₦airaland Forum

Kenezi:
The Indians who still have the racist caste system to this day? Their religion has never done them any good, just like human sacrifice never did Nigeria any good, but you can have the freedom to burn cash as protection from bullets if you want.

I think it's more to do with upholding culture, and religion is a large part of culture, and in that way the Indian Hindu's are unified and their culture is ensured through their religion. Indians have problems with prejudice, but their culture is unique and authentic, this makes it one of the most recognisable cultures in the world.

When I listed those negative aspects of Igbo spirituality, it was just a reminder that it wasn't perfect and many aspects of it (slave trading and out castes) led to the destruction of society. This doesn't change the advantages and power of having your own religion, which you can use to spread your culture, and therefore influence onto the world. . . . .

Onitsha has a long way to go, sure growth is nice, but let's not rejoice over the creation of another Lagos. First they have to change the stupǐd British spelling.

The cities land size is quite small so neighbouring towns may have to be incorporated in the near future.

And concerning the census, Onitsha is 'officially' (by Nigeria) placed with an estimated population of around 500,000, while Kano's population is 'estimated' at 3 million. Calling the census 'fake' is a redundant understatement.

It seems to have improved a lot now.

EzeUche22:
What was wrong with our traditional religions?

Outcasts, twin killing, blaming illnesses on "Ogbanje", human sacrifice and slavery by the "gods", apart from that nothing wrong. . . . . . . .

sjeezy8:
NAW he.ll no north is more than that.

All right: Yoruba 20%> Nort 50%  

Yoruba 40% > Igbo 30%> Edo 10%> Cross River etc. 10% > 'Nort' 10%

becomrich3:
80% of Igbo etc children born in lagos DO NOT speak yorubas as thier first languages. compare than to

100% of Uhrobo, isoko ,edo etc children born in lagos WHO SPEAK yorubas as thier first languages.

Like I asked before, how many speak Igbo?

becomrich3:
Nchara why have the Igbo refuse to  assimilate with Lagos. I have a friend, who was born in Lagos. Never been to Igboland, but does not speak yoruba.

Does he speak Igbo? Or even 'pidgin'.

You're related to Benin [size=4pt]go![/size]

becomrich3:
It is hard for you to find an Uhrobo man or isoko or edo man who has lived in Lagos for 20 years and does not speak yoruba. But you would find many igbos who do not. They refuse to assimilate with the society.

WAAATTTT!! Every Igbo entertainer/musician from Lagos performs in Yoruba.

So let me understand: The competition now is for the most tolerant nation, yet none of you on this thread are tolerant?

A colour hates Nigerians?

Around 35% of Lagos would be of Igbo descent

Becomrich are you Yoruba?

MaziUche0:
I have Aro family members that have resided in Cameroon for over 200 years. I am pretty sure Ibibios can be found in Cameroon as well. Ejagham is an interesting language though. I can understand parts of it, like Ibibios know God as Abasi while in Ejagham, it is known as Obasi.

The similarities of the languages cannot be understated. Just like Igbo and Ekpeye.

I meant native as in where they are established, not colonies, otherwise national boundaries would not be an issue. I'm sure all those Cross River language are very similar, the similarity probably stretches well into Cameroon.

I don't know why Hurricane Katrina photos and pictures of abandoned American neighbourhoods makes some Nigerians really happy and excited, when with just a few clicks on the computer keyboard somebody can break their heart with one picture. And for the notion that this isn't a comparison to Nigeria or a boost up, that is a very big coincidence considering that this is a Nigerian website with a foreign affairs and tourism section, yet this thread was posted in the Nigerian politics section. Hmm, very strange coincidence.

Here's the thing: If some British guy didn't carve out Obudu for you, you wouldn't have it, therefore if you lose it, who cares? End of.

Katsumoto:
Each group has its culture and there should be tolerance. I love my culture and I expect others to love theirs as well. That I love mine does not mean that you have to let go of any part of yours. I can celebrate my culture and celebrate yours with you. Diversity increases lives.

Yeah, but you talked about the two cultures joining. You don't have to be joined together to respect each other, plus it's a bit pretentious (not you). Just 'tolerate' each other and don't do anything/say anything to others that you would not like to receive. No one is going on a cultural suicide mission any time soon unless some dictator comes and rearranges people's homes. Nigeria will come an go, Nigerians come and go, Yoruba and Igbo will still be Yoruba and Igbo forever and have been for more than 2000 years.

Efik and Ibibio don't have native lands in Cameroon, it is the Ekoi and other smaller groups, but anyway they're nearly all the same.

MaziUche0:
I see a day when the Igbo and the Yoruba will form one single group just like the Hausa-Fulani. It will be like the Igbo-Yoruba.

I don't see it, or maybe you're experimenting. Yoruba people hold their culture more dearly than any other in Nigeria and will not, and cannot, let go of or compromise their culture. There's more chance of the Yoruba people joining the Republic of Benin.

Mbeki:
no city is slum free check this out!


http://exiledonline.com/bailed-out-aig-forcing-poor-to-choose-between-running-water-and-food/

The picture is a warning of what the United States may become. The flag is clearly photoshoped and no building in the United States that is inhabited looks like the one in the background, they are usually waiting for demolition just like the second picture you posted. Anyway, what does this have to do with anything?

The first picture is Mumbai or some other tropical city. Detroit wishes it has those skyscrapers and that many people willing to slum there. The last picture posted on this thread so far is photoshop's work.

I love how you nicely cut out Umunede, one of the biggest towns in Igbo West. Oh and Akwukwu Igbo, and Enugu, and Owere.

tensor777:
On the other hand talking about creating mono-ethnic fiefdoms throughout Africa is just retrogressive and reactionary and reminds me of Adolf Hitler and his doomed Lebensraum policy.

I guess the creation of Kosovo, the Scottish parliament, the Welsh parliament, the dissolution of Yugoslavia, the Southern Sudan referendum and the Irish nationalists also remind you of Adolf Hitler, right? Please tell me if they do and also tell me how they have been influenced by the same man.

By the way, how does the Third Reich compare to a struggle for self determination? Who on this thread planned to take over the world and establish a racial hierarchy, or are we just pulling out any word to cause fear? Lebensraum, did you even read up on the plan and did you think hard before seriously insulting someone by comparing them to Hitler?

The dissolution of these African countries has already begun with Sudan. You’re scared of change like many other African people, but it will happen regardless of your attitude. No one is going to wait for you in a country that over looks the murder of 500 of its citizens, and nobody will wait for you when these countries finally reach their planned destination, which is civil war. People are tired and the amount of calls for a break up would never be heard in a secure country that will supposedly be ‘one forever’. Get ready because the ‘reich’ is coming.

ChinenyeN:
Thank you, ezeagu.

They (whoever they are) should really survey each Igbo lect individually and come up with comprehensive dictionaries like the one above.

Mmm. I think the author is called Kay Williamson. Yeah, you'll just have to work out what the words would be in your own Igbo.

It's not the practice any more, now they are comparing and contrasting on "Potoshop". . . . . .

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rethink:
I am taking an interlude

AFRICANS DONT LACK IMAGINATION PLEASE PULL YOUR NECK OUT OF YOUR backside BECAUSE YOU JUST CONTRADICTED YOURSELF

THE SAME BLOOD HUNGRY SCHNAPP MIRROR CHASING TRADITIONAL RULERS THAT SUPPORTED THE ARTIST OF THOSE ERA TURNED AGAINST AND SOLD A WHOLE GENERATION OF ARTIST TO SLAVE TRADERS THOSE ARE THE SAME ONES SAYING WE SHOULD SELF DETERMINATE?

Could you please explain your point, the bold letters does nothing for a clearer explanation.

So those this mean Nigerian has developed over night?

This topic, hmm.

Unfortunately for Africa, whenever someone brings up this topic they are called a selfish "tribalist". I remember posting maps of what ethnic countries carved out of Nigeria would look like, a poster actually equated the countries on the map to "concentration camps".

One of the problems is that African's lack imagination, better yet, the African imagination has been destroyed. A very good example of this is in the arts, look at the ancient Benin bronzes and compare them to the brass objects the people of Benin City make today. You may all know the reason for this demoralisation and loss of imagination. [size=5pt]Colonisation of the mind, body and worst of all, spirit.[/size]

There are many who want their own country where they have a national culture, but they're too scared to say it because it's not a popular aspiration. What can a Nigerian say is uniquely 'Nigerian', that is a unique characteristic that is national and not unique to only one culture in a section of the country? Jellof rice? No! Music? No, unless Hip-hop and ragga was created in Nigeria. Clothing? No! No national dress, as much as people try and push lace, different regions wear them differently. Language? No! I know what you may be asking, what about 'pigeon'? Pigeon is Sierra Leonean, yes it has Nigerian 'bits' in it, but those bits largely came from ex-slaves. Art? Architecture? Dance? Climate? Even common looks? All no! In Biafra they all had Ekpe, or a derivative, as a unifying factor like the Free Masons, they had art as a unifying factor, the 'Biafrans' all wore 'George', the 'Biafrans' all sang High life, the 'Biafrans' were intermixed and sometimes you couldn't tell where an ethnic boundary stopped or started because of the similarity yet diversity inside the groups themselves, the 'Biafrans' even before Biafra gelled together overseas during slavery, the 'Biafrans' had similar spirituality, the 'Biafrans' mostly spoke one language and the people who the dominant language was native to spoke the other Biafran languages a lot of the time, the 'Biafrans' knew in depth knowledge about each other's cultures and customs, the 'Biafrans' were even said to have a common descent.

I'm sorry I was going off on my "selfish tribalist" rant.

The fact is, if Nigeria was a European country, it would not exist. The popular reply to anyone with the opinion like that of this thread is "it is our leaders", which makes me wonder what juju were the leaders of Benin sworn under to create a city that is more than ten times sophisticated and uniquely Edo than the current Benin City. Another popular opinion now is to destroy our cultures that are thousands of years old to make way for a new 'Nigerian' identity, I say good luck to all of you.

Oh, and I forgot. With an official African language, people can ask you if you speak _____*insert the term for the countries inhabitants*_______ and you can give them an answer that is not an essay on the complexity of colonial made countries. With that, there will also be more exposure to the language because people will see it as important. With the current situation in Nigeria, when someone asks you what language you speak you will say Igbo, or if they ask you if you speak Nigerian you'll correct them to Igbo, and also tell them that there are other Nigerian languages, because of this people will feel Igbo is an unimportant secondary language that only a section of the country understands and speaks. . . . . oh, wait, it is. . . . . . . . .

For example, if someone says they speak Bakongo, but there are other languages in the DRC, you probably won't pay any attention to the language because you'll feel it would be a waste to spend time learning an 'unimportant' language, but if someone tells you that they speak Twi and it is the official language of Ghana (I know it isn't) you'll be more interested.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=482648.msg6427466#msg6427466 date=1279746321]amala meeting? [/quote] Follow the accents: ámá - àlà but you have to say it without a pause.

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No language will be 'global' forever, just look at how only one country has Latin as an official language, and the country isn't even that much of a country in practice.

Please, some people should remember countries like Japan and China where they have their indigenous languages as official and people there rarely speak English, yet their people 'rule' (after Nigerians) in US schools. People are talking about removing the Latin script self, talk less of English as the official language.

I agree that if Nigeria was split into its 'natural' cultural areas, to make the dominant language there official will greatly maintain the language. Official as in court (of course all these can be translated) and in swearing in of a president/prime minister, constitution, government owned channel, replacing the English languages prominence in schools with Igbo and making English secondary, etc.

Let's try and remember that the English language will not fly out of someone's head in a free, 'connected' country even if every aspect of the country was in a different language, because at the end of the day there's still movies, music, the internet (which, when used technically, can only be used in American English), social networks, etc.