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Travel › Re: Flood Washes Off Part Of Kwaita Bridge Along Lokoja - Abuja Expressway (Photos) by Emusan(m): 9:36pm On Aug 25, 2018

Lebee4:
And where did you learn this aspect of your Engineering?

Travel › Re: Flood Washes Off Part Of Kwaita Bridge Along Lokoja - Abuja Expressway (Photos) by Emusan(m): 7:47pm On Aug 25, 2018

metronaija2:
Motorists are advised to be cautious as they approach Kwaita Bridge along Lokoja - Abuja Expressway due to the wash-off of a major part of the bridge. The flood affected both sides of the bridge.

http://www.metronaija.ng/photos-flood-washes-off-part-of-kwaita-bridge/

The contractor needs to be arrested.
How can you construct a bridge without an abutment on the other side?

Even the side that has abutment wasn't protected well...

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Christianity Etc › Re: Questions For Hardmirror by Emusan(m): 7:32pm On Aug 25, 2018

malvisguy212:
lol. were is pleatton ? come and see your atheists brother who can speak in tongues............I'm beginning to think, very soon atheism will be address as religion.

Smile...he even said he got baptized in the Holy Ghost but ask him about his experience. he'll try to relate it to knowledge cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Canon? by Emusan(m): 9:21pm On Aug 23, 2018

tartar9:
You forgot to add that both the canon and apocrypha are all of dubious origins

And your own Muhammad copied from these dubious origins...

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jws, Beware Of Apostates by Emusan(m): 9:34am On Aug 22, 2018

Hairyrapunzel:
According to watchtower magazine Jesus was disobeying jehovah when he talked to Satan.

When did jehovah say anybody who criticises gb teaching, Jw beliefs or cast Jw in bad light is an apostate?

Give us bible verse

JMAN05 OneJ

Can you answer these and support it with scripture?

because you people always say they's nothing you do that can't be found in the scripture.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jws, Beware Of Apostates by Emusan(m): 9:28am On Aug 22, 2018

JMAN05:
Obedience to our creator is not fear. But it doesn't matter what others say. Jehovah hates it. I discuss with people here on nairaland, and if you wish Seun, we can talk about my belief. But never, ever with an apostate handed over to Satan. Never!

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Belief In God And Science Mutually Exclusive? by Emusan(m): 12:50pm On Aug 15, 2018

nwabekeyi:
I have thought about this in this manner also but it doesn't make sense to me.

This is where you missed it, it's not about you rather about what God says in His word.

This your statement is one of the things that gave rise to many denominations in Christendom today. Using fallible mind to counter God's word so that it will make people feel happy.

It's not possible for earth and the universe to be created in "literally" six days, God is not a magician, if you follow that text literally, you will miss it.
God has made the earth is such a way that things happens gradually with time, it doesn't happen in a twinkle of an eyes. Eg.

You don't grow in a day
Women don't get pregnant and deliver in a day
Plants and trees don't grow in a day.

If the word of God says the universe was created in six literally days, who are you to say otherwise because you think it shouldn't be?

But you were born in a day (in fact in few hours)
Pregnancy occurs in a day (in fact in few seconds)
Plant and tree start to sprout in a day

Growing is a process and you didn't read it anywhere where the Bible says God was growing the heavens and earth.

You have to also understand my own concept to that scripture rather than forcing me to take yours. It's quite beyond what you think

I didn't force it on you that's why I took my time to explain and I think my explanation is very simple to decipher even for a primary pupils.

NOTE: Your misunderstanding about 2 Peter is why I quote you in the first place because 2 Peter has nothing to do with Genesis creation account as I clearly explained before.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Belief In God And Science Mutually Exclusive? by Emusan(m): 12:10pm On Aug 15, 2018

nwabekeyi:
Reason bro, put on your thinking Cap.

God said I created the earth and all within in 6 days in genesis and in psalms and 2 peters he said a day in his eyes might be thousands of years to us. Make a sense out it, there's no other part of the bible that discribes the timing of God aside these two. God didn't lie, we don't understand Genesis

How do you guys read you own bible?

You don't get it, do you? And you people don't take time to grab the intent of the author rather just pick a verse and use it the way you want.

Now, let me expatiate that 2 Peter for you so that you can see the clear picture the Blessed Apostle is trying to bring out.

"...With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day."

The underline is our focus,

1 day = 1,000 years
1,000 years = 1 day

From the first instance, it means (let's assuming by year 5050 the whole world will be one language) this event is so-so far to we human but to God it's just like a day or tomorrow here.

In the second instance, it means (if universe is actually Billion years old) those years are just like a day OR yesterday to God that the event happened but to we human it's a very long event.

You can see the writer's picture clearly here that God wasn't bond by time the way we human are.

That's why the verses before this was talking about people impatient who think the event of Jesus second coming is taken longer time to happen but this event is just like tomorrow with God even though it's over 2000years now to us.

This is totally different from Genesis creation account that used "...and evening and morning were first day"

If those days were actually thousand years the author could've simply wrote First years but using the phrase EVENING AND MORNING means the author is actually talking about our 24hrs.

That's why I asked where do you place EVENING AND MORNING in your years? Though you couldn't answer!

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Belief In God And Science Mutually Exclusive? by Emusan(m): 8:44am On Aug 15, 2018

nwabekeyi:
that is not true, can you kindly explain this verses below?

Psalms 90 vs 4
A thousand years in your sight
are like a day that has just gone by,
or like a watch in the night.

2 Peter 3 vs 8
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

Now relate those passages to Genesis chapter one

These two passages never have anything to do with Genesis account.

In Genesis the phrase "and the EVENING and the MORNING were first day" appeared throughout the creation account.

Where was evening and morning belong in years?

So, you might have misunderstood those passages or calling God a liar by saying EVENING AND MORNING didn't make a day.

What those passages simply mean is that time is not hidden from God or God doesn't bond with time.

Science/Technology › Re: NASA Launches Parker Solar Probe For Historic Mission To The Sun (Photos) by Emusan(m): 10:37pm On Aug 13, 2018

calculator123:
Help your ignorance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMINSD7MmT4.
Except you can give me evidence as to why you think it isn't possible.

The problem with people like you is that you don't do your own research.

Watching the video, you can see an unbroken radio communication between the astronauts and the control room infact there's another video where US President was shown to be communicating with the astronauts.

But let me tell you, at the early stage of putting second ISS in space. The second leap to overcome was COMMUNICATION because they want to carry out experiment and they need unbroken line of communication. The problem is, radio wave can only TRAVEL in a STRAIGHT LINE.

So how did they over come it?
First, They fixed over 20 radio receivers around the globe. Some were even fixed on the deck of a ship. So that as the ISS flying over them, the nearest receiver can pick up the signal and transmit it.

Second, that wasn't enough because of percentage of water and the ship can't speed like the ISS, so 8 special aircraft were constructed and each carried a receiver. these aircraft will be flying round the earth.

Lastly, Now look at the processes or methods they undergone just to have unbroken communication with ISS which is just some few kilometers away. Mind you satellite weren't common that time. Today, they're over 9 satellite that the ISS flying under to transmit information.

Tell me which technology that can transmit both Video and radio from the moon which is million miles away down to the earth in late 50s?

Now, look at this sun mission, the same people will tell us that why the probe is millions of miles away from the earth, they can still receive signal from it. The most advanced satellite in the world can't transmit signal over a million miles without intermediate booster.

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Science/Technology › Re: NASA Launches Parker Solar Probe For Historic Mission To The Sun (Photos) by Emusan(m): 9:04am On Aug 13, 2018

mekleelex200:
I made a little research in what u said and I can see some conspiracy in NASA space travels, please can u tell me more sir. I look forward to ur response. Thanks.

See reading about astrophysics and space with open mind will make you to realize that this people are not to be trusted about their claim.

When I first having Change of mind is about GRAVITY.

How can the huge SUN gravity that holds the biggest planet Jupiter in the solar system from falling away still allow Earth gravity to operate freely.

Christianity Etc › Re: Can Atheists Prove God Does Not Exist? by Emusan(m): 9:17pm On Aug 12, 2018

That's why I said you need a Bible School not online argument.

akeensbussy:
I must bear the consequences of the sin I never committed in the first place....

The only sin you'll bear consequence for is the one YOUR ADAMIC NATURE causes you to commit i.e killing, idolatry, fornication e.t.c

according to the bible, sin were committed by Adam and Eve...

This is where you missed it.
The sin Bible recorded being committed by Adam & Eve is the one that CORRUPTED their NATURE.

This corruption is the one that leads to death and allow Satan's influence to penetrate.

Now, let me break it down for you.

I will use English word of "SIN" as an acronym which means "Satan's Influence over Nature"

Before Adam & Eve sinned, nothing can be traced to their own life at that time like SIN, their NATURE can't die nor opens to Satan's influence.

So the corruption of Adam's Nature and how this corrupted Nature can allow Satan's influence to penetrate is what Bible was talking about in Genesis

then me that was born more than 2000 years later still suffering from the consequences... And God is loving God. He said we should forgive while He will not forgive...

The reason you suffer from the consequence is because you're still born with the same CORRUPTED NATURE of Adam & Eve.

I know your point is Jesus' death supposed to vanish sin meanwhile you didn't know that people who live on earth today are not directly born by Jesus.

Now, see how Bible put it;
1. You must be BORN again. Why? Because you need a new nature
2. How will it be possible, by going into one Mother's womb? No! You need to be born of Water & Spirit.
3. That's why, "if any MAN be IN CHRIST, he is a NEW CREATURE..."
NOTE: The word used for MAN here can also refer to NATURE and I intentionally bolden the IN because it expresses the actual phrase used for a baby in the womb

The Bible is a fairytale.....

Besides, I am not an Athiest..just that I don't belief in the God painted in the christian bible.

If you don't believe then your conclusion shouldn't be "fairytale"

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Christianity Etc › Re: Which One Of These Has Science Shown To Take Millions Of Years To Form? by Emusan(m): 9:42am On Aug 08, 2018

eventtinz:
i reckon you don"t read much...just like every other theist.

Why can't you answer it with proof?

Politics › Re: 12 Sokoto Lawmakers Abandon Tambuwal, Declare Support For Buhari by Emusan(m): 5:31pm On Aug 01, 2018

and what happened to the remaining 18?
Or is 12 greater than 18?

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Politics › Re: What If After All This Defection Hurricane And Gra Gra Buhari Wins 2019? by Emusan(m): 5:19pm On Aug 01, 2018

vicky4227:
While I seem to be amazed by the rate of defection in APC at the moment, I can’t help but think that Baba Bubu has something up his sleeves.

What if after the whole movement and ship jumping in 2019 this man inserts a surprise movie for Nigerians to watch?

What if he wins?

Just thinking aloud.

What you people failed to know is "those who helped PMB to power in 2015 know exactly what they did before he could win, now they know exactly what they will do to take power away from him"

Prior to 2015 Obasanjo was the first to tear PDP apart before deflection from PDP started.

If you know Nigeria politic very well your calculation should tell you that APC will soon become what PDP became but all these are just for the same selfish interest of the politicians.

This recent defection should tell Nigerians that this is the right time to dissapoint all the politicians by making sure no election in 2019 unless a drastic plan toward national growth is achieved.

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Politics › Re: Tell Me How And Which Magic Will Buhari Perform To Win In 2019 by Emusan(m): 10:21pm On Jul 31, 2018

Wise word...
Those who brought PMB to power know exactly what they did before he could win and they're doing the same thing now to take power away from him.

If you know you know!

Politics › Re: Zamfara Killings: Amnesty International Makes Shocking Revelations by Emusan(m): 10:07pm On Jul 31, 2018

The people who brought PMB to power know exactly what they did before he could win and they're also doing the same to take power away from him.

if you know you know

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Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Christian Or Believer Loose The Holy Spirit In Them? by Emusan(m): 10:17pm On Jul 30, 2018

bloodofthelamb:
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God( 1John1:3).

I make mistakes but I am not a sinner. I am a baby in righteousness growing by his grace unto full maturity in righteousness.

Now see the way you're twisting and dodging the question.

Is there anything in the scripture that is called MISTAKE? You know you're not perfect yet fail to admit that you do sin.

Besides, you claimed you're not a sinner, are you God?

Even people who walked with Jesus when He was alive can't say they're not sinner!

The way Devil is playing with your salvation is so wide...

Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Christian Or Believer Loose The Holy Spirit In Them? by Emusan(m): 7:49pm On Jul 30, 2018

bloodofthelamb:
You are save. First of all a saved man is a new creature( 2Cor5:17), with a new nature of righteousness and not of murder.

The new creation in Christ desires peace, good, life, health for his neighbour.

It will be hard and rare for him to murder someone. For Christ has so much transformed him. Nevertheless, the new creation cannot be condemned no matter the mistake.

Christ is his sure foundation.

So you mean as you are now, you don't use to commit any sin?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Christian Or Believer Loose The Holy Spirit In Them? by Emusan(m): 5:44pm On Jul 30, 2018

jiggaz:
With this your reply, you have answered the question as a typical Nigerian Works-Based Christian. The Holy Spirit can never depart from a Believer no matter what. If it is so, that means that a Believer can also lose their Salvation which is not possible. Cos Apostle Paul said in the Scripture that we are sealed with the Holy Spirit the first day we received CHRIST into our life, pending the day of our redemption which is the Rapture. But i don't expect you to understand cos all of you have been brainwashed into thinking that it you that keeps your Salvation and not God.

My question goes to that underline...
If I have been sealed with Holy Spirit the very day I received Christ, and on the long run I committed a murder and I didn't repent. Am I still save?

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Christianity Etc › Re: How Is Jesus Both God And Man? by Emusan(m): 4:20pm On Jul 26, 2018

UyiIredia:
Anytime I ask this question Christians start quoting Scripture. But it is good to reason things out.

Quoting scripture is to validate the claim of spiritual blessings they have partook with early saint and Jesus being God doesn't defile logic, in fact it fits into logic well once you acknowledge also that God is OMNIPOTENT which means God can do anything in fact that's why God called Himself I Am that I Am

If God is capable of doing anything, do you think He can't become a baby and still be God?

God is eternal, but Jesus was born. Does that mean God was born?

In fact, reading the Bible and in comparison with man's knowledge about God will let you know why Christian worshipping Jesus as God.

Just like I told one Jehovah witness brother, that the problem they have with the scripture is inability to know when the Bible writers wrote about Jesus before He entered into creation/became man and after He became part of creation/became man.

Before He became part of creation He was not known as Jesus Christ but THE ETERNAL LIFE, CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE e.t.c this sum up His name as THE ETERNAL WORD OF GOD.

Note: Even JWs know this but they try to explain away this by saying Jesus is just the representative of God that's why He was called The Word of God.

They know that God is eternal as His Word is eternal.

God is omnipotent, but Jesus was weak, beaten, injured and crucified by Roman soldiers, does that mean God can be beaten, injured and killed on a cross?

I also use to tell people that, The Word of God didn't enter creation to proof that He His God rather to fulfill the very purpose He came into creation for. Meanwhile, Jesus is omnipotent because He is the one who upholds creation by the word of His POWER.

God is omniscient but the where is the evidence of Jesus knowing everything?

If Jesus didn't know everything he would have rebuked His disciples when they said to Him "Now are we sure that thou knowest ALL THINGS..."

God existed before and created the universe but Jesus came after the universe was made, does that mean God was born after the universe and made from it?

The man Jesus was a body which the Word of God who existed before ALL THINGS and CREATED all things dwell.

God is of no tribe but Jesus was a Jew, does that mean God is a Jew?

A human body was delivered to the tribe of Jews where the ETERNAL WORD dwell to fulfill the promise of God to the word.

If God and Jesus are different how can they be the same thing?

You're right, God and Jesus are different simply because it's being known by man that God is eternal and the creator, and Jesus is a man but what we are saying is, what is the NATURE of the person of Jesus before He became part of creation?

So if man has known God to be eternal and creator and the man who they know as Jesus was eternal and creator that made Him God.

Not only you have raised issue like this, the critics of Jesus in His own time were also confused that's why they could say to Jesus [b]"even though you're a man but making thyself God"[/quote]They know the way Jesus presented Himself is all knowledge they've known about God.

I'm not here to argue with you but raising some silent points from the scripture.

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Crime › Re: How POS Machines Fraudsters Operate In Nigeria (Photos, Video) by Emusan(m): 2:46pm On Jul 21, 2018

dainformant:
Nigerians have got to be extra careful as fraudsters have upped their game in scamming unsuspecting Nigerians of their hard earned money. A man was caught on CCTV stealing the a POS machines at an eatery.

In the video which was posted online in order to identify the culprit (the man in a suit), the suspected fraudster can be seen standing at the counter while pretending to be a customer before stealing the POS machine after a staff turned away while attending to others.

The man immediately concealed the stolen machine in a newspaper before walking away.

According to reports, the scammers bug the POS machines and return them back to where they were stolen from. Once a debit/ATM card is swiped on them, the bank account details are forwarded to the fraudsters who will then clear their victim's accounts withing minutes.

Source; https://www.nationalhelm.co/2018/07/see-the-way-fraudsters-are-using-to-scam-nigerians-through-pos-machines.html

Watch Video HERE.

That's why I don't use POS and any wise fellow can use my method.

Firstly, I've mastered my all ATM codes: the number, expiring date, password & ccv of hand. This allows me not to be going out with ATM.

Secondly, I make sure I use online transfer not BANK APP but system like Quickteller. This will allow me to verify any transaction.

Lastly, anywhere I want to transact, I quickly ask for their account number and sometimes if I need cash, I'll add the amount of cash I needed to whatever I bought.

Sense will not kill me

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Christianity Etc › Re: Can Atheists Prove God Does Not Exist? by Emusan(m): 11:18am On Jul 19, 2018

Statement like this always shows that you people need critical Bible study and not online discussion.

akeensbussy:
Religion is a Scam....

Says the person who didn't even understand Religion.

The bible says men fall into sin when Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit....Anybody born after that were born sinners.

Did you also know that the same Bible categorized the sin men fell to into two?
1. Our nature has been corrupted
2. Common sin you know today like lying, killing, unfaithfulness, lover of immortality e.t.c

Why is it that when Jesus Christ was crucify for the sin men, anybody born after that were not saint?

Anybody who accepts Jesus Christ as his personal Savior and Lord is a NEW CREATURE.

What do you understand by this?

if the death of Jesus Christ is for remission of sin..then automatically, everybody on earth today should be saint... not sinner again.

You failed to realize that Bible spoke about two different sins and how these sins will be eliminated.

Firstly, as Jesus Christ came, he gave power to live above the second sin I mentioned above.

Lastly, if one can sustain/live above the second sin till the very end when Jesus will restore the FIRST NATURE then the person will possess the UNTAINTED NATURE lost during Adam time. Then there won't be sin NO MORE.

This is what the Bible says.

if all of us are still born sinner, what it is the purpose of the death of Jesus to appeal God?

You're born sinner simply means you still possess the very HUMAN NATURE of Adam that's why death is still reigned in Mortal body but these "Death and Sin" will be know more.

Did you read that in your Bible?

Religion is a scam indeed.

Says again by the person who doesn't understand it.

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Emusan(m): 5:34pm On Jul 18, 2018

OneJ:
In your last statement, U actually mean that the respect I accord to U must be same as that I give to my daddy.
In other words, Christ Jesus & his Father are one, just like Christ ,his Father & disciples are one. In like manner that husband & wife are one.

So you quickly modified your point anyway what I asked you isn't about being one but the gravity of the statement itself "JUST AS" This shows that I'm demanding for EQUAL RIGHT.

Jesus says "So that men will honor the Son JUST AS they honor the Father"

In your first reply before modification, you said "and you think I will respect you like my father" you know the effect that's why you quickly modified it.

Agreed that two personalities were stated in John 1:2. God Almighty & his only begotten son "who is at his Father's side" (John 1:18). In any context that father & son relationship exist, one is always greater than the other. Do U agree,

Trinitarian has always maintained that The Father is GREATER than the Son in position but not in NATURE. So stop following the wrong view of Trinity through the speck of your organization.

That's why I do say that you people need Bible study and not online debate.

The Hebrew bible of Micah 5:2..."whose origin are far in the past, back in ancient times". Another Hebrew language translation reads :
"..his origin is from of old,from the days of yore".

Contrary to your opinion,the texts does infact only pointed Christ pre human existence before his birth on earth as the God sent Messiah.

Just imagine and listing to your twisting.

His ORIGIN is from ETERNITY! The key point here is ETERNITY, can a created being have ORIGIN from EVERLASTING/ETERNITY/ANCIENT DAYS.

Just like I said you need Bible study, the Father Himself is "THE BEGINNING" does that make the Father to be created?

Una come frame am like say Christ na Baba God Almighty.

But una com frame am like say Jesus no com from eternity nor God.

Prov8:22-30 " Yahweh (Adonai, The Lord ) possessed (acquired/ brought me forth/made) me at the beginning of his way,the first of his ancient works". (source: biblegateway).

God's word has spoken for itself. Nothing can I add to it at all.

You people don't pay attention to the scripture contents which has made Satan to use the opportunity in manipulating you.

The verse says "....at the BEGINNING of his WAY" So kindly tell the how the Father who is eternal has a beginning way!

Then you will know it's either you lack the knowledge or misconstrue the writer intent.

Pls show me from scripture where "only begotten son or first born " was applied to the Almighty God. Or where Baba God prayed. to Jesus or took orders from Christ. Jesus? Shalom.

Show me where only begotten or first born was applied to the Son before he came to earth.

Did the Father become human?

Christianity Etc › Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Emusan(m): 1:21am On Jul 15, 2018

OneJ:
The website (ntgreek.com) U dey copy & paste have exposed your Trinity lie lie. Pls read again, wetin U copy & paste below::
"However, since it (John 1:1c) does not have the definite article ("the", it does indicate that this Word was not the same person as the Father God."
Bro, no be Arabic or French be that.
Na simple English.

John17:3,17 "Now this is eternal life: that they may know you ,the only true God,and Jesus Christ,whom you have sent"
Vs 17: Sanctify them by the truth;your word is truth"
Jesus Christ our Messiah has revealed the truth. Therefore, he has provided a trustworthy and credible answer to your question.
BTW,between U & Jesus , who is more credible? If wetin Jesus talk for John 17:3,17 dey vex U, then quarrel with your Bible.

Your crooked twist & somersault responses proves beyond doubt that U are more confused than I had reckoned.

U don't have to accept or concur with the beliefs of JW, but resist the itch to malign Jehovah's name.
Shalom.

Answer his question and stop beating around the bush.

Is Jesus Christ a true God or not since you agree he is a god?

I asked you question the other time and you purposely ignored it because you know you'll short yourself in the leg.

Did Jesus deny being God in John 10:33?

The reason I asked you is because your version translated it as "...although being a man, make yourself a god."

Now if what the Jews accused Jesus for is being "a god" while then did Jesus deny it? did Jesus didn't know that he is a god? or could it be that your version is what is faulty here?

Christianity Etc › Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Emusan(m): 1:00am On Jul 15, 2018

It's still evident that you're still beating around the bush.

OneJ:
1) Pls stop the deceit & receive sense .John 1:2. "He was with God in the beginning.".
Emusan, U wanna claim that God Almighty was with Himself. How does it sound to your ears?

Two personalities WERE together from beginning and the second was called THE ETERNAL LIFE, can ETERNAL be created?

Mind you one of those things that made the father God is that He is ETERNAL. Now, if the Bible says Jesus is also ETERNAL, what does that mean?

2) Micah 5:2 " But you.... whose origin (or beginning/ birth) are from of old,from ancient times".
Emusan, don't deceive & shortchange your self. "Birth/Beginning" are other words U can substitute for the word, "origin"? Pls insert it there.

Imagine, simple English is hard for you to comprehend here. Now let's even follow your own pattern, the verse says His BIRTH/BEGINNING is from ETERNITY. Does a created being come from ETERNITY?

Whereas, the Hebrew word in that verse is "<mowtsa'ah>" which is best describes as 'going forth' just as KJV put it. This best described as being in action from eternity.

3) U are being clever by half.
John 1:3. "THROUGH HIM all things were made; without him nothing was made that had been made" .
Jesus is a medium (he was "the craftsman" beside his Father ) deployed by Baba God Almighty to create all other things. (Personified as wisdom in Prov8:22-36)
Hebrew 1:2 "But in these last days he (Baba God ) has spoken to us by his Son ,whom he ( Baba God) APPOINTED heir of all things & THROUGH WHOM HE MADE THE UNIVERSE"

I laugh anytime you people try to use Prov 8 without noticing the implication on what you're claiming.

For your information, the context of prov 8 shows that it was the FATHER who was actually carrying out the creative activities not Wisdom.

If you're in doubt, check how it was written:
v26 - while as yet HE had not made the earth
v27 - when HE prepared the heavens...when HE set a compass...
v28 - When HE established the cloud...when HE strengthen the fountains e.t.c

The HE here, who is he? The father or Wisdom?

So the content of John 1:3 simply means NOTHING has been created pro to the time CREATION begins unless you want to tell us that Jesus is the one who created Himself.
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Jesus is the beginning of creation. He was created. Yes. Colos 1:13-17.
Rev3:14

The very first thing we read in Col 1:17 is "He existed before ANYTHING else, and holds ALL CREATION together" did Jesus is the one holding himself?

Just as you interpret origin to be birth/beginning why can't you also look at the Greek words used in those verses whether it actually means CREATED?

But the question you're still dodging is, the BIBLE says Jesus is THE eternal life, can eternal life be created?

4) Pls stop your lies against the truth.
Jesus received authority from his Father. He is the appointed heir that Baba God put into Office. Hebrew 1:2.
John17:1,2 " After Jesus said this..... For you granted him (Jesus) authority over all people that he (Jesus) might give eternal life to all those you have given him"

You still don't want to learn.
When Jesus became part of the creations John 1:10, He became first born (preeminence) of creation, He was appointed heir of all things, He grew in wisdom and knowledge, He became first born among dead e.t.c

This was the very point the blessed Apostle Paul was addressing in the same Colossians 1:18 "...so that HE ALONE in everything and in every respect might occupy the chief place [stand first and preeminent]"- AMP

"...so that HE Himself will COME to have FIRST place in everything" - NASB

"...so He is FIRST in everything" - NLT

"...so that he might become the one who is first in all things; - NWT

Can you see that when Jesus became part of the creations He has to become FIRST.

5) Jesus & his Father are one just as Jesus & his disciples are one.
John 17:11b" Holy Father, protect them... so that they may be one as we are one".
vs 21: "that all of them may be one, Father ,just as you are in me & I am in you".
In the same manner that husband & wife are one. "They are no longer two but one" Matt19:4-6.
Can two walk together except they agree? Amos 3:3.
Emusan, pls receive sense IJNA..

Nobody asked you this. I only show you that even your organization admitted that Jesus posseses ALL THINGS man knows that makes a being to be God.

The Jews who listened to Jesus understood Him perfectly but you and your organization are just a tool in the hand of the Devil to manipulate the truth.

Imagine, if I tell you, OneJ you must respect me JUST AS you respect your Daddy...what do I mean by that?

Christianity Etc › Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by Emusan(m): 8:12pm On Jul 14, 2018

OneJ:
Mutteylaff, Trinitarian folks (ntgreek, Emusan who said "Jesus is not the Father' & Primesky who argued that Jesus is the Father) ,as shown above your views contradict each other because Una false doctrine dey confuse all of una.
Confusion transmission . Hahahahahaaa !

U too are confused . See the evidence .below....

It's evident that you're the confused one here.....

There is no scripture where Christ gave command or orders to his Father. Why ? John14:28 the Father is greater than Jesus His son.

However, 1 Cor 2:16 says " we Christians have the mind of Christ," not the mind of God.
Jesus said (John14:24. 7:16)"What I teach is not mine,but belongs to Him who sent me"
Matt24:36 " Only the Father knows that Day & Hour" because Jesus is not God & he does not know what God knows.

Christ never claimed or said he is God. Trinitarian folks imposed Godship on Jesus by fire by force.....
Shalom

Like I do say, you people lack the scriptural knowledge about how Bible presented Jesus Christ that's why your teachings have always been forth and back.

As you missed it, Jesus didn't come to earth to prove to anyone that He is God rather to do His Father's will

Meanwhile, I've noticed that you people couldn't phantom when Bible refers to Jesus (NOTE: I used Jesus for simple understanding) before He become part of His own creation and when He finally became part of His own creation.

WHAT SCRIPTURE SAYS ABOUT HIM BEFORE HE BECAME PART OF CREATION?
1. He is THE ETERNAL LIFE (NOTE the writer said "THE" wink

1 John 1:2.....eternal life can't be created
2. His ORIGIN was from TIME INDEFINITE (according to NWT) or as other versions put it "eternity, everlasting, ancient days: which is what the Father claimed by Himself....Mic 5:2
3. "NOTHING was created without Him....John 1:3" which means He's not part of creation.

These three points are enough for now because they are many of them!

These are the Biblical truth that even the disciples of Jesus know that's why person like Thomas can proclaim to Him as "My Lord and my God" and made all early Christians to pray to Him including Steven.

These are the truth that people like Mathetes 130AD, Polycarp(one of the disciples of Apostle John himself) 150AD, Justin Martyr e.t.c believe that made them to call Jesus God.

Mind you, these are early prominent Christian erlders which even your own Organization recognized their teachings and applaud.

A time is coming when I'll teach you people on this forum how Bible made distinguish between when Jesus was not part of creation and when He became part of creation.

Just like your organization admitted in their publication when they were trying to prove that "I and my father are one" isn't meant Jesus is God. it read "Well, Jesus is saying that he has powers that the Jews believe belong to God alone. For example, regarding the “sheep” he said: “I give them everlasting life,” which is something humans cannot do. (John 10:28 ) Jesus: the way, the truth, and the life; subtopic: one with the father, but not God, pg. 188 https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/jesus/ministry-in-judea/not-equal-to-god/#?insight[search_id]=0605e742-3d9b-464e-a79f-0d0892d0847c&insight[search_result_index]=0

You can see your organization actually know that many things that Biblical writers applied to Jesus are actually what we know ONLY GOD POSSESES but in other to keep themselves confused the more they later said in the next text that "....The Jews are overlooking the fact that Jesus has openly admitted that he received authority from his Father"

Lastly, I asked you does it mean Jesus denied being God in John 10:30 or not? because you didn't answer it.

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