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removetheturban:
I believe that people grow and as they mature, they decide the psychological pattern that suits them because we all have the freedom to choose. In honesty, this question is sutured to spark a wave of tumult which is digressional. I wave.

That's how you will know you've made to believe a lie.

If the Bible says Jesus is the Firstborn of all creation and you took that to mean FIRST CREATED then you're on the wrong side of understanding.

Besides, man begat man if Jesus is the Firstborn and begotten (which you agreed) it means God is the one who begotten Him, then will what God begotten not God or a lesser god?

enilove:
It not about watering down but about fact.

The kingdom is the kingdom of God the Father.
In God's Kingdom , Jesus has a throne and God the Father has His throne which is higher than that of the Son :

Revelation 3:20-21 KJV
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
[21] To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

I quite understand your point but we should try to grab the whole message of the scripture which the people like the Op and his congregations failed to know.

The simple message of the scripture is this, The word of God who was once in the heaven and is God (because God and His word are the same), came down to the Earth for redemption work of salvation.

The moment the Word entered Earth He took on another dimension; authority was given to Him, life was given to Him, even though He's God He didn't claim EQUALITY with God (NOTE: This was when the Word took on flesh), Called the Father 'My God' e.t.c the word no longer act like when he was in the heaven. That is, he was not fully acted as God on earth because when the Word was in heaven no-one can fully distinguish Him from the Father. In fact, that's why the whole Hebrew scripture keeps point to God as one.

So, we must learn when the Bible is talking about the Word of God who is fully God and when the Word became man.

All your points about Kingdom of the Father and that of Jesus Christ still based on the redemption work the Son yet to be completed.

That's why the blessed Apostle Paul can enlighten us in 1 Corinthians 15:28 that after the Messiah has subjected everything and Himself back to God then God will be all in all (God may be everything in everyone). This is when the redemption work of the word of God who took on flesh will finish, then the Word will fully become God back again.

removetheturban:
The Bible did not give any account containing that information. Therefore, we do not know when Jesus and the angels were created. The Bible clearly said that Jesus is the firstborn of all creation.

So how did God then birth Jesus Christ? I know you must change BORN to CREATE before you can answer it

Does the word BORN and CREATE have the same meaning?

Politicowizard:
To you guys that have issues with him, does it mean there is no verifiable office he operates. Just can't do business under such shady conditions.
To the lady claiming the dude was sick, to me, it's a pure fallacy. The guy in question has displayed his dubious character which is very clear. You guys should track him down and get your money.

Should you still be interested in getting your items from a reliable shipping company, @5.5 dollars/kg, with verifiable office at Ikeja, computer village, try nbc Sky logistics. They are very reliable and I have been importing through them. Cheers. For more info, reach me via denogconsultltd@yahoo.com

What is the problem with people in this country? You said you usually done your cargo through a channel and instead of you to furnish us with more reliable contact, you said we should contact you.

Are they not a company with probably website or company email?

Why should we contact you and not them directly?

ricy20:
Please mind your language I have no connection whatsoever with the guy in question I have done Business with him and it was successful three times so even if you were in his shoe I will talk on your behalf, I can't join you and throw stone's at him when he did nothing to me if you want followers pick them and go

Why something is telling me that you're the same person as Babatcago because this same dude you're trying to defend has been on Nairaland now not a month ago but till yesterday. In fact, his last seen on Nairaland was today 1:12pm and I do see his comment and advert on many threads this week.

So why are you defending him? In fact, for you to say his sick for month now makes you a liar.

tugrow:
Loi, benefit , if you can pay, pay yourself if you want us pay you let us know

Is this how you do your own business?

No customers relationship and slow responses.

What is wrong in telling me what involves when you guys paid and when I paid?

Petonis:
Yes I have and am still in business with them. Am recommending them because their operation has been smooth.

And who are they?

akeensbussy:
if the earth is flat, then the story of Noah ark and water to destroy the earth is fake. flat surface can't hold water.

Does the bottom of a bow that holds water flat or spherical? The truth is when flat earth model isn't like a sheet of paper.

http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html?m=1

Go through this link then you will understand what a flat earth model looks like. It doesn't mean you agree with them but just for understanding sake.

Petonis:
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have you transact business on this forum before? If yes! Can you link me to the thread?

Thanks

hakimi1974:
abeg o.p come and explain night and day on a flat earth, and movement of the oceans, seas and river. and you will explain why the moon, sun, stars, and other planets are round except planet earth.

First of all go through this link http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html?m=1

Read it, you don't need to agree with it but just to understand flat earth model.

CoolSmithz:
sir. You are wrong and i will gladly prove that to you, you said the earth is not spherical and there are no proofs. Well, there are proofs. 1. 3 poles of equal length 2. Ship visibility 3. Apparate sun rise and sunset 4. Lunar eclipse 5. Circum navigation of the earth. Argue and i will explain.

Apart from your first point others can also be experienced on a flat earth model.

About the Circumnavigation of a spherical earth, can you give us a proof of anyone who has ever circumnavigate NORTH to SOUTH? If no, then why?

For a Space Station to stay in its orbit, it must maintain its speed at which it moves. This speed usually reduced by molecules of air in space causing drag on the space station, scientists overcame this by boosting the Space Station with some mechanism.

Now, if earth is rotating at 1000mph, doesn't this same molecules of air causing drag on it?

How can earth maintain this speed for over 10billions years in the presence of air molecules?

If the speed of earth is actually reduced by the drag of air molecules, what is boosting its speed to maintain 1000mph?

Alot of questions need to be answered about heliocentric earth model that's why I stay neutral.

Vecto:
Humans don't preexist their birth. I was once a modalist and I can assure; I've studied all verses in the scripture which a trinitarian would use when trying to prove literal preexistence.

Figurative preexistence seems plausible judging by the number of times its used in the bible.

@bold - The truth is you know that scripture actually said Jesus preexisted His birth but in your beclouded evil mind, you decide to twist it to your own view of 'FIGURATIVE'

Note: I can see how you alluded to Trinitarian as the only one using scripture to prove the preexisting of Jesus, which is totally false. Jehovah witnesses who don't even believe Jesus is God actually know Jesus preexisted His birth.

futurism:
lmaooo... Bros, are u forking kidding me? Lwkmd

So with a the hi tech, nobody has taken photograph? Dude u are funny I swear! No let this disgrace follow u reach abroad ooo kai

Funny you, so you think it's all about hi-tech...

afonjabreed:
but no one has proven that,but ferdinand mangella THE SAILOR proved earth's sphericity by travelling round the world,if the earth is flat he would have fallen off an abrupt edge.but due to its sphericity he came back to the point he started.

If the world is flat,we will know where the earth starts from and where it ends

Just do Google Search about how flat earth was said to have been, then you'll know someone can sail through the earth without falling off.

What I read here show that majority of people aren't objective in their dealings.

At least a brief search about flat earth would have saved alot of people who are just ignorantly abusing Mike here.

Note: I'm not a flat earther but I understood their presumptuous which is totally different from how some people understand it.

LordReed:
Sorry to bust your bubble there are real photographs of the Earth from space.

Were you the one who took the picture from outer space?

futurism:
lol... so we should take this ur explanation against image of the earth from outside space? funny people!

Sorry to burst your bubble, no real image of earth by any institution, all what you see on net are just CGI Computer Generated Image.

Note: I'm not a flat earth supporter

Vecto:
His existence began on earth. Humans don't preexist their birth.

Since you don't know Jesus preexisted His earthly mission, then it shows the level you can go to twist the scripture including those one you're quoting.

Vecto:
I assume you have evidence showing he cast his glory aside? Otherwise this is just circular reasoning.

Was Jesus started to exist on earth or He existed in heaven before He came to earth?

The bible says Jesus was appointed heir of all things.
Flash news: If you're God no one appoints you heir of anything because you own it already. How can you be appointed heir to something you already have?
Appoint means you did not have it before. God has everything before time and space. You see this?
Ask yourself: how does the eternal God who owns everything gets appointed something from God? or from someone else?

Was Jesus appointed heir of anything while in heaven or only when He was on earth?

This is the problem you people have with the scripture, inability to distinguish when Bible is talking about The Word of God (Jesus) in heaven and His mission on earth which He achieved through Human nature.

As regards your last point there's no argument here at all. Jesus requested for the same glory which he received from the father to be given to the disciples as well.

Using your logic they must be Gods too.

This is how you people always twist the scripture.

Jesus didn't say He 'RECEIVED GLORY' but He 'HAD/SHARED GLORY' with the Father BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN

NOTE: This thing happened even before the WORLD began!

How can a being shared glory with God if the being isn't God?

Pataricatering:
they asked if Jesus was a representation or God himself ? You say he is not a representation but the real thing as his word Do you know the meaning of representation ? Na wa o ! You people have tied yourselves into a bind with meaningless scripture you will now be performing mental acrobatics to give the meaningless meaning !

I pray tell us the meaning of representation?

And you who didn't tie yourself to a bind with meaningless scripture which mental gymnastics understanding of the scripture are you performing?

BabatCargo:
We do both

Na wa ooo
The question is which one is more less expensive?

@babatcargo

I want a good to be shipped for me from China just 3.5kg

Which is more less expensive, you pay for me or me pay directly?

Thanks

[quote author= post=66284656]We learn everyday.
Wanna learn about this too.

I'm glad we don't have to accept 'Allah is God' on out signature before commenting this time.
We serve the same God I believe.[/quote]If you and Muslims are serving the same God, why don't you gladly accept the Islamic oath on their section?

DONMAYOR19:
They will try but their plan will never come to pass. ROMAN CATHOLIC TIL DEATH.

Your statement should have been "Follower of Christ till death" is it being a RC that will take you to heaven?

tugrow:
Are we paying for you? Or you are paying yourself?

That's why I seek advice from you.

Let me know the benefit of me paying or you paying and everything involved. So that can choose!

Thanks

duroc:
Hello sir, kindly hit up

What do you mean pls?

@tugrow
I need your response as quick as possible.

I want to order something from China and I have already gotten a manufacturer with everything concluded but I haven't done anything like overseas buying before.
Though, I met the manufacturer on Aliexpress and I'm satisfied with the items he wants to supply me.

•Now, can you help me with this items or I should link him with you?
•How much it will cost me to ship it down to Nigeria just 3.5kg?

Thanks

I need a reliable and trustworthy company/person that deals with shipping from China to Nigeria.

NOTE: Don't PM first until we reach agreement here before contact can be exchanged.

Tlontin:
Wouldn't mind if involved ooo

I based in Abuja and you?

Tlontin:
Nice write up and full of wisdom. Thanks boss but if you read again what I wrote up there, probably you wouldn't need to write all this, even though I read it keenly and learnt from this write up, I would need to disassemble what I wrote up this, if u read the part that I said construction contract are not something you would always get everytime, having said that sir one will need to sustain himself when there's no work available.bringing in new innovations deals with money sir, and person wey chop na him idea fit stay for him belle. Read again sir and share if u have any other ideas.
N.B what you said up there is an eye opener for me though. I'm gonna work on it. God bless

I read your write up and I understood it.
I'm also an Engineer that's why I could grab your point easily.

Innovation deals with ideas FIRST not money! Besides, your 500k can start any idea and still sustain you.

I'm working on a particular material in construction now, which can replace modular building and less cost.

Tlontin:
Hello friends, so I just completed a project and was able to save a sum of 500,000 naira. Due to the nature of my profession, you can't tell when another contract would come by.
My question is what business can I start with 500,000 naira that will guarantee me an income of 40k monthly.thanks in advance

N.B: In as much as ideas cant be given for free, it's time to help a brother with all sincerity. No scam ideas, no ebooks, I don't want bring your money let us trade with it for you. If 40k is too much s profit on 500,000. I could stil cope with something below.

What I first noticed is the income you wanted to start generating even when you don't know the business to venture into, which isn't a good idea for a start up business.

I guess you're an Engineer, what happened to doing a research on how to replace or cost reduction of construction materials?

Somebody started hollow sand-crete block and people accepted it, what if you come up with an idea that can replace hollow sand-crete block?

Why did you study engineering if you can't use it to effect change in society?

My brother, keep your money for a while and start to think about idea you can initiate in your field.

Stop looking for quick money, idea rules the world.

Maximus85:
Guys, I don't want to waste my precious time teaching those that won't implement what is being taught. I've sent over 20 emails to those that dropped their email. I intentionally kept quiet to see those that will send me mails asking why the class has not started and I have gotten not even one mail. This is just to show that when something is free, Nigerians hardly ever take it seriously.

Importation from China to Lagos is too easy a process to hide. Wetin dey there?

And to that crypto fool talking trash... I reserve my comment on you.

That's Nigerians for you
How can one know real company in China?
emus4lifeisreal@gmail.com

Biglittlelois:
Well i'm not married yet but if he passes 80% of my checklist, anything that comes after that will be taken with levity

And on what standard do you base your checklist, God or you?