nairalander pls advice,what can i do with 42k salary, am single buh i have a lot of bills to pay,

Throw the job away, go and join UBER!
Thank me later

luckgood:
FORK U!

Yes yes...fuc.k you too

Barristter07:
With what ? Must you always assume , Just as you started the thread with assumption

Read the statement again
"Get your facts right next time before bringing up a useless thread as this based on Silly assumption Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians, if you don't have problem with other people distinguishing themselves with names like Redeemed , Methodist, Anglican, Living Faith , Catholic. You have no right to assume that because of their name , they are not Christian's

I know you people lack simple comprehension.
No assumption from my post nor from the OP...

You said "JWs ARE CHRISTIANS if I don't have problem with OTHER PEOPLE", which means the way these OTHER PEOPLE ARE CHRISTIANS but not answering the name Christian is the same thing with JWs.

That's why I asked, with your statement do you agree that JWs are NOT ONLY CHRISTIAN?

Who are those you are ASSUMING are not Christians because of their name ? Jehovah's Witnesses

Had it been you take time to read OP you wouldn't have typed this nonsense. The op quoted a claim made by your organization and what the op demanded for is an EVIDENCE for their claim.

Which you people never answered but just perambulating.

@ Bold . There is nothing silly about the statement, Just admit you don't understand it and ask for clarification

You should admit you don't understand yourself first.

There is no way you witness for Jehovah without witnessing for Jesus and vice versa . so that, we are Jehovah's Witnesses doesn't mean we do not witness Jesus.

Where was Jehovah instructed you to witness for Him to the extent of naming yourself JEHOVAH WITNESS?

This is just your pure assumption not an instruction...but the evidence from the scripture is:
1. Jehovah Himself witnesses for Jesus
2. The Holy Spirit witnesses for Jesus
3. The prophets are witnesses of Jesus
4. The early saints are all witnesses of Jesus.
5. Why are you witnessing for Jehovah?

Early Christians witness for Jehovah just as they witness for Jesus .

Peter testified this when he said :

" whereas you killed the Chief agent of life. But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact WE ARE WITNESSES " Act 3:15

Clearly they witness Jesus Christ and Jehovah God who raised him up from the dead

That's still the same excuse, since witnessing for Jehovah also means witnessing for Jesus, then WHY DID YOUR ORGANIZATION CHANGE FROM HERALD FOR Jesus to Jehovah witness?[b]

If not there is a point to drive at.

Look at this quote from your organization:
"THE Greek word for “witness” is martyr, from which comes the English word “martyr,” meaning “one who bears witness by his death.” [b]Many first-century Christians gave a witness about Jehovah by dying for their faith" Modern-day martyrs bears witnesses in Sweden

Where can this statement be found in the Bible?
Rev 17:6 is where statement like this appears and it is for Jesus but see how your organization removed Jesus from the equation and put Jehovah.

So coming online pretending as if what you do for Jehovah is what you do for Jesus whereas deep down inside of you people, Jesus has no place.

Everything about Jesus has been replaced by Jehovah.

Apostle Paul confirmed this during a discourse when he said

" But if Christ has not been raised up ...Moreover , we are also found to be false WITNESSES of God, [Jehovah] because we have GIVEN WITNESS AGAINST GOD by saying that he raised up Christ , whom he did not raise up IF the dead are really not to be raised up" 1 Cor 15:14,15

are they Not witnesses for Jehovah God ?

Take care , you can close the thread

Yet you couldn't answer my question.

Why did your organization change from HERALD FOR JESUS to JWs, if witnessing for Jesus also means witnessing for Jehovah?

I can see your gross misunderstanding of what Apostle Paul said, here is how to understand it "And we apostles would all be lying about God - for WE HAVE SAID GOD RAISED CHRIST FROM THE GRAVE..."

The point here is, saying resurrection isn't real means God is lying.

This is different from going place to place CLAIMING they are witnesses of Jehovah.

What Jesus told Ananias about Paul was "...to bear MY NAME before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel"

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Explorers:
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She's 55 years old now.

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OneJ:
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"Ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah , my servants whom I have chosen.... before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me" Isaiah 43:10 (ASV).

Why is plain. English so hard to sink into your brain? Jehovah's decree already activated before & after Jesus came to the earth naim Emusan wan change am by force..

The reason why you'll continue in your delusion is because your inability to explore the scripture by yourself but just stick to one verse the GB has already planted in your dull skull.

The content of Isaiah 43:
was it a future or present event? This is question a right seeker of true knowledge will ask..
Now look at the content..

"For I am Jehovah your God, The Holy One of Israel, your Savior. I have given Egypt as a ransom for you, E·thi·oʹpi·a and Seʹba in exchange for you. For you became precious in my eyes, You were honored, and I have loved you. So I will give people in place of you And nations in exchange for your life. Do not be afraid, for I am with you. I will bring your offspring from the east And gather you together from the west. I will say to the north, ‘Give them up!’ And to the south, ‘Do not hold them back. Bring my sons from afar, and my daughters from the ends of the earth, Everyone who is called by my name And whom I created for my own glory, Whom I have formed and made.’ Bring out a people who are blind, though they have eyes, And who are deaf, though they have ears. Let all the nations assemble in one place, And let the peoples be gathered together. Who among them can tell this? Or can they cause us to hear the first things? Let them present their witnesses to prove themselves right, Or let them hear and say, ‘It is the truth!’ “You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and have faith in me And understand that I am the same One. Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none. Isa 43:3-10 NWT

Reading only verse 10 may seems supportive to your argument but reading entire content it shattered your point, as this wasn't an instruction or a command.

That's why we always tell you guy "STOP CHERRY-PICKED SCRIPTURE" read the entire content and understand what the writer is pointing to but your fake organization won't listen.

Compare this with Jesus statement:

So when they had assembled, they asked him: “Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?” He said to them: “It does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction. But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Acts1:6-8 NWT

Isaiah statement can be summarized as for what Jehovah has done for your forefathers as EVEN NO NATIONS can have such a WITNESS for their gods BUT YOU ISRAELITES YOU ARE MY WITNESS TO THESE THINGS.

Why Jesus statement can be summarized thus; what you ask for, isn't what you need now, your own is to just BE A WITNESS of me.

"My food is for me to do the work of Him that sent me & to finish his work" John 4:34.

"Jesus answered, my teaching is NOT my own. It comes from Him who sent me..... he who works for the honor of the One who sent him is a man of truth" John 7:16,17.
That Jesus Christ is the faithful witness of Jehovah is not debatable.
Jesus himself has exposed your lies, hypocrisy & bigotry..

I have dealt with this.

the official mouthpiece of Anglican, Redeemed , Winner's, Catholics. etc , does their names mean Jesus Witness?

Your own is to just ask anyone of them who are they witnesses for...then come back here to ranting.

Receive sense. IJNA.

As Jesus Christ tarries I'll continue to school you guys about scripture, so it's you who need to receive sense and make use of it.

TATIME:
Please we're not supposed to continue with bitter arguments because from your comments it's like i'm just getting you annoyed the more, i'm really sorry for all these please forgive me. We're Jehovah's Witnesses and there's no reason for quarreling over the issue, you can choose any group name you prefer, Christianity was built on tolerance and believers should not be quarreling over what ONLY God is the judge. Thanks and God bless you!

You didn't annoy me nor can you ever near it...but my spirit can never settle with a shameless person who lacks integrity and the fear of God.

We have seen people on this same forum who made mistakes in their comments...when they know about it or notified, it's either they apologize or quietly leave the thread.

But in your own case, you lied, contradict and confuse yet you're still rubbing it in our faces to swallow your delusion.


NOW you know THEY'RE THINGS ONLY God is the judge YET you keep shouting up and down that you're the ONLY TRUE worshippers of God. Are you God to have known that?

TATIME:
It's a pity that you're now coming up with rage.Please i never meant to make you annoyed,we're just trying to reason along as your question seems simple and straightforward from a sincere heart that wish to know the reason why a religious group changed their group name.(1) "Emmanuel" was the name found in the prophecy but "Jesus" was the name Gabriel gave Mary's son.(2)"Elijah" was the name found in the prophecy but "John" was the name Gabriel gave Zachariah's son.(3)"Messiah" was the title found in the prophecies but "the son of man" is what Jesus kept calling Himself. I just want you to humbly meditate on these because if you were alive as a contemporary of both John and Jesus, your question will remain the same "Why are you not bearing Elijah?" to John and to Jesus "Why are you not bearing Emmanuel?" Or "Are you the Messiah?". So i'll advise you to learn from the mistakes of their contemporaries in order not to miss out of the race to life. Satan,demons and their human agents are always misrepresenting God's servants, and their tactics is using the names that ignorant and innocent individuals are already familiar with. God bless you!

That's why you're a very shameless person...
I'm not in rage with neither you nor anybody but I hate hypocrite.

Now see the line of your argument, does it correlate with what we've been discussing? No!

From beginning, you're the very person who said Jesus has instructed you people to SEPARATE from the name CHRISTIAN but now you're still trying as mush as possible to claim that YOU'RE STILL A CHRISTIAN but you only have a denomination NAME which is JWs.

With all these your contradictory statements and even lies from the beginning of this thread, you couldn't hide your face in shame...

The question I asked is if witnesses for Jesus is the same thing as witnesses for Jehovah, why did your Organization change from Herad for Christ to JWs.

Now you're using the case of a prophecy of Emmanuel to Jesus...was it prophesied that your organization name will change from Herad for Jesus to Jehovah witness?

Like I said you people can be pretending online claiming to be Jesus Christ witnesses but deep down inside of you, you know it's just a saving face.

I have asked you to show where Jehovah instructed you to witness for him and I'm ready to show you more than 5 places for Jesus.

1. God Himself is a witness for His son
2. The Holy Spirit is a witness of Jesus Christ
3. The prophets are witnesses of Jesus
4. The apostles are all witnesses of Jesus.
5. The early saints are all witnesses of Jesus.
6. The martyrs of Christ are all Jesus witnesses.
7. Winners, Deeper life, RCCG are all said to be Jesus witnesses...


But only you is a Jehovah witness...where is the instruction to witness for Jehovah come from?

OneJ:
U don't have any issues with members of Winner's Chapel calling themselves "winners", Anglican Church refer to themselves as "Anglicans, Catholic Church faithfuls say they are Catholics etc, yet U have been ranting up & down about JW.

Hypocrite hiding under someone's post!

Reply to your first post if you dare not.

It's now you see that these church names also the same with Jehovah witness but forgotten that these people never said they witnesses for Jehovah but for Jesus.

Yet ,U will lie that your Church has no name.

Can you provide an evidence for this?

U asked, "why do you quote Isaiah 43:10, if it's true that to witness for Jesus is to witness for Jehovah ?"

Because U refused to believe Jesus words : "Jesus answered, My teaching is not my own. It comes from Him who sent me".John 7:16.

See lies, Jesus said His teaching is not His that's but you people only use Isaiah 43:10 to proof that you're the only person following Jehovah instruction.

U claimed to be a witness for Jesus, yet U argued against his words. That's HYPOCRISY. Bro, something is wrong with U. It's the twin diseases called bigotry & hypocrisy.

"Physician" heal thyself.

Show me where Jehovah said you should witness for him, that's what have been demanding from you since.

English is not your problem even Isaiah 43:10 isn't an instruction/command.

Isaiah 40:10 "You are my witness..." compare to
Acts 1:8 "You SHALL BE my witness.."

I'm still waiting for your answer to why Herad for Christ changes to Jehovah witness if witnesses for Jesus and Jehovah are the same.

TATIME:
Jehovah's Witnesses, Jesus' Witnesses Hmmmmmmmmmm It's obvious that you're not a good student, you just love the popular group name "Christians". Well If you're looking for group names that's pleasing to listeners, you can continue searching but remember that Israelites and Jews in particular were expecting the Messiah to bear the name in the prophesies "Emmanuel" (Isaiah 7:14) whereas the Christ was never called in that name throughout His lifetime! Moreover they were expecting Elijah to return as the forerunner for the Christ (John 1:19-25) Even John himself answered "NO" when they asked him if he is Elijah who is to come before the Christ, and who are those inquiring all of these? No other than the Pharisees! It was later that Jesus declared to His own followers that John the baptist is the long awaited "Elijah". So learn a lesson that true servants of God don't declare themselves by the use of names but by ACTIONS! John 1:25 compared to Matthew 11:3-6 We're Jehovah's Witnesses you can only IDENTIFY us if you're humble enough to study what the scriptures say about us, but if you're expecting US to come by an expected popular name,i'm sorry for you.

You this liar has started quoting me, I left you because you couldn't hide your face in shame...after you caught red handed lying...

Stop quoting if you know you can't answer my questions.

Since you know you're not proofing a point by choosing to be called a JWs, are you agree that you people are not the ONLY CHRISTIAN in the world?

If being witnesses for Jesus also means witnesses for Jehovah, why did your organization change from Herad of Jesus Christ to Jehovah witness?

Or you're too dump to grab my questions

Barristter07:
Get your facts right next time before bringing up a useless thread as this based on Silly assumption Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians, if you don't have problem with other people distinguishing themselves with names like Redeemed , Methodist, Anglican, Living Faith , Catholic , You have no right to assume that because of their name , they are not Christians.

So with this, you agree that JWs are not the ONLY Christian, right?

A Witness of Jesus Christ is a Witness of Jehovah. Because everything Christ teach is from Jehovah

I know you will come with this silly logic, but why do you people always quote Isaiah 43:10? If it's true that to witness for Jesus is to witness for Jehovah?

Then why is it that Herad of Jesus change to Jehovah witness?

John 7:16 [i]
"My teaching is not My own, " Jesus replied. "It comes from Him who sent Me.

But why didn't you people just use JESUS WITNESS instead of JEHOVAH'S WITNESS?

Did you people hate the name JESUS?

Why did Herad of Jesus Christ change to Jehovah witness, if there's no difference?

But you people can continue to deceive yourselves, whereas deep down you people know you're not Jesus Christ witnesses as found in the Bible.

Barristter07:
You are not making a single sense, are Jehovahs Witnesses NOT Christians?

ehhhh so JWs are Christians but just go through this thread and see how your brothers who first comment rubbish Christian.

Christians are witnesses of Jesus Christ not Jehovah. Are you?

TATIME:
NO! NO!! NO!!! I'm not a Christian! But just one of Jehovah's witnesses trying to remind a Christian what Christ and the forerunners of Christianity taught the coming generation of Christians from the Bible on how to deal with others. I told you that the WORKS will justify whose faith is DEAD and whose faith is LIVING. Please do i call myself a Christian? Or are you seeing any sign of Christlike qualities in my comments? Sorry i'm still my humble self as one of Jehovah's witnesses.

The Bible says Satan is the father of all lies...

Now look at the color part then compare it with this your previous post:

TATIME: We're the true Christians that's why our preaching and teaching is exactly the same pattern like that of the first century followers who were called "Christians" because they were preaching and teaching NOT FORCEFULLY from house to house just the same way CHRIST did! Act 20:20

With this evidence people can see how far you can lie just to continue to propagate your false doctrine.

TATIME:
True Christians don't disturb others from practicing what they believe. They only speak for themselves and not for others, whereas it's the Pharisees that always disturb people from listening to Christ. Please if you're truly one of their kind (Christians) you should defend your own faith just like the first century Christians and leave others to defend their faith. You're not to speak for them!

So are you still a TRUE CHRISTIAN after Jesus has instructed you to do away with the name?

Go back and reply to your early comment where Faith and obedient to Jehovah righteous standard didn't allow the old people to called themselves JWs.

OneJ:
The issue is your obstinate heart.
Jesus said " my food is to do the will of Him that sent me & to finish his work" John 4:34.

Did Jesus finish the work or not as he said in this verse?

U quoted Luke 24:46-48. But what work did Jesus do?
Jesus was "proclaiming the good news of GOD.... The kingdom of God is near. Repent & believe the good news" Mark 1:14,15.
Luke 8:1

Yet you have to quote mark to corroborate Luke. funny you, jumping from scripture to scriptures.

So was Luke 24:46-48 lying when he said "repentance and forgiveness of sins should be preached in HIS name... YOU ARE WITNESSES OF THESE THINGS"

Did he witness for Jehovah? Yes. Is he a JW? Yes.
What is the command for Jesus followers?
Matt 24:14 "This gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the whole world as a testimony (witness) to all nations & then the end will come".

If U heed the command to preach the gospel, U have witnessed for Jehovah.

You said so, not the scripture. Show me where the Bible says "if you heed the command to preach the gospel. U have witnessed for Jehovah" and I'll show you more verses that said WITNESSES OF JESUS.

The early saint were called Christian that's why even your publications always address them as EARLY CHRISTIANS and not EARLY JEHOVAH WITNESS.

So who is lying, your GB or you?

Jesus said. " I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, you gave them to me& they have obeyed your word" John 17: 3-7.

You still don't get it, do you?
Why the name "Jehovah's witness"? is the title of this thread.

Your organization made a claim, which you're trying very hard to defend. That's why you said the reason why the old saints couldn't ADOPT the name JW is because of their FAITH and OBEDIENCE to Jehovah righteous standard.

And I asked you does this mean your organization lack FAITH AND OBEDIENCE to Jehovah righteous standard that's why they keep going about shouting I'm a JWs?

TATIME:
(1) The group name "Christians was adopted after the death of some followers of Jesus the same way the group name "Jehovah's witnesses" was adopted after the death of some 17th century Bible's students like brother Russell.(2) When Questions arises for reason of our faith, we try to defend it but not to go into bitter arguments. 1Timothy 6:4,Philippians 2:14,Titus 3:9 (3)Christians see good in everyone that's why we knock doors indiscriminately but WE CAN NOT SEE ANYTHING GOOD IN INTERFAITH because Jesus is one so all Christians must speak in agreement regarding SACRED SERVICES,when there is contradictions Satan is "master brain" behind it. 1Corinthians 1:10,Ephesians 4:5 (4)That's exactly what i've been trying to tell you from the onset, because after His baptism Jesus never search for Pharisees to argue or question their beliefs, on the contrary it was Pharisees, Sadusees, Scribes and other teachers of the law that kept trailing Jesus and His followers to "question their faith". Please if you're truly one of their kind i think your main focus should be the preaching and teaching work (within your neighborhood) that He commissioned and not (posting questions on social media inviting those with data for the sake of argument )

The problem you have is inability to comprehend the subject matter, this is not an insult.

From the OP the bone of contention is the claim that your organization made....which means even before Christ was born the "Jehovah witness" has been found associated with people which I demand a proof for from the scripture but only for you to be going up and down.

This leads you to even degraded the name CHRISTIAN which even people like Apostle Paul called.

This also leads you to deny the early martyrs of Christ who even laid their own life for the propagation of the word of God and called them a deceiver in Africa.

And many more which I don't want to talk about

Now look at your recent deceitful defend, in other to justify that Russell work can still be justified when fact emerged that Russell mission is to continue to Herad for Christ...you brought another useless excuse of some people died before the name CHRISTIAN was adopted...

My points are:
1. If the name of Jehovah's witness has been around over 2,700 years ago, doesn't this include Russell? Yet you're trying hard to justify that Russell died as a Christian before the name Jehovah's witness was adopted.

2. It's evident even from your responses so far that Bible only recognized the name CHRISTIAN as it solely for those who witnessed for Jesus. That's why even your publications always address the early saint as EARLY CHRISTIANS. Which was captured from the OP.

3. With these evident so far, the question title is this: why the name "Jehovah witness? "

4. from your opening comment you start off by claiming the name is justified even as Jesus himself is a Jehovah witness...but your comments that come later show how confused your are, as you're trying every possible best to defend your organization.

5. Lastly, for you to continue to committ further blunder I'll advice you go back to the opening page, read diligently, your comments and my corresponding response.

God's Kingdom message isn't for those who won't welcome it because Christians are not to look for means to argue! God bless you.

So you're now a CHRISTIAN? I thought you said Jesus has instructed you not to associate with that name...

Thank God I still have time your post about this and you can't modify it.

NOTE: I know you will still go off point in replying my post.

TATIME:
James,Stephen and many other followers of Jesus have died before they adopted the group name Christians!

And that means the name Christian is a pagan or what?

Well it's like you're only interested in arguments but we're not taught to argue with people

You're not taught to be arguing but you go from thread to thread defending your organization...cut that crap...

who aren't seeing anything good in our presentation.

And you think everybody must reason the way you do.
You as a JWs do you see anything good about another person?

That's why i said earlier "continue witnessing for Jesus while i continue witnessing for Jehovah" the WORKS will justify whose faith is DEAD or ALIVE! James 2:26

I will continue to Witness for Jesus because that's the instruction from Jesus which can be found in the Bible, What His Father, all the prophets and His disciples did.

TATIME:
You're going back to arguments again. Well let me clear this for you, Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. He has been given a name above every other name so that at the mention of His name every knee(of those who want everlasting life) must bow!

Your NWT inserted "OTHER" what the correct Bible says is 'He has been given a name that is above every name'

When He was with His first Apostles "in the flesh" speaking to them face to face, there are many times they failed to grasp what He is instructing them instantly, until He explained in clear terms before they could comprehend what He is saying. Matthew 16:6-12 compared to John 11:11-14 So now that He's directing His congregation "in the Spirit"(Matthew 28:20) How do you expect His followers who can't see Him face to face to easily grasp what He's telling them?

Same line of weak excuse...
The question you should have asked yourself is, did Jesus allow them to die believing a lie if your claim actually true? Not all of them died without knowing the truth...
But why would the same Jesus allow Russel to die believing lies?

because the last time I check
Russell was not a Jehovah witness but "herad of Christ"
Russell died believing many things that are against JWs teaching today...yet today JWs still honored him.

See this: In response to the radical new direction Rutherford was taking the Watchtower Society, many left the Organization and formed independent Bible Student groups. In an effort to distance his followers from this "evil slave class," Rutherford introduced the distinguishing name Jehovah's Witnesses. This is introduced by a convention resolution, described in the
Watchtower 1931 Sep 15 page 278 and discussed in detail in the article "A New Name" Oct 1 page 291.

Please we understand the issue much more than your argument, what we need is to identify "those doing the WORK He commissioned today"

You don't understand it rather you always bring ridiculous excuses to justify it instead of asking yourself some thoughtful questions.

TATIME:
If you want to work for Jesus, i think the scriptures outlined how to go about it because Jehovah God made sure that instead of two or three witnesses as written in the Mosaic laws, four persons namely Matthew, Mark, Luke and John bore witness to the truth regarding the life and ministry of Jesus of Nazareth.

You get and nail it.

All these four gospel writers made us to understand how Jesus did the WORK of His father and commissioned His faithful followers to do the same thing.

You don't get it, do you?

Show me where this four writers talks about THE WORKS that Jesus did that we should continue AS THE BASIS FOR SALVATION...you see this is where you miss it. Christ gave His life for the sin of the world...it was this redemption from sin that Christ asked US to continue to proclaim...the same book of lLuke highlighted this... Luke 24:46-48 "In this way it is written that the Christ would suffer and rise from among the dead on the third day, [b]and on the basis of his name repentance for forgiveness of sins would be preached in all the nations-starting out from Jerusalem, YOU are to be witnesses of these things."[b]

You see it was the basis of the sacrifice that we are witness of.

Stop reading watchtower and awake alone...read the Bible for yourself.

Later Luke was Inspired to write the Bible book of ACTS OF APOSTLES, this was appropriate so that future faithful ones could learn from the book of ACTS how the "first century" Christians organized themselves to continue doing the WORK God's only begotten son did and handed over to Christians.

So Jesus handed over His works to CHRISTIANS and not JEHOVAH WITNESSESS, yet you claiming what Jesus didn't do.

So i think baseless and faceless arguments on social media regarding the GROUP NAME those doing the WORK chose to bear is unnecessary. What matters is "who are doing the SAME WORK that Jesus did and handed over to His first century followers?".

And you're God to know who is actually doing His work, right? Just like someone said to you on that thread of a brother who is seeking advice about marrying a JWs, the person says "the way the Pharisees are doing during Jesus time claiming to be the very One upholding God's law and doing righteous is the same way JWs are doing today, thinking they're the only one among thousands of denominations serving God."

Yet the Bible says: "anyone who think he stands take a heed lest he falls"

TATIME:
It's obvious that your problem is the word "witnesses" because i can't just figure out why you're disturbing yourself about the person i chose to witness for.

You guite see the title of the thread before you jumped in to comment but obviously you thought is as usual where you get away with the lies and rant...

So I don't have problem with the WORD WITNESS but the lies your organization put forth which is very glaring in the course of fine-tuning this thread from you people.

I'm one of Jehovah's witnesses and you're one of Jesus' witnesses, so let each one continue doing the WORKS without disturbing or castigating each other.

But you've been castigating other people even going to extend that CHRISTIAN is polluted that's why Jesus gave you instruction to ADOPT a new name...

If i knock on your door to present my message and you reject it, it's simple "where not on the same side". If you knock on my door to present your message (which i don't think you'll ever do) i'll welcome you in without a second thought because i know that's what Jesus commanded His followers to be doing.

Now claiming a victim side, who always rejects others people message if not your people?

Like I said earlier, always claiming to be THE ONLY ONE at the top, you think others don't go house to house only JWs do that...

So since you know that's what Jesus commanded, why always claim to be the only one doing it?

And if by the end of the day i discovered your messages differs from what i expected, all i need to do is get to know more perhaps i'm missing something.

See another lie, how many times have you taken your time to verify any information about your doctrines? We see how you jump around here always defending JWs that's not what a seeker of truth does.

But facelessly and namelessly arguing on social media has nothing as in NOTHING to do with what Jesus commanded His faithful followers.

What Jesus commanded his faithful followers is boldly written in the Bible and every biblical Students know it...it's left for you to decide whether you're truly following Jesus commandment or a group of people at headquarter commandment.

The attached pix is the first Bible verse Rutherford used to defend the ADOPTION of "Jehovah's witness" name but when he late realized that the verse was actually talking about another thing, he then used Isaiah which you people always point to today.

Whereas, you already said it's Jesus who instructed you to ADOPT the name....Is that how a true follower of Jesus Christ behave?

mobiyina537:
they're the one and only group doing the WORK! James 2:26[color=#FFFFFF].[/color]

If they're the only one doing the work, how did Christianity spreed across?